Talk:Venice/Archive

Boats plural

Should the boats be called vaporettos or vaporetti? -(WT-en) phma 00:17, 28 Mar 2004 (EST)

The singular is vaporetto the plural is vaporetti. (WT-en) rturus 81.179.210.210 18:51, 6 Dec 2004 (EST)

Proper nouns

Hi all, I have a question about the 'proper nouns' (like Venezia in this case). In my opinion the proper name shouldn't change if we speak in another language, for example Venezia remain Venezia in Italian, in English in Spanish... i.e. I'm Marco, but i don't became Mark if we speak in German...

So, i think than this article (Venice) should be redirected in Venezia, and not vice-versa( like Vicenza, Verona and all ather cities of Veneto). I don't know if there is a specify rule in WikiTravel for this case...

What do you think about this?

( Sorry for my English, but i'm Italian... ;-) )

--(WT-en) Wanblee 09:52, 11 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Hi Marco. Unlike people some places have different names in different languages. For Wikivoyage we use the most common English name of a place. There are lots of good reasons for this, and it's been very throughly discussed at Project:Article naming conventions and the associated talk pages. The main reason is that this is the English language version of Wikivoyage, our readers speak, read, and write english. When they are looking for Venizia they think it's called "Venice", so that's what they are going to type into the search bar, and that's what they will look for when scanning the page for Italy.

Of course part of the information we want to give them is what the town is called by its inhabitants, so that info is right there at the top of the page.

For what it's worth I live in Geneva which has four names in four different languages that I know of. -- (WT-en) Mark 09:15, 11 Aug 2005 (EDT)

PS. Please do sign your posts. -- (WT-en) Mark 09:15, 11 Aug 2005 (EDT)

O.K. thanks for the answer ( you convinced me ;-)) ) Now i've seen the Project:Article naming conventions and clarify my ideas of the WikiTravel rule about this topic.

--(WT-en) Wanblee 09:52, 11 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Hi again. I'm glad I was able to help. Thanks again for contributing to Wikivoyage, and I hope to see you around for some time. We do need more info about Italy, personally I'd like to try to make it to Rome and Florence at some time this fall. :) -- (WT-en) Mark 11:23, 11 Aug 2005 (EDT)

Honeymoon

I have booked 6 nights in Venice for mid-April '07. We are staying at the Palazzo la Scala. Can anyone offer any insight on this hotel? Location, style, value? I really appreciate any thoughts you can share on Venice. I want to make this a week we'll never forget.

Try tripadvisor.com for comparisons of hotels.

Transport to Airport

Could somebody post how one may get to the Airport in a reasonably priced way? I will be at a hotel very near the Accademia Bridge.

Districts

A Venice/San Marco article was just created, but I think we should discuss the split here first. (WT-en) Jpatokal 13:07, 13 September 2007 (EDT)

Venice! I visited Venice with my ex-partner during a 2-week round-Italy train trip about 8 years ago. I'd been to Turin, Rome, Pisa, Naples, the Amalfi Coast, all of Italy by train. We obviously missed most of the country-side, so go on a day trip to Tuscany, but 2 days in Venice is perfect/necessary, Don't book a hotel until you get there, you 'll meet the landlady of a great b&b overlooking the main square for next to nothing. and she'll charge you whatever you agree. But DO eat out, it's almost free and it'll be the best meal you ever eat. BUT look at the map

Ad in Sleep listings

Hi. There was an ad in the Sleep listings so I deleted it.--64.205.0.18 14:49, 27 June 2008 (EDT)MarinaK.

advert entries

I have deleted entries for restaurants and hotels here because they looked far too much like brochure-spam, and some I just deleted because I get fed up, and some I deleted as they contained referrer code (see [1]). If I am wrong, please insert those entries written to be useful to readers, for example:

for restaurant, price of standard meal for one, and for two
for hotel, room price range and date when current
do not copy and paste blog entries, it infringes copyright,
instead, write it from your own experience
put inside html comments those weblinks that may be useful to editors for verifying prices
say something CRITICAL or give a DISADVANTAGE

I propose that entries just get deleted (or doubtful ones get moved here) if an entry lacks any of these pieces of information:

Price! Of a meal, of the wine
Location! Where it is, and distance from a main landmark in minutes of metres
Opinion? Tasty? Service?

More advice for would-be advertisers. Avoid these phrases:

stone's throw away
short walk
excellent value
original elegance
most magnificent
beautiful

And of course, do not use codes after the URL. (WT-en) Wikibob ^Talk 20:00, 23 December 2008 (EST)

Yeah, that's more or less fine (see also Project:Words to avoid). My preferred solution to spammy entries is to just strip bare the description, leaving the other info, but if there's no address or price, then it's worthless and can be nuked in entirety. (WT-en) Jpatokal 22:37, 23 December 2008 (EST)

This more or less looks like Rome before we managed to clean it up. I went ahead and deleted a couple of the worst entries - I don't know what it is with Italian hotel owners, but they don't mix well with Wikivoyage. There is more than enough listings as it is, so I'd say remove the rubbish, rather than strip it down to something that just clutters the page. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) ^Talk 20:08, 27 July 2009 (EDT)

I culled a bunch more today [2] per lack of price info. With that long list, it might not be a bad idea to think about breaking this article into districts? --Peter 16:13, 4 October 2011 (EDT)

kids view of venice

I feel something needs to be done about this section. Much of it seems to have been there since September. Suggestions for the best approach? (WT-en) Shep 11:21, 6 February 2010 (EST)

I'll move it here for now. Maybe a new article like London with children? (WT-en) Jjtk 09:57, 17 April 2012 (EDT)

Actually, we have a Venice with children article! --(WT-en) Peter ^Talk 21:43, 17 April 2012 (EDT)

Kids' View of Venice

Venice may be a tourist trap, but altogether there is so much for kids to do in Venice. Besides just walking around from place to place there are a lot of things that people of all ages will enjoy.

