See also: User talk:LPfi/archive

WeirdnessEdit

I have no idea where that phrase came from. Thanks for removing it. Ground Zero (talk) 21:15, 9 January 2021 (UTC)[]

It was added by an IP. I reverted it two hours before your edit. –LPfi (talk) 21:20, 9 January 2021 (UTC)[]
got it. Thanks. Ground Zero (talk) 21:37, 9 January 2021 (UTC)[]

HSEdit

LPfi, I am listening to what you are saying about not engaging with him in order to avoid conflict, and I do. I let some things slide. For a while after you blocked him last June he seemed to have changed, but then in November he returned to using the rollback button as a weapon. I do believe that tolerating that behaviour will encourage him to continue it, so yes, I think it is important to stand up to him, rather than just backing away. Thank you for your intervention in this matter. Ground Zero (talk) 11:57, 18 January 2021 (UTC)[]

But I want to address your instruction on his talk page to both of us to stop edit-warring. I have tried to engage HS in discussion, but he refuses. I had made my argument for the change on the talk page, and waited 18 days for a response. Four minutes after I made the edit, he reverted it, with no discussion on the talk page. I appealed to him on his own talk page, and got no response. Unfortunately, reverting his edits is the only thing that gets his attention. Taking the high road and waiting for responses from him that never come just rewards him for ignoring Wikivoyage policies. Ground Zero (talk) 18:55, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[]
@Ground Zero: Thank you for these notes, and sorry about not responding earlier. I thought I had to sleep on it first.
It is a pity that nobody reacted to your article talk page message. Somebody should have made the changes instead of you, or said that the wording is OK and does not need a change. If we had done that, we had avoided the argument among you two. Edit warring is still not the way to act; if we don't take our responsibility, then please post a note on the pub or the rfc page, and try to comment as little as possible yourself. I hope that will be enough to make something happen. If the community does not back you up, then you cannot get it your way, it just boils down to fighting, and at that point you both are wrong.
As to HS not responding: it seems he feels cornered. If he responds on the matter, the discussion will deteriorate, if he doesn't, you won't leave him alone. I think he made his point quit clearly in the end. In his place I would have made a short comment right away, stating that I don't want to discuss with you, to avoid an argument, but feel I am right anyway. Pressing him will not make things better. He is a valuable contributor, and working together is much better than having the arguments.
So I feel it is the rest of the community that must handle this. I hope we are up to it, but I think that the less you engage in it, the better our chances to get things run smooth. I hope you can leave things alone when the issues are minor. I for one do not like if somebody "corrects" my style to something worse. I seldom have that issue here, as I appreciate your improving my contributions, but I do have it from time to time on sv-wp, when I feel somebody just dumbs down the text, removing any elegance and precision (fortunately, the occurences are rare).
LPfi (talk) 19:37, 19 January 2021 (UTC)[]
LPfi, thank you for your response. HS has used "other people" as a tactic several times. He has refused to respond to me, demanded that I get other people involved, and he remained silent. Usually, other people agree with my changes, and I implement them. I don't agree that refusing to participate in a discussion is an acceptable response, and that he should get his way because he doesn't want to discuss something. Further, it shouldn't be on me to try to get others to back me up, and other people shouldn't have to get involved every time he demands getting his way. As you know, if other people disagree with me, I work towards a compromise, or I accept the result and back down. But I always state my case in the talk page, and accept the result. If he won't participate in the discussion, there is no way of finding a compromise. HS does not accept the results of community decisions -- he just goes on doing his own thing. How much should we continue to coddle him and tolerate this behaviour?
In this case, I believed -- and Ikan Keken agreed -- that it was a matter of Wikivoyage style that was being violated. I don't think we should spend a lot of time arguing over issues that have already been decided. If someone wants to change the policy, they should start a discussion on the policy talk page, rather than kicking up a fuss when someone tries to apply the policy.
For the time-being, I will go back to raising any dispute in the pub. But I will also raise the question of whether it is a good use of the community's time. Thank you for your involvement in this matter. Regards, Ground Zero (talk) 20:23, 2 February 2021 (UTC)[]

BabbelEdit

Hi LPfi! Thank you so much for reinserting my Babel box with working syntax! I was struggling to do it myself! You've been very helpful. -La petite française

De rien, La petite française. I have had to look it up more than once myself, so I understand it is easy to not get it working. –LPfi (talk) 11:25, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[]

Scandinavian languagesEdit

In Norway, we refer to Danish, Swedish and Norwegian as Scandinavian languages but I guess linguistically the islands are also regarded as Scandinavian languages. --Erik den yngre (talk) 11:51, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[]

According to the Wikipedias, the groups are "fastlandsskandinaviska" och "ö‑skandinaviska" in Swedish, and Continental Scandinavian and Insular Scandinavian in English. This implies "Scandinavian" is ambiguous, as both groups seem to be some sort of Scandinavian (although Scandinavian alone does not seem to be used in the article; "Nordic languages" is noted as a synonym to the North Germanic languages). I think using "Scandinavian languages" should be avoided in the article. –LPfi (talk) 12:40, 8 February 2021 (UTC)[]
I removed, better avoid ambiguities. --Erik den yngre (talk) 12:34, 9 February 2021 (UTC)[]

An award for you!Edit

  The Aussie Barncompass
This Barncompass is to show appreciation for helping me maintain Tourist Drive 33. --TravelAroundOz (talk) 10:47, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[]

An award for you!Edit

  The Wikivoyage Barncompass
See the full message at User talk:LivelyRatification SHB2000 (talk) 12:04, 23 March 2021 (UTC)[]

Talk pagesEdit

I noticed you unarchived a section on my talk page. Please don't do this; it is already dormant and it is the user's (in this case, my) responsibility to archive. AnotherEditor144 (talk) 12:08, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[]

