Talk:Ibiza (city)

Change page name to Eivissa

User:Vadp copied the content of this page and made it a redirect to Eivissa, which is the official, Catalan name for this town. I undid this for now, since we would need to move the page in order to save the history, but we should also discuss this since we usually opt for English names (when there is one) rather than the official, local one. To me, Ibiza town or Ibiza city is the well-known, English language name, but I'm not sure how others feel? Also, if we do opt for a change, we should differentiate between the Catalan names for the island and the city, which are identical. JuliasTravels (talk) 16:28, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

We should almost always use the English name. For example, we don't call articles München or Roma but Munich and Rome (it's however good having redirects for local names of destinations, as travelers will encounter these when they are there).

The exception would be when a place does have an English name, but it has fallen out of use, and English-language media refers to it by its local name. ϒpsilon (talk) 17:15, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

I'd like to repeat that from my point of view it's good to differentiate the city from the island. I'd bet when people hear "Ibiza" they think about the island. Yes, perhaps Eivissa is not that popular yet as, for example Livorno, but my feeling it good respect natives' choice and to encourage people to use such a nice name!

As for the history -- let's see how this page looked like before my contributions to this page special:diff/2396310. It looks like all subsequent changes by other editors were cancelled. I'd agree though that in general you both quite right about history, etc. but in this case it's not a big deal --Vadim Shlyakhov (talk) 18:04, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

This is a travel guide, and not a means to encourage the use of any (not yet so popular) name. In naming articles, we follow our Naming conventions. This means that we would only use the official Catalan name if the English name would be out of use. It's not a matter of personal taste or something being a big deal - it's just policy. As for the reverted changes, are there any changes that you feel were improvements and were still reverted? JuliasTravels (talk) 22:11, 27 November 2016 (UTC)

I feel that I had enough with this pages --Vadim Shlyakhov (talk) 10:02, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

No-one can keep any volunteer editor here against their will, but do you understand that we want to keep this guide user-friendly for English speakers? What is confusing or frustrating you about this? Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:05, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

No problem, Ikan, I've just fed up with Ibiza --Vadim Shlyakhov (talk) 15:59, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

But why? Just because we're not using a name English-speakers don't use? Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:31, 28 November 2016 (UTC)

No, that's a coincidence, but it wouldn't hurt if some of the wardens would be more polite. While we are here it really irritating to see some pages filled up with really stupid ads, like at Eat section here. Cheers! --Vadim Shlyakhov (talk) 08:33, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Sorry if I seemed impolite; I just had a hard time relating to what you proposed to do in this thread. Sorry that you see me as a warden, too. Anyway, if you notice touting, please plunge forward and get rid of it. That's all any of us can do. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:54, 29 November 2016 (UTC)

Ikan, I wasn't aiming at you, sorry my English. Perhaps I need a bit more of sun. As for touting, I don't really want to run into another shouting, but let's see. Anyway, thanks for your efforts. Have a nice day --Vadim Shlyakhov (talk) 09:10, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

You too, and thanks for all you do. You're a good contributor. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:33, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

If you were aiming at me, I'm quite sorry too if you feel I've been impolite towards you :-). That's never the intention, and to be honest, I'm not entirely sure why you feel I was. As far as I'm concerned, there was no shouting or hard feelings; simply a policy discussion. That doesn't mean any of us don't value your input or contributions. In any case, I hope a little break from the Ibiza articles will lift your spirits and hopefully make you rethink your decision to abandon them. Your contributions there or elsewhere are very welcome. JuliasTravels (talk) 13:55, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

Dear JuliasTravels, I'm not in a mood to reopen this discussion, but you'd find plenty of exceptions in the wiki from the rule, for example Îles d'Hyères. As for politeness, then I simply meant that a few "magic" words would help when you breaking in out of thin air. Cheers --Vadim Shlyakhov (talk) 10:35, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Just for clarification of the reasoning, Îles d'Hyères is not an exception to the naming policy. It's a French name, yes, but in this case there is no well-known English name available. ("Golden islands" is just a translation of the alternative French name, not an actual English name in use, so in that case the policy would not apply). JuliasTravels (talk) 13:20, 1 December 2016 (UTC)