Kids' Restaurant Picks

Al-Vapperettos- It is a great pizzeria on the walkway leading up to the Campo Manin. It is an amazing restaurant with great vegetarian and non-vegetarian Menu. If you like spicy food, just ask the waiter for some extra spicy sauce. Also the range of pizza selection is just out of this world. Another amazing part of the menu is the spaghetti. The food is really light and not heavy like many other restaurants in Italy. Also the portion amounts are small, but they are cheap so you can order two. Another need-to-know is that water isn't free so you will have to buy a bottle of water. But all in all, It is a great restaurant.

Gelato- One of the greatest delights of Italian food, ice-cream also called gelato. The gelato all around Italy is great, but under a personal opinion, the gelato at Venice is better then that of all of Italy. The shop and the concept does not really matter. The rich savory taste will be with you for the rest of the day.

Kids' Views of the Doge Palace

The Doge Palace is one of the few places in Venice that is really worth going to and one of the places of the world that people of all ages will enjoy. The artwork and the scenery may be boring for a lot of kids but the views and the maps is something they will enjoy. There are two places also where kids will really enjoy it.

The Armory Room- It is an amazing place where the whole armory of the Doge's palace can be found. They have every kind of weapon in their arsenal. They have swords from big hulking broadswords for cutting and slashing from the mideival ages to the fine tipped presicion lunging swords of the Reinassance. Another thing is the long rage weapons. They have the earliest bows made by the kings and queens of the middle ages and they also have the porcelain guns of the Chinese. The advantage of this is the poison in porcelain enhanced the poison of the lead in the bullet. One of the highlights of the armory room is the armor sent by King George.

The armor that was sent by King George was made out of some of the strongest metal in the world. To make sure of that it was tested by some of today’s highest quality bullets. To many’s amazement the armor withstood the impact of the bullet and it bounced off. If you look to the left side of the armor, you can see the small bullet dent in the armor.

Another part of the Doge’s Palace that is really interesting is the prisons. The prisons are a maze of twisting passageways that are easy to get lost in. However if you keep on following the signs you should be okay. It isn’t okay to take pictures in the Doge palace inside nor is it okay to take video. The only place were it is okay to take video is in the places where it says it is okay to take pictures and video.

San Marco’s Square for Kids

San Marco’s square is one of the highlights of Venice. Located next to the Grand Canal, San Marco's square has its own water bus (Vaporetto) stop. The square itself has many souvenir shops and carts. Gelato is available at several stores lining the square although it is forbidden to eat while sitting down on the steps entering San Marco's square. Tired kids and their parents can sit in one of the sidewalk cafes and enjoy the live music that is frequently playing. In the center, tourists and pigeons gather for photo opportunities and bread crumbs. The square is a busy place but there is still room for kids to run around before entering the basilica or even better, the prison that housed Casanova.

The Bell Tower of San Marcos Square

The Bell Tower of San Marcos Square may be something that a lot of people will enjoy including kids. The entrance ticket to go to the top is only 3 euros as it is very cheap. You can take an elevator. The line for the bell tower is very long, so it is better to go around 5 o’clock in the evening. You go up in a very spacious elevator to the top of the tower. The interesting part that a lot kids may enjoy are the binocular seeing stands. There is one on each side of the tower. Each works by putting a one euro coin. Also try not to go on the hour or on the half hour as the bell tower will ring and that can be very scary and loud and it will frighten most kids.

Saint Marks Basilica

Saint Marks Basilica is a place that isn’t exactly for most kids. However if your kid is a history nut, you may find that area very interesting. You cannot take cameras or backpacks into the Basilica so they will send you on a long search to find the cloak room. However if you see the entrance for a concert hall go in there. From there you go straight towards the aisle in the middle. From there if you take a left you will immediately see the area in which you can give your bag. Inside the Basilica is free but it is just a small walk so it will get boring. But there are separate tickets you can buy inside the Basilica to go up to the dome and other things like that. So all in all I would say it is sort of a boring place.

Kids’ View of Murano

The Murano glass making tour is one of the most interesting part of Venice. Usually instead of going overboard and paying for a tour, check with your hotel if they have a free tour package for the Murano glass making tour. It is really fun and kids will enjoy seeing how glass is being made into different shapes. But the best part of the tour that kids will enjoy is the water taxi ride back into town. The water taxi literally just skips on top of the water back. The taxi drops you at San Marco’s Square and from there you have to make your way back to wherever you want to go.

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