When I see somebody doing odd things like editing out listings from a joke article, I want to see previous discussions on the talk page. Does it seem that other editors trust this user and cooperates with them or are there a lot of complaints. Is this something that has been discussed earlier? Year-old discussions are of less interest, but those from less than a week ago should certainly be kept visible.
You said you archived those discussions. Where are your archives? I didn't find any subpages to your user page (such as User:AnotherEditor144/Archive_2020). Wading through history is not the thing one should have to do. This is especially inconvenient when more or less every thread has to be looked up individually.
Archiving is the user's responsibility. But it is not up to the user to decide when a thread can be deleted.
LPfi (talk) 17:46, 28 March 2021 (UTC)[]
My archives are at s:User:AnotherEditor144/Archives. When a thread can be deleted is also the user's responsibility, since it is going to be archived anyway.
"Wading through history is not the thing one should have to do." This is true of almost any other archive. AnotherEditor144 (talk) 15:47, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[]

Please clarifyEdit

Hi LPfi, as I was just following examples of what I considered as good practice, that I had seen elsewhere in Wikivoyage, could you just clarify what you meant in this edit summary, where you say "this is Get in, and people will understand the ferries go back also - raise the issue at the pub if you think we should change our praxis". Specifically what you meant by "Get in" and "at the pub". Also is the "praxis" you refer to documented somewhere, to give me a chance to familiarise myself with any other of this type of quirk, so I don't waste any more time like this? Thanks. DeFacto (talk) 09:20, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[]

We have a standard section Get in, where the subsection you edited is (By train). The section is about "how to get to the destination" (see Wikivoyage:Article skeleton templates/Sections#Get in). How to get in the other direction is not explicitly covered, although of course, if a train does not go the other way that should probably be mentioned and where services are sparse I sometimes include a note on getting back.
The point is that there is no need to say "between" instead of "from", and when the latter wording is less convoluted it should be used unless there are specific reasons not to. The previous version and yours:
to London from Amsterdam, Brussels and Paris
and
between London and Amsterdam, Brussels and Paris
The "between" wording introduces a second "and", making sentence parsing a little more difficult. I, for one, would use a few tenths of a second more reading it – for no good reason.
If you look at well developed articles, e.g. those that recently have been featured (see Previous Destinations of the month), you will see they mostly use the "from" wording.
I hope you could start adding content instead of trying to change details in how we describe things. When you are more accustomed to the ways over here you can return to naming and wording details – at least you'll know what is random thoughtlessness, mistakes or sloppiness, and what in fact is established practice.
The pub is Wikivoyage:Travellers' pub, which is the main place to discuss among the community, similar to the village pump on Commons and most wikipedias.
LPfi (talk) 12:50, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[]
Wow, thanks for all that LPfi! That's enlightened me no end. I will now, hopefully, be far less annoying to other editors here. I've never heard of "Get in" as a standalone phrase before, and it always annoys me when I see a road or railway described as running from A to B, rather than between A and B. I suppose there's an introduction somewhere that I missed, that would have told me about these conventions. I'm not sure I'm brave enough to challenge established norms in the "pub", there seems to be a very cold welcome given to newcomers to WT, if my recent experiences are anything to go by. DeFacto (talk) 17:04, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[]
Thank you. I think there is no introduction anywhere except the ones linked from the welcome message you got; people are supposed to learn from what they see other people doing, especially from tweaks or reverts of their contributions, and the edit summaries or talk page messages in connection with them. You are welcome to challenge established norms in the "pub" – when you have got a feeling for how people think about different issues. I think the receipt for getting a cold welcome is starting with challenging norms and engaging in policy discussions before having contributed real content. There is a reason why things are like they are – sometimes just because nobody got the idea or did the work, but more often because any alternatives have their problems. Either way, strangers popping up telling people how they should do this or that is seldom appreciated. Once you have done the legwork things are different. –LPfi (talk) 18:02, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[]
Agree with the above 100% (was going to say 1000%, but that's just silly). I for one am very happy to gain an editor who knows about Ireland, something we've been seriously lacking until recently despite failed attempts to attract Irish Wikipedians, and sincerely hope you want to contribute content for articles related to that country. And even if your main interests lie elsewhere, an extra pair of hands to do the legwork (aha!) is always welcome.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 18:13, 15 April 2021 (UTC)[]

May I recommend a reader to go 20km/h below the speed limit or am I not allowedEdit

Good Morning LPfi,

Just wanted to ask if I can tell the reader to go 80km/h in a 100km/h in Tourist Drive 33? The limit here is 100, but the last 4 times I went there, people were only doing 80, and not 100 simply due to safety. So, may I write about it or would it be considered as an opinion? Even, the advisory limit is 75 km/h and bends are frequent. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 12:16, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[]

@SHB2000: There is no prohibition on opinions at Wikivoyage. I'd also add some explanation, similar to what you are telling above, perhaps "Although the nominal speed limit is 100 km/h, driving at that speed is dangerous given the road conditions, and most people keep to 80 km/h, less in the bends" or "... 100 km/h, the officially recommended speed is 75 km/h, which is considerably safer". I added a similar remark to Driving in Finland: "Where minor roads default to 80 km/h, use your judgement. Often you need to be a rally driver to keep that speed, while you never know what is behind the next turn". My impression about advisory limits over here is that you'd be off the road unless you respect them (while speeding otherwise is normal practice). I don't know whether that is true for Australia. –LPfi (talk) 13:01, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[]
Often, our speed limits are too low (especially in Western NSW - minimum 130 or 140, but I've seen people go 150) but this one is too high. Rather unusual to see 100 on this road. Most roads are 110 or 100 in NSW but this is not suitable for 100 at all. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 13:05, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[]
I suppose that is like our 80, the default where nothing else has been decided, which means it applies on most minor roads in the countryside, even those where it is hard to drive 30. 130+ feels very much, but I suppose the distances play a role. Up in Finnish Lapland 100 km/h is typical (despite the roads being undivided two-lane), while that's the typical limit on motorways in the southern (more densely populated) part of the country. Only a few motorways have 120 km/h, and only in summer. –LPfi (talk) 13:14, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[]
I was a huge fan of the NT open speed limits. I sadly never been on it but I've had family who've gone 180 or even 190. But still, there were no fatalities on that road and no speed related accidents. And the reason it was removed: change of party in the next election. And after that there were plenty of fatigue related fatalities. And 130 isn't uncommon here, considering that many places can be around 400-500km away from the next fuel stop or even town. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 13:20, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[]
Also don't know what's the future speed limit on the future and new E39 motorway expressway on the west coast of Norway. Curious to see how the floating tunnel idea'll work on the fjords. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 13:34, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[]
[edit conflict] Yes, I understand. Even if the Nordic countries are sparsely inhabited by European standards, and Finland the most sparsely populated in the EU, we don't have that kind of distances. 500 km is halfway up through the country, and you can take your car on the sleeper train when going to Oulu or Rovaniemi, which otherwise would be the typical 500–1000 km drive (Nokia people would often take the train or fly Espoo–Oulu, as those had the two main Nokia facilities besides Salo, Rovaniemi is a hub for domestic winter vacations). –LPfi (talk) 13:48, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[]


