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In a part of the world that's been curiously neglected by our DotMs, and a well-constructed, if comparatively terse, article that has been featured as a CotW. Not clear when the best time would be; Wikipedia describes the climate of Baku as "hot and humid in the summer, cool and wet in the winter." That seems to leave spring and fall; might this be an option for November? -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 10:02, 7 June 2007 (EDT)

I'd love to see this get featured, but maybe when a few of the other cities in Azerbaijan are more complete, especially the ones in the Get out section - currently Sheki is the only one in the list that is at a reasonable level. Secondly, is Baku not more of an OtBP destination rather than a DotM??? -- (WT-en) Tim (writeme!) 06:43, 13 June 2007 (EDT)
Fair point about other cities, but the largest city and national capital of a reasonable-sized, strategically-placed country, with a city population of 2,000,000 or so, doesn't really seem OtBP to me. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 12:25, 13 June 2007 (EDT)
Hmmm maybe, but I personally consider Azerbaijan off the beaten path as it is most definitely off the path trodden by your average traveller... -- (WT-en) Tim (writeme!) 12:37, 13 June 2007 (EDT)
Being OtBP is a relative question — the next one scheduled has a population of 6.2 million, but (aside from us obsessive travelers) nobody's ever heard of it! (WT-en) Jpatokal 13:15, 13 June 2007 (EDT)
Good article. I'd support it for OtBP given the region's obscurity as a travel destination, though I'd like to see some verbiage to accompany at least some of the MoS-licious data about what I can expect to find at the listed bars, cafes and restaurants. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 13:44, 13 June 2007 (EDT)
  • My philosophy about determining whether or not a place is an OtBP destination includes the question – how easy is it to get into the place? Lufthansa has three flights a week from FRA, British Airways appears to have daily flights from London, however, a round trip flight seems to cost $1,400+. Plus, visitors need a visa to enter Azerbaijan. It's possible for travelers to get a visa at the Baku airport, however, you'll need to get a visa before your arrival if you intend to cross the border in another way. The mere logistics of planning a trip to Azerbaijan (let alone Baku) is daunting enough to say it's not a DoTM candidate. Even if someone suggested this as a OtBP candidate I could not support its candidacy because it doesn't meet MoS (even generally). Specifically, the problems are not all listings have addresses, or at the very least directions. Plus, there are some listings with absolutely no descriptions, which doesn't help me and I absolutely need information that will help my stay. Until then, I do not support. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 13:52, 13 June 2007 (EDT)
Would support for OtBP after some clean up. There is still too much use of second person language and a lack of addresses - almost there...(WT-en) WindHorse 12:10, 14 June 2007 (EDT)
Could ya'll let us know what needs to be changed to make the Baku and other Azerbaijan pages ready for OtBP nominations? I want to make it as good of a page as possible. Thanks! (WT-en) Cupcakecommander 08:39, 18 June 2007 (EDT)
Sure, for a city of two million I'm flabbergasted that there are so few activities and sites for visitors to visit. Even Cincinnati, a city of 300,000+ has more activities and sites for travelers to visit than what's currently listed in the Baku guide. I'd be stunned if there wasn't far more to tell our readers about. I'm also having a big problem with the "Get in" info. Under the "Ferry section" it lists Russia and Iran, but doesn't elaborate on how to get from Iran/Russia to Baku. Also, there needs to be more descriptions of restaurants, hotels, activities, and sights. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 17:05, 18 June 2007 (EDT)

Good article for a continent we haven't featured much. Not sure of the best time to visit. -- (WT-en) DanielC 17:34, 25 April 2007 (EDT)

  • I'd like to see the non-listing aspect of this article fleshed out a bit more first. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 17:52, 25 April 2007 (EDT)
  • Good, but not good enough. Eat and Sleep listings need prices, Sleep should also be split into Bud/Mid/Spl. Drink section needs a little more info. (WT-en) Jpatokal 18:33, 25 April 2007 (EDT)
  • Paarl is a major tourist destination and definitely not off the beaten path. A large number of tourist than visit Cape Town also visit Paarl and the surrounding vineyards. If featured it should be under Destination of the month rather than Off the beaten path. It is however a a bit of a horrible article consisting of little more than listings. As one of the oldest towns in South Africa, situated in a beautiful location it really should include some prose to describe the history and the area. As it stands now it definitely does not inspire anyone to visit. --(WT-en) NJR_ZA 01:34, 26 November 2007 (EST)

