Talk:Egg Harbor City

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Should this article be called Egg Harbour rather than Egg Harbor City? Normally the word City is used to distinguish a city from a (much larger or different) region of the same name. Even then it appears in lower case and only as a disambiguator i.e. (city). I can only think of Atlantic City where the word city is part of the official name. The usage City of + Egg Harbor in the article seems to indicate the most common English name does not have City attached. Moving the page would seem appropriate. Any thoughts? - (WT-en) Huttite 09:01, 28 May 2005 (EDT)

I could be wrong, but it seems from the phrasing in the article that the place is always known as "Egg Harbor City" with the word "City" included. If you do a google search for "Egg Harbor City" you get over 600,000 links in which the name is always stated that way. Doing a search for "Egg Harbor New Jersey" mostly returns links about the nearby "Little Egg Harbor Township" which is a different place. -- (WT-en) Mark 11:54, 28 May 2005 (EDT)

Interesting! My google search for Egg Harbor turns up Township of Egg Harbor in Atlantic county, Township of Little Egg Harbor in Ocean county, Great Egg Harbour River in Pinelands National Reserve and Egg Harbor in Door County, Wisconsin, all in the first 10 entries. There is even an Egg Harbor restaurant chain that doesn't seem to be anywhere near any place called Egg Harbor, in Illinois! Obviously Egg Harbor needs to be a disambiguation page, but which Egg Harbor is this article refering to? But is it the Township of Egg Harbor in Atlantic county? A further search of Google shows is there another City of Egg Harbor in Atlantic county, New Jersey as well! And if this is the case, the Township of or City of appears to be very fluid as it can go either side of the placename, indicating that the place is normally called Egg Harbor and the City or Township identifies the nature of the community, or the community administration, rather than the destination itself. Perhaps the most telling is this item [[1]] that refers to all the municipalities in Atlantic county as City of or Township of + Placename. Only Atlantic City is called the City of Atlantic City; hence my question of the use of City in the place name. However, given there are at least two other places, with one in the same county, both called Egg Harbor, and this place uses Egg Harbor City in its crest, I can tolerate the article retaining the City in the name, to avoid confusion, though I remain unconvinced that it should be a general rule rather than a specific exception in this case. The alternative is to disambiguate as (city, Atlantic county, New Jersey) from (township, Atlantic county, New Jersey), which is probably more confusing and verbose! -- (WT-en) Huttite 19:11, 28 May 2005 (EDT)

My understanding is that this fits perfectly with the Most common english name rule. Interestingly enough there are a lot of places in the U.S. in which the most commonly used name for the place includes the word "City", several of them in New Jersey: Atlantic City is absolutely positively always called that, with the word "City" included. If we were to name our article otherwise nobody would find it. There's also a Jersey City for which the same thing is true. Salt Lake City, Kansas City, Daly City (California). There's also a chain of amusment parks in the southern U.S. called "Silver Dollar City" but I don't know if any of them warrent articles as I don't know if you sleep there.

From time to time people get confused about the most common english name rule, seeming to think that we prefer official names. Sometimes the official name for places with "City" as a part of the most common name will do something different with the word "City", but this is a site for travellers, not for local officials, so I prefer that we stick to the most common rule.

By the way, I think New York City is actually the most common use of that one as well. -- (WT-en) Mark 14:00, 29 May 2005 (EDT)

Yeah, I think we're really drifting towards consensus on that one. --(WT-en) Evan 20:01, 29 May 2005 (EDT)