I have not been following that project. According to Driving in Norway, the highest speed limit in the country is 110 km/h. I'd say crazy Norwegians, with the oil money to back up such ideas. –LPfi (talk) 13:56, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[]
Norway has some of the longest road tunnels in the world. Oil money helps, but so does geology (Norway is largely relatively stable rocks which are easier to tunnel through than sand or geologically "busy" areas). Still, at a certain length you run into ventilation issues and I'll be curious how they'll solve them for their longest tunnels... Hobbitschuster (talk) 20:19, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[]
I'm pretty sure the only 110 is the motorway connecting to Gardnermoen airport. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 21:10, 19 April 2021 (UTC)[]

Emergency numbersEdit

Swept in from the pub

I noticed our country article template says:

If there are local or national safety contacts (or even standards such as "911" in the USA), note them.

I'd prefer there to be a note anyway. That way reading the country guide is enough for knowing at what level you should search for the numbers, and whether you have to update for every new city (or neighbourhood?). For editors it is good to know, as those numbers would be essential lower down in the hierarchy if there is no country-wide standard – and you'd know to note if they are missing at the relevant level. –LPfi (talk) 17:16, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[]

I don't fully understand what change you want to make. WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:36, 12 February 2021 (UTC)[]
I'd like any country page to have a mention about whether there are standard emergency numbers in the country, and if not, point to the Stay safe sections at whatever level they should be mentioned at. And any article at that level should either have the numbers or some kind of pointer. –LPfi (talk) 12:43, 15 February 2021 (UTC)[]

abusehelperEdit

Would you like for me to run the nom process at m:SRGP. Happy to do so. Billinghurst (talk) 08:38, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[]

@Billinghurst: I suppose it would be sensible for me to apply, and your doing it for me would be nice. I just haven't got around doing it, thinking I should read up on matters first, which probably isn't that important. –LPfi (talk) 09:56, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[]
Trust and need are the important things here. There is nothing to read. Billinghurst (talk) 10:54, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[]
:-)
I think my being admin on three projects, including on sv-wp since 2010, should talk some for the first. –LPfi (talk) 11:04, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[]
I would think so, and they were mentioned. You should have got a ping for the nom => m:SRGP#abusefilter-helper for LPfi. Probably worth a moment to accept or decline the nom, or comment otherwise. It is a while since I have done a nom, such a quaint thing of wikitime past. :-) Billinghurst (talk) 11:08, 18 May 2021 (UTC)[]
And thank you again. I was approved (I supposed the one closing the request would ping me, so forgot to check on it). –LPfi (talk) 12:59, 2 June 2021 (UTC)[]

PatrollerEdit

Hi, could I have patroller here? The only reason is to gain access to the rollback tool, since TwinkleGlobal is not as good as the native rollback tool. Leaderboard (talk) 08:26, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[]

@Leaderboard: I am not doing much patrolling, so I haven't been following your edits. I believe you are doing a good job, but I don't want to base my judgement on a feeling, and I don't want to make a study. You'd better ask some of those who have been reverting/blocking along with you, and thus should have a good picture of your work. –LPfi (talk) 09:09, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[]
Hi OK. I don't do any patrolling (only reverting LTA edits here), so it's not a big thing. Thanks in advance. Leaderboard (talk) 09:13, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[]
I've actually wanted to put a message on the pub to give you autopatrolled status. Sadly didn't have the guts to. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 09:24, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[]
I checked the histories of a few articles where you had been reverting, and it seemed there nearly always had been some admins also reverting alongside you, often also protecting the page (didn't check the timespan, but no useful edits in between). –LPfi (talk) 10:32, 19 May 2021 (UTC)[]