Was nominated a while back, but put in the slush pile with a few objections. I have made the required changes to it and figured it could go back onto the list. We definately shouldn't put this as the dotm outside of the summer... it rains alot in Ireland. The article could do with a few more pictures, but it is more or less ready as it is. For previous objections, see why Belfast got slushed. (WT-en) Tim 11:34, 14 August 2006 (EDT)

  • Support, with reservations; "Eat" and "Sleep" are still pretty thin for a major destination. The rest of the article is in good enough shape, and these two sections at least have some entries that would help a traveler, but improvements would still be appropriate. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 08:48, 15 August 2006 (EDT) I withdraw my support. There are a number of MoS issues, and some "tout" problems have started to appear. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 11:51, 28 October 2006 (EDT)

It's an interesting city and would be perfect for spring 2007. It may need some more content for the districts but more or less it's complete. (WT-en) Jan 05:20, 24 July 2006 (EDT)

  • Support, but alot of the info needs to be filtered down to the districts, with links to it from Berlin. (WT-en) Tim 11:39, 14 August 2006 (EDT)
I started a little to bring it into the boroughs but I guess that maybe we creat some sites like Berlin nightlife because it is much more helpful than break too many things in the boroughs. (WT-en) Jc8136 05:30, 15 August 2006 (EDT)
  • Support. (WT-en) Kingjeff 22:05, 14 September 2006 (EDT)
  • Contentwise it's there, but this is going to need quite a lot of work to bring it back inline with the Manual of Style... (WT-en) Jpatokal 00:32, 1 February 2007 (EST)
  • I think that it needs quite a lot of work to put the info into good district articles. I'll try look for an alternative -- (WT-en) DanielC 16:37, 2 February 2007 (EST)
  • Oppose, as long as those editorial exhortations to move content to district articles are there. If the job isn't done by the middle of the month, then this needs to get removed from the queue. — (WT-en) Ravikiran 13:12, 5 February 2007 (EST)
  • Do not support. Just too much work remains to be done, as has been true for quite a while. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 11:13, 6 February 2007 (EST)

The UK's second city, shopping mecca and apparently more miles of canal than Venice! It's a comprehensive article and there are good maps. Could do with a bit of an MoS finetune and some more photos, but the core material is there. I would suggest that the summer months would be the best time to visit the city (this is due to the obvious issue with the good old English weather in every other season) -- (WT-en) Tim 06:12, 29 October 2006 (EST)

  • Close, but not quite ready yet. More than a "bit" of MoS work needs to be done, lack of photographs is a shortcoming, and if the place "could not be described as a city full of tourist attractions," the "Get out" section should definitely be expanded. Resolve these issues and I'd vote for it; the hard parts (content, maps) are up to standards already, so getting it into shape shouldn't be hard. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 19:33, 24 November 2006 (EST)
    • Fair points. I shall nominate this for CotW and we'll see how that sorts things out. -- (WT-en) Tim 07:26, 26 November 2006 (EST)
Don't support - the 'Sleep' section is too thin for a city of this size, though will support if this can be corrected. (WT-en) WindHorse 01:31, 1 February 2007 (EST)
  • Don't support. I agree that the "Sleep" section needs a lot of improvement. -- (WT-en) DanielC 16:10, 2 February 2007 (EST)

One of the most important square kilometers on Earth! Comprehensive article. Central to Judaism and Christianity, whilst being important in Islam. Great all year round but could fit in well with Christmas time - December in particlar for obvious reasons.(WT-en) Flymeoutofhere 09:36, 9 April 2007 (EDT)

Not yet, it's got a little work. First, I'd like to see more photos (my personal preference is to get a some images of off-the-beaten-path sights), but another problem is that for many listings there's no address or directions. I'd be especially interested in contact info for a lot of the churches and such too. The article also should list a few internet cafes. Regarding December time slot, wouldn't Bethlehem make more sense? I think if this article is chosen to be a DotM to display it in month of Nisan (preferably when Passover, Good Friday, and Easter) would be ideal since travelers could then experience Jewish customs and Christian customs. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 02:21, 11 April 2007 (EDT)
  • Do not support. I really like the idea of getting Jerusalem into shape for DotM, but the whole city, not just a district, should be the DotM, and it's not there yet. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 10:03, 7 June 2007 (EDT)

Largest city in the wonderful world famous English county of Yorkshire. Has won a host of tourism awards recently including UK Visitor City Of The Year, UK Favourite City, Best City for Clubbing, Most Female friendly city. A host of attractions from museums, countryside, shopping and nightlife. This article is fantasticaly in depth now too.

