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To help get you started contributing, we've created a tips for new contributors page, full of helpful links about policies and guidelines and style, as well as some important information on copyleft and basic stuff like how to edit a page. If you need help, check out Project:Help, or post a message in the travellers' pub.

That's the standard welcome; you might also want to check out Project:Welcome, Wikipedians (if you haven't already), which highlights Wikivoyage's idiosyncrasies. Thanks much for the comments (and especially the map!) at Talk:New York (state)#Regions again—sorry I missed your comment earlier, I've now responded. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 20:04, 26 May 2008 (EDT)

Thanks again for all the help with that! It's nice to see a new talented contributor pop up—I hope you stick around. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 04:51, 4 June 2008 (EDT)

Reducing lists to 9 edit

With regards to removing Penn Yan, I thought you might be interested in this discussion, where the consensus was to allow longer lists if the article hasn't actually been subdivided yet. Not that you were in error—like you said, that didn't even have an article yet. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 04:40, 6 June 2008 (EDT)

And to allow longer lists if the region article shouldn't be sub-divided :) – (WT-en) cacahuate talk 21:11, 10 June 2008 (EDT)

In view of our policy, I'm wondering why you added the links to the guides in this article. -- (WT-en) OldPine 12:01, 15 June 2008 (EDT)

I guess it works for that subsection, but I don't like the listing of other guides (my objection was not based on their being secondary or worse) as they are specifically listed under things not to link to. I agree that this article might be a special case, but I fear it might start the slippery slope. If Fodor's guide to say, Napa Valley (or any number of other complex destinations where it's probably true), is better than ours, should we link to that, too? (WT-en) OldPine 13:11, 15 June 2008 (EDT)

Relevant → User talk:(WT-en) DenisYurkin/Paper travel guides(WT-en) cacahuate talk 11:50, 1 July 2008 (EDT)

Hey, I nominated you for sysop status, please leave a comment indicating whether you are willing to accept! There are no requirements whatsoever, save logging in something like every 3 months. Feel free to mull it over too—we'll leave the nomination up at least 14 days anyway. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 17:53, 16 August 2008 (EDT)

I cut and pasted information from this page into the Walt Disney World resort page. That page can be deleted now. —The preceding comment was added by (talkcontribs) .

Admin edit

I just changed your status on Wikivoyage from nothing to "sysop" per the nomination. Congrats and thanks for taking on the extra responsibility. If you have any questions, as always, feel free to ask. -- (WT-en) Sapphire(Talk) • 09:28, 1 September 2008 (EDT)

Florida Map edit

I few of us really like your Florida map with the cities and points of interest, and would like to use it on the main Florida page. One comment though was that some think the Southwest Florida area is a little empty, can you consider adding Fort Myers to that map, then it would be perfect for the main page. Thank you in advance.(WT-en) Jtesla16 10:13, 6 September 2008 (EDT)

Florida Disagreement edit

I noticed (WT-en) Gamweb has complained about you deleting things in the past, and him and I are getting into much the same argument. My opinion is that he is dumping information from wikipedia and the yellowpages here. Some of our argument points are Lakeland#Eat, Ormond_Beach#Cope, and Florida#Learn. I think this information is not useful to a traveler and does not belong here, and therefore have been removing it. Am I out of line here?(WT-en) Jtesla16 11:35, 7 September 2008 (EDT)

Another user has already cleaned up the Lakeland eat and removed the Florida learn sections. Hopefully that builds consensus for my case.(WT-en) Jtesla16 12:04, 7 September 2008 (EDT)

Star nomination for Walt Disney World edit

Hi there! As you've probably already seen, we've all made nice progress on the Walt Disney World article, and I even nominated it for Star status. Unfortunately, the discussion has been rather negative, and I've reached a point where I can no longer comprehend what is expected of a Star article. I also noticed that the discussion is dominated by no more than three other users. Since you are a docent can you add your thoughts? I'm sure it would help a lot. Thanks!

User:(WT-en) Jonathan 784 9/16/08 10:40 PM CDT

Just added a new infobox to the article about a new resort opening in 2009. User:(WT-en) Jonathan 784 9/23/08 6:30 PM CDT

I have just re-started the Star nomination discussion. (WT-en) Jonathan 784 10:28, 18 October 2008 (EDT)

Walt Disney World redirect problem edit

HI! There seems to be a problem with the redirect of the Walt Disney World article. See for yourself:

Can you figure out what's wrong? (WT-en) Jonathan 784 20:40, 30 September 2008 (EDT)

New infobox edit

Hi there! Just added a new infobox to Walt Disney World#Go next. But I'm not sure if my writing is precisely clear, so please add more to it if you can. :) (WT-en) Jonathan 784 15:51, 12 October 2008 (EDT)

What would you say about adding this image to the Get out section? http://upload.wikimedia.org/wikipedia/en/d/de/Buzz_Lightyear_at_the_Kennedy_Space_Center.jpg After all, the phrase "To Orlando ... and beyond" comes from Buzz Lightyear's catchphrase. Furthermore, this NASA-created image, created for a public awareness campaign, is not copyrighted. (WT-en) Jonathan 784 12:58, 13 October 2008 (EDT)

New changes to Walt Disney World edit

An anonymous user just made 4 alterations to the article - please check them for accuracy. Also, did you know that I added more to the Star discussion? (WT-en) Jonathan 784 11:44, 22 October 2008 (EDT)

Thanks for your contributions! edit

Thanks for your work in Edmonton/West End. I hope you are learning lots about Edmonton Metro! Have a great day:>!!!!! Keep smiling, (WT-en) Edmontonenthusiast 15:09, 28 October 2008 (EDT)

image edit

to bring this from TALK:EDMONTON i wanted to make sure i edited my pictures. i put taken on _______ by edmontonenthusiast. check my image. thanks! keep smiling, (WT-en) ee talk 21:18, 7 November 2008 (EST).

AnonUser edit

Why'd you unblock that user? He(she) vandalised multiple articles with inapporpriate words. I don't get it. He deserves a ban! Keep smiling, (WT-en) ee talk 21:00, 12 November 2008 (EST).

Just an FYI, the blocking policy has been relaxed somewhat over time - if a user is moving pages, abusing others, or being a persistent nuisance then a short block seems to be OK. As an example, there's a guy who logs on from Canada on a weekly basis and changes pages for a few hours unless someone puts a block on the IP, so blocking isn't ENTIRELY bad. But it's generally only used to stop someone who is being a persistent problem, so if the user goes away there's no need to use a block unless they come back. I'm sure there are talk pages where this has been worked out, but that seems to be the current consensus. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 22:18, 12 November 2008 (EST)

Could you check Talk:Edmonton and Talk:Edmonton/Central for me, I would love your feedback (and anyone else who is lookin) on the sections at the bottom. Keep Smiling, (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 20:34, 23 November 2008 (EST).

Help edit

Could you help in this/this situation? It is a little over whelming. I think it's an edit war. Keep smiling, (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 20:43, 25 November 2008 (EST).

Thanks edit

Thanks for your fabulous imput on my talk page about the situation. You are a real help and I am glad you were calm. (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 10:09, 27 November 2008 (EST).

Gallgaher edit

Hey LT, I was wondering if youd be interested in checking out the Edmonton page as I uploaded a new skyline photo. I don't know if it is any good, I used some effects on it and I would love your input. (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 18:14, 28 November 2008 (EST).

So there isnt any confusion Image:EdmontonGallagher.JPG (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 13:20, 29 November 2008 (EST).

Hi. Just wanting to see advice on what's going on over the vfd on this article...

It has been nominated for understandable reasons. However, the page creator has rebutted this and is removing the vfd tag from the page concerned. I've tried explaining that there is policy governing deletion nominations.

Just want to make sure am not being too heavy handed. I'm going to step back from it now as I don't want to get into a major argument, and I feel it may be best for an admin(s) to make some sort of decision, give advice, etc.

Thanks, (WT-en) Nrms 10:30, 16 December 2008 (EST)

Merry Christmas edit

Hi Lt! I just wanted to give you a Merry Christmas and I hope your day is good. I really do want to thank you for the support, opinions, and helping me find the rules on the site. All the best to you in the New Year. Happy holidays, (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 12:41, 25 December 2008 (EST).

Route icons edit

Hi there! Merry Christmas and stuff! Glad to see you are plunging forward with the routeboxes! When you upload a new icon, please do us the favor of adding it to the list page at Project:Route icons so that others can locate it easily. I went ahead and added the two images you just uploaded to it, so don't worry about that. Also I just noticed on your Shared gallery page what great mapwork you are doing. Super spiffy! Keep it up! (WT-en) Texugo 13:52, 25 December 2008 (EST)

Ripley, England? edit

Hi, I know that you ment well, but the page I created on Ripley, was about a small town in Bruce County, Ontario, Canada. In other words, not England. I'm new, but I'll try and figure out how to change it back, or change it to "Ripley (Canada)". If it isn't changed when you see it next, change it for me please? Thanks. (WT-en) Ripley 23:09, 31 December 2008 (EST)

Most recent Walt Disney World edit edit

Hi! Just adjusted the article because some of the URL's were broken and redirected to the main page of the official WDW website. You might be interested in my addition to the Buy section. :) (WT-en) Jonathan 784 23:56, 5 January 2009 (EST)

peter edit

Lt, can you please tell Peter to not revert my user talk page. It is my page and I can do with it what I please. Or is there a reason? Could you help? Maybe investigate please. Thankyou. (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 19:04, 6 January 2009 (EST).

I also dont get why him and Cacahuate always delete my comments on their pages. It is rude and I dont do it to them. i just dont get it anymore. (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 16:26, 8 January 2009 (EST).
To be very clear, I won't remove your comment from my talk page or anywhere else, provided they do not request information that has already been given to you (many times), are not disruptive to an ongoing conversation, and are not abusive. You can comment however you like on your talk page—that is a consensus we achieved at Project:How to handle unwanted edits. I consider much of your talk page involvement to simply be attention seeking and/or abuse, and will revert accordingly. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 16:44, 8 January 2009 (EST)
What is with you and abuse? I haven't abused you at all so I dont get your deal. (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 16:46, 8 January 2009 (EST).
I believe by "abusive", Peter meant rude and incivil. Which, unfortunately, you have been on occasion. You will do best by working on your areas of expertise while observing the way the community operates without your participation, and learning from that observation. (WT-en) LtPowers 18:48, 8 January 2009 (EST)
Well I am not being incivil but honestly I may be rude, but he is even more rude. He is the one that aggravates me to rudeness. If he means that by abusive, then he should try different words because that is a bad interpreation as it is not at all what I am doing. One that can drive me nuts surely can come up with a better word.
You and only you are responsible for your actions. Displaying magnanimity when faced with adversity is a virtue you would do well to cultivate. (WT-en) LtPowers 22:02, 8 January 2009 (EST)
Wrong Peter is responsible for my actions. Why is it that he doesn't get talking to when he reverts edits on his talk page when they aren't abusive but when I do it's a case? Why is it that when he aggravates me and pushes me off the cliff, no one tells him to tone down? Why why why why why? I haven't got a clue. Probably because you all want him here because he did a lot on the site - and that's sad. In any rate, like I have said from the start, I mean absolutely no harm, and if it comes this sites way due to me I appologise as it was probably a my bad, but this Peter crap NEEDS to be resolved and people needa realise that it isn't just me. Also take into account how unwelcoming this site has been to someone who is new, and stuff. Literally, all this crap has made me loose motivation to even contribute to this site. There is no motivation because there is no reason to me right now. It's not worth it really. That's why all the stuff you see from me really is discussions and not articles, and even at that it is very little. (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 22:09, 8 January 2009 (EST).
Right, this stops now. Peter is not responsible for your actions. I don't care how much he provokes you, it is your responsibility, and yours only, to react in a calm and civil manner. Period. If you can't do that, then you don't have much of a future on this site, because right now you are irreparably damaging your reputation. I can't emphasize enough that you are on extremely thin ice. You don't take constructive criticism well, and you don't demonstrate an understanding of the consequences of your actions. You promised to stay out of contentious conversations and just focus on editing travel guides, but you haven't done that. Dealing with you has occupied an inordinate amount of time for me and several other people on this site.
Do you want to know why Peter reverts your edits so often? It's because it's quicker than explaining something to you over and over and over again. I personally would not do that, and have not, but these longtime editors don't want to deal with interpersonal problems on Wikivoyage; they just want to write travel guides. Your behavior obstructs that goal, by requiring a lot of attention, and that's why people are upset with you.
I will reiterate what I said above: You will do best by working on your areas of expertise while observing the way the community operates without your participation, and learning from that observation. You must ignore any conversation that doesn't directly deal with editing travel guides. You must ignore Peter no matter what he does. You must not participate in policy discussions. I am not imposing these restrictions on you; I am merely outlining what steps I think you are going to have to take to have any chance of avoiding being banned.
I will copy this post to you talk page to make sure you see it. -- (WT-en) LtPowers 09:01, 9 January 2009 (EST)

If I may also interject, EE, occasionally I have to just ignore things on Wikivoyage. It's called a wikibreak and sometimes they're needed -- just stop working on things and get your bearing about you and start contributing when you want to again. It doesn't have to be an all out vacation or break, but, if you feel like you're getting to your wits' ends, simply do not focus on perpetuating the issues that you and Peter have been having. Simply take a few steps back, focus on contributing to guides and that's it. Do, however, realize that you shouldn't disregard advice from the community -- we're all here to see a free, open source travel guide that's useful take root and better the world for travelers and the community provides you with advice, because we all want to be successful in the project. I recommend that you listen to LT and focus on your areas of expertise and letting the conflict simmer down so that everyone around can take a step back and analyze the situation from a not-so-heated perspective. -- (WT-en) Sapphire(Talk) • 11:27, 9 January 2009 (EST)

LT, which branch? -- (WT-en) Sapphire(Talk) • 11:46, 9 January 2009 (EST)

Starfleet. (WT-en) LtPowers 12:59, 9 January 2009 (EST)

why did peter delete this? edit

Because this involves me, I do want to add my side to this. Quite frankly, Cacahuate, Nrms is right, but he leaves you out. You and Peter are truly the only culprates to not helping this and I agree with him in that you two step aside to people who will deal with me in a proper way. If you feel I should be banned, discuss it with another admin,okay? (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 18:48, 10 January 2009 (EST).

Why would Peter delete that, see the last thing on Peter's talk page to see. I just don't get it and it is getting quite arrogant. It seems he doesn't even read it, just deletes. (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 20:53, 10 January 2009 (EST).

Peter deleted it because he doesn't want to deal with you anymore, and he doesn't want your comments on his talk page. I suggest respecting his wishes. (WT-en) LtPowers 22:43, 10 January 2009 (EST)
What a jerk! He should be being more open minded about stuff. I do not care if what I said was rude, I'm sorry, we do not live in a sugar coated word and what Peter is doing is just plain rude. I have been more than nice to him in the past and whatnot. I have been mean to him aswell, but only in comment to what he has done. Whatever I am done with this stupid website I think. There is too much drama that it's not even worth writing stupid travel guides anymore. Nobody on here can even see where I am coming from, and use that same old harsh tone with me and whatnot (a few exceptions) but immideatly jumps to Peter on it. I am sick of being the 1 dude army against millions. I also can't believe how when matters are discussing me, for some damn stupid reason I am not allowed to join in? Well then don't talk to me. When it is talking about me - at least allow me to participate. I am done with this website I think, and I would like all discussion on me put to a halt, or discussed in my talk page. (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 11:26, 11 January 2009 (EST).
I don't even know where to begin. Read your third sentence again and see if you can figure out the problem. (WT-en) LtPowers 15:35, 11 January 2009 (EST)
Thanks for the "help" and I read that sentance.
You say you don't care if you were rude, then complain that Peter was rude. That's called a double-standard. You might want to take a look at the role your behavior has played in this debacle. (WT-en) LtPowers 19:41, 11 January 2009 (EST)
I don't even know where to begin with you. I guess I have to spell it out...*clear throat*...I t-h-i-n-k t-h-i-s h-a-s g-o-n-e t-o f-a-r t-h-a-t I d-o-n-'-t e-v-e-n c-a-r-e i-f I w-a-s r-u-d-e. Do you not ever have that in real life, where whatever it was has amounted to something so big you don't even care anymore or forgot the original idea? (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 19:52, 11 January 2009 (EST).
What I am suggesting is that you may be too quick to reach that point. And even when you do reach that point, the better course of action is to take a step back and take a break from the site, rather than get angry and lash out. Because getting angry and lashing out results in further animosity, which feeds further anger on your part, and it all spirals down into the current debacle. Someone has to break that cycle. (WT-en) LtPowers 08:19, 12 January 2009 (EST)

New Walt Disney World edit edit

Hi! An anonymous user recently contibuted this:

Write down your child's name and your name, resort and cell phone number on a 3 x 5 inch index card, and place the card in your child's pocket. (If your child is a member of MedicAlert or an equivalent organization, that information should also be included on the card as well, or s/he should always be sure to wear his/her ID tag.) Instruct your child to show the card to a Cast Member (a Disney employee) in the event that you get separated. If you lose your child, notify a Cast Member immediately. Cast Members in either situation are instructed to stay with the child or parent(s) in the area where the seperation was reported was made for 10-15 minutes. After that time, both parties are brought to the Baby Care centre in that park. If the party is not reunited at that time, Cast Members will send out a message via radio for all Cast Members to be on the lookout for the child. If your child goes on a ride on his/her own, make sure you know where the ride's exit is. Arrange a place to meet with all members of your party if you become separated. Note: Try not to make your meeting place something that is too obvious, such as in front of Cinderella Castle. Crowding is likely to occur at these places.

