Talk:Cairo/Giza
The correct URL for the Sound and Light Show is very difficult to find using Google. The one that was in this page until today (October 6, 2008) was not no longer correct. http://www.soundandlight.com.eg/Default.aspx does not take you directly to the Giza Pyramids Sound and Light but uclose enough; the use of asp makes it difficult to determine what a direct URL would be.
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editcan the infobox in 'do' section be right-aligned and text wrapped? Not my arena... (WT-en) Cacahuate 02:54, 2 December 2006 (EST)
Hey it's only 4 years later...not in the most elegant manner, but I fixed the alignment issue in the show-times box. I wonder how up to date the info is...? (WT-en) Bbb0777 21:42, 22 March 2011 (EDT)
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editThe lemma Cairo/Giza makes no sense because Giza is a separated town which is a governorate capital, too. It is not a part of the town of Cairo. You should name it simply Giza. --RolandUnger (talk) 18:25, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- Giza is not part of Cairo city, but it's part of Cairo metropolitan area. I think it would be confusing to the traveler if they were separated. Maybe we should add a note on relevant pages that they are part of the Cairo *metropolitan area* not municipality? Ar2332 (talk) 19:23, 7 January 2018 (UTC)
- The readers will be confused about Cairo/Giza if they will learn that they are in Giza and not in Cairo -- at least if they are looking for administration. Of course there is a metropolitan area named Greater Cairo. But it consists of about 18 (!) cities and a lot of villages as you can learn it from voy:de:Groß-Kairo. It makes no sense to have Cairo/6th of October City and Cairo/Shubra el-Kheima and so on. We should strictly divide between the city of Cairo situated only on the Nile east bank and the metropolitan area. --RolandUnger (talk) 05:43, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- I disagree - let's wait for other people to weigh in. Ar2332 (talk) 10:04, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- Well, here's the first phrase of the article: "Giza (الجيزة el-Gīza) is a city located to the west of the Egyptian capital Cairo". I haven't yet been to Egypt, but I'm wondering how similar the situation is to Los Angeles, where we cover a bunch of separate cities that are nevertheless usually considered part of L.A. because they are in L.A. County. For example, Santa Monica is quite visibly separate, with distinct-looking buses and police cars. But the thing is, the article for Santa Monica, though breadcrumbed to Westside (Los Angeles County), which is in turn breadcrumbed to Los Angeles, is not called Los Angeles/Santa Monica, but simply Santa Monica. So what would be the problem in titling this article simply Giza, removing the "Cairo/" portion of any other Greater Cairo municipalities and keeping the breadcrumbing and everything else as is? -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:12, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- I agree with Ikan's suggestion.Ar2332 (talk) 21:14, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- Sorry Roland, but I am also in favour of keeping it a part of Cairo. I reckon most people would stay in the centre of Cairo when visiting the Pyramids. With two cities to take care about, travellers will get the impression they have to plan an additional trip to the Pyramids besides Cairo. But actually when you are in Cairo, it is very easy to board a local train from Ramses Station and after 10-20 min get off at Giza Station for the Pyramids. Furthermore, the Cairo article reads like there are some trains with a final stop in Giza, as to the alternative station Ramses. Ceever (talk) 16:19, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
- And the City of London is a single square mile -- everything else is Greater London. But we call the other parts "London/West End", etc., because that's how travellers see them. The municipal administrative arrangements are of no concern to the overwhelming majority of travellers. When I booked my hotel in Dokki in order to be close to downtown Cairo and its sights, I had no idea that administratively it was in Giza city, and it made no difference to me during my stay. I walked across a couple of bridges, hailed a Careem, or hopped on the metro to see the sights of Cairo. There is a short pedestrian bridge from Coptic Cairo to Gezira Island for Pete's sake. Gezira is also in Giza city. Travellers see Giza as a suburb of Cairo because it is one, so let's help them out by keeping Cairo in the articles' names. Ground Zero (talk) 18:44, 15 November 2018 (UTC)
- Sorry Roland, but I am also in favour of keeping it a part of Cairo. I reckon most people would stay in the centre of Cairo when visiting the Pyramids. With two cities to take care about, travellers will get the impression they have to plan an additional trip to the Pyramids besides Cairo. But actually when you are in Cairo, it is very easy to board a local train from Ramses Station and after 10-20 min get off at Giza Station for the Pyramids. Furthermore, the Cairo article reads like there are some trains with a final stop in Giza, as to the alternative station Ramses. Ceever (talk) 16:19, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
- I agree with Ikan's suggestion.Ar2332 (talk) 21:14, 14 January 2018 (UTC)
- Well, here's the first phrase of the article: "Giza (الجيزة el-Gīza) is a city located to the west of the Egyptian capital Cairo". I haven't yet been to Egypt, but I'm wondering how similar the situation is to Los Angeles, where we cover a bunch of separate cities that are nevertheless usually considered part of L.A. because they are in L.A. County. For example, Santa Monica is quite visibly separate, with distinct-looking buses and police cars. But the thing is, the article for Santa Monica, though breadcrumbed to Westside (Los Angeles County), which is in turn breadcrumbed to Los Angeles, is not called Los Angeles/Santa Monica, but simply Santa Monica. So what would be the problem in titling this article simply Giza, removing the "Cairo/" portion of any other Greater Cairo municipalities and keeping the breadcrumbing and everything else as is? -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:12, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- I disagree - let's wait for other people to weigh in. Ar2332 (talk) 10:04, 8 January 2018 (UTC)
- The readers will be confused about Cairo/Giza if they will learn that they are in Giza and not in Cairo -- at least if they are looking for administration. Of course there is a metropolitan area named Greater Cairo. But it consists of about 18 (!) cities and a lot of villages as you can learn it from voy:de:Groß-Kairo. It makes no sense to have Cairo/6th of October City and Cairo/Shubra el-Kheima and so on. We should strictly divide between the city of Cairo situated only on the Nile east bank and the metropolitan area. --RolandUnger (talk) 05:43, 8 January 2018 (UTC)