A European Barncompass for you!Edit

  The European Barncompass
This Barncompass is to show appreciation for your great work on Swedish and Finnish articles on Wikivoyage. Hälsningar, --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 13:15, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[]
:-) –LPfi (talk) 13:39, 24 May 2021 (UTC)[]
Just had a look at your babel language scale, and I have to say, you certainly know a lot of languages. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 02:54, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[]
Not extraordinary over here. Most of my classmates that continued to university studied four languages in addition to our mother tongue, like me, in school or at the university. Most people not aiming for a vocational career choose to study three in school (Finnish and English are mostly compulsory). The German is extra: I stayed some time in a family where I had to speak the language, sort of, mostly gestures; we had no common language. I had caught some of the language from films etc. (we use subtitles, not dubbing – and Low German has influenced Swedish quite a bit). There are public sector sponsored courses available for anybody for an assortment of languages, if you are so inclined, and knowing e.g. Estonian or Russian would certainly be useful. –LPfi (talk) 06:29, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[]
Interesting! I do know a little bit of some indigenous Australian languages, but I've always wondered how many people in Europe can speak multiple languages. I guess this explains everything. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 06:32, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[]
My choir leader said languages are easy after the sixth :-)
We are much more exposed to foreign languages over here than what you are. In my generation everyone went on Interrail as teenagers, so you really got to use any language you dared speak. It is also quite common to go as au pair or exchange student abroad, and there are quite a few foreign students in Turku that you can mingle with if you want. Also professionally languages are useful, as much export is to Germany and Russia, in addition to Nordic or English-speaking countries, and French and German are important in the European Union. In the choir the repertoire included pieces in seventeen European languages (off the top of my head).
In the Nordic countries we don't dub films and television programmes, and people who want to see non-mainstream films usually go to see Spanish and French ones. In television English dominates (beside the domestic and Nordic supply), but there are regularly German crime films and the odd film in other languages (a series on Spain during Franco has been going on for years, and there was an Italian one not long ago).
And in Finland we have Finnish as bonus. I grew up in a bilingual family, so never had to struggle with the "other domestic" as it is called.
But I think it is nice that you have learnt indigenous languages. Is that common among non-indigenous Australians? I try to listen to Ođđasat in Sámi when I happen to be by the radio at the right time, but I only know a few words. It is not too close to Finnish, but there are some common words and loan words that one can recognise. I hope I'll get a better grasp by time.
LPfi (talk) 07:12, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[]

User:Anuj timetravelEdit

The user does not appear to be editing in good faith, as his CentralAuth indicates spamming on Wikipedia. You may wish to block him temporarily. Edit: it is hard to say whether his Wikipedia edits are deliberate spamming, but you may want to keep a watch on him. Leaderboard (talk) 12:34, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[]

@Leaderboard: Thanks. Yes. I got that vibe here, but as long as he does not edit at more than that one place, and is discussing, I think we should give him some leeway. Let's see how it develops. –LPfi (talk) 12:39, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[]
I feel like it was him who created the harassment account against both of us. But only GRP thinks I'm an Antandrus sock. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 12:54, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[]
Could this user have also been paid editing. I noticed the discussion at w:User_talk:Bonadea#dnata. Might also explain their continued edit-warring. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 13:03, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[]
And this edit looks like vandalism at best to me. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 13:05, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[]
We welcome paid editors, sa long as they play by our rules, and the linked edit was probably a try at defending his position. People not too used to Mediawiki do odd edits. –LPfi (talk) 13:22, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[]

PP my talk page for another monthEdit

Hi there, I just wanted to ask you if I could have my talk page protected for another month. GRP's not aware of my IP talk page, and the day the protection expired, it got vandalised. Even if, the situation could be resolved if 82 creates an account, but I'll leave it like that for now. Thanks, SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 09:29, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[]

I was too late, it seems, I just extended the protection seeing your edit comment. –LPfi (talk) 09:33, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[]
Thanks! SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 09:36, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[]

20000th editEdit

Hi there, congratulations your 20000th edit on the 19th of June (Sunday) on the article Karasjok. You've done a lot of great work on this site, and also, do you contribute to the Svenscka Wikivoyage? The message is a little late, but I only realised today. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 11:48, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[]

Thank you. I haven't looked at the statistics. I have done very little at sv-wp. Last I looked there seemed to be too little of a community for me to see it worthwhile, especially as I think the templates/the layout should be changed, i.e. much should be reworked later. I would like the pages on Finland to be good there (big possible "market"), and perhaps I will put an effort in it at some point – but that should be an effort big enough to bring Finland to usable. –LPfi (talk) 12:12, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[]
No worries. I should say that while I'm more than happy to be a sysop on certain projects, sv.wv seems more in between. I don't mind being a sysop on the two tiny terrible Nauruan wikis since I'm running it alone (or at least, that's what it feels like) but when it has a bit more people, I'm not too big of a fan, but if it had a lot more people (like en.voy), it seems to me a more worthwhile and once too big like en.wp, I'm not willing to do much there. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 12:17, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[]

An award for you!Edit

  The Ashmore and Cartier Islands Barncompass
For spending the whole arvo yesterday making Ashmore and Cartier Islands which initially sounded like a joke article, to more a proper, serious article that actually summarises all the information needed. Well deserved. Something that was needed for months, but you finally did the job :) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 11:29, 23 June 2021 (UTC)[]


:-) –LPfi (talk) 12:40, 23 June 2021 (UTC)[]
(: SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 12:55, 23 June 2021 (UTC)[]

Finnish taxisEdit

From Joensuu, I quote:

Do taxis really run on fixed routes? Or is it a translation issue with the website that Vkem straight off copied off. Here's the original text:

Demand responsive taxes operate in Kiihtelysvaara, Tuupovaara, Eno and Uimaharju. Taxes run on fixed routes according to schedule, but will deviate from its route slightly if needed. Call the taxi at least one day before by calling the driver directly, indicate your destination and agree the schedule with the driver. You can pay your journey only in cash.

I've tried to copyedit it, but I want to know how the demand responsive taxis work in Finland. Do they run on fixed routes? Taxis are meant to be flexible, after all they're one's cabbie driver that will take them wherever one requests and within a reasonable distance. Why do taxis have schedules? I thought taxi drivers just go when a customer asks them. The description differs a lot from what I know as a taxi.

If you could clarify what that means, that would be awesome.

(p.s. if you haven't noticed already on User talk:Ikan Kekek#Vkem, would you think taking the autopatroller flag off him be a good idea?)

