Talk:Bandung

Pictures anyone?

This article can be improved through adding some pictures from Bandung. Possible pictures are:

• pictures of Angkot,
• pictures of a landmark building, to replace the old gedung sate picture, and
• pictures of some local foods: siomay, batagor, mi kocok?

To avoid copyright issues, it would be good if the pictures are taken by yourself.(WT-en) Urang bandung 08:54, 21 July 2006 (EDT)

Wikipedia and its Commons have a few CC-BY-SA images we could use, such as [1] [2]. Another resource is to search in http://flickr.com/creativecommons/by-sa-2.0/ and http://flickr.com/creativecommons/by-2.0/ (both of which have Wikivoyage-compatible licenses). - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 09:32, 21 July 2006 (EDT)

Now I'm a bit confused. According to image policy, only CC-BY-SA ver. 1.0 that is allowed in Wikivoyage. Are other versions of CC compatible here? -- (WT-en) Urang bandung 05:13, 24 July 2006 (EDT)

That's actually a very difficult question... but Evan seems to think that the answer is "yes". (WT-en) Jpatokal 05:19, 24 July 2006 (EDT)

Good to know. Anyway there's no worth pictures from CC-BY-SA mentioned above for Bandung. They are not representative. I need somebody's help to finish this article with pictures, but I don't live there, currently. Sigh. --- (WT-en) Urang bandung 10:31, 25 July 2006 (EDT)

How about attribution to source of pictures (even better its creator)? I see photo about "request about angkot to stop" is taken from The Famous Dago Street, Bandung. 202.138.226.2 08:00, 11 August 2006 (EDT)

The image is CC by-sa licensed and correctly attributed, see Image:Angkot.jpg. (WT-en) Jpatokal 08:04, 11 August 2006 (EDT)

Hotel and Restaurant Classification

Is it possible to split hotel and restaurant into "budget", "mid-range" and "splurge"?

Would be better to classify by area first (most of the questions in other Bandung travel forums). Then for each hotel we can specify the prices. Like in most travel books. (WT-en) Kristy Whanarahardja 28/01/07

Surely most travellers decide their budget first, and then figure out where to stay? However, for really big towns, the city can be split into districts. I'm not sure Bandung needs this though. (WT-en) Jpatokal 05:37, 28 January 2007 (EST)

urang bandung, i just wanted to say thank you for a very good article! your work is certainly appreciated :-) -anonymous Canadian dude

Currently Bandung is developing a lot with good Indonesian economy. I have put the districts/area information in the guide, anyone has an idea of what should we do after this to reach a Star status?(WT-en) Hosana.k 04:04, 11 February 2012 (EST)

Telephone format inconsistency

As you can see, there are different format for telephone. And I would like to standardize into (which I believe, ITU format) +International_number Area_Code PhoneNumber for example +62 22 911.

Other way is to add Area Code information in top section and remove all International_number and Area_code at all. Since all these place was located in Bandung, it would be safe to assume International number and Area code would be +62 22 xxx

• Our standard approach is to include the country code in italics, followed by the number you'd dial locally. See Project:Phone numbers. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 07:03, 20 June 2007 (EDT)

The Meaning of "Kota Kembang"

I'm not saying that your writing was totally wrong or anything, it's just that I don't think it's fair to suggest that the "kembang" (blossom) in "Kota Kembang" refers to the ladies, because there are some other opinions as well. I admit, I always thought that "kembang" in "Kota Kembang" refers to the flowers, I know, silly me right. But just recently I had the chance to speak with the people in Bandung tourism office, and Mr. Raksanagara himself told me about how wrong I was thinking that way. The "Kembang" actually refers to "berkembang" (lit.blossoming) in a sense of "developing" ("Developing Country" in Bahasa Indonesia is "Negara Berkembang"). It was called that way because it developed so much from a serene and cool tea plantation site, to trendy resort city for the Dutch and other Europeans, to a city of Indonesia's revolution against the colonial Dutch, to the city of Asian-African Conference, to favorite weekend getaway for Jakartans, and so on.