This paragraph is bulky. How should we "fix" it? (WT-en) Jonathan 784 23:50, 27 January 2009 (EST)

EEarchive edit

Why am I even bothering talking to you, you probably don't want to "deal" with me? Probably cause you are the only person on this horrible website I can think of. Maybe I can explain it to you? I have been, lets face it, cyber bullied on this website so much that the people on here don't even care how I feel about it. I would never hurt anyone on here to the amount that they have done to me. They are jerks. I don't care, I am pointing out these jerks, Ryan, Peter, and worst is 2old. My my do I hate 2old. He has only ever commented on me in a mean way, yet he never gets a "stern" talking to, just me. You know, when I "left" this website, I said to myself, I'd come back to do 1 thing, and that was to get rid of the EEarchive. Towards the later part of the month, I thought I'd give the site one last chance, which has proven bad thinking on my part. Bottom line, I just think people don't like me here at all, and just try to bug the crap out of me, and do it in ways so that the community will side with them. Now, I contributed a bit, but I still want my EEarchive deleted. I made a very very generous compromise that it be kept, just the names be taken out, as the names aren't necessary. You guys obviously don't get it. You guys run with no emotion, and could care less (maybe not you specifically, but the site overall)about any persons feelings. You guys don't see how humiliating it would be to point someone new to the site who is questioning the rules to my "archive", I'd feel like an idiot. I'd feel like the laughing stock. I could care less if it is good reference, when people feelings are involved, that shouldn't matter. Peter should not victimize me like this, but yet he gets away with nothing, what, cause he's the top of this website? What a pile of crap. Now I just want my archive deleted, or my compromise made, and I just want to leave this site forever. But, in a sense, I still want to stay cause it can be fun making travel guides, but it hasn't been fun in months. I took the break, I am a lot calmer about everything, but it seems nobody else took the break as a time to think, and rethink. I am here now strictly to finish off the EEarchive, and nothing more now. Unless there is a real big, sudden change in the attitude of this website, once the EEarchive thing is resolved, in some way, and I know I don't need to worry about it anymore, I'll be gone. No need to deal with me or anything. Although I will pop back from time to time to make sure whatever is resolved through the EEarchive is kept going. I would also let you know I'd never ever make someone on this website cry or get shaky when they log into this site, like people such as Peter Fitzgerald have. I think I have been more than fair in everything especially considering everything that's happened. I admit I haven't been so rosy great in the past on this website, I know, Look at that stupid EEarchive. But, you will notice I appologize each time, and if I haven't then I'm sorry, cause I am sorry for all the wrong I've done here, but none of you can do the same in return? I've had people, like Shaund, who I thought were so nice and would stick up for me, actually go against me, PerryPlanet is another perfect example, as is Sertmann. I've been called a troll, which is most insulting, and I hate people thinking I'm something I'm not like that. I hate being labelled those things, I'd never label Peter or you a troll, so why me? What because I talk? So what, communication is key. I could care less if Sertmann says for me to shut up, I like to talk, whupee. So I have feelings. What, I don't disregard peoples feelings? No, I think feelings come first, otherwise you keep everything bottled up and really hurt people sometimes. What am I doing ranting this all to you? Well, Lt, I just wanted some advice on what to do, I hope that's okay. As I'd say, Keep smiling, (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 14:54, 28 February 2009 (EST).

Boracay edit

If you have some time to work on a Boracay map before next DoTM month change, please check my comments here. --(WT-en) Stefan (sertmann) Talk 16:57, 16 March 2009 (EDT)

news edit

so simple yet so powerful... i fidgeted with it for 15 min and gave up in shame.... nice work – (WT-en) cacahuate talk 16:33, 25 March 2009 (EDT)

Non-Stop Flights edit

Doh! Just learning. I'll work on using the actual city name. Thanks —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) DavidG (talkcontribs) .

WDW map edit

Hey, would you mind uploading your SVG for the Epcot map—I'd like to play around with it a bit. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 16:45, 3 April 2009 (EDT)

Please inform me before editing my page please edit

Don't edit my page please, or at least not without informing me first, thanks. (WT-en) Claire1223 16:03, 14 April 2009 (EDT)

Re: Sleep price ranges edit

I reset the lower price range to $0 on two of those price range boxes because I noticed that the previous one, "$82", didn't fit with some of the listings that listed "$80" as the base price. That's when it struck me that those boxes usually use "zero-to-___" or "less than ___" for the budget listings. See any of the San Francisco districts for examples. Admittedly, "under $148" is probably a better way of putting it than "$0-$148", but I was in a hurry and just slapped in "$0".

As for why I removed the Magic Kingdom one, it was because it really didn't fit what the listings said. I think the mid-range said something like "$150-$225", even though the actual mid-range listings had prices of $250 or more. I could have changed the numbers, but I thought it would be best not to dictate a system I don't understand, so I figured removing the box would be the best option until someone who had a better grasp of the situation could put down some useful numbers to classify what's really mid-range and what's splurge at Magic Kingdom. (WT-en) PerryPlanet Talk 16:17, 14 April 2009 (EDT)

Gamweb edit

I'm pretty sure that was Gamweb, since I know there were some unpleasantness that basically led him to stop contributing here. (And I assume nli = not logged in.) But since it was an anon ip, we cannot be sure that it was him, so I'm going to revert and leave him a message. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 13:46, 25 April 2009 (EDT)

Humor & Pith.. edit

Hi - For every attempt at humor there is always someone out there that doesn't get it - hey? I've just had a go at clarifying the what you can see from which side section of the article. I certainly don't wish to discourage light-heartedness in articles. Hate to be the Wikivoyage scrooge. If you think its just me that doesn't get it, feel free to revert, or if you want to have another shot, my humor-meter is always available to you. --(WT-en) Inas 21:13, 11 May 2009 (EDT)

The new text is definately clear, and I think (hope!) it still read in a lively way.
On a more general theme, I've been giving some thought to lively writing within a wiki framework, with this discussion, and the discussion in DC, and I might continue this dicsssion and the DC discussion at Project:Tone --(WT-en) inas 18:32, 26 May 2009 (EDT)

Hi Lt, I thought I'd let you know I'm back. But don't worry, I'm only popping in from time to time, and am not getting involved in site politics. Mostly article stuff, although I have done one nomination over on the DotM and what not but otherwise yeah. Thanks for sticking up for me in the past and trying to sort through the previous drama(s). (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 22:09, 15 May 2009 (EDT).

Hi! What I'll do is post this here and on your talk page. I'll also look through it while I write this so I don't miss any of my thoughts and whatnot on the topic.
I'm actually doing the same for Portland (Or), as over the past while I have gotten an increased interest in the city, and will be going to it soon so that's good. I nominated it for DOTM cause I cleaned it up a bit and it seemed worthy. By the time it'd get DOTM I'd be able to upload pics so there will be more pics, and make a map perhaps.
Oh and of course I'm doing it with Edmonton & Alberta.
Anyhow, Walt Disney World. Before I get started I mind as well just say flat out the place doesn't attract me. It seems like more a place for little kids and families instead, and to me just looks tacky and overhype. I don't know, that's just how I feel - but then again I don't go and watch Disney princess on tele.
One thing I do like though is the information really. I love how you give tributes to Walt Disney and fun facts. The Understand section is amazing.
I didn't know there was a parade! Interesting. And one thing you might want to do is a climate graph like in Edmonton. They seem very strict on alcohol. In the food section I wouldn't be so quick to single out mcdonalds. maybe say there are some regular fast food chains but save the actual lists for high quality restaurants / vendors.
For me? You ask? What kind of travelling do I like to do? I like going to cities. Particularily North American ones, although I would not mind Europe. I am a urban planning geek so that would explain that. WDW looks very very suburbanized and concentrated around the highway, which I hate. I am very antisuburbs, so thats another thing that bothers me about it. Maybe if they have transit going to it, that would be a good thing to highlight. I don't really like warm cities either. Miami, Los Angeles, Honolulu, Las Vegas, Abuquerque, Phoenix, and Tampa barely interest me. San Diego is an exception, as is Texas. I like northern cities, with 4 seasons, and seem to feel more "older" I guess, although the southern cities are also old just in a different way. Rustbelt, New England, East Coast, North midwestern, Pacific Northwest, and NoCal areas of the US I like. In Canada, almost anywhere interests me, as long as it's cities. Montréal, Fredricton, Thunder Bay, Toronto, etc. I like sort of former communist countries in Europe like Germany, Poland, and Russia just cause it would be interesting to see socialism instead of capitalism, although I'd never live in those places even though they are democratic now. I like the places that either had a big influence by English or the place influenced English. So Belgium, Germany, Holland, Denmark, and Sweden interest me. Scadinavia as a whole seems pretty cool. I'd rather go to New York than Yellowstone, or Sydney than Everest, or Tokyo over the Coral Reef, or Houston over WDW basically. I don't like suburban cities at all. Maybe if WDW has a more "urban sector", although I doubt it does that would be cool to highlight. Orlando as a whole seems very suburbanized. Nearby Tampa too. And Jacksonville. Nearest would be Miami I guess or Atlanta.
Does that help? If not please let me know, or if you need more information or just a general comment please don't hesitate to reply. I'd actually like a reply, but ya don't haveto. Thankyou. (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 22:15, 16 May 2009 (EDT).

Edit wars edit

Spare me the lecture. I reverted that edit because he deleted useful text, and explained why in the edit summary. He didn't provide a valid reason for the deletion, so I reverted it again. He stated that he was going to take care of it, and I left it alone. There's nothing wrong with that sequence of actions. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 17:16, 23 May 2009 (EDT)

Hi Lt edit

Hi Lt, sorry if I dragged you into the thing with Gorilla, now you and Peter are at argueing. Sorry. I want you to know though that I appreciate you jumping in the discussion, dispite what Peter says. I'd like you to continue, unless you don't want to as it is greatly appreciated for someone whose more neutral it seems on the topic. No offense to Peter or Gorilla, but they seem to be very biased on the topic, and still haven't let the previous annoyances go. Anyhow have a very good day, you're a great moderator. And please don't take that as kissing butt :P. (WT-en) edmontonenthusiast [ee] .T.A.L.K. 22:13, 23 May 2009 (EDT).

Mass map edit

I saw you signed up for the MA regions map. I did a bunch of work on it previously, including the state outline, counties, roads, and cities, but lost interest in finishing it because the region borders were confusing. I've uploaded it here, so you can work off of it. If you've already done the bulk of the work on your own map, I can merge relevant details later. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 12:24, 3 June 2009 (EDT)

Minor WDW map error edit

Hi, I just noticed a minor error on your latest version of the Walt Disney World map: the locations of Fort Wilderness Campground and the Wilderness Lodge Villas are transposed. Shouldn't be that hard to fix. (WT-en) Jonathan 784 12:17, 11 June 2009 (EDT)

Re: Osprey Ridge edit

I'll fix it. (WT-en) Jonathan 784 09:58, 18 June 2009 (EDT)

OK But, it's a pity not using cat-s here. —The preceding comment was added by‎ (talkcontribs) .

Please See edit

The Travellers Pub for more details on the New Skype Style question I asked. I have replied back. It's so odd... +1 877 627-2525 ,-- 13:15, 26 June 2009 (EDT)

Mid-Atlantic edit

I'm I revised the language because it was speculative and boastful. I changed it to a neutral tone, taking out "America's most livable city", and "Baltimore is far less lovely" and converting it to a neutral tone. I have spoken to Peter about this. (WT-en) RickS 12:05, 28 June 2009 (EDT)

Good job edit

Good job on the Hollywood Studios sub-article! Let's do the same to all the others! :) (WT-en) Jonathan 784 23:23, 4 July 2009 (EDT)

How do I create or edit a map? edit

Hi there! I would like to create new maps or edit existing ones, but I'm pretty much still a new kid on the block and I don't fully understand the map-making process here. Could you please give me a "heads-up"? Thanks!

  • Tokyo Disney Resort's map is flawed. This version [1] is way better, but it's missing the locations of the Tokyo Disneyland Hotel and the Cirque du Soleil Theater.

(WT-en) Jonathan 784 10:10, 9 July 2009 (EDT)

Hollywood Studios edit

Oh no, not essential. Perhaps with the exception of adding more info to the Narnia exhibit description, I was just trying to tighten the prose (which is always something about which people can disagree)—largely to keep me busy while reading through the article. I assume points of contention were towards the beginning? I got rid of the isIn chain in the intro, since it should be obvious from the main article which state it's in, and I think it's safe to assume that WDW/X is in WDW (and the breadcrumbs are already displayed). I was also hoping to get rid of some "experience the" expressions, since I think that fits into the category of brochure-like tone that others were describing. But by all means, edit my edits! --(WT-en) Peter Talk 23:22, 12 July 2009 (EDT)

Nope, there are still a ton of redirects to NY(c)—I got less than half. They're sloppy and break all rdf templates when you navigate through them, so they are undesirable. The more important work, though, was to make sure the whole hierarchy stayed intact. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 13:13, 14 July 2009 (EDT)

Pacific Coastal Properties Removal? edit

I was wondering why the listing for Pacific Coastal Properties was removed. The company does offer vacation rentals in the Del Mar area, as well as many other areas in San Diego county. Please refer to one of our property pages for an example: http://www.pacificcoastalproperties.net/rental/house.html?ID=2. I have the same question for the removal of the posts from Cardiff-by-the-Sea, La Jolla, and Carlsbad. Thanks!

I just got your message--thanks,that was a very helpful explanation!—The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Barkerjw1 (talkcontribs) .

Directly to Jail.. edit

I think most people in Britain and Commonwealth countries understand American spelling perfectly. I'm the furthest thing possible from a spelling pedant, and personally I don't care what spelling people use, and I certainly wouldn't go out of my way to change American spelling to Commonwealth spelling anywhere. However our policy is to use British spelling in British articles, so to change the spelling of gaol to the American jail along with a comment saying they were fixing a strange misspelling is just a mistake in terms of our policy, because the existing version was perfectly correct. All the jails in Britain have a sign on the front saying gaol. --(WT-en) inas 20:55, 1 August 2009 (EDT)

Britain & Ireland edit

Sorry for my confusion. You must have wondered what I was going on about. --(WT-en) inas 17:18, 20 August 2009 (EDT)

Psychologist discoveries.. edit

The 7 things in memory is like a the 80/20 rule, and similar rules. More based on anecdotes and sounding right than any basis in psychology. --(WT-en) inas 19:29, 24 August 2009 (EDT)

Re: images edit

Yes, I did. =) I'm trying my best, but it's a tad bit harder than I expected. However, I already did one image. (WT-en) Jonathan 784 10:14, 27 August 2009 (EDT)

Nusa Penida edit

Back in July you left this edit message at Nusa_Penida: "LtPowers (Talk | contribs) (398 bytes) (I can't find any useful content here) (undo)". Please have a look now :). I am realy pleased with this article. It is a relatively little visited and poorly known destination. I think the WT article is now better than anything in any travel guide I know for the destination. Cheers. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 11:26, 6 September 2009 (EDT)

Tamil Nadu edit

I removed it because it doesn't have a regional map, the list of regions however is still listed but not on the regional template. Tamil Nadu needs re-organizing :( . Have a nice day.(WT-en) SnappyHip 20:23, 24 February 2010 (GST)

Kerala‎ edit

Any chance you're still around? If so, would you mind casting an eye over what is going on with the Kerala page. We have tried educating this user as to why his edits are being reverted, but he is insistant on keeping them there; now trying to get us to allow them to stay while he takes time to work on the content (to which the cynic in me says he's hoping we forget!) I'm not really sure what else we can do, short of a temporary ban on the user, which is really not a road I wish to travel down. Cheers (WT-en) Nrms 12:18, 8 March 2010 (EST)

nudge edit

Best to not encourage trolling—it can be extremely counterproductive. I'm aware of the couple useful bits there thrown in (to try and rope people in), and will continue revising the article, but not before our silly provocateur tires and wanders off. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 22:53, 9 March 2010 (EST)

The idea that I have some sort of radical view on trolling is absurd. Don't feed the trolls is the mantra of the online world [2]. Rising to this sort of bait [3] makes you look ridiculous, and encourages trolls to continue wasting everyone's time. This hurts the site, is unfair to anyone on the receiving end—or really anyone who would rather our site be devoted to productive ends—and is simply inappropriate for an admin to knowingly do. I can assure you that a if a user trolling decides to start contributing positively, they will do so from a new account, and it will not be because you guided them into the light—by continually rising to the bait (and far worse, contradicting other admins trying to deal with this responsibly), you increase the rewards trolling relative to those of positive contribution. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 10:09, 10 March 2010 (EST)

nudge(2) edit

Given your question "elsewhere", you might want to catch up with the long discussion about that email here. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 03:50, 23 April 2010 (EDT)

That problem which is brewing edit

Just finished reading the whole IB/spam discussion at Wikipedia. Thanks for representing this site there — you're doing a good job of it. (WT-en) Gorilla Jones 21:08, 6 May 2010 (EDT)

A copyright question edit

I would really appreciate your view on this. I have just about finished putting together the Bougainville article (a very OtbP island). I would love to draw a map but there are no sources, except... this. What is your take on using that as a trace source? Believe it or not, that website is the official tourism site of the Autonomous Region of Bougainville. There is no copyright statement anywhere. Thanks. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 11:34, 7 May 2010 (EDT)

There is a UN map! Many thanks for pointing that out. It will be a perfect source. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 18:53, 7 May 2010 (EDT)

Taxi edit

(moved from subpage)

I'm not sure how to contact you...can you contact me please? <<email redacted>> I'd like to discuss the TAXI section with you.

I only removed that other taxi company because it was misplaced in the Niagara Falls, ONTARIO section. It is an American company and should be listed in the Niagara Falls, NY section. My intent wasn't to remove competition, they are not our competition, they are in a different company.

I look forward to hearing from you.

C. Smith

-- —The preceding comment was added by (talkcontribs)

Replied on your talk page. (WT-en) LtPowers 19:49, 13 May 2010 (EDT)

Vanessa has changed her listing to fir the policy

Hey Hi, I think you made a mistake deleting Vanessa's Random La Paz City Tour. I will tell you why: Her tour goes to places that no tourist could ever find on their own and are custom designed by each small group. There are no museums, govt. building, churches or tourist attractions per se. She uses public transportation which no traveler knows how to use and teaches people about Paceño life and culture. It is analgous to a helicopter flight over the Sahara as the stops are completely off the tourist circuit, not even Paceños know about most of them, and often random. Its a learning experience more than a tour. I think you should undelete it. She read the policy and decided to have the tours meet on the side step of Artesenia Sorata on the corner of Linares & Sagarnaga. That is her office, and her phone is 752-72212, Marko Lewis.