  • Do not support -- yet. There's a lot of excellent content in this, but it has three serious problems. Several sections are quite out of conformity to the Project:Manual of style. A tendency toward touting has also crept into some of the text. Third, and hardest to remedy, the lists of attractions are so long and cobbled-together that they're hard to follow. Some way of reorganizing the content needs to be found, so that it doesn't read like a laundry list. All of these objections can be overcome, and I'd gladly change my vote if they were, as the amount of effort that has gone into this article is impressive. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 12:33, 29 December 2006 (EST)
  • Do not support. There is probably too much information, the listings need addresses / phone numbers and the district articles are thin. -- (WT-en) DanielC 16:20, 2 February 2007 (EST)

It looks like someone tried to nominate this but had syntax problems. I've fixed them so that we can give the article due consideration, but I strenuously oppose using the article as DotM. It's not even close to the standards we require. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 22:51, 29 August 2007 (EDT)

A very good guide. Best time is summer I presume. -- (WT-en) DanielC 16:39, 5 February 2007 (EST)

There's an ongoing debate on Talk:Montreal about districtifying the city, so it might be best to wait until that's sorted out. (WT-en) Jpatokal 00:02, 6 February 2007 (EST)
Agree with Jani. Montreal is a great city that should be DotM at some point, but the district issue really needs to get settled (and has been pending for a long time). In my opinion, districtifying is necessary -- there's altogether too much interesting stuff in Montreal to lump into a single article -- but who will bell the cat? -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 15:30, 15 March 2007 (EDT)
The districtifying is now in progress, but this is still not ready. Any objections to slushing it again, until the districts are all in shape? -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 11:02, 27 October 2007 (EDT)

Fantastic content on a perennially underestimated city, with "Get out" links to several of the innumerable great-outdoors destinations of the region. The only shortcoming is a shortage of imagery, but that can be remedied. Suggested for August 2007. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 22:11, 3 December 2006 (EST)

Support, on the condition that some decent images can be dug up. (WT-en) Jpatokal 22:22, 1 February 2007 (EST)
Support, although could do with a couple more photographs and telephone numbers for the "eat" items. -- (WT-en) DanielC 17:05, 15 March 2007 (EDT)
  • On thinking about this one, I think it might be best to postpone it until the imagery is in better shape. Furthermore, Albuquerque is looking like an absolute gem for October, and three United States DotMs in a row would be a bit much. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 14:25, 17 April 2007 (EDT)
    • Bump. The image problem still hasn't been fixed. This isn't a bad article, and would be a viable DotM in harder times, but I think it may be better to put Zion into this slot (and Albuquerque in September), leaving this one open for inclusion next year -- if we can dig up some photos. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 09:50, 20 June 2007 (EDT)
Agree. The sole drab image does nothing to enhance the article, so like Bill says, maybe defer until a few good images can be found. That would place Zion in the August slot and Albuquerque in the September one....two US sites in a row. How about Zion for August, Hiroshima for September (they might get a typhoon or two, but they are passed in half a day) and Albuquerque for October? I'll rearrange in that way and then gauge the reaction (WT-en) WindHorse 10:21, 20 June 2007 (EDT)
Maybe Albuquerque should be moved into the October slot, since that's when the Balloon Fiesta is happening. But Zion for August? Too hot. Can we push that into September, when it's cooler? (WT-en) PerryPlanet 19:06, 27 June 2007 (EDT)

Québec is unique among tourist destinations. Its French heritage sets the province apart, and it is one of the only areas in North America to have preserved its Francophone culture. Its European feel and its history, culture and warmth have made Québec a favourite tourist destination both nationally and internationally. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Bonjour Quebec (talk • contribs)

