Talk:Ala Kahakai National Historic Trail
Latest comment: 2 years ago by Ikan Kekek in topic VfD discussion
VfD discussion
editWhilst it has a great history section, unfortunately, it has no travel content except in the § Get in and this can be nominated per the one year rule for itineraries. Much of this content could just perfectly do fine in a Wikipedia article. Could be merged in Kaloko-Honokohau National Historical Park.
As another note, as someone who's done several US NRTs, I do not think they meet the "notable itinerary" criterion. They are no more well-known than pretty much most itineraries one could find. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:25, 1 March 2022 (UTC)
- Comment: Either it gets rescued in the next two weeks, it gets merged (and I mean with real content added) to Big Island,
or it gets deleted. The trail is too long to fit in any single region in the Big Island, and it can't be reasonably merged to Kaloko-Honokohau National Historical Park, because compare the maps. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:22, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
- I'm not sure anymore that it would be bad to keep this article. It has important background information, a map and a photo of the trail. I'd say don't delete, but a merge to Big Island would be acceptable - but I mean merging "Understand", "Get in," the thumbnail and either merging the map or substituting this link to a map. I think that would mean giving the trail its own subsection in Big Island#Do. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:46, 2 March 2022 (UTC)
- Merge and redirect to Big Island. I'm currently on the Big Island and have walked portions of this trail recently, the trail passes through private property and land sacred to native Hawaiian people that are closed off to visitors making it almost impossible (and illegal) for a tourist to walk the trail completely. Tai123.123 (talk) 06:10, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
- Keep and expand. It is probably not possible to hike the entire trail now, but five sections (if I understand correctly) are open. I assume you could want to do those sections as one itinerary, with some driving in-between. If merged with sufficient information, it will overwhelm the current sections of Hiking and camping and Hiking destinations. This is not a personal itinerary by the definition of such: "arbitrary articles that aren't collaborative. While everyone can agree on what should go in [...]", "just duplicate content". It is quite well-defined, so adding content is easy, easier in an article with a standard layout than in an odd subsection, which should be breaked out anyway if made usable. @Tai123.123: is the description at the linked pages erroneous? –LPfi (talk) 16:04, 18 March 2022 (UTC)
- Which linked page? Do you mean the National park service one? Also I'd like to draw attention towards Ala Kahakai Kaloko-Honokohau Trail, an article on a specific part of the trail that should be merged into the page if its kept. Tai123.123 (talk) 06:14, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect there. I didn't know about it. (And yes, I meant the official site). Most of the article under discussion here is Understand, which fits well in that one, and the rest can be included as a Nearby-type section. –LPfi (talk) 09:03, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
- I don't think redirecting to one specific part of the trail is good as the other sections of the trail are so far away. Tai123.123 (talk) 18:48, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
- Those who search for the trail should be happy to be directed to a leg that can be hiked, and after the merge, there would be information there also on the other legs – not much but as much as we have. A redirect to the island is much less use. –LPfi (talk) 09:00, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- (Sorry for late response) But there are other parts of the trail that can be hiked and we have content on for example I walked the 1871 trail in Puʻuhonua o Hōnaunau National Historical Park which is listed in do, I'll write a mock up of what I think an Ala Kahalai section in the big island article could be like soon. Tai123.123 (talk) 14:55, 9 April 2022 (UTC)
- Those who search for the trail should be happy to be directed to a leg that can be hiked, and after the merge, there would be information there also on the other legs – not much but as much as we have. A redirect to the island is much less use. –LPfi (talk) 09:00, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
- I don't think redirecting to one specific part of the trail is good as the other sections of the trail are so far away. Tai123.123 (talk) 18:48, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
- Redirect there. I didn't know about it. (And yes, I meant the official site). Most of the article under discussion here is Understand, which fits well in that one, and the rest can be included as a Nearby-type section. –LPfi (talk) 09:03, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
- Which linked page? Do you mean the National park service one? Also I'd like to draw attention towards Ala Kahakai Kaloko-Honokohau Trail, an article on a specific part of the trail that should be merged into the page if its kept. Tai123.123 (talk) 06:14, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
- This has been up for way longer than the guidelines recommend. Shall we archive this nomination in favor of keeping the article and discuss where to redirect it further on its talk page? Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:17, 16 April 2022 (UTC)
- Outcome: Kept, without prejudice to where it might be merged. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:35, 18 April 2022 (UTC)