She changed thge listing to fit your policy and reposted it. Thanks. —The preceding comment was added by (talkcontribs)

Salema Feedback Requested edit

Hello, LtPowers!

Very glad to have your help with the Salema article (http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Salema). I noticed you marked the article as 'Usable', which has me tickled pink since it's one of the first pages I've created from scratch. I'm a little new here, and would appreciate your feedback: What do you think it would take to bump the article up to the next level? I'm looking at the Wikivoyage:Usable articles page and trying to figure out what, specifically, I could add to make it a more helpful page. More restaurants / hotels / bars, more detailed description of the town, a map...?


(WT-en) TythosEternal 19:08, 20 May 2010 (EDT)

A new user has copied partly some material and put in the source. I'm not sure if this is fine but it's not all copy paste, some is (bad) written by himself. Delete all or partly? (WT-en) jan 07:52, 9 June 2010 (EDT)

Rincon Puerto Rico edit

Hi Lt Powers,

I dont know if I am placing this in the right area. The reason for adding the ==Understand== section to Rincon, Puerto Rico is due to the fact the site I am adding is the only one available for the town with an interactive map listing multiple categories. In addition, the site lists the latest news regarding the town. If more is needed, please let me know.


—The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Sandy Beach (talkcontribs)

Toolbox and Docents edit

Wow! If the docent for Disney World says that people don't contact docents, it must be a real problem to find or understand the link. In the old pre-web days of 1992, I posted a guide "Planning a trip to Disney World" on the old rec.arts.disney newsgroup, and at the peak was getting up to 40 or 50 emails and posts a week asking questions, advice, and such. I was still getting occasional emails ten years later. Based on my last trip down there in April, the crowds are still there, so I'm sure the need for docents remains high.

Of course, it doesn't help that the Docents link won't show up at all when someone gets there with a redirect, such as going to "disneyworld". But as they click around to Epcot, MK, and such, they will start seeing the Docent box if they just noticed it. To attract attention, perhaps it should appear in the main body of the text, up on the right near the top. Or I guess you really don't want people to START with a docent before they even read the article, so maybe the box should be at the bottom, but still in the main article space. (WT-en) Bill in STL 18:07, 6 August 2010 (EDT)

Yeah, we've talked about it a bit on Project:Docents, but never came to a consensus. You can drop an opinion over there if you want. (WT-en) LtPowers 21:52, 6 August 2010 (EDT)

Images: Did I do it right? edit

I just uploaded my first image. I would appreciate it if you could tell me if I filled in the forms correctly. It is from wikimedia commons, and is Image:Catsup watertower.jpg. I then added it to the Collinsville (Illinois) page. I know nothing about the image except what appears in wikimedia commons. I tried to imterpret what I should put in source, license, etc, and think I got it right, but just feel shaky. (I'm not sure it is the best picture, but at least it's a start). Thanks for your help. (WT-en) Bill in STL 20:23, 18 August 2010 (EDT)

Thanks for taking a look. This first time I guess I was so wrapped up in how to do it that I sort of skipped over selecting a good picture. I did find that I brought over a thumbnail at first, and replaced with the full picture, but it still fails to show well in small size. Next time, I'll spend more time on selection and not sweat the process. (WT-en) Bill in STL 19:19, 20 August 2010 (EDT)

Willis / Sears Tower edit

Could you comment at Talk:Chicago#Willis / Sears Tower? It's not clear to me why edits such as this one are being made, so some clarification would be appreciated. Thanks! -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 14:52, 24 August 2010 (EDT)

Tour listing removed? edit

Hello LtPowers, You've reverted the listing for La Paz Walking Tours at the La_Paz_(Bolivia) guide saying "per tour policy". However, the listing constitutes a value-added activity and no traveller could not fulfill the substance of the tour on their own, as the tour policy states. Another similar activity called Ramdom Tour is already listed and falls in the same category. Could you give some feedback and allow the listing? Thank you for your time. --(WT-en) Skykid123 ve 16:15, 25 August 2010 (EDT)

VfD template and category edit

Thanks for pointing me at the category list. I had been looking at the list of pages linked to the template to come up with my list, but the category page alphabetizes them. I added some help text to the top of the category page.

It does include pages such as Project:City guide status and Project:Template index. I suggested a change on the talk page to keep those pages out of the category. Template talk:Vfd#update call for category. Since you created the category, I wanted to get your reaction. Thanks. --(WT-en) Bill in STL 03:30, 30 August 2010 (EDT)

Consulates edit

Thanks for your comments and sharing your opinion on listing consulates. I think I'll keep sticking with it, although I would agree with you there might be more useful things I could do with my time. One thing it seems to do is make the articles more official-looking, which I think is a positive. You can read my comments on (WT-en) Peter 's page. Got any big tasks you might like some help on? (WT-en) Zepppep 14:46, 16 September 2010 (EDT)

Ok, where is a central place to talk about this? Travellers' Pub...? (WT-en) Zepppep 12:31, 17 September 2010 (EDT)
As good as any. =) (WT-en) LtPowers 10:35, 18 September 2010 (EDT)
Ok, my bad re: embassies. I thought you were saying it's good to have embassies on the country page but putting them on the city page may not. Did I misunderstand your type? If this is the central place for a discussion, I'm fine with that. I don't see any issue with putting consulate info. on the city pages and haven't run into any major obstacles, I guess. Consulates are helpful and typically there are only a few in each country. Some large countries might have more due to their size or influence and I'm fine with having that particular city list which consulates are in town. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Zepppep (talkcontribs)
First of all, I meant to endorse your suggestion of the Travellers' Pub as a place for discussion, not here. You've now spread discussion across three or four different talk pages; that is not conducive to establishing a useful consensus.
Second of all, what I said was "A far better organization for consulate and embassy information is to organize it by country, rather than by city." That is, country to which the embassy belongs, not country in which the embassy is located. A list of, say, German consulates is far more useful to the German traveler than a list of all of the consulates in New York City. (WT-en) LtPowers 13:54, 22 September 2010 (EDT)
I only responded to the comments you made on other users' pages because you had responded to them on that specific page, so please don't blast me for using a user's page to comment directly to that WT'er. I then came to your page to say "Travelers' Pub is cool with me if it's cool with you." I'm not worried so much about formality when posting to a user's page--and doing a little consensus building or "hey, we're heading over to the TP if you're interested in voicing your comments" is nothing but aiming to inform/update a user who's expressed interest or gratitude in something I've done. I was also offering my help to you (16 Sept post). (WT-en) Zepppep 16:45, 6 October 2010 (EDT)
Sorry if I sounded a bit short. It wasn't intentional. (WT-en) LtPowers 14:13, 9 October 2010 (EDT)

IsPartOf edit

I was under the impression that the underscores were necessary; I've been noticing A LOT of problems with the breadcrumb navigation recently (and purging the cache doesn't always seem to take care of the problems) and thought that might be the reason. Sorry (WT-en) Eco84 10:13, 17 November 2010 (EST)

Votes for deletion edit

I was doing a pass through the VFD page to see what nominations could be completed, and on a couple of nominations - Beachtraveller and Lake James (disambiguation) in particular - you've made comments that I assumed were "Keep" votes, but on second look may just be comments without any vote. If these are indeed meant as "Keep" votes could you update the comment? If not, for an article such as Lake James (disambiguation) in which the consensus seems to be "delete", are you OK with completing the nomination? Thanks! -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 16:08, 27 November 2010 (EST)

I-90 route boxes in Massachusetts edit

Hi, for I-90 Worcester and Springfield should also be control cities. I'm going to change it back. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Sumone10154 (talkcontribs)

That's not true according to my information. Do you have a more recent source than this one? (WT-en) LtPowers 10:11, 15 January 2011 (EST)
Actually in Massachusetts, most highway signs on I-90 in Massachusetts include Springfield or Worcester (not always Albany), and according to Project:Routebox_navigation#Assigning_major_destinations, "If the route goes for 2 hours' travel time or more without a major city, the next biggest city in the region should be used to break it up." So although Springfield and Worcester aren't officially control cities to the AASHTO, I think they should still be included. (WT-en) Sumone10154 12:14, 15 January 2011 (EST)
Well that's different, then, and something that could be discussed. Boston is only three hours from Albany, so I'd say it's close to okay for them to remain the "major" cities on the templates. With toll roads (which I-90 is in New York and Massachusetts), which have relatively few exits, we risk nearly every city becoming a control city if we include all of the major ones. If we include Worcester and Springfield, for instance, we'd also want to add Rochester and Syracuse. (WT-en) LtPowers 15:43, 15 January 2011 (EST)

Niagara Falls edit

The collaboration of the month was updated to Niagara Falls. I just thought I'd let you know, since you gave support and know the area. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 17:24, 18 January 2011 (EST)

Re: I-80 and State College edit

I-80 does not go through State College, but it's close - the town that I-80 passes through doesn't have a page, and I-99 (which does pass through the town) hasn't been routed yet. As I continue to complete these routes, I'll address this issue. I'm just having I-80 in place until I get around to routing I-99 (in other words, it's a temporary situation). :) (WT-en) PerryPlanet Talk 22:09, 21 February 2011 (EST)

Sorry it took me so long to get back to you on the I-86/I-390 deal. Anyway, I'll start with your second question first - I omitted the junction from the other cities along I-86 just because it seemed needlessly complicated to have that much info in those other cities (I wasn't aware that the junction was a major landmark), but I don't feel really strongly about it either way - if you think it works better the way it was before, you can change it back. I don't mind.
On the other point though (why did I take I-390 out of the Corning routebox), that I did because I-390 goes nowhere near Corning (the junction with I-86 is a good 20-30 miles out of town). I'm approaching this from the perspective of someone who is looking at the Corning page and asking the question "Say, which roads pass through Corning? Oh look, I-390 does!" (pulls out map) "Well, wait...I don't see an I-390 anywhere near Corning!" I did note the junction with I-390 in the I-86 row however, so I feel that anyone who follows I-390 south from Rochester and jumps ahead to Corning can still follow it back north if they wish. (WT-en) PerryPlanet Talk 17:02, 28 February 2011 (EST)

Need help to undo mistake edit

Hello LtPowers. Recently, I tried to rename a page without properly using the "move" tab. (It wasn't showing up at the time.) The page was Rocky Mountains (Washington), and I was renaming it, because according to Wikipedia, the Rocky Mountain range doesn't extend into Washington State. (see Rocky Mountains)

Here's what I think needs to be done, but don't have the administrator rights to do it:

I made a few additions to the Northeast Washington page, but I have an offline copy and will add them back after the move-page problem is fixed. Thanks (WT-en) MMKK 17:27, 17 March 2011 (EDT)

I took care of this. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 17:31, 17 March 2011 (EDT)

I-87 edit

Hi! I would also like to point out that according to some (but not all) sources [4], I-787 does end in Troy. But anyways, the problem is that if later there are articles for every single town along this section of I-87 (the case in many highways in Massachusetts), Troy would not fit anywhere along the route. And additionally, coming from the north, you would take route 7 to get to Troy, not I-787. So I would prefer keeping it the way it is right now with the I-787 routeboxes. (WT-en) –sumone10154 12:12, 1 April 2011 (EDT)

New York towns and villages edit

Hi LtPowers, on the Project:Votes for deletion page, some users were proposing to delete town articles or village articles in New York. Since you live in New York, could you give your opinion there? (WT-en) –sumone10154 10:21, 10 April 2011 (EDT)

Re your recent edit..Understand > History.
"The region known as The South comprises..." Hopefully that takes care of it. I have watchlisted it. Cheers-- (WT-en) felix 04:22, 26 April 2011 (EDT)

City/Region quickbars edit

I noticed you made a couple of quick comments. Do you think you could expound on your opinions on this? I wish Peter were around to comment too. (WT-en) texugo 02:49, 21 May 2011 (EDT)

Honestly, I'm ambivalent. I just knew there was strong opposition in the past, though I never knew exactly why. (WT-en) LtPowers 11:35, 21 May 2011 (EDT)

Aussie edit

Moved to Talk:Australia#"Aussie"

World languages edit

If Japanese is considered a world language but is the national language of only one country, why isn't Swahili a world language when it's a National language of several countries, and official in the African union? (WT-en) Ituwari 12:17, 19 June 2011 (EDT)

I've restarted a discussion about the designation—it may be simpler to rename the section altogether. Lets take the discussion there. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 16:17, 19 June 2011 (EDT)

time formats revisited edit

Given your interest in the time formats discussion and/or the star nomination that was almost sidelined over this matter, I thought I should let you know I've reopened the discussion. Hopefully (unlikely perhaps, but hopefully) we can reach a more definitive conclusion on this matter. (WT-en) PerryPlanet Talk 00:45, 23 June 2011 (EDT)

Hi there (with apologies for a cut and paste message). I am trying to muster up some interest again in the now almost moribund Destination of the Month feature. This used to be one of our more dynamic initiatives with lots of debate. Sadly, that is no longer the case. I have made some new nominations to try to get it going again. If you have a moment please pop over there. And some nominations would be good if you can think of any! Thanks. --(WT-en) Burmesedays 10:22, 9 July 2011 (EDT)

Please stop the edit warring edit

There is an obvious mandate for change on the Chicago site. Please stop shamelessly promoting the shameless self promotions of that page. 19:25, 4 August 2011 (EDT)

Look, if you want to salvage any of your remaining credibility on this issue, you need to do several things:
  • Stop reverting Chicago to your preferred version. Whatever claims you make about consensus, the bare fact is that we have a "status quo bias" -- in a dispute, we keep articles the way they were unless the specific change can be shown to have wide support. No matter how many people have supposedly chimed in with comments criticizing the current lead, your version has no one but you asking for it to be instituted.
  • Register for an account. We welcome unregistered users, but it makes it much easier to work with you long-term if you have a consistent identity. It will give you more credibility, because you will be seen as more than just a random person stopping by to complain, but instead as a fellow Wikivoyageer looking to improve the guide. And it also will reduce questions about just which IP addresses belong to you and which ones don't.
  • Restart the discussion on your proposed changes on the talk page. You may have noticed that it had been discussed and improvements were being made... but that discussion ended once you started trying to impose it upon the article. That should tell you something about which is the more successful route.
If you show no interest in doing any of these three steps -- let alone all of them -- then it will be clear to all that you are not actually here for any productive purpose, but rather just to tweak, troll, and annoy. The choice is yours.
-- (WT-en) LtPowers 13:07, 5 August 2011 (EDT)

You are talking very reasonably, but your actions haven't been. You and the other Mayor Daleys have been bullying anyone with a differing opinion, calling their changes boring and colorless.

The status quo bias only comes into play if there is a previous consensus. There isn't. Changes need to be made and NOT reverted so that editors can judge them. Every editor's opinions are equal. I don't need an account.

But I'll make a concession for you, because we're both from the Roch-cha-cha. I won't make mass reverts of the whole lead, but rather smaller ones. I think we can do some honest analysis on the talk pages and make a great article together.

Chicago! 03:56, 10 August 2011 (EDT)

There is and was a consensus for the previous version, as the article was promoted to star status with near universal acclaim. It doesn't lose that approval because a one or more persons who haven't done any other significant work on the site come in and say they don't like it.
If you want to make changes, you'll have to gain consensus for them first, then make the change -- not the other way around. (WT-en) LtPowers 16:31, 10 August 2011 (EDT)

So you admit that there is no consensus to keep the lead. The article was a star, so everything in it gets the green light? I don't buy that.

You are probably too partisan to have seen the consensus for change in the discussion section.

Ryan said the lead is "too flowery"

Peter said that the old lead can use improvement at least somewhat. He also had a few kind words for revisions.

Even you said you are "starting to see what I mean."

There are more, but I digress,

My individual edits should be viewed on their own merit. Why did you get rid of my first sentence edit? 04:15, 12 August 2011 (EDT)

When did I say "there is no consensus to keep the lead"? I reverted you because you didn't do any one of the three things I asked earlier -- you didn't register for an account, you didn't start a discussion on the talk page, and you didn't stop trying to impose your changes by fiat instead of garnering consensus first. Those are the basic steps in gaining the trust of the other users of this site; until you can understand their importance, you won't understand how to best be a productive contributor to this site. (WT-en) LtPowers 09:58, 12 August 2011 (EDT), I have been casually watching the recent editing on the Chicago article, your own commentary and that of others. Regardless of any content issues your undoubted enthusiasm and considered input into the article is noted. Accordingly I wish to pass no judgement upon either your motives or the quality of content in your edits. I am a regular editor on Wikivoyage but the Chicago article is not one with which I am familiar, nor an I familiar with the destination. However I am quite familiar with the principals, policies and intent of the editors with which you are in apparent disagreement.
This article has an established style and content that has been arrived at through both consensus style editing and rigorous scrutiny by both long established and also casual editors such as yourself. Although a quick reading does reveal some good content input from you the certainly bombastic manner with which you are delivering it to the article is in no way constructive. If it were an article of a lesser state of evolution I speculate you would probably not be experiencing such resistance however to be blunt the main problem appears to be with your attitude. Frankly it sucks and I suggest that if you wish to contribute that you do it in a manner that is far less fractious. One of the things that really annoys regular editors and contributors here is an individual who comes along swinging their trouser snake around like a gushing garden hose. Put it back in your pants. The way to deal with the contentious nature of change in the article is to discuss it. It is not a complex process and would consume far less energy for all concerned if you would do so in a more restrained, balanced and mature manner. The appropriate venue to establish change is the articles discussion page. That applies most especially for an article that has evolved and developed to a Star rated level. Put your ideas forward on the discussion page in a concise manner and other editors will look over them in a measured, balanced and hopefully still objective manner despite your still prevailing bombastic behaviour. If your ideas and content suggestions are considered to be of overall merit and benefit the article you may be surprised to find you have some support for some change. The direction you are heading is presenting a total distraction from the proposed content and moving the attention instead to you and your inappropriate behaviour. Unless you make some effort to behave like a grown up person then it is hard to disagree with any of the comments made about you. Register an account, what is the problem with doing that, at least then we know it is you, not someone else that you share the IP with. If you wish to make a constructive contribution and improvement to the current article then please just take your proposed content, thematic changes and other considerations to the discussion page and deal with them there in a sensible and constructive manner.
Maybe try reading the MoS and then practicing your editing and content contribution skills on a more needy article, maybe even consider creating or improving an appropriate article for a destination that is lacking an article or content, this website is full of needy areas to cover. Then consider coming back to the Chicago article when you have some idea of how to behave in a collaborative environment. Otherwise, please just go away. -- (WT-en) felix 15:12, 12 August 2011 (EDT)

More posturing. Listen guy, I'm not the one revert warring and refusing to discuss the issues. The people want change, and a few bullies are standing in the way. Don't encourage them.

