Talk:Jerusalem/Archive

I tried the Strudel link and was immediately redirected to zuvio.com which showed a horizontal barberpole and claimed it was loading strudel-bar.com but it just kept spinning the barberpole. Both zuvio.com and strudel-bar.com are registered to an address in Porter Ranch, California. Neither site appears to be in Israel; one is in Houston, Texas, and the other I couldn't quite reach. What's going on? -(WT-en) phma 11:50, 16 Jun 2004 (EDT)

Protection

About once a month I accidentally protect a page. This month's was Talk:Jerusalem. It was unprotected in about a minute, but.

Also, I MoS'd the Strudel listing and took out the bad URL. --(WT-en) Evan 14:40, 16 Jun 2004 (EDT)

Spiritual home

Regarding the recent edit and revision: I would argue also as to whether Jerusalem would be considered the spiritual home of Christianity either. "Birthplace" is also arguable. It is certainly historically significant to Christianity, but as a Christian, I do not consider Jersusalem to be my spiritual home. Wikipedia describes it as of key importance to both Christianity and Islam. Others thoughts? -- (WT-en) Brendio 16:03, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)

I think it could be downgraded for Christianity, and birthplace is more accurate than home. Plunge forward. -- (WT-en) Colin 16:06, 18 Jan 2006 (EST)

IsIn

I made Jerusalem isIn both the Palestinian Territories and Israel, although I think that's probably stretching things a bit on the Palestinian side. East Jerusalem is, according to some, part of the Palestinian Territories, and is recognized by some governments as such. That said, it remains under the control of Israel and visitors to the city will deal exclusively with the Israeli government, and almost definitely arrive from within Israel.

Unless there is some practical information that will benefit the traveller, I prefer we be fair, call a spade a spade, and not mess around with the breadcrumb menu. --(WT-en) Evan 20:20, 26 February 2006 (EST)

Are we talking about the colonial traveler who sees the locals as sub-human or are we talking about the 21st century traveler who wants to understand the reality of people's lives on the ground and see more than ruins and hotels? Practically speaking all Palestinians consider Jerusalem their capital. It is Israel who prevents them from being there. The reality on the ground is home-demolitions and an Israeli plan to shift the demographic reality on the ground - Ilan Pappe (Israeli historian) writes about this in his 2006 book, "The Ethnic Cleansing of Palestine". When you set foot on the ground at the airport in Tel Aviv or any of the land borders, you are making a political statement. Israelis take each visit of a foreigner as an endorsement for their policies. You cannot avoid it, even if you sit on the beach for 2 weeks. Practical information that will benefit the traveler must include the facts of Israel's illegal annexation of East Jerusalem for the traveler who is willing to look and to facilitate their opportunities to see both sides of the divide. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Henryr (talk • contribs)

We need to face reality. Abkhazia is according to internal law part of Georgia but it has it's own visa regime that travellers will face at the border. Please see e.g Talk:Abkhazia#isIn for past discussion on that. I think the Palestine article should state East Jerusalem as capital but it should be noted that it is under Israeli control and standards. If violations take place you can state them in the understand section in a fair way. (WT-en) jan 05:11, 27 September 2010 (EDT)

King David Hotel

I don't know Jerusalem, but wonder if this hotel should be include in Grand old hotels. (WT-en) Pashley 07:43, 16 April 2006 (EDT)

Kinda borderline -- it's was opened "only" 1931, but it has seen more than its fair share of history since then. I'd pip for the American Colony Hotel to be included first though (and I've just added it there). (WT-en) Jpatokal 07:49, 16 April 2006 (EDT)

Jerusalem/Chareidi

Discussion from Project:Votes for deletion:

• Not an officially recognised district of the city, but rather one drawn by the original contributor, presumably on religious and cultural grounds. Recommend deletion and transfer of content into appropriate official districts. Much of the content belongs within a relevant "Understand" section. (WT-en) Paul James Cowie 16:56, 23 October 2006 (EDT)
• It doesn't need to be officially recognised to be useful to travellers. I don't know Jerusalem. Is this more useful than official names? (WT-en) Pashley 19:23, 23 October 2006 (EDT)
  • The name "Mea Shearim" [1] is overwhelmingly more common for the area. That said, it's not really a destination in the Wikivoyage sense, because the Haredi (the more common spelling of "Chareidi") locals are not keen at all on tourists traipsing around and there are no places to stay. (WT-en) Jpatokal 21:40, 23 October 2006 (EDT)
• How about redirecting to Jerusalem, and then this conversation can continue on Talk:Jerusalem/Chareidi. -- (WT-en) Ryan 16:07, 4 November 2006 (EST)
  • Sounds good. This appears to be more of a question where to redirect than whether to delete or not... (WT-en) Maj 12:47, 5 November 2006 (EST)

List of religious congregations in Jerusalem?

