User talk:Jpatokal/2010-2012

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What to do? --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) talk 09:28, 17 December 2009 (EST)

Discussions for youEdit

Hey Jani, your opinion is desired at Talk:Singapore#New article for Pulau Ubin?. Also, I wondered if you might have any advice re this map of the Maldives—it was an unusually tricky map to create. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 13:54, 11 January 2010 (EST)

Any Bali feedbackEdit

I guess you got back safely :) Hope all went well. If you have any feedback on Bali listings (or new ones), please fire away. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 03:31, 13 January 2010 (EST)


It might have taken a while, but there is now a reply to your comment here. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 00:24, 19 January 2010 (EST)

(ja) バタム島Edit

先日JpatokalさんがSharedにアップしたバタム島の画像を日本語版にも使わせていただきました。できればお時間があるときに"NagoyaHill FoodStreet"(「名古屋ヒル?」面白い名前ですね :-) )の簡単な解説を書いてもらえませんか?よろしくお願いします--(WT-en) Shoestring 15:53, 2 February 2010 (EST)

ナゴヤ・ヒルだけでなく、いろいろ加筆していただいてありがとうございました。やはり名古屋が関係している名前でしたか。--(WT-en) Shoestring 08:27, 3 February 2010 (EST)

Make sure you are sitting down...Edit

....when you read this. That Ubud won the award for top city in Asia is just about believable, but one hell of an achievement nonetheless. But this? If you take the top scores of all cities in the world, Ubud is fifth! I am stunned. Bali sadly lost (just) its perennial top island spot to The Maldives. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 02:50, 8 February 2010 (EST)


I never knew there was something like this on the wikia projects until I saw your profile on wiktionary :) I like it, it's pretty fun. Haven't you ever visited the Netherlands? We like to welcome you soon! 14:08, 15 February 2010 (EST)

Naming conventionsEdit

There's a lengthy discussion at Project:Naming conventions#Latin Characters, and a point was raised about why Vietnamese is an exception to the "use the Latin alphabet including accents/diacritics" rule. Since you wrote Project:Romanization#Vietnamese you would seem to be the expert on the matter, so can you add your thoughts? Thanks! -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 22:51, 16 February 2010 (EST)


Hi Jani. You might not be aware that Riverside has been up for Star Nomination for ages now? I thought you might want to comment.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 04:45, 17 February 2010 (EST)


As you are probably the only regular Wikivoyager who is not me that has been to Ubud this year, it would be great if you could comment on the starnom :). Cheers.

New adminEdit

Globe-trotter's switch is ready to be flipped. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 12:29, 23 March 2010 (EDT)

Help with mapmakingEdit

I've been trying to use the osmatravel scripts (I run Linux) to make a map of Riga, but I have a hard time understanding some of the instructions, namely where I'm supposed to draw the boundary and how I'm supposed to configure the tags.

Thanks, (WT-en) Rastapopulous 15:07, 15 April 2010 (EDT)

I want to serve the Chinese bureaucracy, the operator.Edit

I want to serve the Chinese bureaucracy, the operator.

please give me Chinese sysop and bureaucrats Thanks you.

--(WT-en) 用戶 03:21, 15 July 2010 (EDT)


see ZH

Enabling the Add Listing featureEdit

Hi there. I've been trying to get the listing form editor working for pt:. I added the edit tools successfully and I've translated the labels for the listings editor and they show up fine in Portuguese when you access it from the edit button of a listing already in template format (example: pt:Viana do Castelo#Coma, but there is no section button to add a listing. Do you know how to enable that? (WT-en) Texugo 01:19, 7 September 2010 (EDT)

Not sure, Internet Brands probably needs to do some magic... (WT-en) Jpatokal 07:10, 7 September 2010 (EDT)

It was some time ago, but if I remember correctly, all I had to do, was to copy the Wikivoyage:Edit tools from here to wt:nl to make it work. --(WT-en) Rein N. 07:34, 7 September 2010 (EDT)