I'm gonna keep on making positive edits.

Chicago is not the truth of blues. 04:43, 17 August 2011 (EDT)

Who are all these people who want change and where is the discussion which proves that? All I have seen are a few anonymous comments (probably from one user only using different anonymous IPs), and certainly no consensus building going on. If you want something changed, discuss it reasonably on the Chicago talk page first. It's really very simple.--(WT-en) Burmesedays 04:59, 17 August 2011 (EDT)

"Talk" Question edit

Hi. I'm in the process of moving my material from the CouchSurfing travel guides to Wikivoyage, as CS has just converted to a for-profit company.

I'm confused as to how Wiki talk works. Is there any pre-formatted process for responding to or starting a new topic, or do I just edit the appropriate talk page in some seemingly appropriate manner? Is it OK to pick up on a pertinent but long-dormant discussion, or should I start a new one on the same topic?

Is there a shortcut for IDing and timestamping a talk comment?

I communicated on the Ulster County split as you suggested, but per above, I don't know if it's in the right context.

—The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) JohnGunther (talkcontribs)

Hi, John. Talk pages here work just like on Wikipedia, by and large. Try giving Project:Using talk pages a read and then let me know if you have any further questions. (WT-en) LtPowers 16:48, 24 August 2011 (EDT)

Apology edit

Hi. I'm sorry I offended you. I remain astonished by the idea of New York as a Mid-Atlantic state, but I didn't realize there was actually a precedent behind that and it wasn't just something done out of organizational convenience here or something. I don't really come here out of a motivation to discuss it, though; I really just came here to apologize. (WT-en) Ikan Kekek 21:51, 16 October 2011 (EDT)

No problem; I may have overreacted, but I was stunned by your strident assertion. No harm, no foul. (WT-en) LtPowers 07:27, 17 October 2011 (EDT)

Mysterious dragons edit

Hi, I saw your edit removing the "Danforth Dragon" description from the Toronto Pearson International Airport details. I puzzled over it for a while wondering how on earth that arrived there as an outcome of one of my edits, and indeed that was the obvious source. I scoured the article for mentions of Danforth Dragons and in the edit history I found a badly formatted restaurant listing that I had edited. I assume this abberation was an inadvertent paste that dropped into a cursor point without my noticing. The wretched page purging issue then ensured that I did not see it when I did a quick scan over the final edited version of the page. Your edit note (dare I ask where this even came from?) is still making me smile. Certainly it was a most odd thing to append to an airport. Good thig you spotted it. Cheers-- (WT-en) felix 01:29, 6 November 2011 (EST)

Thanks for the welcome! edit

Just wanted to thank you for the welcome :) I'll take a look at the links you provided and get acquainted! (WT-en) travelguy101 18:43, 5 January 2012 (EST)

Hello LtPowers (Warsaw editing) edit

I'd like to ask you to change back information about tour guide company in Warsaw. Capital of Poland was destroyed in 90%, which means that it is absolutely impossible to see the most beauty and important architectonical details on apartments, monuments and other sights, if you dont have licensed and very experienced tour guide. That is why tours offered by warsaw4u have "a value-added activity". —The preceding comment was added by (talkcontribs)

Sorry, doesn't count in my book. Bring it up at the Project:Travellers' Pub if you want some second opinions. (WT-en) LtPowers 21:19, 8 January 2012 (EST)

Confused about unexplained revert edit

Hi ... I added a listing for a Spanish teacher to the La Paz article yesterday, which you subsequently reverted ... I don't have much experience with Wikivoyage, but I have to admit I'm at a loss to understand the reason for the revert.

Can you tell me what was wrong with it? The only thing I can think of is that I didn't create an account before making the edit - is that it?

(WT-en) Schesis 10:34, 24 January 2012 (EST)

I may have been too hasty. The listing struck me as somewhat problematic as it's a bit of a slippery slope to start listing all private Spanish teachers in the city. I'm not sure if we have concrete guidelines on such things. Perhaps drop a note at the Project:Travellers' pub and see what other editors think. (WT-en) LtPowers 21:28, 25 January 2012 (EST)

Aargh edit

Apologies for the duplicates ... internet in Bolivia can be a pain.

Buffalo district borders edit

Thanks for adding the Districts Discussion box to the Buffalo page; I probably should have thought to do that myself. I had been planning on beginning to write the articles in the next few days - but given that the box is on the page now, I guess I should wait a bit longer for new contributors who might want to add their two cents. How long do discussions like this normally take? (WT-en) AndreCarrotflower 19:13, 17 February 2012 (EST)

Considering how little attention the article had gotten before you came along, I honestly wouldn't worry about it. (WT-en) LtPowers 10:16, 18 February 2012 (EST)
Thank you. I guess I'll start in the next few days. (WT-en) AndreCarrotflower 13:06, 18 February 2012 (EST)

Venusian conditions edit

I think this person [5] was, ah, er, venting about the current heat wave (June was positively cool). It hit 106° yesterday at DCA. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 18:28, 8 July 2012 (EDT)

No doubt, but the sentence left behind was still self-contradictory. =) (WT-en) LtPowers 21:35, 8 July 2012 (EDT)

Excuse me edit

Can you watch over User:(WT-en) TreatAshworth584? Thanks. (WT-en) D-270599 (talk to me, please!) 10:37, 12 July 2012 (EDT)

Jani's repetitive links edit

Jani has continued to post inappropriate links to the competing fork discussion, and has now added one to his personal blog at http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Wikivoyage:Travellers%27_pub#Moving_to_Wikimedia. I'd like to remove those 3 links. Will you support?--(WT-en) IBobi talk email 13:37, 12 July 2012 (EDT)

No one else agrees that they're inappropriate. Many people in the Wikivoyage editing community are likely to be interested in a travel guide project started by the Wikimedia Foundation; a pointer to that discussion does not seem excessive. (WT-en) LtPowers 15:46, 12 July 2012 (EDT)
Actually, both Peter and Ryan have voiced their disapproval as well.--(WT-en) IBobi talk email 17:23, 12 July 2012 (EDT)
Just to be clear, my position is that using Wikivoyage for discussion of a fork is, for lack of a better word, impolite to the current site owners, but not something that should be censored. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 17:43, 12 July 2012 (EDT)

Vatican City State edit


It is useful information to specify in a bracket sentence what The Holy See is since the article mentions its official language. The part about Latin could be omitted. But then, many readers might be confused since it is a common misunderstanding that Latin is the official language.

And I do not know who started that rumor that one could get by in the Vatican by speaking Latin. That is definately something for Myth Busters.


Please stop violating Vatican City State edit


Plese contribute and discuss instead of just deleting and changing all the time.


Vatican City State edit

"Thanks" for your comment on my site. Maybe you should discuss the issue on the Vatican's discussion page instead of just violating with simple nonsense.


Quid Pro Quo edit

In return for being the first to support you for bureaucrat, I demand that you return to me my admin bit. — Ravikiran r (talk) 20:45, 13 September 2012 (CEST)

I see it's been done, though I'm finding it hard to tell if your tone was serious or joking. =) LtPowers (talk) 05:12, 14 September 2012 (CEST)
Yes Peter took care of it. And yes, I was joking :) — Ravikiran r (talk) 09:10, 14 September 2012 (CEST)

Nomination edit

Hi Powers, your nomination is completed and you are officially our newest bureaucrat. Jc8136 (talk) 15:07, 5 October 2012 (CEST)

"I'd appreciate input on the best way to handle Henrietta and Rush in our travel guides" edit

I should probably address this on your talk page rather than Eco's, as at this point the discussion no longer has anything to do with him. :)

At some point after I began to contribute more and more actively to the Buffalo article, I knew that I would eventually begin work on articles for other destinations in WNY, and I found myself grappling with the same question. The rule of thumb that I came up with involved drawing a distinction between communities that are more or less faceless tracts of suburbia (i.e. Cheektowaga and West Seneca in the case of Buffalo, and perhaps Greece and Brighton in the case of Rochester, though you'd know better than me of course) and communities that "feel" more like small towns (i.e. Clarence, my newest pet project, and East Aurora, which likely will be my third one). Suburbia, following my logic, should be treated as an extension of the city proper, but the "small-town" places can and should have their own articles. The way I see it, readers will invariably be more interested in quaint villages, main streets, mom-and-pop stores, and places with charm than in wading through a list of malls, plazas and chain restaurants. In my articles I try hard to limit the size of the "Eat", "Drink" and "Sleep" sections relative to the other sections; I feel that to merit its own article, any destination generally ought to have at least one, and preferably two or three, actual tourist attractions.

Of course, when I eventually do get around to districting the Buffalo article (one of the reasons I'm glad its DotM month has been put off so many times; it's going to be a daunting task) it may very well be that Cheektowaga, West Seneca etc. will end up with their own articles. When the listings of restaurants, hotels and attractions are migrated to the district articles rather than the main one, I'll likely have to choose between creating articles for boring suburbs, deleting worthwhile attractions that happen to be located in such places, or leaving them on the main Buffalo page where they won't really fit. I suppose I'll cross that bridge when I come to it. Thankfully, I've not heard anything about districting Rochester, so it's likely that wouldn't be an issue for you in any event.

Obviously every metro area is different, but I think Buffalo and Rochester are similar enough in size and in other ways for this template for Buffalo to be applicable to Rochester, if you like, as well. Hope this helps.

-- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 07:19, 14 October 2012 (CEST)

That's the basic conclusions I came to about Rochester as well, and as a rule of thumb I set "anything with a Rochester ZIP Code" as the boundaries. That's essentially the towns of Irondequoit and Brighton, plus the busiest parts of Gates, Chili, Henrietta, and Greece. (The main snag with doing so? The fact that Irondequoit has that small-town feel you mentioned; it really could be its own destination, despite being essentially surrounded by Rochester.) I thought it was working fairly well until Routeboxes came into it.
For Buffalo, I think you're on the right track; there's no reason you can't treat the inner-ring suburbs like Cheektowaga as districts of Buffalo, even if you have to group them together a bit.
-- LtPowers (talk) 15:40, 14 October 2012 (CEST)

1 million jobs are done edit

Today I let run about 1,5 million update jobs. Replacing texts should be now faster. I will check every day the number of jobs and will start a maintenance tool. --Unger (talk) 20:10, 14 October 2012 (CEST)

I knew you were a bot! It's time to unearth the other cyborgs here... --Peter Talk 04:57, 15 October 2012 (CEST)

Your honest opinion edit

As you probably know, building an article more or less from scratch is a whole different animal than fleshing one out from an already-existing template, as I did with Buffalo. So, I'd appreciate your honest opinion on what I've been doing at the Clarence article. Specifically:

  • Too many Eat/Buy/Drink/etc. listings?
  • Listings too wordy?
  • Too many photos?
  • Does it seem like I'm leaving anything out (other than the sections I obviously haven't gotten around to yet, i.e. "Do", "Drink")?
  • Is referring readers back to the Buffalo article a bad idea (i.e. "Get In", "Climate", "Go Next")?

Thanks in advance for the input.

-- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 04:51, 19 October 2012 (CEST)

A few notes regarding your feedback edit

Thanks a bunch for your feedback regarding the Clarence article. My reason for asking was that I intend to nominate Clarence as OtBP at some future time, and having taken an active role in the DotM/OtBP nomination process lately has enlightened me to the pitfalls that can make or break a nomination. Also, I would love for Buffalo or Clarence (or another article I may write in the future, or some combination of the above) to reach Star status someday.

Regarding linkbacks to the Buffalo article, you said "providing a summary in the Clarence article and linking to Buffalo for expanded information makes sense". The rule of thumb I followed was something similar: if I have nothing to say in any given section that is specific to Clarence, the section should simply be omitted rather than have it consist entirely of a linkback to the other article. E.g., the "Climate" section contained not only a linkback but also more specific information about Clarence's relative lack of lake-effect snow, and the "Radio and television" section contained not only a linkback but also the factoid about WBBZ; however, sections such as "Talk" don't exist at all in the Clarence article, being that there isn't any major thing that sets Clarence apart from the larger Buffalo area in that regard. That being the case, I do see the value in smoothing out the prose to avoid the appearance of touting the Buffalo article; I'll get to work on that when possible.

Also, you said: "[r]eferring to state routes as, e.g., 'NY 5' implies that that's how they're known to locals. 'Route 5' would better represent the local parlance". In this case I wasn't referring to local parlance at all; if I had been, it would simply have been "Main Street". Including the numbers was intended to aid visitors from outside the area who may be navigating via road signs, maps, or GPS systems. Your point regarding county routes is well taken, though. Including technical information regardless of how useful it is to the traveller on the ground, who will never see a County Route sign, strikes me as more of a Wikipedia approach than a Wikivoyage approach.

Do you find that these guidelines that I've set for myself clash with the Wikivoyage standard in any huge way? Again, my goal is Star status.

-- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:30, 25 October 2012 (CEST)

No, I think you're hitting the right notes. I do not think we have any suburban Star articles, so in some respects you're setting the standards. But of course, there's only one way to find out for sure! LtPowers (talk) 02:39, 25 October 2012 (CEST)

Email on wikitravel edit

How the heck does one email on wikitravel? I don't see an email this user button and nothing that looks obvious. Meanwhile, I've added links that should connect RegentsPark on Wikipedia and Wikivoyage to Wandering on Wikitravel and Wikivoyage and (WT-en) Wandering on Wikivoyage. --RegentsPark (talk) 21:46, 26 October 2012 (CEST)

Looks like IB has disabled that function. *sigh* You're all set and have your admin bit. LtPowers (talk) 22:08, 26 October 2012 (CEST)
Thanks! --RegentsPark (talk) 00:49, 27 October 2012 (CEST)
Doesn't look like the accounts are merged. At least, I don't see my WT history on WV. --RegentsPark (talk) 00:58, 27 October 2012 (CEST)
Sorry, but merging is not possible at this time. See gen:WMF Migration/New policies/Cross-identification of accounts#But I wanna merge my accounts!. You can redirect User:(WT-en) Wandering to User:RegentsPark if you want, but you have to leave the template at the top. LtPowers (talk) 01:08, 27 October 2012 (CEST)
No worries. Thanks. --RegentsPark (talk) 01:38, 27 October 2012 (CEST)

Moving Chicago pics to Commons edit

I'm pretty unsure of what is OK to move to Commons and what won't be accepted. When a city's main attractions are art, architecture, and unique local businesses, it seems that Commons might nix nearly all of our images... Could you do a quick audit of the following images and note here whether they would be accepted? That will help me figure out which to tag with what:

  1. File:Beverly house.jpg
  2. File:Billy Goat Tavern.JPG
  3. File:Biographtheater.jpg
  4. File:Aon Center.jpg
  5. File:Air Jordan.jpg
  6. File:Adam and Eve in the Garden of Garfield Park.jpg
  7. File:35th & Halsted.jpg
  8. File:Chicago metra near the loop.jpg
  9. File:Oak Woods Cemetery.jpg
  10. File:Millenium Park film statue.jpg
  11. File:Lincoln Park skyline view.jpg
  12. File:Loop Calder flamingo statue.jpg

Thanks! --Peter Talk 22:12, 29 October 2012 (CET)

Nos 1, 3, 4, 7, 8, and 11 are absolutely fine to upload to Commons. 5, 6, and 12 are absolutely not okay. 2 and 10 are questionable and could be argued either way (see commons:Commons:De minimis). Number 9 (Oak Woods Cemetery) is fine if the statue on the monument is Confederate-era; if it's modern, then it's questionable like 2 and 10 are. LtPowers (talk) 23:52, 29 October 2012 (CET)
I would think #2 would not be acceptable under WMC:De minimis, since the whole of the image is of copyrighted material (the sign)? Of course, the tavern would be plenty happy for people to re-use it as free advertising... #10 definitely is borderline per that policy—would you recommend I use the "move" tag or the "KeepLocal" tag? I sort of figure "KeepLocal" would make more sense, since making the argument would be time-consuming, and we have a ton of moving work to do. --Peter Talk 00:24, 30 October 2012 (CET)
Also, I'm still a little confused as to why #s 1 and 4 are OK, since they represent architectural works, and why 3 and 7 are OK, when they are focused on signage for businesses. --Peter Talk 00:27, 30 October 2012 (CET)
When in doubt, I suppose go with KeepLocal. You can always ask for opinions from the Commons experts later. The only part of #2 that is a concern are the illustrations on the left and right sides of the sign; the text itself is too short to be copyrightable. #3 and #7 are okay for the same reason: the text is too brief and too basic to be copyrightable, while any imagery in #7 is small enough that it's de minimis. #1 and #4 are okay because the United States has freedom of panorama for architectural works; they are copyrighted (if they were completed after 1990), but you can take as many pictures of them as you want without copyright concern, as long as you do so from a public place (i.e., a place accessible to the public, not necessarily public property). See commons:Commons:FOP#United States. LtPowers (talk) 01:42, 30 October 2012 (CET)

Here's another I'm not sure of. It's architectural, but indoors, so FoP doesn't come into play? --Peter Talk 23:55, 1 November 2012 (CET)

That is a tricky one. First off, buildings in the U.S. are only copyrighted if they were completed after December 1, 1990. (See commons:Commons:Freedom of panorama#United States.) The National Portrait Gallery was erected in 1968, so the building itself is in the public domain (only its plans are copyrighted). However, this picture is of a courtyard that was added to the building in 2006, so it could be that this part of the building is copyrighted. All that said, though, I believe freedom of panorama still applies to indoor photos, as long as the indoor space is accessible to the public. For reference, this is another picture of the same area already on Commons. (Keep in mind, though, that that image may not have been vetted by the community yet.) LtPowers (talk) 00:04, 2 November 2012 (CET)
In this specific case, of course, there's also the issue that the courtyard was likely created as a work-for-hire for the federal government (e.g., the Smithsonian Institution). If that's the case, it's in the Public Domain, as with anything created by the federal government. LtPowers (talk) 01:24, 2 November 2012 (CET)
"This includes such interior public spaces as lobbies, auditoriums, etc" ← This seems like a clear enough go-ahead. I'll give it a move tag. --Peter Talk 01:47, 2 November 2012 (CET)

