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Jani pics uploaded by others edit

For form's sake, would you please affirm that these two photos are correctly attributed to you and display the correct license [1] [2]. --Peter Talk 06:37, 9 January 2013 (UTC)Reply

Done, thanks for the heads-up! Jpatokal (talk) 09:41, 9 January 2013 (UTC)Reply

Template:Web edit

I really wish you hadn't deleted Template:Web and all of its uses. Even if it had no current functionality, it was useful for defining text that shouldn't be printed. LtPowers (talk) 16:11, 16 January 2013 (UTC)Reply

Sorry, may have jumped the gun a bit there, but the PediaPress engine doesn't recognize that template so it wouldn't actually do anything with the new book creator. Jpatokal (talk) 00:11, 17 January 2013 (UTC)Reply
It would if we added the right category to the template. There's a category you can add to templates to make PediaPress not print them. LtPowers (talk) 15:43, 18 January 2013 (UTC)Reply
Most uses of the template should no longer be necessary, as PediaPress's engine can (AFAIK) automatically delink references outside a collection, which is the "right" thing to do in the first place. Jpatokal (talk) 05:25, 22 January 2013 (UTC)Reply
I'm not clear on what you mean by "references outside a collection". But your point is taken; perhaps there's not much outside of some templates that we should actually be hiding in print. LtPowers (talk) 19:54, 22 January 2013 (UTC)Reply
So if eg. the Singapore guide links to Malaysia, and the Malaysia page is not in the printed book collection, the old WTP engine would have linked to "p. ???". PediaPress simply removes the link. Jpatokal (talk) 01:35, 23 January 2013 (UTC)Reply
Okay... but I'm not aware of that actually being the case in Yucca. I had lots of links to other guides in the WDW articles that were just silently ignored by Yucca; I didn't have to add the Web template. LtPowers (talk) 15:47, 23 January 2013 (UTC)Reply

Offline reader Expedition edit

I beg to differ with your saying that Offline reader Expedition is obsolete.

Everybody has a smartphone, but hate roaming charges, so offline readers are more needed than ever.

EPUB and OxygenGuide do not solve everything. EPUB is too heavy to open on a phone, and OxygenGuide is not a human-friendly format (that's why I just created the Wikivoyage offline app for Android, iPhone/etc versions badly needed)

The expedition is just beginning :-)

Cheers! Nicolas1981 (talk) 05:56, 18 January 2013 (UTC)Reply

Long time no speak edit

Do you remember Canberra a few years back? http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Swastika I think it needs squelching it keeps coming back cheers sats (talk) 02:38, 24 January 2013 (UTC) Inevercry zapped it but i suspect it needs a watch sats (talk) 02:46, 24 January 2013 (UTC)Reply

Sure do, glad to see you here and that we have a "here" to be in! Looking forward to seeing what you can do to Indonesia, the archipelago's coverage needs some love. Jpatokal (talk) 03:14, 24 January 2013 (UTC)Reply
hmm I think Tasmania also needs the same... oh well if it takes me 2 years to actually catch up on the web - maybe itll be another 2 years to fix the issues in the tassie and indonesia areas sats (talk) 03:20, 24 January 2013 (UTC)Reply
sheesh - Tasmania has holes bigger than the dams!! sats (talk) 04:10, 24 January 2013 (UTC)Reply

Ugly time format edit

Nowhere does it say those ugly and very minority-usage caps, shouting at readers, have to be used. So you've degraded the Melbourne article. Congratulations.

And 6:00 am –10:30 pm is now 6–10PM ... are you sure you want to reduce the hour range? Tony (talk) 06:10, 24 January 2013 (UTC)Reply

Planet Wikimedia edit

Hi Jani. I know you have a blog [3] that occasionally makes posts about Wikivoyage and Wikimedia, so I thought it may be worth you taking a look at Planet Wikimedia (see meta:Planet Wikimedia). It seems to be a blog aggregator about various WM topics, and it'd be nice to have some Wikivoyage in there every now and again. You'd have to start tagging your posts with "wikimedia" though to separate it from the non-WMF stuff. Just something to think about :) JamesA >talk 12:13, 25 February 2013 (UTC)Reply

