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Tech News: 2024-17 edit

MediaWiki message delivery 20:28, 22 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Growth News, April 2024 edit

18:55, 23 April 2024 (UTC)

The Signpost: 25 April 2024 edit

 
News, reports and features from the English Wikipedia's newspaper

Newbie edit

This newbie seemed particularly slow to get the nessafe. I think that Ibaman made the case, but the heavier kept pushing. Then IK made the point indirectly, but the newbie still didn't get it. I agree with not biting newbies, but this one didn't seem to want to listen. Ground Zero (talk) 02:24, 28 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

That's very true; some people are slower than others to learn, but at least we eventually got there. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 02:26, 28 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
I will say, though, if I were a newbie, having a bunch of links thrown at me isn't a very good approach for getting me to stay, at least per WP:IJME. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 02:56, 28 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

This Month in Education: March 2024 edit

Tech News: 2024-18 edit

MediaWiki message delivery 03:34, 30 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

French national parks edit

Thanks for creating articles on French national parks. However, I notice that several of them (by you or others) were marked as usable, although they lacked info on fees and permits and on getting around, and had no advice on getting in other than by private vehicle (mostly just mentioning what roads lead there).

In some other park articles:

  • "As always with National or Regional Parks in France, there are no entrance fees, and in fact the entrance itself will not be easily located along the road. Only a small signpost generally marks it."
  • "Permits can be found at the park administration website." – the link is to the department website, where I didn't find any mention of permits for the park, but my French is lacking, so something could be hiding there.
  • "As with all other French national parks, going off a marked road or travel via your vehicle is prohibited in order to preserve the landscape."
  • "The code of conduct, Code de Bonne Conduite, can be obtained at the tourist office" – might that be true also for other parks? Is there a general Code de Bonne Conduite covering them all?

If the fees and permits are mostly uniform across all parks, they could be handled in one place, linked from the park articles. I still assume that there are local peculiarities, and without checking for those we shouldn't think an article is usable.

Getting in by bus should be covered and, if bikes are mentioned, some characterisation of the entry route from the perspective of bikers. Also, if one cannot reach the sights by car/bus/bike, that should be mentioned either in Get around or the individual listings, with directions ("a 5-km hike along a marked trail from [bus stop]" or the like). Also, the Camping and Backcountry sections are mostly empty. Are there usually camping sites? Is backcountry camping allowed? I assume you should stay on marked trails, but whether or not should be covered.

LPfi (talk) 10:29, 30 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Agreed regarding the Fees and permits – I will slowly add them once I get the motivation to do so. About the accommodation, it isn't required for usable articles to have all of those filled in – only a minimum of one listing is required per Wikivoyage:Park article status (that page isn't clear, but it's naturally assumed from Wikivoyage:City article status – otherwise we'd be demoting hundreds of park articles if this weren't the case). --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 10:57, 30 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Anyway, I won't be very active on this site next month (draining in uni work :-(), but I'll try to slowly fix them. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 11:51, 30 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
No problem, this is long-term work and I just happened to notice that you had created some of them. Get around isn't needed for usable, but I think it should be there for high-quality usable articles, which should be aimed for. For Sleep, I think "information on accommodation" means general information rather than one listing.
For a Finnish national park, saying that there are wilderness huts mostly as needed along the marked or otherwise popular routes is much more useful than creating a listing for one of them – which I would think of as gaming the system.
If you can access most sites by car and there's a car-accessible lodging, that might suffice, but if you are supposed to do overnight hikes in other parts of the park, then it is woefully inadequate. Most of those park articles don't tell.
Good luck with the uni!
LPfi (talk) 12:11, 30 April 2024 (UTC)Reply
Thank you! I do agree we should aim for high-quality usable articles overall (and it's great that the number of high-quality usable substantially higher than it was in 2013 thanks to people like you). --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 12:24, 30 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Reminder to vote now to select members of the first U4C edit

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Green card edit

@SHB2000, i won a green card.   Lionel Cristiano (talk) 19:20, 4 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

wait, what's a green card? To me, it's synonymous with a permanent residency card. (I'm genuinely confused haha) --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 22:42, 4 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Yes, a U.S. permanent residency card. Congratulations, Lionel! Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:39, 4 May 2024 (UTC)Reply
Oh, righty. I second Ikan; congratulations! --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 00:36, 5 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Gender in the UCOC edit

Hi SHB2000, I've seen this section of the m:UCOC mentioned a few times here, and since it's off-topic for the Talk:Buddhism page where you were talking about this with @Ikan Kekek and @Pashley (apologies to anyone I've forgotten), I thought I'd borrow your talk page. Here's what it says:


Respect the way that contributors name and describe themselves. People may use specific terms to describe themselves. As a sign of respect, use these terms when communicating with or about these people, where linguistically or technically feasible. Examples include: [....]

  • People who identify with a certain sexual orientation or gender identity using distinct names or pronouns;

What this means is:

  • If someone directly tells you "I'm a man", then you should not show disrespect for that person by saying he's lying or by directly calling that person a woman.

What this does not mean is:

  • If you accidentally guess wrong, don't see a gender disclosed, forgot that the person previously said what their gender is, didn't take the time check the userpage first to see whether a gender is disclosed, etc., then doing your best (e.g., guessing from the username) is either bad or sanctionable.

They're trying to stop the kinds of exchanges that sound like:

  • "Actually, I'm a woman" – "No, you aren't, and I'm going to keep calling you he because I know you're a man", and
  • "Actually, I'm trans" – "Our community doesn't accept people like you".

People living in western democracies may find it hard to believe, but pre-UCOC, we actually had at least one Wikipedia that banned gay editors in their policies. Disclosing on your user page was a blockable offense there, even if you never touched a related article.

The main thing to remember is that the UCOC isn't concerned with the kinds of mistakes that all humans make occasionally. That policy is primarily concerned with deliberately malicious behavior. WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:38, 5 May 2024 (UTC)Reply

Oh, I see; that makes sense, WhatamIdoing. I'm actually quite shocked with the Wikipedia policy, but even the western world 15–20 years ago was a very different place than it is today. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 21:26, 5 May 2024 (UTC)Reply