Quickbar/working edit

I'm surprised this has gone unnoticed for so long, but I think Quickbar/working has been semi broken for some time, inserting this text into articles that use it:


<http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Somaliland> dcterms:spatial <urn:x-wikivoyage:en:Somaliland> . <urn:x-wikivoyage:en:Somaliland> 
a wts:Country . </rdf> 

I'd just remove the rdf code, but I don't know what it's initial purpose was. --Peter Talk 03:07, 30 October 2012 (CET)

I think the only reason was to categorize the article as a country. --Unger (talk) 07:02, 30 October 2012 (CET)
Whatever it was, I think I just copied it from Template:Quickbar. Since we've given up on RDF for the time being, I'll remove it. LtPowers (talk) 12:33, 30 October 2012 (CET)

New York images edit

I've finished going through the image categories and tagging images for all states in the Mid-Atlantic save NY. Any chance I could enlist your help with that last category?  ;) --Peter Talk 23:05, 3 November 2012 (CET)

As luck would have it, I was headed in that direction tonight. LtPowers (talk) 23:48, 3 November 2012 (CET)

Temporary admins edit

Hello LtPowers :) As one of the local 'crats here, could you consider appointing people like Thehelpfulone and Stefan2 as temporary admins for the sole purposes of assisting with the migration process? Snowolf How can I help? 21:56, 11 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

I have considered it, and I will be happy to do it if the community approves. LtPowers (talk) 22:45, 11 November 2012 (UTC)Reply
Would the appropriate forum be the normal Wikivoyage:Administrator nominations page with the caviat of being temporary? If so, I'll nominate right away and let's see what people think :) Snowolf How can I help? 22:48, 11 November 2012 (UTC)Reply
Yes indeed, and I'm willing to fasttrack the nominations rather than waiting the normal fortnight. But I would expect the community would want to see some strong evidence of helpful wikignoming on other projects in order to approve these. LtPowers (talk) 22:57, 11 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

Bot edit

Is Wikivoyage:Script nominations#Snowbot the correct place where to file the request? Everything there seems to be years and years old but that's where Wikivoyage:Bots pointed me to... Snowolf How can I help? 01:38, 12 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

That would be the place, but you should also drop a note on the Travellers' Pub because not many people will be watching. LtPowers (talk) 02:19, 12 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

Template:Quickbar edit

Hi LtPowers. Just thought I'd let you know of the proposed changes at Template talk:Quickbar. We've successfully tested a bot a few times, and will be going ahead with the changes in a few hours. On an unrelated note, please delete User:Jeog3286t8w. JamesA >talk 13:12, 13 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

Images edit

Hi Powers. What's with images? For example, I see that we have an image here but not here. --RegentsPark (talk) 15:36, 14 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

Form fields and uber-links appearing in userpage History post merge edit

Hi, this is weird, Pigsonthewing's userpage history is displaying some strange form fields towards the top of it and is full of strangely linked text. See: http://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=User:Pigsonthewing&action=history Any idea what caused that? That whole history page looks weird. I don't know Pigsonthewing but I happened to look and saw. Hope this helps. Thanks for all the work you are doing around here. I'd help if I knew how. I just don't know the details of what is going on with the merge. So I'll just speak up when I see weird stuff. --Rogerhc (talk) 19:53, 14 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

Looks fine to me. If you see it again, take a screenshot. LtPowers (talk) 20:34, 14 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

Re: Print stuff edit

Fair enough. I'll just revert my edits. PerryPlanet (talk) 01:32, 15 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

Question about sources edit

Hey LtPowers, I caught your comment in the deletion discussion for {{ref}} and I was wondering if there was a manner for handling references on the talk page. Should I just use links for websites, or any particular formatting for books and publications? - Theornamentalist (talk) 18:42, 17 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

Draft edit

In regards to the discussion on external links, coordinates and such, I made a quick draft. Would like your opinion. - Theornamentalist (talk) 22:11, 19 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

It looks pretty good, but I have some serious concerns about allowing such articles to proliferate. It seems like they would quickly overwhelm the travel guides, and maintaining potentially hundreds of thousands of them could be very difficult. LtPowers (talk) 00:29, 20 November 2012 (UTC)Reply
I think something of the form could prove useful and could be maintained, but WV seems to be a fairly tight knit community that probably has enough on its plate. If you'd like, we can revisit this whenever, if ever, you feel the community could manage pages of this sort. - Theornamentalist (talk) 03:12, 20 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

What does "keep local" mean? edit

Hi LtPowers, *thank you* for adding those very helpful instructions at Wikivoyage:Cleanup. I probably cannot help much this week but if by next week I have acquired enough understanding of what is going on to help, I may have some time to do some image tagging. Your recently added instructions help. However, I don't quite understand what "keep local" means (what server is "local" there) nor why "keep local" would be a valid option if hosting the image on Commons would not. Could you clarify this point over at Wikivoyage:Cleanup (you will see my Question: there towards the bottom of the page, unless someone else answers and removes it, under "Tag the image. You have five choices:"). I also raised this same question at http://wts.wikivoyage-old.org/wiki/Wikivoyage:Pub_%28temporary_refuge%29#What_to_do.3F. I want to understand what these tags mean before I start labeling images with them, of course. No need to answer here if you can clarify on those two pages instead. Thanks, --Rogerhc (talk) 05:57, 20 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

Please don't do that. If you have a question, use the talk page. That's what they're for.
"KeepLocal" means that we will host the image locally here (and at any other language versions that want the image). In most cases, that will be allowed under our Wikivoyage:Non-free content policy. LtPowers (talk) 12:43, 20 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

A quick question edit

Hi LtPowers -

As you can see, I've begun the first Buffalo district article. I'm struggling, though, with the question of what material to migrate over to the district articles and what to keep in the main article, particularly as concerns the "Do" section.

For example, I'm leaning toward keeping "Sports" and "Tours" in the main article, because a) it seems like it'd be better not to wait until a reader gets into the nitty-gritty of the individual district articles before telling him about the Bills and the Sabres, and b) most of the tours encompass multiple districts.

I have less of an idea what to do about "Festivals", because some of those (i.e. the Italian Festival) are definitely linked to one neighborhood in particular, while others are not; and "Theater", where my first instinct is to tell the potential visitor to Buffalo about all of the different theater options at once, rather than breaking up the list unnecessarily.

In all cases, I'd rather not proceed until I am sure what Wikivoyage's protocol is on the matter. Your advice is appreciated.

-- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 23:34, 23 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

Regarding the comments you left on my talk page:
Firstly, thank you as always, because you did clarify the vast majority of the questions I had. The one remaining one, however, is how to deal with the "Tours". As I said earlier, many of the organized tours that exist now on the main Buffalo page encompass many districts. For example, the Open-Air Autobus of Buffalo's "Whirlwind Tour" passes through Buffalo/Downtown, Buffalo/Allentown and the Delaware District, and Buffalo/Elmwood Village and spends an approximately equal amount of time in each.
The one possible solution I've come up with is to simply cut-and-paste the information into all applicable articles, and emphasize to the reader that the tour encompasses districts other than the one he is currently reading about. Mind you, if you can help me brainstorm an alternative solution, that would be great, because the one I described above strikes me as far from ideal.
Your continued assistance, as always, is hugely appreciated. My goal is for my work on Buffalo to some day be mentioned in the same breath as our material on Chicago.
-- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 21:57, 24 November 2012 (UTC)Reply
I've finished the first Buffalo district article: Buffalo/Downtown. I'd appreciate a friendly critique to make sure I'm on the right track with the whole thing.
Specific concerns I have:
  • Is the "History" section too long? I'm a bit of a local history buff, so my first instinct is to drone on and on about it. I'm aware that such detail may be boring or not strictly necessary from a traveler's perspective, so I would like to know if I've "reeled it in" enough.
  • Is there too much focus on public transportation?
  • Anything else that might have gone completely over my head?
I'm a big fan of "plunging forward", as you know, but I much prefer to do so knowing that I am also staying true to Wikivoyage convention, which is why I'm cluttering up your talk page like this. I actually asked the same question of Peter a while back, but from what I've come to understand since then, he is dealing with tech issues on the site that are likely keeping him quite busy, so I figure it's best not to bother him now with an issue like this.
-- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 19:58, 30 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

(WT-en) Globe-trotter edit

My accounts were merged, but somehow the User:(WT-en) Globe-trotter still seems to exist, even though its user page is deleted. Could you look into it? Thanks. --Globe-trotter (talk) 20:58, 24 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

Ah okay, that is fine. I have redirected the user page of that account, so others won't think I'm blocked and know where to contact me. --Globe-trotter (talk) 12:21, 25 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

Thanks! edit

Just wanted to say thank you for merging my accounts. I appreciate all the work you do. - Tom Holland (Xltel) (talk) 04:23, 25 November 2012 (UTC)Reply

wts file review edit

I'm trying to nail down the necessary info for my uploads still remaining on wts-old. I'm stymied a little bit because I cannot view deleted files on wt/en and wt/shared. Would you mind going through and checking and then adding a license-review template to the following:

  • File:Split Point lighthouse.jpg [6]
  • File:Sheki khansarai.jpg [7]
  • File:Samoa.jpg [8]
  • File:RomePeters.jpg [9]
  • File:Niamey GrandeMosque.jpg [10]
  • File:DrentheMuseum in Assen.jpg [11]
  • File:Casino Monte Carlo.jpg [12]

Could you also review this one on Commons (as you are an admin there):

Thanks! --Peter Talk 20:36, 2 December 2012 (UTC)Reply

I've done what I can here:
  • For Sheki_khansarai.jpg, I went to the trouble of first uploading the original from en.wikivoyage-old, and then uploaded your modifications from wts.wikivoyage-old, and supplying the upload logs for both. That should preserve attribution and such. But since I uploaded it some other admin on Commons will need to verify the license.
  • For Niamey_GrandeMosque.jpg, I don't see that anything needs to be done, as the file was originally uploaded to Shared, so wts.wikivoyage-old has the full imported upload log.
  • For Split_Point_lighthouse.jpg, I didn't touch it. I'm still not sure about it, as I found a higher-res version online -- albeit on a web site with a domain name matching the uploader's username.
LtPowers (talk) 22:14, 2 December 2012 (UTC)Reply
Thank you. Could you also take a look at this [13] and confirm whether Kebes did indeed release the photo into the public domain? --Peter Talk 06:49, 4 December 2012 (UTC)Reply
I can't; for some reason IBobi has decided I'm inactive and removed my admin access. And protected my user page for some reason. This despite the fact that I edited yesterday. LtPowers (talk) 13:22, 4 December 2012 (UTC)Reply
Some of your license review templates didn't transfer with the files, strangely. Could you add reviewed templates to the following (which you already reviewed on wts-old):
Thanks! --Peter Talk 00:32, 22 December 2012 (UTC)Reply
As I said above, I can't verify File:Sheki khansarai.jpg because I uploaded it. But I've done the others. LtPowers (talk) 03:11, 22 December 2012 (UTC)Reply

IBx edit

Hi LtPowers, Thanks for everything you're doing. I just want to call your attention to some checkuser results at http://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk%3AIBdick&diff=2017390&oldid=2017310. I have no position as to whether blocks are appropriate or not, but am just providing data. Thanks! Philippe Beaudette, Wikimedia Foundation (talk) 20:17, 3 December 2012 (UTC)Reply

It looks like that mobile phone 166.137.208.*, 166.137.209.* IP range which was being used to troll a few weeks ago is back. Might be worth keeping an eye on these? K7L (talk) 00:09, 20 December 2012 (UTC)Reply
It's difficult to keep an eye on IP ranges. That particular edit seems fine to me, but I appreciate your attention to possible trouble. I'll try to drop by Recent Changes more often. LtPowers (talk) 00:11, 20 December 2012 (UTC)Reply

Re: Thoughts from LtPowers edit

Thank you sincerely for your feedback on User talk:AndreCarrotflower/Downtown—all excellent points that are well taken.

A few things I wanted to respond to in particular:

  • I had gone over "History" already to remove the overlap with Buffalo#History, and thought I caught everything. Inasmuch as there is information from Buffalo#History repeated in Downtown#History, it's usually there as a sort of introduction to set up examples that are specific to the district (i.e. the beginning of the third paragraph, which boils down to "Buffalo began to shrink and deindustrialize after WW2... for downtown, this meant Main Street department stores became less busy"). If you have any specific examples of how this could read better, I'd love to hear them.
  • Not sure what you mean by "the Dunkirk station" that's referenced in "By train". (Did you mean Buffalo#By train?)
  • Regarding 710 Main Theatre/Studio Arena as "Western New York's only professional regional theatre": that information was taken directly from a Wayback Machine-archived version of the theatre's own website [14], which one might consider the prototypical "reliable source". Again with the ambiguity of "Western New York"...
  • In the "Eat" section, the Anchor Bar is listed under "Frank & Teressa's Anchor Bar", the full name that's used consistently on their website, signage, menu, etc.
  • Regarding coffeeshops: that actually solves a problem with the Allentown/Delaware District article, where I'd been struggling to find a place to stick Café 59. How do you suggest I set this up—separate "Bars" and "Coffeehouses" subsections under "Drink"?
  • For lodgings, I prefer to reserve the "Budget" section for hotels and motels rather than hostels. A youth hostel is a distinctly different experience than an Econo Lodge, Motel 6 or the like, and geared toward a distinctly different type of traveler. The only thing the two have in common, IMO, is low price. Same rule will apply to B&B's, which figure in to some future district articles.
  • I will likely fold "Stay healthy" into "Cope", rather than "Stay safe". That exchange I had with User:AHeneen was stuck in my head for a long time after it concluded. I had never seen it done that way before—hospitals under "Cope"—but it made more and more sense the more I thought it over.
  • Your assumption regarding St. Paul's Episcopal is correct; I will correct the text accordingly.

My aspiration is for everything I write here to be among the best articles Wikivoyage has to offer. So it's good to hear such high praise from someone who's done work as stellar as yours—the docent of a Star article and Wikivoyage's only two-time DotM, no less. If you're in the mood for some more reading material (or another opportunity to critique my work, or more inspiration to cross inside the Interstate loop), I'm speeding toward the finish line on the second district article—Allentown and the Delaware District. IMO this will be at least as interesting an article as Downtown, if not more so.

--(WT-en) AndreCarrotflower 12:46, 2 January 2013 (UTC)Reply

I meant Depew, not Dunkirk. Always get those D-suburbs mixed up (and yes, I know how far out Dunkirk is). I'm a bit surprised the Anchor Bar is so expensive; I expected to find it under "Budget" -- and yes, I also expected to find it under "A", not "F". Official usage by include the names, but popular usage doesn't; I'm not sure it's worth the risk to the unsavvy traveler. For coffeeshops, my personal preference is a single coffee subheading, leaving the bars in the top-level section. There's been some disagreement over the best place for coffee listings, though; some people think that Drink should be just for nightlife. If I get a chance, I'll take a closer look at the History section. LtPowers (talk) 14:41, 2 January 2013 (UTC)Reply

USA - Drink edit

I'm not sure moving the legalese about drinking age and DUI to the top of the drink section is a good idea. This stuff is borderline captain obvious, and it's certianly not a gripping read. The locations of wine regions and the difference between malt and rye are fairly interesting and, I think, deserve greater prominence. Travelpleb (talk) 17:01, 3 January 2013 (UTC)Reply

The rule is usually "general before specific", so I wanted to get the legal stuff out of the way first. I'm not sure what exactly is obvious about stating the legal drinking age, either. I'm not wedded to the exact wording in the "public drinking" paragraph, of course; I just moved it as-is, and it could probably be pared down a bit. LtPowers (talk) 18:04, 3 January 2013 (UTC)Reply
How shall we define "general" and "specific"?
Half of all alcohol consumed in the U.S. is beer. Therefore, beer consumption is pretty general.
Drink driving, I hope, involves far less than half the national alcohol consumption. It especially loses relevance given that most people using a travel guide won't have a car (at least when they're using said travel guide.)
Drinking in public is also pretty specific. People generally drink in bars.
America's globally pervasive media and culture makes its drinking age fairly common knowledge across the world. Most drinkers are also generally over 21 by the sheer fact that most people are over 21. But I'll grant that it could stay at top.Travelpleb (talk) 18:22, 3 January 2013 (UTC)Reply
The bulk of the Drink section discusses various types of alcohol; the section should lead with information that applies to all types of alcohol, rather than burying it at the bottom after discussion of spirits. That's basic good writing, and semantic gymnastics don't change that. LtPowers (talk) 18:43, 3 January 2013 (UTC)Reply
I am sorry you should think I am employing Socratic trickery. I will try to be more plain. The article should be constructed with the most relevant information first. DUI and public drinking are peripheral to drinking generally. What one drinks, unless one is addicted, is usually the main concern. Travelpleb (talk) 19:50, 3 January 2013 (UTC)Reply
I was not accusing you of trickery, just pointing out that you were using creative applications of the words "general" and "specific" to support your preferred ordering. Since we disagree, this discussion should be continued at the article's talk page where others can weigh in. LtPowers (talk) 19:58, 3 January 2013 (UTC)Reply
I was being matter of fact, there's nothing creative in it. The most relevant information is not whether you can drink in parks. Can you honestly think that it is? The legal stuff is also dull. Leading with it is a real turn off. Can we compromise with legal age at the top and DUI and the like at the bottom?Travelpleb (talk) 20:07, 3 January 2013 (UTC)Reply
I don't think this is a case where compromise is useful; I don't see this as a negotiation. How (not) to drink is just as important as what to drink, and moving it to the bottom again violates the principle of "general before specific". Again, I would ask that this discussion be adjourned to a more appropriate location, like the article's talk page, where we can get additional input. LtPowers (talk) 20:14, 3 January 2013 (UTC)Reply
Wikis are compromises in their very nature. Don't forget to revert to the status quo until this is resolved via consensus.Travelpleb (talk) 20:32, 3 January 2013 (UTC)Reply

I added subsection headers. Does this allay concerns about ease of finding particular information? --Peter Talk 22:41, 3 January 2013 (UTC)Reply

Moving the happy hour sentence to the Nightlife section makes sense to me. =) LtPowers (talk) 00:29, 4 January 2013 (UTC)Reply
Peter, thanks for trying to help. I'm going to be bold and try to press you for an actual opinion, rather than a compromise. How do you think the article should be ordered?Travelpleb (talk) 11:29, 4 January 2013 (UTC)Reply
That wasn't a compromise, it was an alternate solution, which I think makes more sense ;) --Peter Talk 18:11, 4 January 2013 (UTC)Reply

Assistance in getting my SUL account to work at Wikivoyage edit

I would like work on Wikivoyage, just as I work on Commons, Wikiversity, Wikibooks, and other Wikimedia projects. Because of an out-of-process "global lock" that was placed on my Thekohser account by Mike.lifeguard (who later quit, after it was discovered that he had no authority to apply such a lock on a user account that was posing no cross-wiki problems), Wikivoyage seems to be rejecting my single user log-in. The way that Commons, Wikiversity, and Wikibooks got around this was to have one of their bureaucrats "rename" Thekohser to another account name, then switch it back again to Thekohser. I am wondering if you, as a bureaucrat, would be kind enough to do me this favor on Wikivoyage? Any questions, simply e-mail me at thekohser (at) Gmail (dot) com. - Thekohser (temporary) (talk) 17:53, 11 January 2013 (UTC)Reply

  1. It is not my decision to unblock you or not. As a bureaucrat, I am naught but a soulless functionary, empowered to execute the will of the Wikivoyage community, and nothing else.
  2. Considering the global lock was placed at the behest of Jimbo Wales himself, your characterization of the placement strikes me as incomplete at best.
  3. Considering you remain blocked on major wikis like English Wikipedia and English Wiktionary, I am disinclined to consider your request non-controversial.
If you truly want to contribute constructively -- and please note that we have considerably less patience for battlefield mentalities than most WMF wikis do -- then I suggest doing so with an alternative account name, one that doesn't carry the baggage of "Thekohser". Alternatively, you can make your case to the community, but I suggest being more forthright regarding the reasons for your global lock than you were here.
-- LtPowers (talk) 18:18, 11 January 2013 (UTC)Reply

HTML edit

I'm sorry to trouble you, but I'm baffled by this edit summary: "...we have never discouraged the use of HTML entities, so far as I know..."

