Talk:Pemberton (British Columbia)

Where to put listings[edit] QUOTE Hello - thanks for your edits, but please note that listings are generally placed in only one article, for the town in which they are located. Thus if a hotel is located in Pemberton (British Columbia) it should not be listed in Whistler and vice-versa (see Wikivoyage:Where you can stick it and Wikivoyage:Don't tout for the relevant site policies). Hopefully that makes sense, but if you have questions you can ask them on this talk page or on the relevant article's talk page. -- Ryan • (talk) • 05:26, 6 February 2014 (UTC) It makes general sense except that the communities are joined, an intertwined. Both the Pemberton & Whistler Mayors sit on the same regional district: SLRD; Squamish Lillooet Regional District. They belong to the same single Catholic Church Parish. Share the same Police combined Police Force :Whistler Pemberton RCMP Detachment. Share a transit System. The ESPN2 featured Whistler BMX park is the Green River BMX park in Pemberton. All the whistler Helisking spots are in or North of Pemberton.There Helicopters depart from & are based at Pemberton Airport. Whistler Jets Boats is in Pemberton on the Lillooet River. Pemberton is a Whistler bedroom community with travel times equal or shorter than the former Olympic Village Cheakamus Crossing to Whistler Village.

—The preceding comment was added by PemGateway (talk • contribs) 08:43, 6 February 2014‎ (UTC)So you think there is a case for merging the 2 articles into one? If so, please make it at Talk:Pemberton (British_Columbia)... --118.93nzp (talk) 09:24, 6 February 2014 (UTC) END QUOTE

I did not request that they be merged, but I do think you should allow some redundancy because they are inter twined. The purpose I assume of Wikivoyage is to inform all the Holipoli not only for a tiny self selected group of Wikivoyage editors. You need to inform the public that Pemberton is a bedroom community of Whistler and that almost all of Whistlers backcountry activities are in Pemberton & its environs not Whistler proper. With all due respect this 1 placename implied policy is STUPID & does not match the real world - use realpolitik. Sea to Sky exists on Wiki pedia & voyage: yet it includes Squamish, Whistler & Pemberton. Should they all be merged???? I think not. The unincorporated areas in Sea to Sky are in the SLRD,Squamish Lillooet Regional District. This is no different than a town existing in a New England in a County, within a Parish (both meanings: secular & political boundary), within an amalgamated (super) Parish/County, within a State. I understood Wikivoyages purpose was inform the public about the real world as it exists with all its contradictions, not some fake Autistic fantasy world. Reality is messy there are over lapping political jurisdictions and intertwined communities here - as in many places- deal with it!

Vancouver Airport YVR is in Richmond BC and not the City of Vancouver have you removed it from the Vancouver Listings????? —The preceding comment was added by PemGateway (talk • contribs)

Wikivoyage:Geographical hierarchy has a useful explanation of how Wikivoyage articles are arranged; in the example you've cited, Sea to Sky is a parent region with "city" articles for Whistler and Pemberton (British Columbia). It is a sitewide policy that we try to avoid overlap at the lowest levels of the hierarchy - if we have an article about Whistler it should be about Whistler, and it should provide pointers to articles about neighboring towns where needed (as Whistler#Sleep currently does by providing a pointer to the Pemberton article). Just as you wouldn't expect a Lonely Planet guide to repeat listings for the same hotel in several sections, Wikivoyage also avoids duplication, otherwise there would be no point in having separate articles and the two would be better off merged into a single article. Hopefully that makes sense, and if you have suggestions for improvement let's discuss them. -- Ryan • (talk) • 00:31, 7 February 2014 (UTC)

Cleanup

Loads of pictograms had been inserted into this guide, Along With Gratuitous Capitalization. This is a Wikivoyage guide, governed by the Manual of style, not someone's personal guide on their own website, where they can use any format they like. There's also a lot of copy editing that needs to be done. For example, would someone like to clean up the wall of text under "directions" in the listing for Sloquet Hot Springs? Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:06, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

Caps in Keyhole Hot springs are literally life & death warning of agressive bears.

Caps in Sloquet refer to bear danger too bears will become agressive too if given human food. —The preceding comment was added by PemGateway (talk • contribs)

Please sign your name on talk pages by typing 4 tildes (~) in a row at the end.

