Talk:Pakistani students coming to Finland

VfD discussion

Not sure any explanation is required. Speedy I think. Apart from anything else it has been set up as a disambiguation page. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 21:14, 11 October 2009 (EDT)

I do not think it can be speedied. There is at least one valid travel topic that is very close to this. Perhaps "Foreign students in Europe" or "Studying abroad"? I'm not sure of the exact right title or scope. but studying — especially students from "developing" countries going to "developed" countries — is a huge reason for travel. Better to re-name and generalise the article than to scrap it. Some of the advice here, like get a driver's license at home because converting it is cheaper than getting one in the host country, can be useful and is not obvious. (WT-en) Pashley 22:14, 11 October 2009 (EDT)

I'd say it should be changed to Studying in Finland. "Foreign students in Europe" is likely to be too broad a topic, and the current title is too narrow. I certainly don't think there are enough differences to warrant having a separate topic each for Turkish students coming to Finland, Jordanian students coming to Finland, Iranian students coming to..., and every other country... (WT-en) Texugo 22:39, 11 October 2009 (EDT)

Yes, but then do we get Studying in Finland, Studying in Germany, Studying in France, Studying in the UK, ... ? (WT-en) Pashley 23:04, 11 October 2009 (EDT)

Studying in Finland makes sense. Anything more specific than that then a can of worms is well and truly opened with thousands of permutations. Also, I must say that it had not occurred to me that students formally moving overseas to study would look to Wikivoyage for logistical advice; hence my suggestion for speedy. There are surely far more appropriate places? Do we really think that students will use Wikivoyage as a source of such advice?--(WT-en) Burmesedays 23:06, 11 October 2009 (EDT)

Business travel and studying overseas (all those Learn sections) are well-established reasons to use Wikivoyage. I agree that the original article is kinda ridiculous, but wouldn't oppose a Studying in Finland article. (WT-en) Jpatokal 00:52, 12 October 2009 (EDT)

We might, Pashley, if there is information to impart that would not fit comfortably into a Learn section. (WT-en) LtPowers 09:01, 12 October 2009 (EDT)

Rewrite is needed to fit the Studying in Finland proposal. The current article is not really helpful and more a list of commonplaces. I suggest we redirect first and then see how the article develops. (WT-en) jan 09:15, 12 October 2009 (EDT)

I'd prefer a single Studying abroad article with the suggestion of looking at the "Learn" section of destination articles. We don't have "Working in Finland", Working in Thailand", etc., just Working abroad and the Work sections of destinations. I think the same applies here. (WT-en) Pashley 01:19, 13 October 2009 (EDT)

How about starting things off with a Studying abroad article, and letting it expand from there? The original looks like it may have been written by a Pakistani student now in Finland, who found these things out the hard way and wants to help. This is good in principle, unless Wikivoyage is going to limit the scope of its content to exclude this sort of information. If there is not an issue of space, why not provide this service? Those hints look moderately useful to someone with no travelling experience planning to go to a very different climate and culture. The format will probably have to differ from the norm to make sense, but as a possibility, consider a main article Studying abroad, with sub-articles for region specific hints like Studying abroad/Pakistani in Finland if/when there is enough content to justify the split. (WT-en) Pbsouthwood 02:24, 13 October 2009 (EDT)

• Merge and redirect to Studying abroad (see above) (WT-en) Pbsouthwood 02:24, 13 October 2009 (EDT)

I like the idea of starting off with a Study Abroad article and splitting as it expands. I think that's much more reasonable than beginning with a random Studying abroad in Finland article that will be likely to fall into obscurity, since there really isn't any place right now to link to it. It would just be a floater. Having an established Study Abroad page would provide a base for creating more specific articles relating to study abroad. If the information here is decent information, perhaps it could be moved to the the Talk Page of the study abroad article once it is created. That way we wouldn't lose content. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 02:58, 13 October 2009 (EDT)

Only problem is, I'm not sure there's all that much to say about studying abroad in general? The Pakistani guy studying in Finland is going to be facing a very different set of hurdles from the Finnish guy studying in Japan... (WT-en) Jpatokal 06:24, 13 October 2009 (EDT)

• Result: Tag for merge to Studying abroad. (WT-en) LtPowers 15:49, 7 March 2010 (EST)