Exactly that policy has been extant at HTML for more than seven years: http://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Wikivoyage:Avoid_HTML&oldid=1765921 and you yourself made a revert there very recently. Almost anything inside a pair of angled brackets is HTML, you know. -- Alice 23:33, 14 January 2013 (UTC)

I don't read that as applying to minor character entities, but I suppose I could be wrong on that. LtPowers (talk) 23:56, 14 January 2013 (UTC)Reply
Then I think you need to carefully read the advice at HTML again.
How exactly is something like "&ndash;" or, even worse, "&#8211;" easier to edit and less likely to intimidate casual editors than other HTML like "<bold>revert</bold>" or "<strong>rv</strong>" ?!?
Will you restore my text or should I, please? -- Alice 00:07, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
Even if your interpretation is correct, it's out of place on a page otherwise devoted to time and date formatting. There is absolutely no need to explicitly prohibit '&ndash;' on that page. LtPowers (talk) 00:25, 15 January 2013 (UTC)Reply
At the moment (and it's my fond hope this situation continues) that's the only article page (as opposed to article discussion page) that mentions pesky en dashes. How (where?) exactly are we going to give advice that we don't want these HTML entities popping up all over the place? If you really think that the policy at HTML is wrong then, personally I have no problem, but it does seem weird to have this recommendation to use a character that most users will never have heard of and will be unable to find on their keyboard/touch screen and then not tell them how to use it or the alternatives. -- Alice 01:51, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
I agree, which is why I oppose Tony's change of the hyphens to dashes. LtPowers (talk) 02:12, 15 January 2013 (UTC)Reply
In that case, I'm afraid we're back to my original query.
Why delete
  • Use an en dash for time ranges in preference to a hyphen: 2–5PM, not 2-5PM; 09:00–13:00, not 09:00-13:00. (However, if you can not easily type an en dash, use a hyphen instead since we discourage the insertion of HTML entities like "&ndash;" or "&#8211;" for the same reasons we discourage the use of other raw HTML.)
but let
  • Use an en dash for time ranges in preference to a hyphen: 2–5PM, not 2-5PM; 09:00–13:00, not 09:00-13:00.
What about if I modify my text to:
  • Use an en dash for time ranges in preference to a hyphen: 2–5PM, not 2-5PM; 09:00–13:00, not 09:00-13:00.
    However, if you can not easily type an en dash, use a hyphen instead (since we discourage the insertion of the alternative HTML markup like "&ndash;" or "&#8211;").
? -- Alice 02:32, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
Because not only do I disagree with the advice, I also think it's ridiculous to get into that level of minutia on an otherwise unrelated page. LtPowers (talk) 02:59, 15 January 2013 (UTC)Reply
It is sometimes really frustrating not being able to talk eyeball to eyeball. I'm sure if we could we'd sort this out in the blink of an eye.
Tell me what part of this I've got wrong or misunderstood:
1) Nowhere else in the entire corpus of non User talk pages and non discussion pages do we give any mention to the en dash.
2) Suddenly out of a clear blue sky (and without the magic "consensus" that I always seem to be being reverted for) an entirely new POLICY commandment is inserted: "Use an en dash for time ranges in preference to a hyphen..." Here's that edit by Tony, just in case you missed it: http://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=Wikivoyage:Time_and_date_formats&diff=next&oldid=2074420
3) You don't revert this new policy commandment (that you say above that you disagree with)
4) Since it's rarely my style (and there seem to be lots of others ostensibly opposed to this breathtakingly tedious new policy who are also watching) I do not revert this controversial new policy commandment, but instead try to modify the tedious effect of it on all those non-Mac users that don't know where to find an en dash from an em dash on their non-Mac keyboards (and also the chaotic effect of all those smarty-pants HTML aficionados who, instead, will think they have to clog up thousands of articles with exactly the HTML that it has been long-standing policy to deprecate and avoid), by making an edit that is almost exactly in line with what I earlier said on very same the policy article's discussion page: "There is also the trivial point that, if the en dash is enshrined in our MoS, we should still discourage the insertion of constructions like "&#8211;" and "&ndash;" for the same reasons we discourage the use of raw HTML (where alternatives exist).". If you (or anyone else) disagreed with that sentiment, then I must have missed it.
5) You revert me (twice) but leave the new command (inserted without consensus) intact "Use an en dash for time ranges in preference to a hyphen"
6) Since there is currently no other policy page that mandates this en dash, where exactly on Wikivoyage would it be appropriate to point out that, if one can't find it on one's keyboard, one should not use "&#8211;" and "&ndash;" ?
7) I assume you will be rattling over to change our Star article criteria very shortly? -- Alice 04:00, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
I didn't revert Tony because we were already in a dispute and I chose to discuss it on the talk page instead, and because his change might be acceptable to the community. I can understand how that might seem inconsistent to you, and I apologize. LtPowers (talk) 12:54, 15 January 2013 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for the explanation.
If I'm wicked then, I suppose the lesson to draw from all this is that I should enter into the dispute first with you and then make (what I would regard as an otherwise uncontroversial) edit (cheeky grin)? Seriously, I'm still baffled as to why we should not advise editors on the only page (I notice you've not contradicted my factual statements above) that mentions these pesky en dashes that, if they can't type them in natively, they should not resort to HTML! Since I can't type en dashes natively, and the advice is policy if it is on that page, I have decided to consistently try and use the "&ndash;" HTML entity on the basis that is the least incomprehensible of the two alternatives to newbies, is easily spotted by humans and can then be removed by bots if our policy does change (as I hope it does) in future. -- Alice 20:53, 15 January 2013 (UTC)
Remember, policy pages describe our current practice, not proscribe it. Please, continue using either Unicode — dashes — or simple hyphens if you don't like the look of &mdash; and &ndash;. And certainly don't edit a page just to change one to another. LtPowers (talk) 22:21, 15 January 2013 (UTC)Reply

Toronto maps edit

Hi Lt Powers. I see what you mean - the computer I drew them on wasn't very bright so the white showed up. Now that I'm on a different screen, the roads are hard to see. I'll fix it up tonight. Cheers -Shaundd (talk) 15:05, 15 January 2013 (UTC)Reply

I uploaded new maps, although I'm not sure how long it will be before the thumbnails draw properly. Not sure if I'm doing something wrong or if this is normal for Commons when a new version of an existing image is uploaded. -Shaundd (talk) 06:46, 16 January 2013 (UTC)Reply

A brief question edit

How would you recommend adding supermarkets/grocery stores to the listings? Should they go in Eat, Buy, or just be left out entirely?

It strikes me that travelers on a budget might prefer that option to constantly eating out, and for the next Buffalo district article that I'll be beginning work on, it's a relevant question.

-- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:23, 15 January 2013 (UTC)Reply

Edit filters edit

Hi, noticed you enabled the disallow. The problem and why I hadn't enabled it before is that it should also warn the user beside disallowing the edit, so the user knows that is going on. For this purpose enwiki has a specific message, but it relies on a template and I still haven't figured out if I can import them or not. It would help us a lot as all of the edit filters messages on enwiki use it :) Snowolf How can I help? 02:56, 17 January 2013 (UTC)Reply

Also I was leaving a few disabled with the thought of leaving them up for monitoring and seeing if we get any false positive, but that one is indeed a sure enable :) Snowolf How can I help? 02:57, 17 January 2013 (UTC)Reply
A fair point. What happens if it's just Disallow, without Warn? I noticed that the Page Creation Spammer filter is set to just Disallow, so I thought it'd be okay. LtPowers (talk) 03:05, 17 January 2013 (UTC)Reply
As far as a warning, can't it just use MediaWiki:Abusefilter-warning like the "poop" filter does? LtPowers (talk) 03:07, 17 January 2013 (UTC)Reply
Hmm I don't think the current warning is very informative either, but see w:MediaWiki:Abusefilter-warning-blanking. Like there's valid reasons a user might try to blank a page and we should try to educate him on what to do, while to add poop, not so much, it's run of the mill vandalism :) As for what it does without the warn, I am not really sure, edit filters are not where I work usually... I assume they get a less tidy message saying the edit is denied by filter #whatever or something. Snowolf How can I help? 03:15, 17 January 2013 (UTC)Reply

Catskills/HV boundary, and another possible solution edit

I did a little more poking around, and I see that those regions are based on the state's divisions, which frankly, we all admit, aren't the best but serve if you're insisting that every county belong to one region and one region alone.

I stated that the Catskill portions of Ulster and Greene counties are the western and southwestern portions (basically, west of Rondout Creek and the Blue Line in Ulster and the western portion of Greene County). The famous problem of the Catskills is that, apart from the one hard boundary (the Catskill Escarpment on the northeast, where the mountains rise to almost 4,000 feet from the valley floor without any foothills), there's no easy way to define the region's boundaries (aside from "when there are no longer two rocks for every dirt" in the soil :-)). I'd be comfortable including all of Sullivan, Delaware and Schoharie counties as well.

Actually, what we could perhaps more easily do is just rename the regions: Eastern Hudson Valley and Western Hudson Valley/Catskills. Something like that. I'm still figuring this out. Daniel Case (talk) 00:11, 21 January 2013 (UTC)Reply

The regions actually don't resemble the state's in any significant fashion; any semblance is more coincidence than anything else. I would prefer something more traveler-oriented than simply renaming the existing regions; if New Paltz and Kingston (New York) fit better in a Hudson Valley region with Poughkeepsie, then that's where they should be. I encourage you to weigh in at Talk:New York (state)#Regions again, again as I only know Western NY and Peter only knows Northern NY. If you know the Valley at all, you're one up on us. LtPowers (talk) 00:34, 21 January 2013 (UTC)Reply
I'm thinking that it would be better if we created "Capital District" with Albany, Schenectady, Rensselaer and (possibly) Saratoga and Washington counties (the latter is currently included in the Hudson Valley, which is absurd). That's actually the grouping we use at WikiProject Capital District.

And we should put Orange County in the Hudson Valley, not the Catskills ... save for oddities like the current boundaries of the 101st Assembly district (mine), no one sees any way by which Orange County is in the Catskills.

I think Ulster and Greene should stay where they are, but we can include more valley-relevant info related to them in that article as well.

I'll put this on the state talk page soon. Daniel Case (talk) 17:44, 14 March 2013 (UTC)Reply

range block edit

Powers! Anon Ip with a dynamic IP of‎-42 is continiously vandalising Europe. I have never done a range block. How can i do it? Tried to write‎-42 but this seems not the correct way. jan (talk) 15:36, 23 January 2013 (UTC)Reply

I think it's with a slash, but I'm not positive; I've never done it. LtPowers (talk) 15:36, 23 January 2013 (UTC)Reply
ok, then i will do some trial and error gaming. I try not to block everyone ;-) jan (talk) 15:38, 23 January 2013 (UTC)Reply
mw:Help:Range blocks. LtPowers (talk) 15:38, 23 January 2013 (UTC)Reply
For the record, the block you would want to cover those 4-5 ips is In that case, it looks like reverts may have been more effective though. The risk with a short-term range block is that the vandal just comes back at the expiry. The risk with a long-term one is that it might snare non-vandals that are trying to edit from the same range by coincidence. As long as the vandalism isn't too crazy, reverts are usually better than a range block IMO. --Peter Talk 01:36, 24 January 2013 (UTC)Reply
Btw, to figure out what ranges to block, I check the very simple and helpful blockcalc tool [15]. --Peter Talk 01:37, 24 January 2013 (UTC)Reply
Yeah, I moved the conversation to Jan's talk page and did my calculations there. Good to know I got the right result! LtPowers (talk) 01:37, 24 January 2013 (UTC)Reply

Re:Administrator nomination edit

Thanks very much for the nomination. I would have originally declined, thinking it was too soon (I'm used to waiting 2 years or so!). But there appears to be quite a bit of support, and it would definitely come in handy. So I do accept. Thanks again! JamesA >talk 00:34, 31 January 2013 (UTC)Reply

If you look up at the top of this page, you'll see I joined in May 2008 and was nominated for administrator by August, so you're behind the curve!  ;) LtPowers (talk) 01:26, 31 January 2013 (UTC)Reply
Oh, and please post your acceptance at the nominations page. LtPowers (talk) 01:26, 31 January 2013 (UTC)Reply
Only 3 months? You must've been working pretty damn hard! I've made a note on the nominations page. JamesA >talk 01:51, 31 January 2013 (UTC)Reply

Subway icons edit

Sorry about that - I had looked for a discussion on those icons but couldn't find one, so I decided to plunge forward with a few other articles and see if there were any complaints before continuing. It didn't occur to me to check the talk page of the template itself! PerryPlanet (talk) 19:50, 2 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

Not a problem at all; that's the first I'd seen of that template and I think in needs some discussion. LtPowers (talk) 19:59, 2 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

Replied edit

Hello hey I replied at Talk:Walt Disney World. Curtaintoad (curtain or toad) 06:14, 9 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

Template:Disambiguation edit

The longer version couldn't actually be used as a template, and duplicates information already at, and rightfully belonging at, Wikivoyage:Disambiguation anyway, so I just redirected it to Template:Disamb Purplebackpack89 21:38, 17 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

Internet as proper noun edit

Hi, Lt. It can be but and maybe usually is, but it doesn't have to be. See [16]. And I'd prefer it not to be capitalized, but I guess we may have to debate that, like everything else. :-)

All the best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:43, 18 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

I understand, but the fact that it is disputed is all the more reason to leave it be and not change it to lowercase. LtPowers (talk) 01:05, 19 February 2013 (UTC)Reply
There are lots of instances of lower-case "internet" in listings throughout the guide. Do you care about those? Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:54, 19 February 2013 (UTC)Reply
I do, but I leave them be because I recognize there's some dispute over the case. LtPowers (talk) 16:07, 19 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

Bureaucratism edit

Hola, could I bug you to handle a couple admin nom issues? User:Jmh649 is ready for his admin buttons, and Sats' nomination should be archived, if you have a minute – cacahuate talk 22:19, 18 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

Rename edit

Hello LtPowers. You're a bureaucrat here on the English Wikivoyage. Hey, can you please rename me to User:Space ? I will probably make a very good user page. Thanks, Curtaintoad (curtain or toad) 09:37, 20 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

Hello edit

Hello LtPowers. You have a new message at Curtaintoad's talk page. Thanks, Curtaintoad (curtain or toad) 10:50, 22 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

Would you like to explain the ban on links to our sister site to a small number of contributors in the IRC channel? edit

Hi there Lieutenant with Powers. I very so shocked when you swiftly and unconstructively ridded Wikioyage of my helpful links from the Pakistan article to two Wikipedia pages explaining obscure terms that many readers are unlikely to know.

I've read a few pages / discussions on the topic and most of them seems to be from before Wikivoyag joined Wikimedia.