Districts for Helsinki edit

Hi there! We're discussing if and how Helsinki could be split into districts. Come and have your say! Ypsilon (talk) 13:59, 26 May 2013 (UTC)Reply

See, I'm here edit

Hi. See, I'm here. Just saying hello in response to your enquiry elsewhere. Nurg (talk) 10:57, 4 June 2013 (UTC)Reply

Travel photography edit

I've expanded that article quite a bit recently. In fact, I suspect I have overdone it & gotten too wordy and detailed in places. It needs other opinions & you were the first one I thought of since I know you do photography and have edited that article in the past. Please have a look. Pashley (talk) 23:10, 11 August 2013 (UTC)Reply

I am thinking that much of the detail might move to subpages, leaving a cleaner article up top, but haven't worked out details yet. Pashley (talk) 13:35, 15 August 2013 (UTC)Reply
I have done some of that, see Talk:Travel_photography#Current_state. I'd still like your comments. Pashley (talk) 22:35, 8 October 2013 (UTC)Reply
Bump. Pashley (talk) 12:18, 16 January 2014 (UTC)Reply
Sorry for not responding, but to be honest, that article is way more knowledgeable than I am already -- doubt there's anything I can add or fix! Jpatokal (talk) 03:49, 28 January 2014 (UTC)Reply

Category:Pages_with_broken_file_links edit

Hi Jani, i hope you are fine. I try to reduce the amount of files with broken links and two link to your user page. I don't want to change your archive or sandbox, so i just wanted to check if you need them or if you could alter them? Thanks, jan (talk) 13:06, 22 August 2013 (UTC)Reply

Ta, should be done now. Jpatokal (talk) 01:58, 23 August 2013 (UTC)Reply
Jani, i cleared that link as well https://en.wikivoyage.org/w/index.php?title=User_talk:Jpatokal/2009&action=history Hope that this is ok. Regards, jan (talk) 14:56, 20 September 2013 (UTC)Reply

Nice to see you around! edit

I somehow missed that you've been making the occasional contribution over the past month, but it's great to see you back. Hopefully the job at Google is going well and you'll have some time to re-join the circus here. -- Ryan • (talk) • 05:17, 5 November 2013 (UTC)Reply

Thanks! My capacity for random travel edits seems to have increased since leaving Lonely Planet ;) Jpatokal (talk) 05:27, 5 November 2013 (UTC)Reply
+ ϒpsilon (talk) 05:30, 5 November 2013 (UTC)Reply

Other-subject WP links edit

Hello, Happy New Year, and please have a look at Talk:Kimono buying guide.

All the best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:22, 31 December 2013 (UTC)Reply

An important message about renaming users edit

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Upload files, Upload Wizard? edit


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Dewa Sanzan edit

From your experience, after starting at Gassan in the morning and hiking to Yudonosan (as memorably chronicled in J2J), is it viable to include visits to Dainichibo and/or Churenji on the same day before returning to Tsuruoka? Gorilla Jones (talk) 15:51, 23 May 2015 (UTC)Reply

Hey! Good to hear from you. YMMV, but I was pretty shattered by the time I finished the hike (the downhill bits were pretty brutal) and certainly wasn't in any shape to explore more. But maybe you're in better shape than I was... Jpatokal (talk) 09:31, 24 May 2015 (UTC)Reply
Probably not! Thanks. I am morbidly curious to see if they're still serving the same breakfasts at Saikan... Gorilla Jones (talk) 05:10, 25 May 2015 (UTC)Reply

Denarau edit

I saw you had written some commentary on Denarau Island. Would you perhaps like to add something to the Understand of our article? –LPfi (talk) 17:45, 19 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

Thanks for the idea, done! Jpatokal (talk) 05:25, 23 January 2021 (UTC)Reply
Thank you! –LPfi (talk) 11:02, 23 January 2021 (UTC)Reply

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Thailand edit

Your recent changes to the "Get in" part of the Thailand article are more a "Get out" content than the opposite. FredTC (talk) 10:47, 22 June 2022 (UTC)Reply

You mean the train listings? The content is pretty much unchanged, I just reformatted it, but feel free to flip the order. Jpatokal (talk) 13:16, 22 June 2022 (UTC)Reply