Jerusalem is a city of religion. Therefore, it would be nice to have a list of congregations in town. 204.52.215.107 12:01, 14 February 2007 (EST)

No use for and no way of creating such a thing for the Jewish side, since that's just not how Jewish Jerusalem works. --89.138.34.239 18:27, 30 April 2007 (EDT)

Virtual Tour

• 3Disrael Take a virtual visit to Jerusalem. See the Kotel, Supreme Court, Church of Mary Magdalene and more all Full Screen and no plug in needed.

I removed this from the page. While someone planning a trip to Jerusalem/Israel may find it useful, it's not a destination. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 11:12, 11 May 2009 (EDT)

Why was this removed from the eat section?

NAURA, IN THE ABU GOSH NEARBY; ONE OF THE BEST HUMOOS EVER. MIDLLE EAST FOOD. — (WT-en) Ravikiran 10:26, 18 August 2009 (EDT)

All caps, improper formatting, touting. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 11:19, 18 August 2009 (EDT)

Oh.. never mind. I confused your edit with the edits of 62.90.143.66 who is obviously a business owner. So I thought that he was removing a competitor. — (WT-en) Ravikiran 12:52, 18 August 2009 (EDT)

No worries - sorry for the somewhat curt response, but you caught me before I'd had my morning coffee :) -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 02:11, 19 August 2009 (EDT)

Talpiot writeup

Talpiot is a neighborhood of Jerusalem located on Jerusalem's southern side. Talpiot is characterized by an industrial section as well as a residential section. It borders the neighborhoods of Baka and Arnona. The ancient road known as Derech Hevron passes through Talpiot and links the biblical cities of Jerusalem and Hebron. Also a collouial feature of Talpiot is a street intersection known to locals as "Bank Junction" (known as such due to a number of banks that grace its corners).

Old Friend Rock Bar

hello,

Old Friend Rock Bar was closed more then a year ago. (used to be a regular back when it was open) Im not a regular to this site and I don't want to delete stuff for fear of breaking some rule. a bar called "Blaze" was opened by one of the old friend's bartenders and most of the customers moved on there. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 85.65.24.230 (talk • contribs)

I've removed the closed listing. In the future feel free to plunge forward and make any changes you feel are necessary. The Project:Quick contribution guide has some tips for getting started. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 13:26, 18 July 2010 (EDT)

Hi - I'm new here. I used this site to plan my vacation on Greece and decided to contribute some details about my wonderful city. Hope I did not made too many mistakes fixing the "drink" section (Basically deleting all the places that have been closed for years). I have a question about the districts. I lived in Jerusalem for years and i believe that, although the old city or east Jerusalem need separate pages, west Jerusalem is the city center where most restaurants, bars and hotels are and taking it out of Jerusalem main page will be confusing to the reader. anyone agrees? —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Drorvalt (talk • contribs)

That should not be a problem. The main page could add a paragraph at the top of the Drink section explaining that most bars are in West Jerusalem, along with whatever other general city-wide information might be useful to visitors, and then all the listings can (and ideally should!) be moved to their appropriate districts. That way every establishment is still sorted out nicely, but it makes it obvious from the top page where to look for the nightlife. — (WT-en) D. Guillaime 22:02, 22 June 2011 (EDT)

Travel

The travel information on this page is a real mess. There is information included 2 or three times and some left out. Is there a standard way to organise it? —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Henryr (talk • contribs)

Political Edits

Three elements of the article that were added have been removed - including: Shu'fat refugee camp, Lufta destroyed village and Qalandia checkpoint. Could Jc8136 provide a reason? Also referring to the context on the negotiations that was added on the See section, can you provide a clear reason not to include such information. It is pertinent to the inclusion of items that are not simply nice to look at and excluding it is just as political as including it. If there is a policy against this, who decides the policy and where is the discussion on this? (WT-en) Henryr 03:15, 26 September 2010 (EDT)

As any of the talk pages for this region show, we have ongoing battles between those with strong viewpoints on either side of this issue who show up for periods of hours, days or weeks and add, remove or change information to either "clarify" or "provide additional detail" about the conflict. The ensuing edit wars waste a lot of time that could be spent writing travel guides, hence the "stick to the bare minimum necessary" policy outlined in Project:Be fair#Political disputes. I suspect Jc8136 was merely trying to keep those edits you made that were most relevant to travel, but given that you are also trying to highlight one side of a conflict that Wikivoyage does not want to take sides on his edits were also aimed at sticking to our "bare minimum necessary" guidelines.

Many regular editors here have strong feelings on this issue, but the important thing to keep in mind is that the goal of the site is to write a travel guide, and the consensus has thus been that the best way to achieve that when politics come into play is state the bare minimum. In this particular case, edits that stray from that guidance are likely to be trimmed and removed to avoid the endless edit wars we have seen in the past. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 12:17, 26 September 2010 (EDT)

Additionally, I've removed the new districts (for now) as I think the areas mentioned should be encompassed in the existing districts. If that's not the case, and if the areas are within the confines of Jerusalem (and not separate villages), we should probably discuss the districts for this article to figure out what belongs where. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 12:29, 26 September 2010 (EDT)