I wonder if you would like to discuss what seems like a bad arbitrary rule to a couple of us in the #wikivoyage channel on IRC at irc.freenode.net where I must admit I've been ranting about this. — Hippietrail (talk) 01:46, 25 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

I'm afraid I don't have the time to hop on IRC at the moment. Discussion on this topic has been very light since January, and it's kind of been spread around a bit rather than centralized. You may find Wikivoyage:Travellers' pub#Wikipedia links helpful. Our operative policy is Wikivoyage:Links to Wikipedia. Please let me know if you have any questions. LtPowers (talk) 02:38, 25 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

"Upright" as an image parameter edit

My edit summary to this edit was unusually explanatory: "enlarged image in lead paragraph to display at a factor of 1.5 times users default set in preferences or default set by IP user's screen resolution, change ToC positioning to avoid squeezed worm" and should have given you a clue that you need to educate yourself before jumping in. Please take the time to read all of the relevant Wikipedia article that is referenced here (the reference was helpfully removed from our own image articles by User:Peterfitzgerald). See the English Wikipedia documentation for details of why this parameter is not just for portrait style images. -- Alice 06:50, 25 February 2013 (UTC)

Apologies, then. But it was still inappropriate because there is no consensus for widespread use of relative thumbnail sizing. LtPowers (talk) 17:52, 25 February 2013 (UTC)Reply
I don't thinks it's ever inappropriate to put the needs of the traveller first. Except for ignorance, why ever would you want to flout the technical means provided by the wikimedia software developers, our WMF hosts and our users themselves (when they either change or accept a default thumbnail width in their preferences). Thanks for listening. -- Alice 20:48, 25 February 2013 (UTC)
We have traditionally exerted more control over image widths. Gain consensus for changing that before making widespread changes. LtPowers (talk) 01:42, 26 February 2013 (UTC)Reply
I know this is going to sound like a smart-Alec riposte, but are you conceding that it is only a blind and ignorant tradition that means many editors still specify a thumbnail image width? Or are there actually good, rational reasons not to allow the reader their own choice of thumbnail image display size when they are logged on (or an image display size appropriate to the resolution of their devices when they're not)? -- Alice 01:58, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
Sure, we're always conscious of how our pages will look in print, and it's very hard to make sure maps are readable when printed without specifying a particular width. And once you've selected a width for the map, it's nice to be able to set the size of the photographs to harmonize appropriately. I hope that's good and rational enough for you. LtPowers (talk) 02:00, 26 February 2013 (UTC)Reply
In the past that was an excellent reason. I'll have to do some more research on how the current Books option works before I can reply. I hope that will be within a couple of months. -- Alice 02:05, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
Fair enough. I'm not set against a change to prefer relative sizes, but there is a method to our madness, and it should be considered carefully. LtPowers (talk) 02:07, 26 February 2013 (UTC)Reply
My preliminary conclusions after printing both the current version of La_Macarena and User:Alice/Kitchen/La_Macarena-image_widths_not_fixed using the three left-hand gutter options of
   Create a book
   Download as PDF
   Printable version
is that I prefer the image_widths_not_fixed version - if only because that uses less of those expensive colour inks. However, I do now think that we need to think very seriously about introducing another "print only" parameter so that editors can specify appropriate image print widths that will not flout the preferences of those reading on-line.
Far more important than all of this, in my view though, is the fact that the Mobile view option right at the bottom of the page seems to be completely buggered! -- Alice 02:41, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
The mobile version looks okay to me. What specifically are you seeing? LtPowers (talk) 15:08, 26 February 2013 (UTC)Reply
Screenshot taken 2013-02-27 08:14:26hrs of Mobile version of Wikivoyage article La Macarena showing that ONLY the lead image, paragraph and section headers are displaying!
Do you get to see the rest of the article? --Singapore.Alice (talk) 19:17, 26 February 2013 (UTC) That's not a sock of mine contributing. (I created a new account on Wikimedia Commons in order to upload some images; unfortunately my usual user name was unavailable and, as the next best alternative, I chose instead to create an account with the same name I had on Wikitravel. It seems like it automatically created this parallel account here!) -- Alice 19:23, 26 February 2013 (UTC)Reply
You have to click the section headers to view each one, as indicated by the expansion-arrows on the right. This reduces the bandwidth needed to initially load a page. LtPowers (talk) 19:53, 26 February 2013 (UTC)Reply
It would be a more intuitive UI if the arrows were changed to a plus sign in a box and moved immediately adjacent to the section heading. I'm not the only silly airhead that may miss this!
The whole page actually does load immediately (so no roaming charges are reduced); it's just that it doesn't display without active user intervention - that means that folks pay the data charges but may never get to see what they have paid for... -- Alice 20:05, 26 February 2013 (UTC)
Well I'm not sure there's much we can do about either of those; they're built in to the MediaWiki mobile site generator. I think the intuitiveness is a little more obvious on a mobile device, however, where the arrows will appear much closer to the headings than they do on a desktop. LtPowers (talk) 20:09, 26 February 2013 (UTC)Reply
Yes, that's right. Thanks for listening and sorry for the (mostly) false alarm with Mobile display. I'll keep thinking about the trade off between the on-line and print versions - I'm pretty sure there's a technical solution to this! -- Alice 20:13, 26 February 2013 (UTC)

Réunion & Namibia maps edit

See Wikivoyage_talk:Regions_map_Expedition#R.C3.A9union_.26_Namibia_maps. --Andyrom75 (talk) 21:51, 10 March 2013 (UTC)Reply

Sorry edit

Re: [17], I'm not sure what happened - apologies for the mix-up. -- Ryan • (talk) • 16:58, 12 April 2013 (UTC)Reply

No problem; my word choice in the edit summary probably wasn't ideal. LtPowers (talk) 17:02, 12 April 2013 (UTC)Reply

Cities, towns, etc. not being listable in "Other destinations" edit

Hi. First of all, where is the policy discussion on this? Secondly, why not? The point of the rule of 9 is psychological: that people have trouble absorbing more than 9 items at a time. Otherwise, there's nothing whatsoever sacrosanct about it. So if there's room for a few cities or towns in "Other destinations," why not? Or, alternatively, if that's not OK, how about 9 cities and 9 towns or villages, then 9 "Other destinations," where that's considered a better solution for the reader/traveler? Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:23, 22 April 2013 (UTC)Reply

I don't know what to tell you, Ikan, except that we've always done it that way. Discussion of it has been scattered throughout the site, but I thought everyone was on the same page on this. Maybe you should bring it up on the Pub if you think it should change. LtPowers (talk) 15:18, 22 April 2013 (UTC)Reply

Pacific North West edit

Hi LtPowers,

I noticed that you deleted my recent attempt at a revision at Pacific Northwest and I'm hoping you can elaborate? The current list is a joke? Is it maybe an April Fools thing? Right now Opal Creek is listed as a top level destination?!? Have you ever been to Opal Creek? I was specifically looking at California when I started to develop this section better which has a similar division of Other Destination, is there a reason why you would delete this in the PNW on not in California? The PNW is all about outdoor activities and National and State Parks and the current layout is embarrassing to put it mildly. Maybe we could discuss this further on the discussion page in interest of transparency? Lumpytrout (talk) 18:11, 25 April 2013 (UTC)Reply

Well, I only noticed it on the PNW article because it was just done. I don't know about California. We don't usually allow more than nine other destinations, because the lists are not supposed to be exhaustive. LtPowers (talk) 18:57, 25 April 2013 (UTC)Reply
okay, I will work on it. But that was a pretty broad deletion. Lumpytrout (talk) 19:57, 25 April 2013 (UTC)Reply
It was not a deletion but a reversion back to the last version that followed our guidelines. We're pretty strict with those lists because people like to add to them until they bloat up into uselessness; we tend to just revert and invite changes to be discussed on the talk page. LtPowers (talk) 20:27, 25 April 2013 (UTC)Reply

Finger Lakes map edit

I like the idea of using shades of red/pink, I'll try for that. I didn't realize there was an overall color scheme going on here, I just tried to pick colors from the NY map, but slightly altered so the roads could still stand out. As for the text sizes, that was just the map going wonky on me. Let me see about fixing those two things... PerryPlanet (talk) 20:05, 30 April 2013 (UTC)Reply

There we go. How does that look? PerryPlanet (talk) 20:26, 30 April 2013 (UTC)Reply
The map looks OK, though I'd find a slightly darker shade easier on the eyes. But the color-coding for regions in the list is too similar, in my opinion. I can easily make out the different shades, but I think some people with weaker eyesight might have trouble. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:40, 1 May 2013 (UTC)Reply

See Vs. Other Destinations edit

So, I guess I've been over using the Other Destinations section and you have been moving some of my entries into other sections. I get that now and will try to limit to 7-9 entries, but I was wondering if you could give me some examples of regions that you think are divided up well? I'm having a bit of a hard time filling the void. Lumpytrout (talk) 13:07, 2 May 2013 (UTC)Reply

License reviews edit

Hey, would you mind checking File:Chicago-banner2.jpg and File:Chicago-banner3.jpg, and then adding {{license review}} to each. (They are KeepLocal because of the sculpture.) Thanks! --Peter Talk 21:17, 10 May 2013 (UTC)Reply

Category:Exclude in print edit

I deleted this because I was told by User:Sven Manguard that this category no longer works. --Rschen7754 21:29, 12 May 2013 (UTC)Reply

Thanks; I noticed Sven's changes later. It would have been nice to have some sort of notification so we don't just see unexplained changes happening in our watchlists. =) LtPowers (talk) 02:03, 13 May 2013 (UTC)Reply
Yeah, sorry about that. Oversight on my part. Sven Manguard Wha? 02:40, 13 May 2013 (UTC)Reply

Chautauqua County disambig edit

Hi. I saw this entry: "moved page Chautauqua County (New York) to Chautauqua County ‎(Pointless disambiguation)". It's certainly arguable that the disambiguation is not needed right now (though I'd disagree - see below), but it isn't pointless. There's a Chautauqua County in Southeast Kansas, too. I think it's probably best to keep a disambig and point the one in Kansas to Southeastern Kansas. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:29, 14 May 2013 (UTC)Reply

Apologies, we didn't have a page at Chautauqua County so I didn't know. LtPowers (talk) 21:18, 14 May 2013 (UTC)Reply
Not a problem! Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:47, 14 May 2013 (UTC)Reply

Iceland edit

I made the edit, because "Iceland is a a mountainous island nation in the north Atlantic Ocean" sounds really weird to me. Iceland can be a nation, but I don't think it is a mountainous nation, since most of the population lives in coastal cities and towns. If you think the sentence is ok like that, I give up, not being a native speaker ;-) Danapit (talk) 13:00, 15 May 2013 (UTC)Reply

While "nation" (referring to the people) and "country" (referring to the geographic area) technically have different meanings, in practice, English speakers tend to use them interchangeably. If you think it would parse better as "mountainous island country", I wouldn't object. =) Thanks for your attention to detail! LtPowers (talk) 13:11, 15 May 2013 (UTC)Reply
(edit conflict) If we want to get really technical, a nation refers to a culturally linguistically homogeneous people with a shared history. So if Iceland is a nation, all or most of its citizens would be of the same ethnicity. Either way, I think the "island nation" wording as it stands is fine and makes complete sense. Edit: beat me to it, LtPowers! JamesA >talk 13:13, 15 May 2013 (UTC)Reply

Sorry! edit

Hi! It feels like I've been disagreeing a lot with you lately and I'm sorry if it's come across like that. It's been a bit of a stressful week here, and its very easy to transfer one's passions over to Wikivoyage and to misidentify lithographs... :D Either way, I'm sorry for digging my heels in occasionally; you do a great job on here and it's much appreciated. :) --Nick (talk) 14:15, 16 May 2013 (UTC)Reply

Thanks! But I hadn't really noticed anything odd. LtPowers (talk) 14:16, 16 May 2013 (UTC)Reply
I must just be paranoid then! :) --Nick (talk) 16:06, 16 May 2013 (UTC)Reply

File move edit

Hey, would you mind using your superpowers to move Commons:File:LA City raw.svg to Commons:File:Mapping L.A. neighborhood boundaries.svg. I forgot to change the name field when uploading. Thanks! --Peter Talk 02:54, 17 May 2013 (UTC)Reply

I'm not clear on what you want here. The latter filename already exists, with several uploads in the file history, while the former file predates the last two revisions of the latter. If you want to replace "Mapping L.A. neighborhood boundaries" with the file at "LA City raw", then just upload it over top and tag the other one with a speedy template. LtPowers (talk) 13:30, 17 May 2013 (UTC)Reply
Sorry, I meant to request to move it to Commons:File:Mapping L.A. City neighborhood boundaries.svg. Late night typing :/ --Peter Talk 16:22, 17 May 2013 (UTC)Reply
Okay, done! For future reference, requests using commons:Template:Rename usually get addressed pretty quickly. I don't mind doing it myself, but other Commons admins are happy to do it too. LtPowers (talk) 23:17, 17 May 2013 (UTC)Reply

Nothing personal edit

LtPowers, you do a great job here! I think it's perfectly OK for us to strongly disagree on some things; wouldn't it be terribly boring if everyone always agreed on everything? And none of the stuff we talk about here is that important, in the scheme of things. I spend a lot of time here when I probably should be doing something else, because it's fun. I'm sorry if I have been making things less than fun for you, and especially if you've felt insulted by anything I posted.

All my best to you, and congratulations on those banners you've been posting!

Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:50, 23 May 2013 (UTC)Reply

Thanks. It just seemed like you were criticizing a lot of my efforts lately. I'm overly sensitive sometimes. =) LtPowers (talk) 23:53, 23 May 2013 (UTC)Reply
I understand. I will try to be more sensitive and show more appreciation, because I respect your work very much. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:56, 23 May 2013 (UTC)Reply
I've also ended up taking opposing positions from you in a number of discussions lately, and as Ikan noted if any disagreement seems personal that is not my intention. In the interest of full disclosure, however, I have been frustrated at times when it seems that you (or anyone else for that matter) are simply saying "no" rather than trying to find ways to address the concerns raised - to me that often feels like the concerns of those with opposing viewpoints are not being considered, or are being minimized as unimportant. I'm sure I do the same thing much, much more often than I realize, but it's tough to tell how others perceive me through the muddled medium of internet discussion - any suggestions for self-improvement would be appreciated. Last of all, hopefully you understand that this comment is by no means meant to diminish my admiration for the great editorial work you do around here, and for the useful opinions you bring to discussions - it's hugely helpful to have a diversity of feedback expressed in discussions. -- Ryan • (talk) • 00:47, 24 May 2013 (UTC)Reply

USGS images edit

LtPowers, you make really pretty banners! You uploaded the satellite pic of the Finger Lakes in the Commons, so I was wondering if you could tell me, where you find them? Danapit (talk) 18:48, 24 May 2013 (UTC)Reply

http://landsatlook.usgs.gov/ is where I got the Finger Lakes images; the interface is kind of confusing, but I was able to figure it out enough to get the images I needed. I then stitched the images together in Hugin. LtPowers (talk) 18:57, 24 May 2013 (UTC)Reply
Oh, interesting. Thanks! Danapit (talk) 19:29, 24 May 2013 (UTC)Reply

Bottom-level regions edit

Hi, LtPowers. That was a policy I didn't know about, but I think I should know more about it. Do you have any idea where I could see a clarification? I'm guessing it would also apply to Westchester County?

All the best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:15, 28 May 2013 (UTC)Reply

It's an inevitable result of the requirement stated at Wikivoyage:Geographical hierarchy#Linking articles: "Every city or other destination article should be listed in at least one region article, as it should be possible to navigate through the hierarchy to each and every destination article on the site. Cities, Other divisions, and Other destinations should be mentioned under those section headings in at least the surrounding Region article. This should normally be the same article mentioned in the IsIn or IsPartOf template." Wikivoyage:Geographical hierarchy#Dividing geographical units is explicit about this: "This doesn't need to be applied stringently to the lowest level of the hierarchy; if a region has more than nine cities in it, and there's no helpful way to divide it into subregions then don't split it." LtPowers (talk) 15:22, 28 May 2013 (UTC)Reply
Oh, and Westchester County may be a good candidate to treat like Montgomery County (Maryland). But I'm not familiar with the place, so I can't say for sure. LtPowers (talk) 15:26, 28 May 2013 (UTC)Reply
I could definitely see "Northern Westchester" and "Southern Westchester" articles. More than that would be a bit complicated (and even that would require decisions about marginal towns), but there could be a further division of Long Island Sound towns, if need be.
Thanks for explaining the policy. Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:32, 28 May 2013 (UTC)Reply


Hi there!

I understand you're not the greatest fan of the current logo, so I wondered if you'd mind taking a look at this idea that I've been working on. I've also created a mock-up of our portal with the proposed logo, which you can see here. Would you let me know what you think and whether it's worth going any further with it?

Thanks! :) --Nick talk 20:31, 30 May 2013 (UTC)Reply

It's very good, and definitely worth developing further. Most of the other WMF content projects use blue logos, so it fits in well that way, though this is a bit brighter and sunnier than the others. It does look a bit like a logo I'd expect to see on a commercial airplane tailfin, but that might not be a bad thing. The font is a big improvement over Lenka, but it strikes me as a bit weak yet. Maybe tightening up the kerning would help; it doesn't appear to have been adjusted from whatever defaults the font has built-in. LtPowers (talk) 20:49, 30 May 2013 (UTC)Reply
Thanks very much! I'll have a play with the wordmark and see if I can tighten it up a bit and maybe tweak the logo itself a little more. I'll let you know what happens! Do you think now is a good time to do this? --Nick talk 20:58, 30 May 2013 (UTC)Reply
As good a time as any, I suppose. I'd been thinking about reopening discussion on Meta, now that we're settled in and there's no rush to get a logo in time for launch. LtPowers (talk) 21:21, 30 May 2013 (UTC)Reply
That icon does look nice! Whatever we do, let's not use a time limit this time around. --Peter Talk 21:25, 30 May 2013 (UTC)Reply
I would dearly love to have that luxury, but I've (literally in the last ten minutes) just been made aware of an issue that may impose a deadline regardless of what we'd like to do. I'm not sure how much I'm at liberty to say, but for now I strongly suggest Nick get to work refining his idea. ASAP. LtPowers (talk) 21:28, 30 May 2013 (UTC)Reply
(Edit conflict) Thanks very much Peter! I was just about to put a message on your page as well! Is it worth mentioning this in the pub? --Nick talk 21:34, 30 May 2013 (UTC)Reply
Right - I will do! Shall we introduce this to the Pub then? If we've not gone long we probably need to get the ball rolling; I'll keep refining it. --Nick talk 21:34, 30 May 2013 (UTC)Reply
This change will affect all language versions of Wikivoyage, so the discussion should be held on Meta. WMF is going to be starting that shortly, so no need to start a discussion yourself just yet. LtPowers (talk) 22:19, 30 May 2013 (UTC)Reply

I've tightened the kerning quite considerably now and changed it across all versions. I think it looks much better as a result. --Nick talk 21:57, 30 May 2013 (UTC)Reply

I think both the font and icon are looking pretty great, and a big improvement. I might suggest color in the text, but yes, let's take this to the pub. --Peter Talk 22:19, 30 May 2013 (UTC)Reply
Brilliant! I'll make a topic now. --Nick talk 22:25, 30 May 2013 (UTC)Reply

Hi! Do you think I should withdraw/call to a halt to the topics that were created yesterday? At present all they're doing is generating a list of people saying 'We've got a logo'. Do we have any idea of when the contest might be set up? --Nick talk 13:17, 31 May 2013 (UTC)Reply

I was told yesterday "within the next few days (possibly tomorrow)". LtPowers (talk) 13:22, 31 May 2013 (UTC)Reply
Thanks! I'll keep an eye out! --Nick talk 13:30, 31 May 2013 (UTC)Reply

Thank you, and... edit

First off, THANK YOU for adding the map to the Clarence article. Not only do I think this brings it a long way closer to true Star status, it's something that I'm sorry to say I've been putting off learning how to do with the Buffalo articles.