So yeah, that's the official scenario. But like I said, I'm not saying that other stories are wrong either. I think it'd only be fair if we explain all of the possible meanings of "kembang" in this context; the ladies (and the gentlemen too, why not. I'm sure mr. Urang Bandung himself is a very handsome man), the development, or even the actual flowers themselves, because there are still alot of flower plantations in the suburbs.(WT-en) Jiwa Matahari 04:55, 13 August 2007 (EDT)

Article Status

As good as this article is (very), it should not have guide status as none of the listings are in WT template format. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 12:12, 30 September 2009 (EDT)

AFAIK templated listings are not a requirement for guide status. (WT-en) Jpatokal 23:09, 30 September 2009 (EDT)

Jakarta Airport Transfer

Moved listing from article, possible Tours listing and appears to be a Jakarta based service offering services from Jakarta, including airport transfers from CGK-Bandung. Bandung car rental services are not described on their website, they have a Jakarta address and tel number. Bandung is presented more in the context of day tours and accommodation bookings. Appear to be a legitimate Jakarta based service but not a Bandung car rental or driver with car provider. Their( Jakarta) prices are also quite absurd. (WT-en) felix 11:00, 25 July 2011 (EDT)

• <listing name="Jakarta Airport Transfer" alt="" directions="" address=" Jl Jembatan Tiga Raya 5AH, Jakarta Utara" phone="+62 21 9062 2754 (Jakarta)" email="Info@jakartaairporttransfer.com" fax="" url="http://www.jakartaairporttransfer.com/ hours="" price="">Whole day car hire in Bandung with driver available, option of stopovers at Puncak, Bogor, Cirebon. Choice of economy (7 seater) or jumbo vehicle (15 seater). Online reservation and instant confirmation available.</listing>

The listing has recently also appeared in the Jakarta article and been edited accordingly in that article. -- (WT-en) felix 11:37, 26 July 2011 (EDT)

District discussion

I seems like someone (probably back on WT) put a lot of effort into defining districts, color schemes and a map for this article.

Because the districts are (by self admission) unofficial, it is going to require someone with very good local knowledge to actually create these districts and move content down. (unfortunately I only spent one day there, so I can't do it myself)

Since I believe this will not happen in the short term, is it OK to move the content in districts to this talk page (for safe keeping) and replace with a dynamic map for now? Andrewssi2 (talk) 13:40, 18 March 2014 (UTC)

I moved the following from the article page, since we need someone to complete this work before it can be of use.

A district discussion template has been placed on the article instead. Andrewssi2 (talk) 00:28, 20 March 2014 (UTC)

Traditionally, Urang Bandung (Bandung person) know exactly when we say North, means north of Railways from West to East. And before change of the name there are West Big Road and East Big Road, West is from Alun-alun (Central Park) to the west and East is from five intersection (Prapatan Lima) to the east. Central part is around Alun-alun, but people only say near Alun-alun, so no specific boundary of it. People tend to divide Bandung to 4 parts only and even North and South only, because south area is plain and north area is hilly, north area has more big houses and parks and south area is the reverse.Gsarwa (talk) 03:55, 6 June 2014 (UTC)

This discussion of 2.5 years ago is still relevant, I think. Considering the size of the city of Bandung, and the information already available on the article page, it makes sense to make Bandung a 'huge city' with districts. The proposal below, however, has too many districts in my opinion (Jakarta has 5, so Bandung shouldn't need 11). My proposal would be to districtify Bandung as follows:

• Central Bandung: more or less Kota, Upper Central and City Hall Area of the proposal below. Bordered by Jl. Pajajaran and the Riau Junction mall in the north, Jl. Arjuna and Jl. Astana Anyar in the west, Jl. Pungkur in the south, and Jl. Karapitan, Jl. Sunda, and Jl. Sumbawa in the east.
  • Alun-Alun, Braga, railway station, Bandung Indah Plaza, Hilton hotel, ...
• Dago: Dago Area, Upper Dago Area, and the western part of the Riau/Gedung Sate area. Western border is the river.
  • ITB campus, Gedung Sate, upper Dago area including THR Juanda, Sheraton hotel, ...
• East Bandung: eastern part of Riau/Gedung Sate area, eastern part of City Hall area, and east of the river.
  • Cicaheum bus terminal, Saung Angklung Udjo, Trans Studio Bandung, Gedebage stadium, Buah Batu...
• South Bandung: South of Central Bandung, west of the river, and south of Jl. Jendral Sudirman and Jl. Raya Cibeureum.
  • Leuwi Panjang bus terminal, Cibaduyut shoes centre, Festival Citylink, Kopo, ...
• Northwest Bandung: Cipaganti/Cihampelas Area, and everything west and north of that. Eastern border is the river.
  • Airport, Pasteur, Paris Van Java, Ciumbeleuit, Ciwalk, Setiabudi, ...

Gsarwa (and others, of course), what do you think about this division? I can try to prepare a map, once boundaries are somewhat clear. --ErwinFCG (talk) 10:47, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

First, many streets in Bandung are not straight and not as a grid, so it is difficult to make boundaries among 'districts'. There are no clear 'district' in Bandung, since colonial era. But old Bandung, can easy to recognize with street names, such as river name: Cisangkuy, Cilaki, etc, wayang name: Kresna, Bima, etc, fruit name: Mangga, Duku, etc. Expanded Bandung is not organized well, but some of it can be recognized with street name also, such as Sukaluyu area or Sukasenang area. So make streets as boundaries of a 'district' maybe helpful, if we know exactly every area in Bandung.

Talking 'district' in Bandung below, I think is too much. So, maybe combination of proposed 'district' above and below should be combined. But tourists needed should be accomodated.

I propose:

West which Husein Airport is located

Northwest: Cipaganti, Cihampelas, Sukajadi, Setiabudhi and also Surya Sumantri and Setrasari (so north of Wastukencana and north of Terusan Pastuer and certainly Terusan Pasteur itself)

North: Dago, Upper Dago, Riau and Gedung Sate area (Northwest area and North area are full with hotels and restaurants and factory outlets)

East

Central and South Central

Southwest

Southeast (South Central, Southwest and Southeast can be combined as South only due to there are no special interest for tourist there, especially for foreign touristsGsarwa (talk) 14:02, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Thank you Gsarwa. If I compare your proposal (including combining South Central, Southwest and Southeast) to mine, I think the main difference between our proposals is that you split my 'Northwest' into two districts: West and Northwest. I think apart from the airport, West would not include many points of interest. What do you think? I think I will try to prepare a map anyway, because it will be easier to discuss based on a map with actual borders. --ErwinFCG (talk) 14:21, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Bandung districts proposal

A first attempt at a map. I added a few key places and main roads to the map for orientation. --ErwinFCG (talk) 15:09, 25 November 2016 (UTC)

Sorry, in your first map proposal, the yellow color is too much and maybe some Bandungers will laugh, because southern Bandung is south of the railway and south of Lingkar Selatan street is clearly south of Bandung.

Sorry too, if I cannot give imagine to you with my proposal, but I will added some streets for your correction.

First, we must settle North: Dago, Upper Dago, Riau and Gedung Sate area. East of Taman Sari, North of Wastukencana and Wastukencana itself, but only north of Riau and certainly Riau itself, West of Gasibu and Dipatiukur and Dipatiukur itself. At Diponegoro, west of Katamso intersection and at Riau until west of Gandapura intersection. It rather ridiculous, because we will get "L" shape, but it is main area for tourists.

Second, we must settle Northwest: Cipaganti, Cihampelas, Sukajadi, Setiabudhi and also Surya Sumantri and Setrasari. West of Tanansari, but easier to make border along Cikanpundung river to the north, so Rancabentang, Ciumbuleuit and Hegarmanah will be included. West and North borders, certainly Bandung borders itself. North of Terusan Pasteur and Terusan Pasteur itself and then the toll road as a border. So, Husein Airport and Pandu Cemetery will be in the west area.