Hi, Jpatokal I noticed that "User:Msnhinet8" in Chinese wikitraval might be a vandalist who was blocked at Chinese wikipedia. I think adminins may have to watch him/her. Thanks. (WT-en) Mok 21:09, 10 September 2010 (EDT)

Navigation boxEdit

Hi. I wonder if you could tell me how to edit the main left-hand navigation box. Pt:'s navigation box doesn't have a link to its traveller's pub. (WT-en) Texugo 23:17, 16 September 2010 (EDT)

I think only admin/bureaucrats (maybe even just the tech crew) can do that. I brought up another issue regarding interlanguage links from Main Pages and recent changes here [1]. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 01:23, 17 September 2010 (EDT)
Edit pt:MediaWiki:Sidebar. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 01:19, 18 September 2010 (EDT)
Thanks Peter! Problem solved. (WT-en) Texugo 01:26, 18 September 2010 (EDT)




またお時間のあるときに日本語版にも遊びに来てください(よろしくお願いします)。--(WT-en) Shoestring 07:11, 13 November 2010 (EST)


Hi. Please clarify -> Talk:Delhi, thanks. (WT-en) Upamanyuwikivoyage( Talk )( (WT-en) Travel ) • 05:57, 26 November 2010 (EST)

mysterious letterEdit

Hey Jani, there's this letter that looks like a p with the top poking out a little more than usual... I assume it's a Roman character since it is supported by my Nokia (the 9 wxyz key) while texting... Which letter is that exactly? (WT-en) upamanyu

Advice requested: Jeju page restructuringEdit

Hey mate, last week I gave the Jeju page a roadtest -- without a car -- and found it just horrendously difficult to use. Ended up relying on a fistful of soulless brochures and browsing over odds and ends of Jeju Life on my phone. Sure, theres info missing and lacking in places, but that stuff comes with time. My concern was that some of the info actually there was lain out in such a jumbled and confused manner that I couldn't use all of what was there. Basic navigation info proved confusing and I think that's related to the article structure. I've thought about this a bit and come up with what I feel is a solution, albeit a bit unorthodox so I want a second opinion. A cross between splitting the article and following a Huge City template-esque structure. As you seem to have a fairly large interest in the South Korean articles I figured you'd be a good one to ask. I've detailed the proposal and the rationale behind it on the Talk page and I'm quite willing to play around with it myself whilst adding bits and bobs I've picked up. If you get a moment, could you please have a quick read and throw me some feedback or an opinion?

Also, any advice (or links to advice) on making consistent "Wikivoyage-style" maps would be greatly appreciated as I can see a couple of articles begging for them. Cheers!

PS: Keep an eye out for snakes hey! I was living in Batchelor down beside Litchfield only a few years back for a few months. 4m python outside my door one night coming back from the pub. Harmless unlike the death adders I regularly spotted (have the photos to prove it too, my students scream if I pull them out). (WT-en) Snave 08:42, 31 January 2011 (EST)

Region and town quickbarsEdit

Hi there. How are you doing? A resurgent suggestion has come from a relatively new user about making quickbars for city and region articles, and I would really love to hear your opinion on it. When you get a chance, could you possibly join in this discussion? (WT-en) texugo 02:52, 21 May 2011 (EDT)

Suomen historiastaEdit

Sinulle on täällä kommentti.

Bangkok Airport BusEdit

Hey Jpatokal, are you sure the Bangkok Airport Bus has stopped operations? That would be a tragic loss, I've used it not that long ago! :( I am looking for a source for more information on this, but I cannot find any. Do you have one? --(WT-en) globe-trotter 08:15, 13 June 2011 (EDT)

Doesn't get much more official than this: [2] (WT-en) jpatokal 08:20, 16 June 2011 (EDT)
Thanks! --(WT-en) globe-trotter 10:24, 19 June 2011 (EDT)


It started 10/06 last time. (WT-en) Digr 13:09, 15 July 2011 (EDT)

Inappropriate discussionEdit

As should be obvious, especially in this case, fork discussions are not appropriate at WT. I have removed your two topics, as they amount to a backdoor method of undermining this community.--(WT-en) IBobi 16:14, 2 July 2012 (EDT)