Thanks! --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:04, 6 July 2021 (UTC)[]

@SHB2000: The quote is from the By bus section, isn't it? I don't know the terminology in English and systems vary from municipality to municipality, but I suppose the system is like the "call taxis" or "line taxis" in Pargas, the taxiline buses in Ingå, the flexible bus lines in Naantali and the airport shuttles for some ski resorts.
They are called taxis in the Joensuu article (and elsewhere) because the transport is arranged by taxi entrepreneurs in cooperation with the municipality, using their ordinary vehicles. Many taxi companies, especially in the countryside, have transport of school children and disabled people as a central part of their business, some also have a charter business, so they have minivans and minibuses in their fleet, suitable for this use when a normal car would be insufficient.
The original text you quoted makes full sense for me. Does it for you after reading my explanation? I suppose we might want to add a section on these kinds of systems to Finland#By bus, as it seems some context is needed for people to trust they understand what they read. You might also want to read what I wrote about them in Bus travel: "Where there is a need for public transport, but no economically viable market, ..."
LPfi (talk) 10:35, 6 July 2021 (UTC)[]
Thanks for the response. Now it makes sense to me. It also makes sense why it's in the By bus section. :) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:37, 6 July 2021 (UTC)[]

How concise do we want our text?Edit

Swept in from the pub

I'd like a discussion on how much we should write in understand, in this case in Talk, where Roovinn has been cutting down extensively. The last example is Finland, where the section on the Swedish speaking population was cut down to

Swedish is the mother tongue of 5.6 % of Finns. [--- section on Finnish ---] Swedish speakers can be found in areas close to the Swedish border, Närpes, Korsnäs, Larsmo, Vaasa, Porvoo and the Åland Islands.

There are no Swedish speaking Finns for two hundred (?) kilometres from the Swedish border that I know, and the mentioned localities cover perhaps 1/4 of the Swedish-speaking population. I'd request some more carefulness, but that's not what to discuss here.

Points removed include:

  • [Swedish is] closely related to Norwegian and Danish
  • The Swedish speakers are concentrated along most of the coast, with smaller communities in some cities elsewhere.

and

  • In Åland and the Swedish parts of Ostrobothina, people typically speak little or no Finnish. In traditionally Swedish-majority towns like Vaasa (Vasa) and Porvoo (Borgå) nearly half the population is Swedish-speaking and service in Swedish is expected by many Swedish-speaking locals. In cities like Helsinki and Turku, on the other hand, there is a lively Swedish cultural scene and most people know enough Swedish to deal with simple conversations you engage in as a tourist and often at least somewhat beyond, but living would be quite tough without knowledge of Finnish.

was condensed into "In cities like Helsinki and Turku, most people know enough of Swedish to deal with simple conservations."

Don't we want the removed information? Was this excessively wordy?

Swedish is of course a minority language, so a traveller could get along just speaking English and ignoring the language relations – in fact, many Swedes do just that. On the other hand, Swedish is one of the two "national languages" and understanding the subtleties around this subject could help avoid being an elephant in the porcelain shop.

LPfi (talk) 06:45, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[]

And then there is the issue about style and including context. For Rovaniemi:
Because of its central location and status as a provincial capital, Rovaniemi has become a center of education in Finnish Lapland. [...], as many as one out of five people are university level students.
The city also offers plenty of educational opportunities, and has the feel of a university town. [...] have about 10,000 students in total.
Also here details were removed, such as
Being not to big a town (the radius is about a kilometre), the best way to get around [is by foot]
Being not too big of a town, the best way to get around [is by foot]
LPfi (talk) 07:02, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[]
In my opinion, I don't think cutting down extensively is a good idea. This just leads to confusion, and sometimes, detail is needed. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 07:24, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[]
It's great to be pithy when no essential or really useful information is removed. However, we should remove useful information with great caution. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:58, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[]
On the 3 points that were removed, the first one is probably the least useful (Swedish is related to Norwegian and Danish) and may have a reasonable case to be removed. The other two points however would be relevant for the traveller (where Swedish is predominant as opposed to Finnish). If you're planning a trip to Finland and it includes a few days in Åland, it's important to know that brushing up on your Finnish won't be of much help there. Gizza (roam) 09:57, 23 May 2021 (UTC)[]

sv.wvEdit

This isn't something about Wikivoyage, but I might just let you know about this since you're quite active on numerous Swedish WMF projects, being an admin on two. But sv.wikiversity is closing, and I thought you may want to also propose whether it should stay or be closed. Here's the link: m:Proposals for closing projects/Closure of Swedish Wikiversity. Cheers, SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 02:28, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[]

Thanks. I have not participated in wikiversities, but I put the page on my watchlist. Vätte seems to suggest there will be activity on the project. –LPfi (talk) 11:37, 19 July 2021 (UTC)[]

LogEdit

Without revealing too much info to the public, the spam blacklist log is different to the abuse log. You can see the spamming here. Cheers, --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:46, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[]

@SHB2000: Thank you. I see four attempts to add the URL to one article, but I cannot see the attempted edit itself. But the old URL is alive, so I suppose you are right. –LPfi (talk) 13:37, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[]
I don't think you can even see the attempted edit. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 21:49, 22 July 2021 (UTC)[]
I suppose so. Which means one should not try to infer too much from it. But the existence of the old site, with a different name for the owner, is enough that the "new domain" isn't very convincing. I don't know that the block is necessary, though. –LPfi (talk) 07:46, 23 July 2021 (UTC)[]
I blocked them as block evasion since Ikan Kekek blocked them for a month last week. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:52, 23 July 2021 (UTC)[]
I think such users cannot be assumed to know our procedures, and we should understand their frustration. Now that they are discussing, we should allow them to. The domains are definitely related, not a random other business trying to get rid of a competitor. –LPfi (talk) 10:57, 23 July 2021 (UTC)[]
OK, but what I still don't get is if the user claims their business domain has changed, why are they putting the old one? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:17, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[]
I don't know that they have been adding the old domain. I suppose they have been changing the old one to the new one, and that is what got them blocked and the new domain blacklisted. Now, I interpret the situation such that the business has been split. We don't know which domain belongs to the "true" successor, and it is even possible that we should list both – or neither. It is difficult to judge from across the globe with no neutral part to consult. –LPfi (talk) 06:25, 24 July 2021 (UTC)[]

Taxi stations in FinlandEdit

Just to confirm, do taxi stations in Finland have a phone number to it. I noticed this edit. A taxi station in Australia is similar to a street bus stop, except it has no timetable, and hailing a taxi often takes about an hour. But do taxi stations in Finland have phone numbers, and are they in a building, or are they just similar to the US or Australia? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:09, 10 August 2021 (UTC)[]