Oppose

The article reeks of racist implication that is of no interest to a vistor. I think most of the article needs to be deleted and one needs to start over and address the interests of a visitor and scrap the information on racist differences, who cares except the residents and it appears they need to grow up. Mention the differences and go on. (WT-en) 2old 15:14, 3 August 2007 (EDT)

  • Do not support -- to put it mildly. I will give the nominator the benefit of the doubt and assume good faith, in which case this is a complete, if well-intentioned, misinterpretation of what a DotM needs to be. This article isn't close. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 15:51, 3 August 2007 (EDT)
  • Do not support - not at all according to our manual of style. Unfortunately User:(WT-en) Bonjour Quebec who is the nominator and did a lot of work on the article does not reply on his/her discussion page. --(WT-en) Flip666 writeme! • 16:16, 3 August 2007 (EDT)
  • Do not support - the Quebec province articles are generally not in good shape, and my impression is that their quality dismayingly has been deteriorating, rather than improving. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 19:16, 3 August 2007 (EDT)
  • Oppose - I would love to see Quebec a DotM, but the article isn't there yet. As a side note, I'm still trying to contact someone at Bonjour Quebec to a)verify the identity of the user using that name and b)discuss how we can collaborate according to our Project:Goals and non-goals. (WT-en) Maj 23:48, 3 August 2007 (EDT)
    • Would anyone object to slushing this one? The consensus seems overwhelmingly clear... -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 23:02, 5 August 2007 (EDT)
  • No objection here. It's not ready to be featured. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 23:07, 5 August 2007 (EDT)

It will be very difficult to find anything more off-the-beaten-path than this place. And it surely makes an amazing trip. User:(WT-en) Guoyifan 05:21 20 February 2007 (EST)

CotW which has been hugely improved. Very good article. Could do with a better map and more info in a few more districts. Not exactly sure when to put it, maybe summer 2007? (WT-en) Tim 15:45, 14 August 2006 (EDT)

  • Districts are a bit thin, the airport is a nightmare for any traveller but might be good for late summer 2007. (WT-en) Jan 05:42, 15 August 2006 (EDT)
  • Support with a caveat: this is one of those Pattaya-style articles where the content is great but the formatting is a little eccentric to say the least. I fixed up the biggest booboo (Get in stuff in Get out), but this could still use some more work. (WT-en) Jpatokal 22:30, 1 February 2007 (EST)
Luckily, this is one place that I can actually do something about. I hate the fact Pattaya reads like a yellow pages or a paper of random listings and useless services that shithole motels hand out to guests. I'm not going to let that happen this article so I do not support until we make a real attempt at it. I'll do my part. -- (WT-en) Andrew H. (Sapphire) 22:40, 1 February 2007 (EST)
Don't support - ditto (WT-en) Sapphire's comments. (WT-en) WindHorse 23:05, 1 February 2007 (EST)
  • Oppose. If you start looking at it closely after the (far too much) travel info, it has far too many districts and then areas labelled as districts that then link to (unique to Warsaw) walking tours. The main district article - Warsaw/Srodmiescie is really just a long list. This is an idiosyncratic work that I don't think we should be promoting. -- (WT-en) DanielC 15:30, 5 February 2007 (EST)
  • Do not support. Really needs MoS-based overhaul. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 11:14, 6 February 2007 (EST)
  • I don't support this either anymore... It could almost do with going in for another CotW to sort out the MoS problems.--(WT-en) Tim 11:28, 6 February 2007 (EST)
  • Support. I was working hard on this article last September to improve it (independently of this nomination, in fact I've found out about it only now) and I'd be delighted to do everything I can (provided I have the time) to make Warsaw a well-written, informative and helpful article. I see some people have objections to this nomination and it's great, because it means you have read the article and know its weak points. Could you please take a minute or two explaining what exactly needs to be improved, on the article talk page? The reason I'm asking for this is that I'm afraid I don't fully understand what the problem is ("Pattaya-style"?). (WT-en) CandleWithHare 15:58, 2 March 2007 (EST)
Also, please remember the style rules were different at the time most of the article was written and if something isn't explicitly stated in the rules it doesn't mean it's prohibited, so the question that should rather be asked is whether something is reader-friendly or not. (WT-en) CandleWithHare 15:58, 2 March 2007 (EST)
Generally, style policies have not changed much, though, there have been some small changes. My attempt to fix and remove a lot of the crap no one would really use was reverted by you, now you'll understand why it needed to be deleted, and I suspect that we'll just end up deleting the same stuff, if not more. The toilet information needs to be deleted. I moved it to the Poland guide, though an explanation of square v. circle could still be used there. No one needs to know all of the major hypermarkets on the Warsaw guide. If it's really important, then we'll put it in the districts, which is what policy requires.
Also, we don't need:
  • Ice-skating
  • Bowling
  • Climbing
  • Cycling
  • Golfing
  • Shopping malls
  • Hypermarkets
  • Consumer electronics (Wikivoyage isn't a catalog!)
  • Antiques
  • Provisional-now-permanent
Pattaya is bad article because it's the type of thing that a shithole motel gives out to it's guests so they can go and get pizza from Pizza Hut, or whatever and Warsaw (and it's districts) are taking this route. If there is some potentially useful information it's need to be removed to the proper district. A major rewrite is needed too, but that can come last, in my opinion otherwise we'll probably end up where we began. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 16:16, 2 March 2007 (EST)
Ooi! I think almost all of those are useful information, although you should pick a few noteworthy shops/facilities, not list the whole lot. Travellers do go bowling, climbing, cycling, golfing, and shopping, although more probably for antiques than consumer electronics. (At least in Warsaw; the reverse would be true in Hong Kong.) (WT-en) Jpatokal 23:56, 2 March 2007 (EST)
I believe it's spelled "Oi". Anyhow, you're right that most of it can be useful, but we need to give an very fine grained overview and shuttle off most of the info to the districts. The Russian Market, as an example does require a mention in the top-level guide, but the nitty gritty details belong in the districts. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 00:04, 3 March 2007 (EST)

