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Wales

I don't know what happened with Mid Wales, I meant to reduce the city number to 9 but I guess I missed Newtown. The reason I'd originally included Knigton was because of its proximity to Offa's Dyke. Still, I'll confess I'm no expert on the region so if you think there's another town that would be a better replacement (Newtown, Bulith Wells or any other town in the region) then I'll change the map accordingly. Regarding Glamorgan, I should have left a message on the talk page explaining this, but while making the map of South Wales it became pretty clear that the new administrative areas were much, much smaller than Pembrokeshire, Monmouthshire and Carmarthenshire, and probably too small to make useful articles out of (the Central Belt in Scotland had similar problems). I figured lumping them all together as Glamorgan, which, though it doesn't exist as a legal administrative area any more, is still a region that can be defined, was the lesser of two evils as it would probably be a more useful division for people visiting the area, even if it's technically incorrect. That being said, if you think that sticking to the administrative boundaries would be a better solution I'll be happy to draw up a new map. --(WT-en) Paul. 07:58, 20 November 2006 (EST)

Thanks for the input on Mid Wales, I was often making stabs in the dark when drafting the maps so it's good to get corrections from people who know the area better. The new map has now been uploaded, it's not showing up on the page at the moment (it'll take a few minutes for the cache to update) but you can click on the link to see the new version. Nice job with the Glamorgan page, as well, that's a very good and succinct way of getting the message across to anyone who might be confused. I've got a couple more Scottish maps to upload but when I've finished them I'll upload the map of Glamorgan I've done and fill in the city list accordingly. --(WT-en) Paul. 08:26, 20 November 2006 (EST)

Hmm, that does raise somewhat of a pickle, as it would mean having to change the Monmouthshire border from the current to the historical border as well. Maybe lumping all the tiny districts together as Glamorgan wasn't quite the elegant solution I thought it was. I guess I could change the Monmouthshire border as well, or another solution might be to change the name of the "Glamorgan" area to something more neutral, say "Mid South Wales". What do you think? --(WT-en) Paul. 23:39, 20 November 2006 (EST)

Personally I'd rather keep Pembrokeshire and Carmarthenshire separate as it seems to me the two counties offer quite distinct attractions and characters, so I'm not sure putting them, and the Swansea/Neath Port Talbot area which is distinct again, is ideal. I take your point that the "Mid South Wales" area would be weird, though. I managed to find a map of the old county borders and have drafted a map which replaces the current Monmouthshire and "Glamorgan" with Gwent and a more accurate Glamorgan. I've uploaded the file here so you can have a look and see if it seems a reasonable solution. --(WT-en) Paul. 01:58, 21 November 2006 (EST)

OK, I've changed the South Wales and Glamorgan maps and changed Monmouthshire into Gwent. If you could add the same kind of text to the Gwent page you added to the Glamorgan page, explaining its status, that would be great. Thanks for the input on all this, now I've just got to try to placate the Leeds mob, *sigh*. Ironically enough I've been to Leeds a few times and really like the place (though that feeling is diminishing somewhat now), and they've actually done really good work on the Leeds article iteself. I just wish I could get through the message that not every decision needs to be made on the basis of how it impacts Leeds. --(WT-en) Paul. 03:22, 22 November 2006 (EST)

Hey, sorry for the late reply. The new text in Gwent seems fine to me, so I guess that's that all wrapped up then. I'll probably be adding maps to all the other Welsh counties later on so if you catch a mistake be sure to let me know. Thanks for all the help. --(WT-en) Paul. 15:18, 24 November 2006 (EST)

Pictures

You were dead right about that lead pic - it wasn't exactly saying "Come to Wales" or even "read on". I'm not sure you're right about the new one not being indicative of Wales - it's got sheep in it and a nice view so it touches the main bases! If I spot anything more suitable while trawling around I'll let you know. Your change to the main pic has spurred me to add a couple of other pics (ones I had already used on individual destination articles) further down the text - the whole article was a bit light on illustrations. Have you looked at Flickr [1] for pictures? There's an option under their advanced search to look for Creative Commons licensed material. That's where I've lifted some of the pics I've been adding from. Geograph[2] is also good if you're looking for pics of a specific location. I think everything on that is Creative Commons licensed. (WT-en) Tarr3n 11:11, 13 August 2008 (EDT)

Good work!

Nice cleanups on Swansea, etc! Just wanted to point out to you the templates for hotels, activities, etc... since you're doing so much manual of style work, you might as well convert listings using those  :) If you haven't seen them already, they're accessible right from the "edit" box when you're editing a page, just scroll down a bit... they look like this:

• listing name="" address="" phone="" email="" fax="" hours="" price="" url=""></listing>

Thanks again! (WT-en) ::: Cacahuate 11:57, 22 January 2007 (EST)