@SHB2000: There are taxi ranks (colloquially: "taxi poles"), which are like what you describe: a sign in the street and a queue of taxis (some of the queues mostly empty), and at air ports, ferry arrival etc. also a queue of customers. These are not called taxi stations.
Then we have taxi stations. These have the sign, but also rest facilities for taxi drivers. Before mobile phones this was often where you called to have a taxi. Either any driver who happened to be there would answer, or there might be a separate person answering calls and calling taxis by radio. In cities the calls were handled by more sophisticated call centres.
The answering of calls is now mostly handled by country-wide call centres, but some taxi stations remain, and some have kept a landline phone, like, it seems, the linked Kankaanpää. Probably calls will be answered by any driver who happens to be there.
LPfi (talk) 05:24, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[]
I see. Makes sense. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:13, 11 August 2021 (UTC)[]

Moving articles back to Redirect NameEdit

A user recently moved Gujo and Omihachiman to Gujō and Ōmihachiman respectively, but by our naming conventions (Tokyo, not Tōkyō) and using the most common names, they should be moved back. I left a comment on the person's user page, but then I remembered I can't move it back without removing attribution. Can you do this?

For some more proof of common usage being without the accents: Gujo travel sites: [1], [2], [3] Gujo Tourism Association: [4] Gujo City's website: [5]

Omihachiman in travel sites: [6], [7], [8], [9] Omihachiman Official Tourist Site: [10] Omihachiman City website: [11]

Even in a basic Google search, none of the results aside from Wikipedia use the accents, so I think they are well-established as having English names. Since you are admin, I believe you have the capabilities of reverting or moving them back without losing the edit history. (If I am mistaken and I actually can do this without admin, let me know. I don't want to bother admin if it's not necessary). Thank you. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 07:13, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[]

  Reverted I believe it doesn't need an admin, as I've done this before I became an admin. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:18, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[]
SHB2000 Thank you! ChubbyWimbus (talk) 07:29, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[]
[edit conflict] @ChubbyWimbus: A page can be moved back after a move without admin privileges. The redirect created by the original move will be deleted, but as it was automatically created and the move itself remains in the history, there is no attribution or history problem in this case. An admin is needed only in more complicated cases, or if you don't want a redirect left behind at the temporary name. Now SHB2000 suppressed the redirect as admin, but a redirect with the markings is no problem (we have one from Tōkyō), and if somebody thinks it is, it can be deleted afterwards. –LPfi (talk) 07:32, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[]
I didn't even leave a redirect though. Those two search terms are very unlikely. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:41, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[]
@SHB2000: No, you didn't, and for that privileges were needed. I am not going to create the redirects, but you might want to consider that even if the two are unlikely as typed in search terms, they are much less unlikely as pasted in search terms. –LPfi (talk) 07:47, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[]
But who will paste it? For the most part, the accent has been omitted in tourist guides, and so it's unlikely. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:50, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[]
@SHB2000: For the most part, which isn't enough. The person reading a web page where they are used and pastes the name from there will search by the accented name. It doesn't need to be a tourist guide. For the redirect not to be useful, there should be no such web pages at all. I don't remember our policy on this and don't want to make this any larger issue, but I very much think that such redirects do no harm and might be useful. –LPfi (talk) 08:19, 12 August 2021 (UTC)[]

Islands of TuvaluEdit

If you're not aware, more than any Polynesian country, Tuvalu is probably the most scattered with islands all over the place. It's got multiple population centres, but most notably the island of Funafuti has more people than the others, and hence why their only airport is here. In saying that Funafuti only also gets about 2 flights a week, prior to the pandemic, only coming from Fiji, which is also quite isolated.

I watched a documentary on this some time ago and getting to these smaller islands is basically not possible unless you go through a local who has a fishing boat. And moreover, there's only about 6 months where you can do that before half of Tuvalu goes underwater. Because of all these factors, I restored it, because it in its own right needs a whole subsection. It just was that no one brought it up until LTA did.

--SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:24, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[]

@SHB2000: I don't know Vaitupu, but "maintaining its Western-style traditional way of life" did not convince me as description. Usually traditional lifestyle is seen as different from the Western lifestyle, and "Western" refers to the modern Western lifestyle, which is not traditional even in the West. Also, I don't understand the wording about going there "There is no harbour on Vaitupu, but also has a wharf as direct possible access for small boats from inter-ships". The sentence would at least need copy editing, which perhaps could make it comprehensible. As I neither understand nor trust what is said, I cannot support the listing. If somebody knows the facts about the island and can describe them comprehensibly, then it's another thing. –LPfi (talk) 10:40, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[]
Basically live life in a western way and still do what you traditionally did. It's very popular in Oceania, especially with Aboriginals in Australia, or Kanaks in New Caledonia, but really, there's a lot more I could list. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:50, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[]
Then I'd say something like "They live a Western lifestyle mixed with local traditions". Then I don't understand the "no harbour but a wharf" thing. OK, partly that might be because "wharf" is word I need to look up. "Inter-ships" is also an unknown term for me, perhaps something that should be explained in Tuvalu#Get around (or Oceania#Get around?). If there is regular ship traffic and those let you to the shore by small boats, then I don't get what is near-impossible about it. You need a flight matching the ship departure, and a transfer to that flight, but that does not sound near impossible to me. –LPfi (talk) 12:15, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[]
But there's no regular ship departure. It is just by chance if a local agrees to take you. It's 122km by boat, and it's highly unlikely a local would do that, especially on a small fishing boat on the rough Pacific Ocean. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:22, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[]
OK, so what are those inter-ships? And isn't this true of most islands in the Pacific? How many do we want to mention individually? –LPfi (talk) 12:27, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[]
Small fishing boats. Something like this. This is true, but only to Tuvalu, the Cook Islands and Kiribati. But none are so far away from each other like Tuvalu. (for that matter, Tuvalu has a bigger EEZ than some countries in Europe and Africa.) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:42, 17 August 2021 (UTC)[]