Candle, "Pattaya style" was a reference to how Pattaya had turned into a yellow pages directory, listing absolutely everything that there was possibly to see or do in the place, rather than being a focused and discerning travel guide pointing travelers to just the best and most relevant things. If you're interested, go back into the history on that article and look at it before Sapphire and I started deleting some stuff [or even now, it still needs help ;) ]. Anyway, I would also propose that we delete the 1900's picture and the Emblem of Warsaw pic, which are more appropriate for Wikipedia than here... photos in the articles, I think, should just be ones that aid the traveler by giving a good impression of what to expect when traveling there, anything else just clutters the article... btw, you did a great job on the Warsaw way back when, it's good that you're around again now to help us perfect the article and bring it even more in line with the Manual of Style and the current ideas of good Guide articles (WT-en) - Cacahuate 03:02, 7 March 2007 (EST)

Thanks for the explanation, I get it now. Indeed, I didn't take into account that the article may get too long in the process of improving it :) So, what are we getting rid of first? I agree about the toilet stuff -- personally, I've never understood the peculiarities of the alleged public-toilet problem in the city I live in, but as people keep adding such information, I always thought there was some need for it, with websites such as this one emerging around the world. I also agree about the old photo, which is useless, but it was around before I started meddling with the article, and I was generally unwilling to remove stuff. As for the emblem, I only added it because it occupies the place that would otherwise be empty anyway (at least that's how things show up in my browser). (WT-en) CandleWithHare 12:42, 7 March 2007 (EST)

Fairly complete article. The only problem I really see is a lack of photos, but if I ever get my film developed I can solve that problem. Time format should be MoS'd (I have a hard time reminding myself to do civilian time). Also, I didn't include a whole lot of info for the descriptions of listings, but I'll dfix that in a few days. I thinks some of the strong points are: the "Get in" info, the abundance of nightlife, and the diverse cultural aspects of the city (you have Middle Eastern/Lebanese, Asian, Italian, African neighborhoods all within several minutes of each other).

