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Thank you for being on vandal patrol today.Edit

Have a butter tart (or several). Ground Zero (talk) 03:27, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

Thanks, although I wish I had been on the website when the vandalism itself took place. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 12:27, 12 January 2020 (UTC)

An award for you!Edit

  The Wikivoyage Barncompass
Impressive work on the New Smyrna Beach article! —Granger (talk · contribs) 20:18, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
@Mx. Granger: Thanks! By the way, if you see me undo your recent edit, I'm just adjusting the language to address the specifications you mentioned, not reverting your changes. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 20:21, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
Actually, I like the flow of the current draft. I do think, however, that the summer temperatures are similar to those of a tropical rainforest climate, so that comparison will likely help tourists, but the others can go for sure. I'll add some more temperatures as you mentioned. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 20:23, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
Okay, sounds good. —Granger (talk · contribs) 20:25, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
Award well-deserved. The most noticeable thing about the climate in a tropical rainforest is the extreme humidity - the air feels very thick and heavy. Is this the case in NSB? Coastal towns usually have a breeze running through them which freshens things up.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 20:49, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
Yes. On the immediate coast, there is a breeze, but once you leave the coast and go inland even a short distance, such as a mile or two, the humidity increases. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 20:51, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
Ah. I've just noticed there's quite a lot of 'Do' listings inland.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 20:57, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
Yes, while the beach is a popular destination (and deservedly so), I've also tried to emphasize that there are destinations west of the Intracoastal Waterway that are worth visiting for more adventurous explorers. Also, the Mainland region east of I-95 itself extends quite a way inland, even though it may look like a short distance on the map. Distances are large in NSB. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 20:58, 25 April 2020 (UTC)
@ThunderingTyphoons!, Mx. Granger: While I'd still consider it tropical rainforest, I've changed it to "wet tropical" because I think that is probably an even better suited term with which I think we'd all agree (the climate graph is helpful). --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 19:09, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
Okilly dokilly :P--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 19:20, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
Unless there is a preferred alternative wording.
I think the city receives more rain than almost anywhere in England... --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 19:21, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── Yes, it does. Who'da thunk it?--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 19:26, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

Exactly. It doesn't feel like it rains as much, though, because it's sunnier...though not at the moment, ironically as England has been sunny lately apparently. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 19:28, 26 April 2020 (UTC)
Yes, and it happens more than you'd think :) --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 20:10, 26 April 2020 (UTC)

Boating bannerEdit

Thanks for the banner for Boating in Finland! I don't know how you found that image, but I think it, in the banner version, is very typical for Finland. You even managed to get three different types of such small boats: a traditional wooden one, an inland plastic rowing boat and a typical somewhat more modern small outboard motor boat. --LPfi (talk) 17:24, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

Lady Franklin's husband's ExpeditionEdit

Hi there. I'm not a native Anglophone and have no grasp about these minutiae on articles and such. I thought the article should refer to "THE expedition of her husband" and thus wrote it. Thanks for the corrections, the splitting of paragraphs, and for not editing anything out. Ibaman (talk) 17:31, 14 May 2020 (UTC)

I think the current text should be clear enough, but I'll take a look and make any adjustments necessary for clarity. Thanks for mentioning this. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 17:43, 14 May 2020 (UTC)


You're a pleasant partner, dude, I admire your high-energy style; if we ever had quarrels, they were always most civil, and always for the ultimate benefit of Wikivoyage. This is most appreciated. In this spirit, I ask you to devise a banner for Yuquot, and make the final tweaks if needed, so we can have another Guide article. Ibaman (talk) 17:55, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

I’ll add a page banner shortly. Thanks for writing this article. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 18:12, 21 May 2020 (UTC)
  Done Thanks for the kind words. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 18:16, 21 May 2020 (UTC)

Innisfail (Queensland)Edit

I see that you created a banner for Innisfail (Queensland), which was uploaded 12 minutes before mine. I added mine to the article, and only discovered yours when I went to Wikidata to add mine. I don't think that there is a clear winner between the two banners, so I will let you choose, and I am happy if you revert my edit. AlasdairW (talk) 21:18, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

Ironically, I noticed the same image when I was considering which one to use. I'm not concerned either way, so let's use the new page banner you uploaded. We could use the original picture, for the previous banner, in the article if you also like it, as it seems to be a high-quality image showing the city. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 21:20, 25 May 2020 (UTC)