To combine West and Nortwest area, certainly can, but both are separate area. It is difficult for tourists from Terusan Pasteur to Husein Airport, because one way direction applied, median street at Terusan Pasteur itself, traffic jams in both direction of Terusan Pasteur and maybe face to small roads (Jalan Tikus), if we don't want to use big road.

I think, if we can settle the two or three area above first, the rest will be easier. It is better to add also the railways, because the Trans Studio certainly in the south area. Southern Bandung area will be a huge area, but it is not tourists area.Gsarwa (talk) 06:06, 26 November 2016 (UTC)

Thank you Gsarwa. I have updated the map based on your suggestions. South is now everything south of the railway, except for the part that is the city centre. I have also added the railway itself and more roads, to make the map easier to understand. For the border between North and Northwest, I have done as you said. West and Northwest are still combined, becase a separate district West would be very small (only the part between Pasteur and the railway, so practically only the airport. For the border between North and East, I have also followed more or less as you said, except I have not used the Riau/Gandapura intersection, but the Riau/Lombok intersection. I think it is not necessary to make the L-shape because it is the main area for tourists, because making districts is not about putting all main areas for tourists in the same district. I hope it starts to look like something you can agree with! --ErwinFCG (talk) 10:03, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Based on the content that's already in the article, it's not totally obvious that districting is needed, but I'm assuming that you plan on adding a good deal of content, correct? Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:41, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Yes, I have started to update all listings so they are in line with the Manual of Style (including geotagging). Once that is done (and preferably once districts have been separated) I plan to start adding additional listings (especially also See and Do). --ErwinFCG (talk) 14:43, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

I agree with your busy jobs, but maybe some improvements will make it better. It doesn't matter that you pull the border to Lombok-Riau intersection, so KFC and Gudeg Banda will be still included in North/Dago-Riau area. I don't know exactly the border of Southwest and Southeast of Bandung. But I think grey color of left and right of purple color in your proposal are still Bandung area. Pahlawan, Cicaheum and Cibiru are in the east, but Gedebage some people say is in the east some people say is in the south. To make it as all South is OK, but Bandungers usually still say it as West and East. I hope my comment is not bother you.Gsarwa (talk) 16:32, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

Hi Gsarwa, your comments do certainly not bother me. Together we can make this travel guide better :). You are right, I made a mistake with Gedebage. It is now included. Other grey areas are outside Kota Bandung. Of course, listings (e.g. restaurants or sights) that are just outside of Kota Bandung can still be listed in the district articles (for example, Kopo Square can be listed in South Bandung, even though it is in kec. Margahayu, kab. Bandung).

Whether Gedebage is South Bandung or East Bandung does not really matter I think, but it seems the most clear to use the railway as the border. If you want Gedebage as part of East Bandung, where do you think the border between South and East is? And apart from that, are there other things about the map that you think should be changed? --ErwinFCG (talk) 09:12, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Previously, Bandung is only a small town with population less than 1 million. The old of Bandung area is also small, but after several expansion, I think nowadays Bandung city area becomes more than twice. So, old Bandungers only know abouth North and South of Bandung. Nowadays Pusdai is located in old Cihaurgeulis Market and behind the old market before is paddy fields. Sukaluyu, Sukasenang and Antapani is new area, Surya Sumantri and Setra Sari is also same, but Sukajadi and Setiabudhi have already exist. Certainly there are no toll road before. If I don't mistaken all of south of Lingkar Selatan is outside Bandung previously. So, if South and East Bandung area in the propose map nowadays are large, because both area are relatively new in historical age and built in post 1970. Relatively no tourist attraction there, except Trans Studio. Tourist area is only in North Bandung as prime area and is followed by Northwest area as the second. In map, it is better to put Unpar, Unpad and Maranatha as a landmark position due to Bandung is still a 'student city' and Tubagus Ismail area is prime area for kost-kost-an (but I think it is not necessarry to put Tubagus Ismail in the map). Trans Studio, certainly should be included in the map, beside of Ciwalk and Paris van Java.Gsarwa (talk) 13:45, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Thanks, Gsarwa. I have added PVJ, Ciwalk, Trans Studio and a few other blue dots to the map. Apart from ITB, I think the other universities are not travel destinations. Same for Tubagus Ismail: that there are many student dorms (I also lived in a student dorm there) does not mean it is a tourist attraction. Is the map okay now? --ErwinFCG (talk) 15:42, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