I'd suggest making this DoTM for summer '07 or early fall. -- (WT-en) Andrew H. (Sapphire) 03:36, 2 December 2006 (EST)

  • I'd support this providing the issues Sapphire mentioned above are addressed. I'd also like to see an understand section, more info in get around and at least a few listings in budget sleep. If that gets done it'll be a nice article. -- (WT-en) Tim 04:47, 2 December 2006 (EST)
  • A problem I see with this is that, while the Windsor article has lots of good stuff, Windsor as a destination is dominated by that city across the river -- and its article still needs serious work despite its "Guide" status. Some discussion of how to handle DotM candidates along national borders, with matching cities across the border, might be appropriate before proceeding with this one. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 22:30, 3 December 2006 (EST)
OTBP is an option too, but it's not exactly off the path. I suggested summer 07 because looking over I'm not as happy with the article as I thought I was and in a few weeks I should whip this in shape. -- Andrew (Sapphire)
  • Support for OTBP, because iit's not one of the main destinations in Canada (and I've never heard of it!) - (WT-en) DanielC 16:13, 2 February 2007 (EST)
Aren't all destinations in Canada OTBP... by definition? :) But seriously, Detroit/Windsor is Canada's busiest border crossing, and one of the busiest in the world. Just about anyone driving into Canada from the U.S. Midwest goes through Windsor. To say nothing of its popularity among 19/20-year-olds and strip-club patrons throughout Southeast Michigan. -(WT-en) Todd VerBeek 16:14, 5 February 2007 (EST)
Since this one is in the gray area between DotM and OtBP, I suggest we consider it a "utility" destination to plug into whichever of the two is more in need of candidates. At the moment the DotM list is actually more sparse than OtBP, so how about we use it for the August DotM (Portland still being short on photos) and look for a different August OtBP? -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 14:49, 17 April 2007 (EDT)
  • Support - clean, simple article - summer best for feature? (WT-en) WindHorse 19:34, 2 February 2007 (EST)
  • The current blurb does a really bad job of selling the destination (automobile industry? near Detroit?), and the article doesn't have anything better. Could somebody who knows the place better come up with something nice/interesting? (WT-en) Jpatokal 01:35, 17 June 2007 (EDT)
I took a stab at reorganizing the blurb based on available facts. However, it is still not very appealing. I reiterate Jpatokal's appeal for someone familiar with the city to add fresh and interesting info. (WT-en) WindHorse 02:11, 17 June 2007 (EDT)
  • Potentially don't support – So maybe I'm chiming in a little late in the game here, but how did this make it so far in the first place? I appreciate that the article covers the destination so well, but it's still sounding like a thoroughly uninteresting place, and I'm not convinced that it's one of the 2 articles that should represent the site for an entire month. A park along the river with views of Detroit and drunk-ass 19-20 year old Americans with but-her-face strippers in their laps are the main highlights? No thanks. When I think of OTBP it conjures up images of quaint little cities or far off villages just waiting to be explored and uncovered – not busy border crossing towns. Sorry to throw that out there so last minute, but are there any alternatives? – (WT-en) cacahuate talk 02:32, 17 June 2007 (EDT)
Yeah, it is not a great destination, but there is no substitute in the nomination list at present. I'll enter Jakar in Bhutan for consideration as a possible alternative as this a summer only destination. (WT-en) WindHorse 02:43, 17 June 2007 (EDT)
Sado Island has been nominated as an alternative destination to Windsor. See below. (WT-en) WindHorse 04:53, 17 June 2007 (EDT)

Just throwin' it out there... can't get more OTBP than that... and the article's pretty comprehensive, considering the limited options... and I'm in love with the new opening picture... OR... should this wait a couple/few years until there's a little larger # of people going up each year? – (WT-en) cacahuate talk 01:08, 11 April 2007 (EDT)