We do not use capital letters for emphasis on this site. You may use bolding. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:22, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

Over elaborate listing

I tidied up the following listing on the article page. Keeping here in case essential details need returning. From my perspective it was completely unreadable. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 23:37, 20 May 2017 (UTC)

• 1 Sloquet Hotsprings (Sloquet Hot Springs), Sloquet Creek FSR 10 Km (From the North: longer of the 2 routes but can be done with a 2-wheel drive vehicle, like a pickup, with good ground clearance, though a 4x4 is strongly recommended. Pemberton through the old village of Mount Currie on Hwy99, take a right turn at the little white Church onto the Duffey Lake Road toward Lillooet - if you see signage for D’Arcy & Seton Portage you have missed the turn off. After ~ 10 km & crossing the bridge over Lillooet River at the delta & head of Lillooet Lake, turn right, take the south gravel fork, with a sign saying "Lillooet Lake Lodge, 12 km" & “ In-SHUCK-ch FSR “ Forest Service Road . If your driving uphill on a paved road you've missed the turnoff. Do not turn at ~ 30 km fork. Do not take the Right forkthat leads overo a bridge at the Tenas Narrows but instead go straight ahead down the left fork. Continue south for another 45 km or so, passing Rogers Creek, Saint Agnes Wells, Hotspring the village of Stikin formerly Skookumchuck with its distinctive wood gothic church, Gowan Creek, Livingston Creek, Frank Creek, & Whiskey Lake to reach the Port Douglas fork. Take the right fork. Lelachen Bridge : ~ 4 km (49:47:19-122:13:19) over the Lillooet River to its west side. A few hundred meters past the bridge you'll reach a weird four-way intersection. Take the left fork, continuing along the Lillooet River. Sloquet Creek Bridge: Continue South on Lillooet River Road ~ 4 km to a fork just before the Sloquet Creek bridge (49:45:29-122:13:56), leave the main logging road by turning right onto a spur road that heads west. After just 50 m, you'll reach another fork. Take the left fork and follow this road for 10 km to a parking spot (49:43:54-122:19:37). Lots of room for parking & camping. Past the camp site & parking the road is pedestrian only & blocked by 2 big boulders. The hot springs is a steep downhill 400 m hike. Take note, that means you need hike back up & out almost ½ Km uphill after soaking in the Hotsprings. Climb down to the river bed; the hotspring is on your left 49:43:44-122:19:32 From the South: high clearance 4-wheel drive only, because rough sections of road especially last 20 km towards Port Douglas from Harrison Hotsprings. They are currently working on the Road as of Spring Summer 2015, but the work stopped Summer 2015, because Harrison Forest Fire. These last 20 km were neglected for the last 20 years since the closing of the Sawmill at Port Douglas. From Vancouver take the Lougheed Highway via Mission & Agassiz near Harrison Mills, head north on the Morris Valley FSR (logging road). Stay right past the 1st few major forks to reach the main Harrison West FSR which all along Harrison Lake, then past the end of the lake to just past the Sloquet Creek bridge.). 24 / 7. Sloquet Hotsprings can be accessed from the north by way of Pemberton & Mount Currie or from the South on FSR/logging roads on the west side of Harrison Lake. The Hotsprings consists of a series of small but excellent hot pools in a wilderness setting. Hot water pours out of the forested side of the bank of Sloquet Creek & flows into 2 intimate 2 person double upper pools- tight fit, then into a the larger shallow lower pool. On occasion, the water in the upper pools may be too hot to bathe in. The 3rd pool farther down the creek is just right temperature. $5 day use & $15 Camping at Trail Head. (updated Aug 2015)