NokiaEdit

This edit right there. Do you think that is Vkem but logged out? Edit looks like a typical edit of his. But the main question is that in Finland, is it important to mention which country brands are from? (Just want to know since do certain countries like Germany get a better reputation than other country brands?) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:05, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[]

I mentioned the countries in Turku and he (I suppose it's him) has copied my wording from there. (I am not too happy he does that, as duplication means more maintenance work, and he doesn't attribute the original.)
In practice, the country of origin probably makes no difference (except for privacy, where EU and USA are different). However, many travellers do like to favour local businesses, and it is a "nice to know" trivia.
LPfi (talk) 08:16, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[]
We do have something similar where often German, Swedish, Finnish, Japanese or American brands are often more reputable, and brands from elsewhere are not so reputable (including the UK at times) but considering how the Australian manufacturing industry is non existent, it's no surprise why often we don't have local brands. Oh and to Vkem, is it just me, or do you also find it hard to believe that they were a former sysop on the Finnish Wikipedia. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:29, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[]
He got elected in 2003, after a discussion on the email list of the project. There were no earlier posts on his talk page. I wasn't involved at those times, especially not regarding administration of fi-wp, so have no idea about what the practices looked like. Seems he worked hard on creating articles – and I suppose that was what had to be done at the time. –LPfi (talk) 09:26, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[]
Yeah, in the early days of Wikipedia adminship was treated rather like a reward for content creation, unlike now where you'd need to do some janitorial work + article work to become an admin. Of course, it differs by project, where some still small language wikipedias would be giving adminship for content creation, but now that only stewards can give adminship on small projects, that also seems gone. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:37, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[]

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Would you also consider this to be him? Typical edit of his. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:20, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[]

It is the same IP address block, see Special:Contributions/2001:14BB:A1:4805:88FF:D3DB:461D:4BD2/32. –LPfi (talk) 13:56, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Thought there'd be more edits by others in the /32 range but it seems mostly him. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 14:01, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Aargh. It'd be /64, of course, and that's only this one edit. But yes, it seems like him. If it stays the only edit from that block, we'll never know. –LPfi (talk) 14:08, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Per the duck test, that's obviously him. (Now, what am I doing this late at 00:22) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 14:23, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[]

.json linesEdit

Quite interesting to see how much byte size they can sometimes take up... Oxley Highway was earlier in Special:ShortPages but it seems now it's in Special:LongPages. Might do E8 through Finland and Norway next, although that'll probably take at least two hours. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:58, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[]

I reduced the json size in the riverside walk by 16 kB by truncating the values to dm resolution instead of nm (!). That's only 10 % of the article, though. One could cut at least twice as much by sacrificing the indentation. Such changes are quite easy to do with emacs (or sed, perl or the like). I had put in a comment with lower resolution coords, which messed up my first try – reverting is easy but troubleshooting less so.
I suppose E8 could be done using the wikidata-OSM coupling instead of tracing. For me it would probably take the same 2 hr, but it would be much cleaner.
What about markers? They disappeared when you added the maplinks to the riverside walk, was that intentional? There should be some way for the reader to easily summon them.
LPfi (talk) 11:15, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[]
I was wondering the same too. Wikivoyage:How to use dynamic maps#Adding districts and tracks isn't very helpful in giving answers on the markers. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:31, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[]
LPfi, I cannot believe what I'm seeing in Turku riverside walk! It worked. The markers are now back. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:50, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[]
[edit conflict] No. I searched there too. Can you refer to the markers by a name in the show clause? Ah! I see you got the same idea :-)
Nice!
LPfi (talk) 11:52, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Now I guess I've got to re-write the tutorials. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:03, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[]
At least add these findings. It seems their prime target audience is those working with maps more than casually, so some of the hard-to-grasp passages may be justified, although context and language should be clarified. –LPfi (talk) 12:12, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[]

One thing I wonder about is how to treat alternative route sections. I have now mostly drawn the main routes and then added the alternatives individually: a-b-c-d-e + b-b'-c + d-d'-e, although you'd use either a-b-c-d-e or a-b-b'-c-d-d'-e. I don't know what grouping would be appropriate. E.g. the bridges downstream are now individual polylines, and I use only route1. –LPfi (talk) 12:22, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Me too. Considering how .json lines are something that were long forgotten until now, the only other person who might be technical enough to figure it out is K7L, I dunno. I'm still quite new to json, unlike .css or HTML. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:51, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[]
I've made a little tutorial here, which is more designed for the non-technical people. I didn't go into all the advanced and all that, and I didn't mention anything about saving your code onto github (I do that, but it's not a must). Feel free to edit or make changes to it. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 14:10, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[]
OK. I'll take a look at some point. –LPfi (talk) 11:26, 15 September 2021 (UTC)[]
I just happened to finish E8. Took me 2.5 hours. Time consuming but worth the result. But I don't think I've ever added 230,378 bytes of text in a mainspace article before... SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 13:08, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[]
:-)
Json is 2/3 of the Turku itinerary. I did group the routes, as I find you can choose what routes to show if you have the map in fullscreen. I think grouping like how I did works, but I'd like a way to include a section in several routes without duplicating the data. That would allow showing a specific route variant. In the Turku itinerary that would be mostly useful for bike/pram/wheelchair/other (colour coding would be an obvious alternative, but it works better for showing trail quality). For later editing labelling would be nice (scrolling up and down unannotated coordinate lists is error prone and frustrating). I have added comments ("//", "/* ... */"), but I suppose there is some more stringent way to do it.
LPfi (talk) 14:41, 17 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Docent for Turku?Edit

Hi LPfi, just wondering on whether you've considered on becoming a docent for Turku, given your local knowledge and we can never be too short of docents? --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:51, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[]