That's good job, I appreciated. I think it is ready to launch. If, there are any lacks, it can be improved later.Gsarwa (talk) 13:47, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

Districts based on discussion above

Based on the discussion above I would like to implement the districts as follows. If there are no further comments, I will do so later this week. --ErwinFCG (talk) 10:16, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

@ErwinFCG Simpicity at mind, maybe from we could add West bandung to cover the western part (around Cimahi) and the missing south part. Veracious (talk) 08:28, 9 August 2023 (UTC)

Districts of Bandung

Central Bandung Bandung's city centre, with at its heart the Alun-alun lawn square. The district includes part of the historic Great Post Road (Jalan Asia Afrika), along which Bandung was established, and the main railway station.

North Bandung Colonial era villas, government buildings, and the ITB university campus along Jalan Dago that runs from the city centre into the hills. Nowadays, this is the centre for restaurants, cafés, and factory outlet stores.

Northwest Bandung Ample opportunities for shopping, from the Jalan Cihampelas 'jeans street' to the extensive Paris Van Java shopping mall. Northwest Bandung also includes the main road into the mountains of Lembang, and the airport.

South Bandung Vast residential areas on Bandung's southern plain. A highlight for travellers is Trans Studio, one of the biggest indoor theme parks in the world.

East Bandung More residential areas. Saung Angklung Udjo, a cultural centre with traditional Sundanese music performances, is in this district.

The Greater Bandung Metropolitan Area (Bandung Raya) has a population of more than 8 million, and extends well beyond the city of Bandung (Kota Bandung). The city of Cimahi in the west is Bandung's largest suburb. For travellers, the surroundings of Lembang in the north and Ciwidey in the south are among the highlights of Greater Bandung.

Districts

In this page, Bandung is divided into unofficial districts that are used mainly for traveling purposes only. The districts below are listed from top to bottom, from left to right.

Bandung's district map

Bandung West Mainly industrial and residential area. Also contains Hussein Sastranegara International Airport and also the Aircraft industry. This region is connected to the west with Cimahi and Padalarang where you can find more industries, and also the Kota Baru Parahyangan (residential area).

Bandung North Mainly contains the up and coming residential area in the north part of Bandung. The air is considerably cooler here so it is preferable for residential area. Still need some progress for well managed residential area but in some enclave it already has upscale residential area. This region also contains many universities. Contains malls like Paris Van Java malls and Bandung Trade Center. Jalan Setiabudi in the north also has a row of Factory Outlets and in process of gentrification. Further north from this region are more residential suburb that seeks Bandung's fresher air. Note that the famous Lembang and Kampung Daun are north of this area.

Cipaganti and Cihampelas Areal Two long strips that contains upscale residential area (on Jalan Cipaganti) and Bandung's jeans center (on Jalan Cihampelas). Stride on small streets between those two main street and you will find more relaxed residential area with some nice cafes dotting the area. Cihampelas Walk Mall (open concept) is in this area. Travel service from Jakarta mostly have terminal in this area.

Dago Area In the colonial era, this is the favorite residential area for rich people. Currently you can find row of factory outlets, restaurants, and hotel along Jalan Dago (Jalan Ir. H. Juanda). Together with Riau/Gedung Sate Area, this part of the city is undergoing a tremendous change in the process of gentrification. You can find the Bandung Institute of Technology and Bandung Zoo here. The area is nice to explore, possible on foot but preferable by car.

Upper Dago Area Another upscale residential area in the hilly part of the city. It boasts many restaurants that overlooking Bandung basin and you can see the city light in the evening. Some nice cafes and art gallery have found a way in here.

Bandung East Contains middle class residential area in the vast area further to the east of Bandung. Contains the Saung Angklung Mang Udjo.

