Template talk:Itinerary skeleton
Latest comment: 3 years ago by SHB2000 in topic RfD nomination
Moving this template
editFor most other kinds of articles, we have a template that can be used to subst into new articles when creating them.... I would like to create one for itineraries, but this is the logical one to use, so that it follows the same consistent naming ({{smallcity}}, {{region}}, etc).
It would take a little work (which I'm willing to do), but any objections to moving the current use of this template to Template:IsItinerary? – (WT-en) cacahuate talk 21:54, 6 June 2009 (EDT)
- This is a good idea. Though there are about 276 pages with this link currently. Let me know if you'd like a second hand at moving them. (WT-en) Bill in STL 00:33, 26 August 2010 (EDT)
replaced
editThis template has been replaced by {{PartOfItinerary}} --Traveler100 (talk) 18:11, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
- I will add it to vfd. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 19:33, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
- Did you? I see in Wikivoyage:Votes for deletion/October 2019 that Template:Itinerary was deleted, but instead, it redirects here. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:08, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Ikan Kekek: I probably missed it, but it’s too long ago for me to remember. I could nominate it now. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 11:15, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
- I'm confused. {{PartOfItinerary}} is different from this itinerary skeleton. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:35, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
- @Ikan Kekek: I probably missed it, but it’s too long ago for me to remember. I could nominate it now. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 11:15, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
- Did you? I see in Wikivoyage:Votes for deletion/October 2019 that Template:Itinerary was deleted, but instead, it redirects here. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:08, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
RfD nomination
editObsolete according to Traveler100. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 11:16, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
- Speedy keep the purpose of that is so that is similar to that of {{subst:park}} or {{subst:smallcity}}. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:21, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
- Everyone should look at Wikivoyage:Votes for deletion/October 2019 and Template talk:Itinerary skeleton for context. Ikan Kekek (talk) 12:11, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
- I'm trying to understand why this shouldn't be deleted. Please explain, in view of this post in Template talk:Itinerary skeleton#replaced:
This template has been replaced by {{PartOfItinerary}} --Traveler100 (talk) 18:11, 7 September 2019 (UTC)
Also, Template:Itinerary was ostensibly deleted 5 October 2019, yet at some point, it was redirected to Template:Itinerary skeleton. I think it can be deleted without further debate. Does anyone want to contest that? Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:29, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
- Perhaps have a look at the code. The previous code was:
:''This article is an '''[[Itineraries|itinerary]]'''.''
{{#ifeq:{{NAMESPACE}}|{{ns:0}}|[[Category:Itineraries]]|<!-- Don't categorize when not in main (article) space. -->}}{{#ifeq:{{#invoke:wikibase|disambig}}|false||[[Category:Pages linked to a data item for a disambiguation]]}}<noinclude>
{{documentation}}[[Category:Hatnote templates]]
</noinclude>
- The code for {{itinerary skeleton}} is:
{{pagebanner|Itinerary}}
'''Itinerary''' is in [[Region_name]].
==Understand==
==Prepare==
==Get in==
==Go/Walk/Drive/...==
==Stay safe==
==Go next==
{{outlineitinerary}}
{{PartOfItinerary|}}
- In which it is significantly different from what it was in 2019 before it was deleted. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:34, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
- I think that's an argument to keep Template:Itinerary skeleton and (re?)delete Template:Itinerary? Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:49, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
- Perhaps have a look at {{park}} or {{smallcity}}. I can't exactly remember why I created this template back in April, but it is meant to serve a similar purpose to the two I mentioned, where you just enter {{subst:itinerary}} just like you would for {{subst:smallcity}}. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:54, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
- OK, are you saying you recreated the deleted template and someone redirected it? Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:57, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
- Looking at the page logs, I created it back in April, but it was so long ago that I can't even remember. Also an FYI, but as a test, create a redlink, don't click publish, but have a look at the header. If this template is deleted, it may mess that header. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:00, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
- Just to be clear, we're talking about Template:Itinerary? If you recreated that as a different template than the one that was voted to be deleted in 2019, it's no longer really the same file. But do we need the redirect? Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:25, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
- Okay, but then if we delete {{itinerary}}, then we'd have to delete {{smallcity}}, {{park}}, {{airport}} and so on. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:34, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
- That template redirects to Template:Itinerary skeleton. It is not functioning on its own. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:36, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
- Similarly, templates like {{park}} redirect to Template:Park skeleton and so on. None of these shortcuts work on its own. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:39, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
- OK, I guess I don't understand quite what changed in 2 years, but if these templates are needed, so be it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:18, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
- Similarly, templates like {{park}} redirect to Template:Park skeleton and so on. None of these shortcuts work on its own. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:39, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
- That template redirects to Template:Itinerary skeleton. It is not functioning on its own. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:36, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
- Okay, but then if we delete {{itinerary}}, then we'd have to delete {{smallcity}}, {{park}}, {{airport}} and so on. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:34, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
- Just to be clear, we're talking about Template:Itinerary? If you recreated that as a different template than the one that was voted to be deleted in 2019, it's no longer really the same file. But do we need the redirect? Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:25, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
- Looking at the page logs, I created it back in April, but it was so long ago that I can't even remember. Also an FYI, but as a test, create a redlink, don't click publish, but have a look at the header. If this template is deleted, it may mess that header. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:00, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
- OK, are you saying you recreated the deleted template and someone redirected it? Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:57, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
- Perhaps have a look at {{park}} or {{smallcity}}. I can't exactly remember why I created this template back in April, but it is meant to serve a similar purpose to the two I mentioned, where you just enter {{subst:itinerary}} just like you would for {{subst:smallcity}}. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:54, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
- I think that's an argument to keep Template:Itinerary skeleton and (re?)delete Template:Itinerary? Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:49, 25 August 2021 (UTC)
- {{Itinerary}} was recreated without consensus to undelete, so I have deleted as it had been made a redirect. As for the skeleton template, I’m not fully clear on the rationale for deleting it in 2019, though I realize I ought to know. Is it that itineraries shouldn’t have templates? --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 09:38, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
- I am totally confused. Why shouldn't itineraries have skeleton templates, and why wouldn't there be a redirect as for the other skeletons? The reason stated in the nomination was "this template is no longer necessary", as replaced by {{PartOfItinerary}}. But PartOfItinerary does not have the same functionality as the current {{Itinerary skeleton}} to which this was a redirect, and there were two keep votes and no delete vote (the closing admin seemingly leaned on the confused discussion). –LPfi (talk) 09:59, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
- Finally, I have someone who understands what {{itinerary}} was. It just so happened to be that I created a totally different template that just happened to have the name of a template which was deleted some time ago. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:44, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
- I am totally confused. Why shouldn't itineraries have skeleton templates, and why wouldn't there be a redirect as for the other skeletons? The reason stated in the nomination was "this template is no longer necessary", as replaced by {{PartOfItinerary}}. But PartOfItinerary does not have the same functionality as the current {{Itinerary skeleton}} to which this was a redirect, and there were two keep votes and no delete vote (the closing admin seemingly leaned on the confused discussion). –LPfi (talk) 09:59, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
- I got it above. I'm not sure why it was deleted during this discussion. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:31, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
- That I believe, you need to ask SelfieCity on why they deleted it while the discussion is pending. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:59, 1 September 2021 (UTC)
So @SelfieCity:, mind you consider undeleting {{itinerary}}? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:24, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
Done --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 09:42, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
Outcome: Kept. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:49, 8 September 2021 (UTC)