@SHB2000: Thank you for asking. I have thought about it, but I am not really comfortable with the idea, mainly because having my name on the page gives a feeling of responsibility that I don't like. I am happy to help, but I don't like I'd be supposed to help. I know, it's kind of silly, as docents cannot be assumed to be available all the time. Partly the feeling is due to real life concerns, related or not. Perhaps later. –LPfi (talk) 12:51, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Yeah that's fine. Although I signed up for about 11 pages, most, if not all of them are low visibility towns or places that I just go frequently, and those are nothing in size compared to Turku. And yet it seems I've still to this date had zero questions asked. But Turku is much bigger than all of those that I've signed up so understandable.
But I do still wonder, was the docents thing a failed project? I haven't seen any questions asked on anyone's talk on those who've signed up. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:57, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[]
I don't know. I think it is mostly about us having quite small a reader base, and many of those reading might not be planning real travel, at least not to all places they are reading about. Even when on their way, not everybody asks questions, and few ask as the first one in a certain forum. I know the feeling from other forums: yes, anybody is allowed to write, but am I in this group of anybodies? –LPfi (talk) 13:12, 16 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Commons userboxEdit

You mentioned here a while ago on userboxes "We might approve some that we think are important, foremost the babel, but there are others I think add significant value, such as the admin, sister projects, and perhaps technical user ones". Given that our userbox for commons which is currently {{sister}} which doesn't work well with alignment, does this box work well?

<div style="float:right; border:solid #808080 1px; margin: 1px;">
{| cellspacing="0" style="width:238px;background:#eee;"
| style="width: 45px; height: 45px; background: #ddd; text-align: center;" | [[Image:Commons-logo.svg|36px|link=]]
| style="font-size: 8pt; padding: 4pt; line-height: 1.25em; color: black;" | This user has [[:c:User:{{{1|{{BASEPAGENAME}}}}}|a page]] on [[:c:Main Page|Wikimedia Commons]]. 
|}</div>

which produces

  This user has a page on Wikimedia Commons.

Any feedback welcome as I don't know how it'll look on other devices (works well on my mac, but don't know about others)

--SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:24, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[]

@SHB2000: Could you please explain the alignment problem? I see that Sister is narrower than Babel. Is that the problem? I think solving general problems individually is problematic (perhaps you recognise that thinking if you have been into programming). Sister uses {{side box}}, and if the problem is with that template, it should be fixed there, and if the problem is with Sister, it should be fixed in Sister, perhaps with an additional parameter not to break uses that depend on a certain behaviour.
For how the template looks, I see no problems on my laptop, but I don't know what to look for. Side box has class="metadata mbox-small{{#ifeq:{{lc:{{{position|}}}}}|left|-left}} {{{class|}}}" and class="mbox-text" style="{{{textstyle|}}}", which might do something important about printing, screenreaders, mobile devices and user css. I'd like to know what they do before leaving them out in a template intended to be widely used.
The old babel template (before lua) had class="userboxes" width: 248px;. Side box says width: 238px. Both define borders.
LPfi (talk) 08:06, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[]
I'll upload a screenshot of the alignment problem. See if that explains it. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:22, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[]
This is how it looks on my screen. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:27, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Yes. The sister boxes are narrower than the babel boxes, perhaps with the 10px that differ between the old babel template and the side box. I assume we shouldn't be tampering with Babel, so the side box should be adjusted instead. We could change "width: 238px;" to width: {{{{{width}}}|238px}}; or somesuch (I didn't check the syntax, and might remember it wrongly) and put a "|width=248px" into the side box call in sister. Perhaps we could even change the default in side box, but before doing that we should check uses and ask in the Pub. –LPfi (talk) 08:48, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Probably as you mentioned, best to ask in the pub. Well, first thing tomorrow. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:57, 23 September 2021 (UTC)[]

rev del request on sv.wikipediaEdit

As you might have noticed on my talk page, there's a vandal going around putting sexually explicit images on all my talk pages (has gone to about 60 so far). Although not many have been rev deled, can you rev del the one on the Swedish Wikipedia? Thanks! SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:53, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Of course, but I cannot find it. There is just one version, which is not vandalism, and I don't find anything in the log. –LPfi (talk) 11:00, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Oh wait, no sorry about that. I'm getting confused having just been on numerous wikis. Seems they weren't on my talk page on sv. Anyway, I'll write an note for you at EF37, so can you have a look at it. Thanks. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:17, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[]

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── On another note, can you rev del the one and only edit on sv.wb by b:sv:Special:Contributions/45.128.36.210? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:25, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[]

@SHB2000: Done. –LPfi (talk) 12:36, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Thanks :-) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:37, 29 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Finnish translationEdit

Nothing to do with Wikivoyage, but since you and Ypsilon are the only two users here that know Finnish (that I know of), but would this revert be a reasonable revert of a personal attack? I did a google translate for it, and it seemed like a personal attack, but I wanted to double check with you since you once mentioned that machine translation from fi to en may not always be correct (and also why Vkem's edits are sometimes hard to understand). Thanks! SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 14:05, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[]

Yes, right to revert. I don't know the context, but it seems like a frustrated outburst with less prudent language. No real content. Too general to really be taken personally, –LPfi (talk) 17:21, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Wasn't against me, but it seemed like a random IP edit to another IP talk page. Just found it as part of my usual cross wiki monitoring. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:55, 27 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Yes, but I know nothing about the interaction between the users, i.e. whether this was connected to an edit or edits of either. But never mind, that kind of language can be reverted regardless. In the right context the line could perhaps even have been said between friends, but we want to keep the language civil. –LPfi (talk) 05:00, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[]
Okay, thanks for the clarification. Just wanted to double check since I don't usually revert personal attacks in a language apart from en and fr for a peace of mind. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:11, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[]
It was an insult, basically calling the someone a "f*cking ape" imitating a monkey sounding to boot, and it seems to me to be OK to revert it. Ypsilon (talk) 13:48, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[]