Talk:Owerri

Cargo airports

How are these useful to travellers? I'd normally summarily delete such listings, but do they also serve general aviation (individual pilots flying their private planes) or passenger charter flights? Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:30, 5 June 2021 (UTC)

LovelyChizzy, SelfieCity, SHB2000, Ground Zero and Timmylegend, any thoughts? I would particularly like to hear from LovelyChizzy because of her local expertise. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:08, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

There are passenger flights, too, and they are scheduled and frequent. I've added some info. The name is misleading. Ground Zero (talk) 03:21, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Oh great! Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:39, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

Yeah, names of airports can be very misleading. e.g. Hobart or Broome have their airport as "Hobart International Airport" and "Broome International Airport", but they don't have international flights. I'm sure there's plenty of misleading airport names in the US and Europe too. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 08:13, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

The Owerri airport actually offers passenger services, although the name is misleading. It is one of the major airports in South Eastern Nigeria.Timmylegend (talk) 10:42, 7 June 2021 (UTC)

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Copypasta?

This is relevant to too many users for a user talk page: Is any of this uncredited copypasta that violates Wikivoyage:Copyleft (=plagiarism)? Ping User:Preshgilbert, User:Nze Victoria, User:Kulest, User:Iwuala Lucy, User:102.88.33.149. I'll look forward to reading your remarks about this. In the meantime, I'd like to point out that the "directions" tab is not for a long numbered list, but rather for cross-streeets and the like - please read Wikivoyage:Listings - and that default address info (Owerri 460114 Imo, etc.) should be omitted from "address" tabs in favour of street addresses only. Also, everyone, please read Wikivoyage:Don't tout, because even though it's likely that none of you intend to tout, that page has important information for you about the expected tone of Wikivoyage articles and listings. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:51, 6 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi @Ikan Kekek

With regards to the first point, I could you simplify 'copypasta'

For the second point, I now understand the purpose "direction" tab and it would be communicated across to the above users.

Thirdly, we don't intent to tout and has no such intention. The Users are only focused on documenting Agricultural Institutions on the this pages.

Definitely, with gradual process and learning pace, we would become better contributors on Wikivoyage. Iwuala Lucy (talk) 04:23, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Copypasta is copying and pasting from other websites. I know that touting is not intended, but when someone copies and pastes promotional content from a university's website, the effect is to tout. If you read Wikivoyage:Don't tout, you'll see what tone is expected on this site. Everyone understands that new users face a learning curve here; all of us were new users once. But the way to learn is to read the things experienced users write and read the links they provide, so please do that. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:33, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

@Ikan Kekek Thanks for the simplification. For clarification, does it mean a contributor is not allowed to paste a website link on the website tab while adding listing.

Also, I would want to know if Google Map information could could not be used.

Yes, I believe new users can learn by reading what experienced users have written, however, I'm beginning to understand that practical scenerios as this are also part of the learning process just as in this case.

Thanks for sharing your insight Iwuala Lucy (talk) 04:43, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

You're most welcome. Primary links should be used, so for example, a museum's website should be given in the "url" tab of a listing for a museum. It's no problem to get coordinates from Google Maps, as those can't be copyrighted. I'm not sure I understand what you're asking about in terms of Google Maps. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:44, 7 July 2024 (UTC)

Formatting

To make it easier for readers to find information in articles, Wikivoyage uses standard formatting in its articles. Some new editors have been using a variety of different styles, which makes Wikivoyage harder to read, and look like a random mess of information, instead of a travel guide.

1. Times in Nigeria articles must be in this format: 9AM-noon, 2-6PM, 9PM-midnight.
2. Days of the week are abbreviation like this: M Tu W Th F Sa Su.
3. If a business is open every day, write "daily", instead of "M-Su".
4. Phone numbers must be in this format: +234 700 5454 3663.
5. In the Owerri article, we don't add "Owerri, Imo State" in addresses -- that is obvious. And we don't include the post code, either.
6. And don't type ALL IN CAPITAL LETTERS.

Please help correct the formatting of the new information that has been added. Thank you. Ground Zero (talk) 12:02, 12 July 2024 (UTC) @Chigozirim2005, Mbah Victor Chukwuemerie, Stanley kadurumba, Iwuala Lucy, Njokuchiamaka: Ground Zero (talk) 12:09, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

I will revert edits that ignore these points of the style guide, and I will block editors that make such edits. If you have questions, please ask me. But please stop ignoring my request to edit in line with the Wikivoyage style guide. Ground Zero (talk) 22:46, 12 July 2024 (UTC)

Hi @@Ground Zero, thanks for taking out your time to put up these best practices. These edit requests would all be effected today. Thanks Iwuala Lucy (talk) 00:47, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

@Ground Zero @SHB2000, I would request you grant these list editors the grace of today (without blocking) to effect the necessary corrections. I believe this will also be part of their learning process and being better contributors on WikiVoyage. Iwuala Lucy (talk) 02:08, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

@Ground Zero just to confirm, does it mean that in an instance of '9AM -10PM', I should write it as '9AM-noon, 2-6PM, 9PM-10PM' instead? Anticipating your kind response. Iwuala Lucy (talk) 03:29, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

@Iwuala Lucy: If a business opens at 9 o'clock in the morning and closes at 10 o'clock in the evening, the times should be written as 9AM-10PM, not "9am-10pm" and not "09:00-22:00" in Nigerian articles.

