Talk:Miyajima

Huge structure on the hillside of the mainland facing the island of Miyajima

There is a huge structure on the hillsideof the mainland facing the island of Miyajima - does anyone know what this is?

I've wondered about that myself. One person told me it was a hotel, another told me it was a convention center, and a third person told me it was a religious building. Dunno who (if any) was right. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 00:48, 9 January 2007 (EST)

Either way, it appears to have been built intentionally to lie directly within the torii gate when people take a tourist photo on the end of the platform within the Itsukshima shrine. Free advertising I guess, but personally I think its an abomination. --113.34.159.89 11:05, 27 June 2010 (EDT)Snave

Apparently it is the books museum of a buddhist organization: https://ja.wikipedia.org/wiki/%E6%B5%B7%E3%81%AE%E8%A6%8B%E3%81%88%E3%82%8B%E6%9D%9C%E7%BE%8E%E8%A1%93%E9%A4%A8 Syced (talk) 13:13, 12 March 2017 (UTC)

@Syced, hello, thank you for the link, and traced it to Wikidata for that building, named the Umi-Mori Art Museum:

• built by a chief of a modern sect of Buddhism;
• not a hotel, nor a library, but a private museum of art (per jawp);
• among its Japanese art collection, good numbers date back to the era between 1185 and 1573;
  • the other pieces are by those Kyoto school Japanese painters of traditional style, who were financially supported by the chief of the sect, including Seiho Take'uchi (竹内栖鳳) and his group. That part of the holdings is said to have expanded through acquisition from Shibunkaku collection along with sketches, photographs in 1985. The museum also holds ukiyo-e woodblock prints, with Utagawa Hiroshige's flower and bird prints, and they collect Chinese prints which had inspired ukiyo-e artists. Perfume/sniffing bottles are what they appeal to the visitors.

Omotecho (talk) 13:58, 25 July 2023 (UTC)

@Omotecho Thanks! Surprisingly I could not find any media article talking about the impact of that structure on the view, only non-reference posts such as https://ameblo.jp/shi48/entry-12376722448.html or https://detail.chiebukuro.yahoo.co.jp/qa/question_detail/q10130439800... if you find any media article or research paper about this, please let us know. :-) Syced (talk) 02:16, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Good point, @Syced, and well, as Japanese culture tolerates religious offerings of this kind a bit more.

I found the following is a bit tarted with Wikiedic style.

An argument that a building making a nick in the panorama, or sticking out on landscape was not much cared about, before 1971 when the first Right of Panorama Act came into action (Showa 44th, Keikan Jōrei 昭和44年景観条例).

Academic paper.

The view control at the Ohno district, Hatsuka'chi city is discussed by two students at a local chapter of the Architectural Institute of Japan. On its paywalled e-journal, issue 24, pp.755-758, March 2001 by Hirata, Yoshi'hide ; Sugahara, Tatsuyoshi (平田嘉秀, 菅原辰幸) both at Hiroshima_Institute_of_Technology.

Hiroshima prefecture.

The Basic Plan for Designated Landscape Area, Notification No. 1423, Miyajima/Ono as Landscape Designated Area, dated December 25, 1991.

Voices on the web.

• a personal view on WordPress expanded thoughts from 2020 Torii-gate repair, suggesting there are like-cousin facilities by the sister sects across Japan and near Mt.Fuji, too (another story /: );
• a travel/gourmet guide encourages people to enjoy the French dishes at the restaurant, where an entrance ticket to the museum is required to be seated;
• I understand that that building was very cautiously avoid on the official site: the best view on Miyajima you are proud of and wish to hand down (literally to your great grandchildren: in Japanese "みんなが選んだ 後世に残したい 知ってほしい景観") (see pp.7-8 for Ohno District where the museum is located.)

The third site is maintained by the Construction Planning Office, local government of Hatsuka'ichi City (廿日市市 建設部 都市計画課), dated March, 2019 (Heisei 29th) E-mail：toshikeikakucity.hatsukaichi.lg.jp.