Secondly, I wanted to let you know that your work on Rochester inspired me to make the trip down the Thruway a few days back to try a garbage plate at Nick Tahou's. I've often used the Rochester article as a template for how I should treat various issues in my own work on Wikivoyage (which, of course, is not to say that I've always followed it religiously), and in so doing I've absorbed a lot of information through osmosis that's piqued my interest. I hope to give Rochester a proper thorough examination soon; even in my brief stop there I saw a handful of things that I'll want to come back to.

-- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 01:53, 8 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

Good to hear! The Clarence map was unusually difficult, due to the high concentration of icons along Main and Transit. I continue to think there's got to be a better way to organize Erie County that avoids putting these large tracts of farmland in the same article with dense suburban strips; at the very least, it would help ease mapmaking! =) LtPowers (talk) 02:10, 8 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

Statue of Liberty shadow banner.jpg in Commons edit

Hi, would it be possible to move this banner to Commons, so it can be used in the other languages? - Fabimaru (talk) 19:14, 16 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

It's in the public domain; you can do whatever the heck you want with it. LtPowers (talk) 01:37, 17 June 2013 (UTC)Reply
Great, thanks. But I guess it's more efficient to have only one copy… - Fabimaru (talk) 20:42, 24 June 2013 (UTC)Reply
Sure, so if you move it to Commons, have the local copy deleted. LtPowers (talk) 01:55, 25 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

Thanks! edit

  The Wikivoyage Barncompass
Thank you for all the time and effort that you put into this project and so many of its articles! Your work on Walt Disney World and its subsidiaries is always incredibly thorough (having been, I realise how a baffling a place it is!) and it's obvious that you really do care about this site. You also manage to put up with new bods like me, who come in with big ideas and small brains; your advice has been really valuable! :)

PS Sorry if my response to the matter on Peter's talk page seemed like first class toadying - I just wanted it to be clear that Tony's claims about both of you were spurious and infantile. --Nick talk 23:52, 22 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

You are far too modest. New blood such as yourself is both long overdue and ridiculously useful. I appreciate your defense. LtPowers (talk) 00:10, 23 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

Re: Question about your edit (Buffalo) edit

You are right on saying that the underscore removal do not affect anything. I just remove them when I see it because the "wiki-correct" way to link a page is without the underscore (blank space is the correct version). In it:voy I've added a rule to my bot that is applied when I have major changes to do on a certain page. Regarding the right article, I just haven't checked it in advance taking (erroneusly) for granted that the one in the page was the right one. --Andyrom75 (talk) 06:20, 23 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

Don't worry, I always respond to anyone :-) However I agree with you, I don't recall why I did just that changes... maybe after saving the Italian updated versione I've pressed save instead of exit... the important thing is that I haven't made any damage :-) --Andyrom75 (talk) 06:00, 24 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

Wikivoyage_talk:External_links edit

Hi Powers. I noticed you had quite a bit of input in that discussion in regard to changing our external link format. A few weeks have passed, and everyone who has commented there is in support. I just wanted to confirm you do not hold any more reservations and are happy to see the new format implemented. All the best, James Atalk 14:02, 25 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

Happy? No. I prefer the footnote-style links, as they work best in print. I haven't commented because I've recognized that consensus is against me. LtPowers (talk) 01:56, 26 June 2013 (UTC)Reply
Are you sure that they do? Torty made this helpful image showing the differences in how the formats look in print, and I think the frontlinked usage looks better in the pdf/books version (as it makes the footnote actually look like a footnote), and especially better in the printable web version, which is what we used in WTP. --Peter Talk 04:15, 26 June 2013 (UTC)Reply
I believe there has been a change in the software in how external links are shown when printed. Previously, I believe that they would work oddly when frontlinked, but with newer software, everything seems to work fine. James Atalk 13:55, 26 June 2013 (UTC)Reply
Fair enough, I hadn't realized that. But the formatting still rubs me the wrong way. I'm worried it's not obvious enough that it's a link, and the "becomes obvious it's a link only when hovered over" is usually considered bad web design. LtPowers (talk) 14:21, 26 June 2013 (UTC)Reply
That's a very legitimate concern. It's best if the default CSS sticks to the standard blue colour for a link - whether external or internal.
PS: Compliments on your mature understanding that consensus does not necessarily imply that person can veto change. -- 18:08, 26 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

Re: Niagara Falls (New York) edit

Oh, my goodness.

I'm in Pittsburgh visiting my girlfriend, and I only have access to Wikivoyage through my iPhone. I have Niagara Falls (New York) on my watchlist and saw that PerryPlanet (I think that's who it was?) had removed the disambiguator from the pagebanner and you had to restore it. The text on (the desktop version of) Wikivoyage shows up very small on my phone, which is old, slow and clunky to begin with. I must have undone your comment without realizing it. I've made mistakes like that before when editing WV on my phone, so I guess it was only a matter of time. I'll try to stick to using my laptop in future.

Sorry about that. :)

-- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 01:20, 10 July 2013 (UTC)Reply

No harm done; I was just surprised to see a revert without comment. LtPowers (talk) 01:34, 10 July 2013 (UTC)Reply

Copyright violation? edit

Hi LtPowers, as and admin, can you please check this? User:Asdefyn has been uploading lots of banners recently of a very varying quality. I got a little suspicious, and now I have found one of the pictures had a watermark, and looks he just google-finds the images and uses as own work. Danapit (talk) 15:34, 15 July 2013 (UTC)Reply

Our usual practice is to block them for a short period of time to get their attention. I have left one last message; we will see if the user responds. LtPowers (talk) 15:38, 15 July 2013 (UTC)Reply
Thank you. Danapit (talk) 15:40, 15 July 2013 (UTC)Reply

Space or no space? edit

More than 4 days ago I asked you: "Do you have a preference for spaced or unspaced?"

I know that you have a strong preference to prefix any currency code, and it would be really helpful if you could find the time to express your opinion about spacing on that page too, Sir.

I've also now had a chance to read both the English and French versions (each equally authoritative) of British Standard ISO 4217:2008 (as amended, and the current version at £196 a pop) and, as I previously suspected, it is completely and totally silent on the topics of either prefixing or suffixing or spacing. That means we're on our own with regard to our proposed house style. --W. Franke-mailtalk 22:19, 18 July 2013 (UTC)Reply

Honestly, I'm not sure if I prefer spaced or unspaced. LtPowers (talk) 01:16, 19 July 2013 (UTC)Reply
Would you be kind enough to write that at Wikivoyage_talk:Currency then so we can continue to make progress, please? --W. Franke-mailtalk 01:34, 19 July 2013 (UTC)Reply
I don't really see how that would contribute to progress in any realistic way. LtPowers (talk) 01:46, 19 July 2013 (UTC)Reply

Western New York edit

Hello, I see you have reverted my merge of Western New York into New York. I’ve properly nominated it for deletion now, could you give you opinion at Project:Votes for deletion#Western New York? Thanks! Fractal (talk) 09:12, 20 July 2013 (UTC)Reply

FWIW, I also don't think the content should be merged to New York. It's overkill/unnecessary to describe a region at length that we don't use in our regions division. --Peter Talk 17:47, 20 July 2013 (UTC)Reply

Banners edit

Hi Powers. What's the deal with these new banners? If I want to take an image and use it as a banner how do I go about it? I tried "{{pagebanner|Pyin U Lwin Myanmar.jpg}}" but that got messed up and was wondering if you know anything about how to go about making these work. --RegentsPark (talk) 01:32, 22 July 2013 (UTC)Reply

Template:Pagebanner and Wikivoyage:Banner expedition should have the information you need. The problem with your syntax is that the image you're trying to use is not banner-shaped. Page banner images have to have dimensions in the ratio 7:1, and be at least 1800 pixels wide, preferably 2100 or more. LtPowers (talk) 18:27, 22 July 2013 (UTC)Reply
Gotcha. Thanks! --RegentsPark (talk) 22:29, 23 July 2013 (UTC)Reply

Re: Manhattan edit

Taken care of. Thank you for pointing that out to me! PerryPlanet (talk) 18:11, 26 July 2013 (UTC)Reply

Logo edit

Hi! I just wanted to say thanks for all your support for my logo proposal - I really appreciated it! It's a shame that it didn't make it through, but hopefully we'll still get something that we can be proud of. --Nick talk 21:04, 11 August 2013 (UTC)Reply

Unfortunately, each of the remaining options has significant problems. LtPowers (talk) 21:06, 11 August 2013 (UTC)Reply
I know... my 'proud of' comment was more wishful thinking if I'm honest. I think unfortunately we may end up with 'the best of a bad job' on this occasion, though what that'll be I don't know. I certainly don't want to come across as 'sour grapes', but I am quite disappointed with the selection that has been chosen: excluding my own there were other, better examples that have been dropped. --Nick talk 21:15, 11 August 2013 (UTC)Reply
Yes. There still seems to have been a strong preference, particularly on the part of some of our non-English Wikivoyagers, for a red-green-blue logo with globe. I am puzzled by that as well as by the low support for yours. LtPowers (talk) 21:18, 11 August 2013 (UTC)Reply
You're right - the predilection for a globe in WMF colours baffles me somewhat. Personally, I think the WMF colours are quite unpleasant and a globe seems quite unimaginative, but unfortunately some people obviously like them. I'm just glad that the globe was knocked out at the legal stage, but it's worrying that it was only dropped at that point. --Nick talk 21:23, 11 August 2013 (UTC)Reply
The three we're left with are at least different, so that's good. As long as the legal issue with the tricorn logo can be worked out, its colors can be adjusted in the next round. LtPowers (talk) 21:24, 11 August 2013 (UTC)Reply
You're right - there's hope yet! We'll just have to make ourselves heard. --Nick talk 21:31, 11 August 2013 (UTC)Reply

Well said edit

I was glad to see that you weighed in in the pub and provided a voice of reason in the discussion over the new logo. Whilst I wouldn't have chosen the new one myself and I, like you, remain baffled by the apparent love for the WMF colours that seems to exist, we need to make sure that it doesn't distract us from the business of making a travel guide. If we end up choosing another in 6 months time, so be it, but we can't spend the intervening period going to war over it. I was going to post in the pub myself, but I'm sure I wouldn't have phrased my thoughts as eloquently as you did. Thanks for stopping a potentially internecine discussion! :) --Nick talk 18:05, 1 September 2013 (UTC)Reply

I hope you'll note that I have honoured your polite and sensible request to end the sad logo discussion in the Pub. However, many of us don't use "Meta-Wiki" much or at all. Please would you add, in the Pub (hopefully that will be the last word on the the subject), the relevant URL to this topic at "Meta-Wiki". (You just wrote in the Pub: "... brought the issue up on Meta-Wiki; let's keep the discussion all in one place. And that's not here.") --W. Franke-mailtalk 00:48, 2 September 2013 (UTC)Reply
Thank you, Sir! --W. Franke-mailtalk 01:00, 2 September 2013 (UTC)Reply

Quick question? edit

I wonder, what should be done with this edit? Looking forward to your reply! Emily951 (talk) 21:28, 19 August 2013 (UTC)Reply

Removing other editor's words on discussion pages edit

It has long been our policy that (except in the special cases of correcting minor formatting such as indentation, missing signatures, legal threats/jeopardy, extreme obscenity, "outing" personal details, etc) we don't "correct" or otherwise edit contributions other than our own on discussion pages, never mind remove them (except in the limited case of our own user talk page - where it's still frowned on by many).

What was the reason for reverting the annoying IP's edits here, please?

E-mail me if you need to in confidence. --W. Franke-mailtalk 03:30, 2 September 2013 (UTC)Reply

Wikivoyage:How to handle unwanted edits LtPowers (talk) 13:59, 2 September 2013 (UTC)Reply
Thanks for the prompt response, but I don't think that's apposite in the case of edits to the Pub (which is technically in WV namespace but in reality acts as a sort of glorified common user talk page).
The implication at Wikivoyage:How to handle unwanted edits is that it is referring to edits in article and template namespace rather than contributions in the Pub or on specific user talk pages. This is evidenced by some of the wording at the beginning: "... unwanted contributions clutter the guides, making it harder for travellers to find the information they're looking for. In addition, they make it harder for contributors to find where to share their knowledge, or may give them the wrong idea about our project and what kind of knowledge we want."
I don't usually invoke the slippery slope argument but, mindful of what happened at Wikitravel when the IBadmins got heavy handed and then everybody left, I'm not convinced that the (probably IB) IP was so disruptive his words needed to be censored. Has s/he been blocked? --W. Franke-mailtalk 15:46, 2 September 2013 (UTC)Reply
Blocked? No, you should know by now that soft security is our first course of action. We have no responsibility to allow others to troll us with vague accusations of impropriety; the best course of action is to simply remove and ignore, a task being made harder by your questioning of it. You will note, I hope, that the removal had precisely the intended effect. If you have further concerns about the way this was handled, please ask for a second opinion from another admin, though I would be wary of encouraging our interlocutor further. LtPowers (talk) 01:15, 3 September 2013 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for the reversion in Wikivoyage:Listings edit

I somehow misread the language in the article, probably because I must have been really tired. Thanks for cleaning up after me.

All the best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:50, 30 September 2013 (UTC)Reply

CBO award edit

LtPowers - Official Calm Blue Ocean award

after a tough week --Inas (talk) 06:07, 5 October 2013 (UTC)Reply

Rename edit

Hello there - since you are the first active bureaucrat I saw on Special:ListUsers, and also the fact that there is no centralised place to request a rename, could you merge my old account (User:Insulam Simia) with the new one to reflect me changing my name on en.wiki? Thanks. My name is not dave (talk) 17:17, 7 October 2013 (UTC)Reply

You should be all set now. LtPowers (talk) 19:22, 7 October 2013 (UTC)Reply

Telephone numbers edit

A question regarding [18] (+1-888-857-7223 vs. +1 888-85-SPACE): I'm proceeding using the same assumptions (SMS/800 numbers require all eleven digits 1+10D as they have no local area, we list telephones as all-numbers instead of as phonewords, the {{listing}} fields (phone, fax, tollfree) contain just one number each to permit conversion to tel: links, clickable on mobile devices) currently reflected at Wikivoyage:Phone numbers and Wikivoyage:Phone numbers#USA. If I'm wrong about +1-888-85-SPACE that poses the risk that a few edits I've made to Wikivoyage:Phone numbers (a policy page) are also wrong. Could you please check that I haven't placed wrong info into Wikivoyage:Phone numbers, either in the intro or the individual NANP (+1..., North America) members? K7L (talk) 16:32, 22 October 2013 (UTC)Reply

Er, sorry; I didn't notice the hyphen removal. I usually put a hyphen between the +1 and the 888 (or 800 or whatever) because I believe it is required. LtPowers (talk) 17:09, 22 October 2013 (UTC)Reply

The change I made to Syracuse (New York) edit

By way of explanation: I had thought that changing the pgname= parameter from "Syracuse" back to the default "Syracuse (New York)" might get Wikidata to recognize Syracuse, New York as not being synonymous with Syracuse, Italy. (I must confess only vague familiarity with how Wikidata works.) After I realized that didn't fix the problem, I brought the issue up on the pub, but I must have forgotten to revert my edit. Sorry about that. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 21:49, 30 October 2013 (UTC)Reply

Requested migration edit

Wikivoyage_talk:User_account_migration#Request_for_Rename_.22.28WT-en.29_Koavf.22_.3E_.22Koavf.22 I'm requesting on the talk page of User talk:wrh2 and User talk:LtPowers because you both seem pretty active on user page migrations. Thanks. —Justin (koavf)TCM 01:05, 18 November 2013 (UTC)Reply

Re-writing history edit

Hi, I noticed a comment you made on my changes in United Kingdom which stated "ignoring the religious division borders on re-writing history". I am happy with the subsequent rewrite by you and others, however suggesting another editor is 're-writing history' is a rather strong statement (which I disagree with), and also one that could easily offend. I would also contend that anyway the entire history of the Irish independence struggle cannot be adequately expressed in a paragraph. Andrewssi2 (talk) 01:22, 6 December 2013 (UTC)Reply

Of course not, but we can do better than simply ignoring the fact that much of the struggle has been centered around religious differences. I did say that it "borders on" re-writing history, not that it is re-writing history, and I stand by that statement; leaving out the Protestant-Catholic division goes well beyond the mere omission of a detail. I did not meant to imply an intentional deception on your part, though, so if that's what it sounded like, I apologize. LtPowers (talk) 02:31, 6 December 2013 (UTC)Reply
Many thanks for your response. Andrewssi2 (talk) 02:41, 6 December 2013 (UTC)Reply

Concern Back a Few Months Ago edit

Hello, Emily, and welcome to Wikivoyage. I looked at the edit you linked, and it looks all right to me. Do you have any specific concerns?

No, I do not have any specific concerns. I was just checking with you on whether the edit should be approved or not, and the editor already explained. Thank you, too, for the welcome. Emily951 (talk) 02:24, 8 December 2013 (UTC)Reply

WikiChronos edit

You have an invite to help get this started over on Wikiversity.

It's accepted that it's out of scope here. Sfan00 IMG (talk) 13:12, 9 December 2013 (UTC)Reply