I have only blocked editors after they ignore my requests on their talk pages. I don't know how else to get their attention. New editors are welcome, but please remember that we are all volunteers here. It is not the job of me or anyone else to fix their mistakes. I would appreciate it if you could ask the new editors to follow the style I have explained above. Thank you. Ground Zero (talk) 03:36, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

@Ground Zero Thanks for the clarification.

Yes, I've reached out to these editors as well.

I have also created a video guide for them to respond and effect the edit request you made.

Thanks Iwuala Lucy (talk) 03:56, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

@Iwuala Lucy: thank you for your efforts to teach new editors about Wikivoyage. I am glad that Wikivoyage's articles about Nigeria are being improved so that more people can visit your country. Ground Zero (talk) 04:28, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

I note that Chigozirim2005 replaced opening hours with "Daily". I restored the hours, keeping daily (along with some other copy editing). We want the hours too. –LPfi (talk) 04:33, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

@Chigozirim2005, Mbah Victor Chukwuemerie, Stanley kadurumba, Iwuala Lucy, Njokuchiamaka: I have corrected the formatting for hotels. There are now two "Eat" sections, and the restaurant listings appear twice. Could one of you figure out which text should be deleted. Thank you. Ground Zero (talk) 05:14, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

I removed one of the sections. They were identical, apart from one missing the last entries. –LPfi (talk) 05:22, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Oops, I might have deleted the wrong version, checking. –LPfi (talk) 05:29, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

It was just the last listing that was doubled, making me think the listings after the first occurrence were missing. Will merge them. Seems there were some tweaks made also to the latter version (I thought the changes were only mine, made to the first). I hope nothing serious was missed. Might check up that too. –LPfi (talk) 05:48, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

OK. Seems fine. –LPfi (talk) 05:57, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Examples of correct (and incorrect) time formatting

• M-F 9AM-5PM (not Mon-Fri 9am-5pm)
• Sa Su noon-11PM (not Sat Sun 12AM-11PM)
• Daily 10AM-5:30PM (not M-Su 10:00-17:30)

Please ask questions if this is not clear. Ground Zero (talk) 05:19, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Thanks for sharing Iwuala Lucy (talk) 15:38, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Number of restaurants

@Chigozirim2005, Mbah Victor Chukwuemerie, LPfi, Iwuala Lucy, SHB2000: There are now 104 restaurants listed on this article. That is probably the most restaurants we have listed in a single article in all of Wikivoyage. Please do not add any more restaurants.

Please read Wikivoyage:Goals and non-goals:

"City guides should certainly include information for travel-related companies, but these should be kept to a useful number. Think of a friend from out of town asking you where they should go – you wouldn't list all 200 possibilities, but 5–10 options for a particular type, budget, or part of town would be helpful."

Most of the listings have very little information about the restaurants. How will our readers choose between them? This guide would be more useful to readers if descriptions were added to the listings, and if we started deleting listings for ordinary restaurants so that the reader can focus on the best and most interesting ones. Ground Zero (talk) 12:45, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

This is also directly against the spirit of Wikivoyage:Avoid long lists. As a start, I'll delete all listings without essential info by tomorrow if zilch is done. --SHB2000 (t | c | m) 12:52, 13 July 2024 (UTC)

Hello @SHB2000 yes, you can go ahead and delete. I have also reached out directly to these contributors and they have taken their corrections. Thanks Iwuala Lucy (talk) 15:39, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

Cheers for that, Lucy! It'll still need a lot more curation, but the ones now listed all have some means of contact info. --SHB2000 (t | c | m) 21:21, 14 July 2024 (UTC)

I am not sure contact info is essential if there is an address or good directions. Unless you have to book a table you seldom call in advance. Descriptions, however, are essential, at least if there isn't a web page given (in which case the description should be added based on the web info, not copied though). I think the pruning was necessary, and contact info was one possible criteria, but places with description showing the place is worth keeping in a list of 3×(7±2) should be kept even when they have no contact info (my favourite restaurant over here often doesn't bother to answer calls: they prioritise serving customers already there). –LPfi (talk) 06:29, 15 July 2024 (UTC)