At first I thought this was a little ridiculous, but I'm rather pleasantly surprised by the article. I mean there's off-the-beaten-path, then there's absurd. Some of the options listed in the guide are surprisingly cheap and with a little savings someone like me – trying to get into college and working a job at a restaurant – could actually participate in. If I hadn't actually read the article I'd be ignorant about those options.
However, the thing that sold me is that the understand section is very, very eloquent, which we often lack in our guides. I think this would be the perfect DotM/OtBP candidate, especially as it highlight and exemplifies some of our goals and philosophies, which can never be expressed by our other guides. Support -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 05:08, 11 April 2007 (EDT)
Support. Nowhere is cooler than the space! (WT-en) Guoyifan 12 April (EDT)
  • Actually Space can be very hot as well. :) Support. No hurry to feature it; it's not going anywhere. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 12:24, 12 April 2007 (EDT)
  • Do not support -- yet. Cute idea, and well-done article, but too many offerings in the article aren't presently available no matter how much money you have. When Virgin Galactic, etc., actually start offering trips rather than just promising them in the future, I'll reconsider. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 20:52, 12 April 2007 (EDT)
Yeah, good point Bill. I suppose it would also suck to feature it now, and then when things are really rockin' up there not want to feature it again. Waiting might be good. – (WT-en) cacahuate talk 23:08, 12 April 2007 (EDT)
So let's provisionally slot it for June 2015 - 2020, in case NASA starts taking people to the moon. I say June because that seems to be when the weather permits shuttle launches. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) • 23:13, 12 April 2007 (EDT)
Don't plan on seeing any Shuttle launches in 2015; those birds will be 23-31 years old by then, and fit for museum display only. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 09:39, 13 April 2007 (EDT)
Well, supposedly they don't want to send shuttles to the moon, but something closer to the Apollo modules. Plus, the current birds are going to retire in 2010, then we can all go to Dayton and see them up close and personal. -- (WT-en) Sapphire • (Talk) •
I though the Toyota Prius was being modified for moon launches, no? – (WT-en) cacahuate talk 11:15, 13 April 2007 (EDT)

"Known for its colonial architecture, which although decaying, remains an almost unique example of a 19th-century British colonial capital." A good number of sights, hotels and eateries listed. An interesting guide that has info about history, as well as stuff about staying safe/healthy. November to January is a good time to visit, so maybe a candidate for the empty December or January slots. -- (WT-en) Tim (writeme!) 15:50, 17 August 2007 (EDT)

  • Do not support. Yes, it's an interesting article, but according to Wikipedia, this city has a population of nearly 5 million, and the coverage is awfully sparse for a city that size. (Incidentally, I'd also consider it more DotM material than OtBP for the same reason; it certainly isn't off the "Asian" beaten path.) I'd be willing to consider changing my vote if someone could make a convincing case that the coverage really is comprehensive despite the size of the city, but to actually get me to change it would also require a bunch of MoS work -- hours and locations for attractions, restaurants, etc. It's all doable, though. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 19:15, 18 September 2007 (EDT)
  • Do not support, partly due to MoS concerns, partly given the recent unpleasantness. (WT-en) Jpatokal 06:37, 15 October 2007 (EDT)
  • Do not support. Travel to Burma is an inherently political act and, by highlighting Yangon anywhere, wikivoyage will take a side in the 'go nogo' battle. Best to let the reader decide. Also agree with Bill-on-the-Hill's comments about the sparseness of the page (the see section is pathetic, nothing confirms to the MOS, etc.) and am trying to fix some of that but, even if the article were a star, I would be against featuring it.--(WT-en) Wandering 14:38, 26 October 2007 (EDT)
    • Comment: I don't think politics in themselves are a valid reason to object to a destination, or are we going to rule out ever having a DotM in, say, Israel or Iran? Actively dangerous destinations should of course be avoided, but I think things have quieted down enough now that I withdraw my objection on this ground. (WT-en) Jpatokal 22:21, 26 October 2007 (EDT)
      • Agree about the politics; if the "unpleasantness" creates problems for the traveler, that's a consideration, but political statements aren't a reason to push or reject a destination. My other reasons for opposing this nomination remain, however. -- (WT-en) Bill-on-the-Hill 12:48, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
    • The point is that pushing Yangon as a destination is itself a political statement. I don't think the situation is the same as in Israel (a democratic state albeit with some issues) or Iran (also a kind of democracy albeit with a bit more than some issues!). Having a good guide for Yangon is one thing but featuring it as a destination feels, IMHO, a bit dirty. Anyway, I'll plug away on the Yangon page regardless.--(WT-en) Wandering 13:47, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
I kinda agree with Wandering - whether or not to go to Myanmar has been turned into a rather large moral question, and us putting it on the front page looks like we're saying yes. I wouldn't fight hard not to feature a Myanmar destination, but I would like everyone to understand that, if we do, it is definitely making a political statement, intentional or not – (WT-en) cacahuate talk 14:53, 30 October 2007 (EDT)
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