• 2 Keyhole Hotsprings (Keyhole, Pebble Creek Hotsprings), Upper Lillooet FSR 42.5 Km (Closed due to bears, as of May 12, 2017. 1.5 hrs West of Pemberton, on serviceable dirt road, being improved. Take Pemberton Meadows Road turn off at 25 km for Hurley & Upper Lillooet Forest Service Road (FSR), AKA Upper Lillooet FSR. Proceed down Upper Lillooet FSR till just before 42.5 Km. Parking lot on NE side of Road Trail Head on SW side.). 24/7 temporarily closed due to bears. 3 amazing cascading rustic pools. Hanging off the side of the cliff like birds nests. 3rd & lowest pool sits right in the river. Each pool is fashioned out of native stone found on site & mortar by local & regional volunteers. Other Names: Keyhole Hotsprings: AKA: Keyhole & Pebble Creek Hot Springs. On Upper Lillooet FSR 1 hr West of Pemberton, on a serviceable 4 x 4 improved dirt road, Lillooet Forest Service Road AKA Upper Lillooet Forest Service Road (FSR). Cost: Free & Free Camping.. Part of Meager Creek Hotspring / Geothermal Vent System. Opened July 2014 new trail: "Lillooet River Trail" longer but easier, ~ 1 mile / 1.5 km long parallel to the river. New parking lot at ~ 42.5 Km, new bridge & new improved dirt road. Note Old Trail at 44km now permanently decommissioned & closed. Area up hill of Hotsprings is a designated "Ungulate Area" for Mountain Sheep & Goats...if you must bring a dog keep it leashed - also a good idea because of all the Grizzlies & other bears around. Road ploughing scheduled for Upper Lillooet Hydro Project i.e. "Dams"s. Parking lot may not be ploughed. Free & free camping. (updated Aug 2016)

• 3 Meager Creek Hot Springs, Upper South Creek FSR 11Km + 4 km up hill + 9.5 km trail (2 hours 64 km drive West of Pemberton: take the paved Pemberton Meadows Road do not turn off it becomes a gravel municipal road, that then becomes the South Creek FSR. At 40 Km the road forks. Take the up-hill south fork (left) on very rough zig-zagging dirt track of an old logging road for about 4 km, then 6 km along VOC Harrison Hut Trail where it meets the old Meager Creek Hot Springs Trail for 3.5 km more . [5] Hot Spring Layout: three beautiful - volunteer built - interconnected cascading pools, with lowest pool right beside Meager Creek. Vehicle Access: 4 wheel drive vehicle or a full size pick-up with high clearance. Or deep winter via snow mobile' or via Miller Creek over the pass or down off the Meager Glacier]] / Pemberton Ice Cap). 24/7. 3 beautiful volunteer built cascading large pools, with lowest pool beside Meager Creek. You need either 4 wheel drive or large pickup truck with good clearance. In Winter it can can be accessed over the top of the Pemberton Ice Cap (Meager Creek Ice Field) with Snowmobile or X-Country Skis. New trail: VOC Harrison Hut Trailbuilt Summer 2014 by Volunteers from UBC Varsity Outdoor's Club, completed Aug 2014. No dogs allowed pool side. Best to keep dogs leased as its a wildlife area. i.e. Mt. Sheep, Mt. Goats , Coyotes, Wolves, Deer, Moose, Grizzlies & Black Bear. Free & Free Bush Camping - but not allowed pool side. Expect Fees if Trail Tenure is granted.. 

How far is too far?

Right now, there are "Sleep" listings 1.5-2 hours' drive from Pemberton. I think that's too far away to list in this guide. Do you agree that these listings cannot be in this guide and should be in another? Why or why not? Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:23, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

I think Pemberton is the right spot. It's a long valley and there's really nothing up there (in terms of settlements) except the village of Pemberton and Mount Currie (First Nations reserve). It's part of the reason why I referred to the "wider Pemberton Valley" when I re-wrote the lede, because it's meant to capture the larger area and not just the village. Another reason for the 1.5-2 hr drive is much of the travel is on gravel and sometimes rough (4x4 only) logging roads. Calling the article "Pemberton Valley" would be more geographically accurate, but in my experience (I work with people who go to these hot springs periodically), locals just refer to the whole area as Pemberton. -Shaundd (talk) 02:34, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

OK, thanks for explaining that. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:34, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

Using the "Pemberton Valley" name would avoid a disambiguation, as there's a Pemberton (Western Australia). K7L (talk) 12:38, 21 May 2017 (UTC)

Sure, but if the name the traveller is most likely to encounter is "Pemberton", then I don't think we should change the name to avoid a disambiguation. -Shaundd (talk) 05:25, 23 May 2017 (UTC)