Riau/Gedung Sate Area Part of the historical colonial government complex which is very planned and nice to explore on foot. Together with Dago area, this part of the city is undergoing tremendous change in the process of gentrification. You can find many restaurants and factory outlets in this area. A lot of trees shading the road making this area a perfect location for cafes. Be sure to stop by Gedung Sate as the architectural heritage in Bandung.

Upper Central Area This is the new important business area in Bandung. Contains Bandung's railway station, Paskal Hypersquare, and Istana Plaza Mall.

City Hall Area Also part of the historical colonial government complex similar like Riau/Gedung Sate Area. But this area has more building that still functional as government / military building. Broad road and big government complexes mark the area. Contains Bandung's city hall, the central bank office, Bandung's cathedral, and many more historical building. Together with Riau and Dago Area, a lot of architectural sights here. The famous Braga street is here.

Kota Area This is a very busy business and China town area. Contains Pasar Baru Trade Center with its grand bazaar style. On weekdays continually suffering from traffic jam.

Bandung South A vast area that is dense with residential, business, and industrial area. Majority are not a tourist area except some dots like the shoes production center in Cibaduyut. Contains a lot of textile and garment industry that is the main industry in Bandung area.

Wikipedia-style train schedule plus country-wide train advice

I've moved this here from the article, so that people can glean useful, pertinent information from it, without it taking up space:

Unlike other countries, Indonesia does not use numbers for their train service. As a rule of thumb, the highest standard will be given by 'Argo' class train.

Train services

Train names	Routes	Coaches	Duration	Price	Frequency	Depart to / Arrive From
Argo Parahyangan	Gambir (Jakarta) - Bandung	Exe, Bus	3hr 10m	Rp 60,000 & Rp 30,000	6 (weekdays), 8 (weekend)	BD
Argo Wilis	Gubeng (Surabaya) - Bandung	Exe	13hr	Rp 220,000	1	BD
Turangga	Gubeng (Surabaya) - Bandung	Exe	13hr	Rp 240,000	1	BD
Mutiara Selatan	Gubeng (Surabaya) - Bandung	Bus	12h40m	Rp 120,000	1	BD / KAC
Harina	Semarang - Bandung	Exe, Bus	7h10m	Rp 120,000	1	BD
Malabar	Malang - Bandung	Exe, Bus, Eco	15hr	Rp 250,000	1	BD / KAC
Lodaya Malam	Balapan (Solo) - Bandung	Exe, Bus	16hr	Rp 130,000 & Rp 80,000	1 (night)	BD / KAC
Lodaya Pagi	Balapan (Solo) - Bandung	Exe, Bus	15hr	Rp 150,000 & Rp 90,000	1 (daytime)	BD / KAC
Pasundan	Gubeng (Surabaya) - Bandung	Eco			1	KAC
Kahuripan	Kediri - Bandung	Eco			1	KAC
Serayu	Kroya - Bandung	Eco	6hr 20m		2x daily	KAC
Serayu	Kota (Jakarta) - Bandung	Eco	3hr 15m		2x daily	KAC
Baraya Geulis	Padalarang - Bandung - Cicalengka	Bus	1hr 22m	Rp 8,000	Daily 10x to PDL; 2x to CLK
KA Cibatu	Purwakarta - Bandung	Eco			1
KA Cibatu	Cibatu - Bandung	Eco			1
KA Cianjur	Cianjur - Bandung	Eco			2
KRD Patas	Cicalengka - Bandung	Eco	36m		9x daily
KRD Bandung Raya	Padalarang - Bandung - Cicalengka	Eco	1hr 19m		9x daily

1. BD = 1 Bandung Station, KAC = 2 Kiaracondong Station.
2. Exe = executive class, Bus = business class, Eco = economy class.

Note: Economy class is not air conditioned and are not recommended. Business class is also not air conditioned, also not recommended, use it only if you cannot get the executive class. Executive class is comfortable and air conditioned.

1. Duration is total duration from end to end station.

Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:36, 6 August 2014 (UTC)