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Prices in Bintan Resorts edit

I remember the last time I went to Bintan Resorts, all the prices were listed in Singapore dollars, and they would convert the prices into rupiah if you wanted to pay in rupiah. Admittedly, that was 15 years ago, so it could have changed now, but have you actually gone there more recently that I have? The dog2 (talk) 16:20, 26 August 2022 (UTC)Reply

I'm actually at Bintan Resorts right now, and all prices are in rupiah. I believe Indonesia imposed laws that require all local prices to be displayed in Rp some time ago. Jpatokal (talk) 00:52, 27 August 2022 (UTC)Reply

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Obscure currencies at Mustafa edit

I've never actually exchanged money at Mustafa, but will they exchange say, Kenyan shillings or Colombian pesos? I understand them exchanging Bangladeshi taka, Sri Lankan rupees or Burmese kyat given that there is a large number of people from those countries working in Singapore, but I can't imagine them trading African or Latin American currencies given the limited trade or people-to-people relations between Singapore and those countries. But you're right that some obscure currencies lie Vietnamese dong or Philippine pesos are quite easy to trade in Singapore (in the case of these two, you don't have to go to Mustafa. I've bought Vietnamese dong at Parkway Parade, where I usually do my currency exchange). The dog2 (talk) 15:31, 5 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

i haven't been to Mustafa Exchange post-COVID, but they used to accept eg an impressive range of Central Asian currencies and even obsolete pre-euro European currencies. Jpatokal (talk) 19:04, 5 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

Fine dining in Japan edit

Based on my experience from my last trip, most fine dining sushi, tempura and kaiseki restaurants will not accept reservations from the general public. I was only able to score a reservation at them because my parents have Japanese friends who know the chef personally. And and when I asked about getting a reservation at Tokyo's top-rated sushi restaurant, I was told that they only serve regular customers (i.e. people who dine there every month or so), and the only way I could get a spot would be for one of the regular customers to bring me as his guest. From what I've heard, this is the norm for the top-rated restaurants in Japan; regular diners will have a reservation every month or so, so there will be no space to serve new customers. So how were you able to reserve fine dining restaurants in Japan? The dog2 (talk) 19:15, 29 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

This might be true at the absolute top tier, as it is anywhere in the world: good luck scoring at table at French Laundry etc. But as a frequent visitor, I've never had any trouble booking restaurants even in the ¥20000+/head range, and there are plenty of concierge services etc that promise to get you in the top tier as well (for a fee, of course). Jpatokal (talk) 21:12, 29 January 2024 (UTC)Reply

Banners edit

Page banners must be in the dimension 7:1. Here is information about creating and changing banners: Wikivoyage:Banners. Ground Zero (talk) 13:11, 10 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

They should be, but Mediawiki scales them automatically if they're not. Jpatokal (talk) 20:46, 10 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
No, they must be.
Wikivoyage:Banners says "Banners must have a 7:1 width to height ratio."

Mediawiki does not scale them automatically. You can use Crop Tool to change the file. Ground Zero (talk) 21:40, 10 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

Uhh, does too? I'm not going to edit war you over this, but see Wikivoyage_talk:Banners#Requirement_to_use_7:1_images for samples of it rendering just fine. Jpatokal (talk) 00:09, 11 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
Doesn't work on desktop, though. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 08:31, 11 March 2024 (UTC)Reply
It doesn't work for me either. Ground Zero (talk) 11:23, 11 March 2024 (UTC)Reply

Please don't undo useful edits edit

I'm not sure what it is about an obscure, utterly irrelevant factoid that makes you want to insist on having it clutter the topic Tokara Islands, but I would ask you whether you really think this is something that would have any impact on a traveler today? If there's no event to participate nor anything to see, then why should it be in a travel guide? Such a thing might be okay in Wikipedia, but it's not got much utility for a traveler. Mrkstvns (talk) 15:11, 23 April 2024 (UTC)Reply

Because it's interesting that this incredibly obscure spot of the globe was for a brief second so swamped with tourists they had to impose caps! This kind of background info is what Understand sections and infoboxes are for. Jpatokal (talk) 22:53, 23 April 2024 (UTC)Reply