There is no such thing as an "inappropriate discussion" on Wikivoyage: the previous Wikivoyage fork has been discussed here extensively, and the future fork will be discussed here as well, like it or not. Reverting Talk pages is considered vandalism, and your actions will be treated as censorship. You're in a hole already, stop digging it deeper. (WT-en) jpatokal 19:57, 2 July 2012 (EDT)
I certainly disagree that an action that can be taken by any Wikivoyageer (and was reverted in minutes) could be considered "censorship," even though I am an IB employee; I am also a WTer, and I used no tools or methods that are not available to even the most anonymous of editors. In addition, there is support in the community for the idea that fork talk is inappropriate, which is what led to my action. Completely within the rules of this project.
Just the same, as you have seen, at least 3 WTers have raised an issue with your discussion, and more specifically your links to the fork talk on WM. I see no support for discussing it on WT and two other admins asking for the links to be removed, so it's up to you, but you may consider removing the link to fall in line with community thinking on this. Thanks for listening.--(WT-en) IBobi 17:13, 10 July 2012 (EDT)
You've now inappropriately posted two links to the competing travel fork discussion and a link to your personal blog. Please remove these three external links as they directly contravene the policy against external links and competing travel sites on WT.--(WT-en) IBobi talk email 13:27, 12 July 2012 (EDT)
Make my day → Project:User ban nominations. (WT-en) jpatokal 20:56, 12 July 2012 (EDT)
The fork discussion thing is obviously unresolved and has no clear policy, while the external links policy ban on links to blogs applies only to content pages, not discussion pages. (WT-en) texugo 12:33, 13 July 2012 (EDT)

Hi Jani, I have again reverted your changes to the fi: sitenotice. Please do not use the sitenotice feature to promote or discuss a fork of Wikivoyage. You may see the discussion in the Pub for my reasons, of which I believe you are already aware. Thank you, --(WT-en) IBobi talk email 14:10, 23 July 2012 (EDT)

Wikivoyage language versions are independent, and 100% of the admins on the Finnish version -- that would be me and Trsqr -- are in favor of both the fork and sitenotice. So, vedä vittu päähän ja suksi suohon. (WT-en) jpatokal 09:29, 24 July 2012 (EDT)
This is a site issue, not a project issue. The host is responsible for the site, and has decided that the sitenotice is not to be used for that purpose and that purpose only. I've changed it back. It's an unique situation, and I appreciate your cooperation. Thanks, Jani.--(WT-en) IBobi talk email 14:12, 24 July 2012 (EDT)
&rarr: Project:Travellers'_pub#IB_vs_community_decisions (WT-en) jpatokal 07:11, 25 July 2012 (EDT)
IBobi: You have time to challenge site notes but IB/you are not capable of clearing a major mistake for more than a week? I think unless you start to behave properly and work with the community you simply should remain silent. (WT-en) Jc8136 14:39, 24 July 2012 (EDT)
Actually I'm doing both. I am not a technician, merely a tech liaison. As you can clearly see, if you're following the discussions, I and our tech department have been working on these issues diligently since last week, already having resolved one with a very significant site software upgrade to 1.17.5. We're still working on the deletion issue. Sometimes things take time. I'd appreciate your staying on the constructive side of this site; otherwise perhaps you'd care to leave? We'd prefer that you stay, Jan, but there is no need for hostility or for challenging those who are seeking to make this site run as well as it can.--(WT-en) IBobi talk email 18:02, 24 July 2012 (EDT)
Ibobi: I'm around here for more than six years on a voluntary basis and worked pretty hard over these years to make Wikivoyage a good page. IB didn't care about us for years. For you its just a job where you preffered to have a lazy weekend instead of working for Wikivoyage and clearing a major mistake. You write: "Sometimes things take time" I wonder if you would have waited with the update over the weekend if the blog of your mother would experience technical issues. I don't want to raise the emotions further and i will stay around and speak out the truth that you/IB does a minimal effort to keep Wikivoyage running. I have not come across anyone so far who supports your position that you/IB "make this site run as well as it can". I didn't challenge you, it's your/IBs inactivity that's appaling.(WT-en) Jc8136 03:30, 25 July 2012 (EDT)