FYI, when the museum was built, Miyajima and Ohno used to be independent towns in 1978, before merger into Hatsuka'ichi City (Shōwa 53th). --Omotecho (talk) 04:21, 2 August 2023 (UTC)

Itsukushima Shrine Picture

I'd like to generate some discussion on a "most useful" photo for the Itsukshima Shrine. I think a more descriptive and characteristic photo exists, which shows more of the "red-lacquered complex of halls and pathways on stilts." Do others think that the picture on the right gives travelers a better idea of what the Shrine is, and why they should visit it? (WT-en) Jtesla16 11:57, 9 January 2009 (EST)

Ceremonial dance at Itsukushima Shrine - Current Photo

Itsukshima Shrine - Proposed replacement for Current Photo

Thanks for initiating discussion. You might have been a little more direct in your opening, though — come right out and say that you took the photo! I took the photo on the left, so I'm as biased as you are. I think the one I took is more compelling because it shows action and something more unique to Itsukushima — I've seen no shortage of wooden orange rails while temple-hopping in Japan, and it's the water more than the stilts that sets Itsukushima apart. That said, your photo is more typical of the shape of photos on this site, so it fits into the article better. I wouldn't be offended if others want to swap it in for mine. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 18:56, 9 January 2009 (EST)

I think Gorilla's is more attractive and unique, but Jtesla's is more informative, so why not use both? (WT-en) Jpatokal 23:19, 9 January 2009 (EST)

Funny, we were told to put away our cameras in the actual temple grounds... Personally I believe Jtesla's picture better demonstrates the actual temple. Maybe some information about the 'Ceremonial dance' could be included in the See section? (WT-en) Iciac 23:44, 9 January 2009 (EST)

If I may weigh in, Gorilla's photo is nice, but would prefer a higher resolution image (if available?). The framing of the photo on the right doesn't seem quite right, with a lot of darkness on the top of the image and on the right side. That said, either or both would be okay. I can offer additional options, if interested, on my Flickr page. [1] or the many hundreds of other suitably licensed Miyajima photos on Flickr [2] [3]. (WT-en) Aude 23:45, 9 January 2009 (EST)

Given the choice, I'd pick a photo taken at high tide to best show off the construction - something like this photo of Aude's, perhaps. - (WT-en) Dguillaime 00:03, 10 January 2009 (EST)

Liki Jani said, why don't we just use both, there are no rules that you have to have pictures of attractions right by the text. Also I have some pictures lying around from the summit, if anyone would find that interesting, unfortunately it was overcast though. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) ^Talk 01:05, 10 January 2009 (EST)

I think some photos from the summit could be very useful, especially in the "Do" section where it recommends climbing Mt. Misen.(WT-en) Jtesla16 17:02, 11 January 2009 (EST)

It seems like the general consensus is to use both pictures, which I agree is probably the best solution. I will take a stab at placing the second photo in the article; all feel free to move it if you think it would work better in another spot.(WT-en) Jtesla16 17:02, 11 January 2009 (EST)

Looks good to me — thanks for the feedback, everyone. Miyajima is so photogenic, it's hard to be selective. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 17:18, 11 January 2009 (EST)

I actually think that the ceremony photo is still out-of-place. I feel what is needed is an "Events" section or something where information about this performance and other celebrations on the island is given. So, by no means am I suggesting the photo be deleted, but I do think it has yet to find its home.

I will say that, because the article is small, there does appear to be too many pictures, although I kind of like most of the pictures. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 22:28, 28 June 2009 (EDT)

I like that we can see the ceremony pic immediately. If anything, I'd prefer to move it to lead over the standard o-torii pic that everyone uses—it's an exciting shot. --(WT-en) Peter ^Talk 22:35, 28 June 2009 (EDT)

Map mistake

I was just in Miyajima the other day, and a mistake on the map threw me off a bit-- On the second map (Itsukushima area), there are two See #9s and no #10. The 9 on the left side of the map is supposed to be a 10. I would fix it myself, but my Inkscape is out of order. Could someone take care of this simple fix for us? The original map creator seems to have been absent since March... (WT-en) texugo 00:51, 18 August 2011 (EDT)

Phrase list for tourists

You can download a handy list to converse, which is originally intended to service staff on premises: by the local Tourist’s bureau. If you find it useful, kundly add it on the page. --Omotecho (talk) 06:11, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the link, which would seem most relevant to Talk:Japan, but do you think this link is OK under this site's what not to link to policy? I doubt it. And note that we have a Japanese phrasebook. Would you like to check it and see if anything should be edited? Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:36, 10 February 2021 (UTC)

Ikan Kekek, thank you for kind reply and pointing me to Japanese phrasebook. Well, the link I added above is more for etiquettes/manners that you will find in any travelers’ guide, and I am guessing that adding such link to phrasebook won’t fit. I agree we won’t need for “what no to link to”. Cheers, Omotecho (talk) 12:11, 12 February 2021 (UTC)

If there's any content in it that should be summarized in Japan#Respect, feel free to add it there but cite your source in edit summaries. Ikan Kekek (talk) 13:15, 12 February 2021 (UTC)