Hi, Jc, As I said, we'd prefer that you stay. But accusing IB technicians of being lazy based on absolutely no information other than that it took some time to fix a security hole built into the MW software that we just upgraded is irresponsible and unfair. There are a lot of emotions and accusations being bandied about lately due to the ongoing fork discussion; but that does not affect our duties as hosts of this site. I simply ask that we be given credit for the work that we are doing and have been doing for some time now, rather than blaming everything on past troubles. This is and has been an earnest effort, and I'm sorry if you can't see that. Hopefully it will become more apparent in time. Meanwhile, thank you for your contributions as always. If you have further comments on this or other issues that have nothing to do with Jani's page, I suggest we discuss them at my page or yours. Thank you,--(WT-en) IBobi talk email 14:00, 25 July 2012 (EDT)

Files on http://en.wikivoyage-old.orgEdit


You have uploaded a lot of files on I asume it is you that is Jpatokal there and is the uploader of the files in

If yes could you perhaps help checking the files? Either check one by one and add a source and a license (source could be "by jpatokal" like on many photos). Or if you are sure you are the photographer unless there is a statement saying otherwise just add a notice on top of saying "All these are taken by me, Jpatokal, unless otherwise noted" or something like that. And we also need a license. You could perhaps also leave a note same place saying "All my files are licensed cc-by-sa-3.0 unless another license is mentioned.". If you do that I can add a license with my bot and move the files to Commons.

Thank you.--MGA73 (talk) 18:16, 29 November 2012 (UTC)

Thank you. I'll have a look shortly. Perhaps you could check ? There is only a few files left and on some of them there is a name that does not look like your name. If you have them from somewhere perhaps you could add a link or a small text explaining who the author is? --MGA73 (talk) 19:42, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Most of the files in has now been fixed. The rest needs to be checked one by one. Perhaps you could have a look when you have a free moment. --MGA73 (talk) 21:40, 30 November 2012 (UTC)
Brilliant, thanks! So for the rest:
File:Mustamakkara Tapola.JPG, File:TirtaEmpul HotSpring.JPG, File:GrandBahama ConchPeasRice.JPG are by friends or relatives traveling with me and I can certify that they're CC by-sa 3.0.
Hanover cityhall crop.jpg, Sibelius Monument in Helsinki.JPG, Thailand Ayutthaya Wat Phra Si Sanphet.jpg, File:KaoSoiChiangMai.jpg are by random people but are all PD/CC, the sources are linked from the descriptions.
The rest are all mine, although I'm not sure about the exact licensing of the OSM screenshots. (They're definitely free, just not quite sure what flavor of license...)
Let me know if there's something I need to do to make your bot happy. Jpatokal (talk) 09:57, 1 December 2012 (UTC)

Hi! I've been busy so I have not been looking into for a long time. But I just copied most of the files to Commons so there is not many left. Regarding the files taken by friends/relatives the best would be a mail to OTRS. And the files from other sources should have a working link if possible and the license should be mentioned on the source. --MGA73 (talk) 20:37, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

I also had a look at and the files need a license or a working link. Perhaps you could check and fix? If the files are no longer used you could also choose to delete them. --MGA73 (talk) 20:48, 18 December 2012 (UTC)

Have you been a naughty boy?Edit

IBobi thinks so Wikivoyage:Travellers'_pub#Jpatokal_unscrupulous_behavior_on_another_wiki_--_is_this_a_Wikivoyage_administrator.3F Pashley (talk) 20:22, 30 November 2012 (UTC)

He got blocked and that edit reverted. discussion has wandered some. see User_talk:IBobi, my WT talk page [3], the WT pub, maybe others. Pashley (talk) 00:36, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
In a word, WTF. I am no longer on WT, and I don't know what IBobi is trying to accomplish with his ridiculous shit-stirring, but I plan to ignore it. Jpatokal (talk) 09:43, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
The IP does track to your area of the world, and it's made WT edits before. If you say it's not you, that's good enough for me. LtPowers (talk) 15:07, 1 December 2012 (UTC)
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