File:Small text.tiffEdit

Hi! If you so firmly believe that this file is not in Commons’ project scope and thus should be kept here, please nominate it for deletion on Commons. If the result of the RfD there is deletion, you were right keeping it here; if the result is keep, it can safely be deleted here, as it’s quite unlikely to be deleted in a second RfD. The current situation, in which the file exists in both places, is definitely the worst possible. Regards, —Tacsipacsi (talk) 13:54, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

@Tacsipacsi: AndreCarrotflower had already taken the same action earlier, and I was simply (as far as I know) reverting to the revision he made. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 14:53, 26 May 2020 (UTC)
But I suppose you reverted because you agree with him. Anyways, I left a message on his talk page as well; please either of you take steps in some direction. —Tacsipacsi (talk) 22:38, 3 June 2020 (UTC)
As he's a bureaucrat, I — perhaps wrongly — reinstated his reversion. He'll probably respond with a day or two at most, probably less. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 22:41, 3 June 2020 (UTC)


Hi dude. I'm following the edits on Russian cities as of today; the insistent copyedit to enforce British spelling sounds oddly familiar here. Let's keep an eye open on this one. Just a heads-up. Ibaman (talk) 15:46, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

OK, thanks for letting me know. Sorry I forgot about that individual. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 16:21, 26 May 2020 (UTC)

Biting newbies (unintentionally)?Edit

Hi. I saw the article just like you. I think we should let the new editor edit for a bit before we put a welcome message on their page or various "this needs to be fixed" tags on the article. At least if we wish to test the theory that welcome messages actually make people less likely to stick around, not more... Hobbitschuster (talk) 15:20, 17 June 2020 (UTC)

True. I won't make any more changes to the article or the talk page for a while unless s/he responds. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 15:21, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
But I do think it is worth noting that I only added one tag, and that at the talk page and the article I tried to be as polite about the matter as possible. Like you I want to encourage new editors to continue to contribute. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 15:33, 17 June 2020 (UTC)
I think in this case it all worked out... Hobbitschuster (talk) 16:03, 17 June 2020 (UTC)


Swept in from the pub

In User:SelfieCity/Maps how can I prevent part of Okeechobee not showing as part of the mapshape due to overlap between the lake and the counties? --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 19:22, 15 June 2020 (UTC)

Telstra vandalEdit

Hey there. Sorry but because I was not an admin yet when the Telstra vandal thing started, please let me know what I should look out for so I can block an revert when I encounter him/her. Thanks. The dog2 (talk) 18:08, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

I can send you an email, perhaps? --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 18:19, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Sure, go ahead. I have activated the e-mail user option. The dog2 (talk) 18:34, 28 June 2020 (UTC)
  Done. I have sent the email. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 18:57, 28 June 2020 (UTC)

Hot Weather (Water use restrictions?)Edit

Thanks for the update.

Not sure if it belongs here, but Hot Weather also may lead to water restrictions in some regions. (Western Australia being one I can recall specifcally.) ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 10:11, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

I would have associated it with droughts (not every place with heat is dry), but as an article about droughts doesn’t exist, a mention of that concern is entirely appropriate. California is another good example of a place with water restrictions (back in the 2010s), along with Great Britain, to a lesser extent. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 10:52, 30 June 2020 (UTC)

Regarding your edit summary hereEdit

I added the comment to something I wrote myself to justify the use of the term "Abrahamic religions" instead of singling out Islam or Judaism... Hobbitschuster (talk) 14:18, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Maybe, but I don't see why it has to be in the "edit" section of an article so that anyone else who happens to be editing sees this somewhat insensitive comment on a controversial issue. I really don't see why you didn't just write <!--Mike Pence for example--> or something of that nature, rather than what you wrote. I'm sure people will know what a shorter edit summary indicates, and if they don't, they can always make a search on the internet.
I'm also a little confused by the edit comment itself, since if there are obvious contradictions to the statement, why would we write it in the first place?
In order for Wikivoyage to look like a professional website, we ought to use edit comments as though they are as publicly visible as everything else on the website, since they can be accessed simply by clicking the "edit" button. I'm not concerned with the political side of this, since I'd have the same concerns no matter what the beliefs of the particular individual happened to be.
Thanks for replying regarding this issue.--Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 14:27, 31 July 2020 (UTC)
I edited out the religion entirely from the passage. E.g. here, in a secular/Lutheran Nordic country few would say has a conservative religion, many women prefer men not to sit down next to them (most don't mind, of course, unless you smell or don't behave). Suggesting the woman to ask the man getting up so that she can stand instead or choose another seat is ... I don't know what to say. --LPfi (talk) 16:38, 31 July 2020 (UTC)

Queen CreekEdit

Hey SelfieCity, thanks for redirecting Queen Creek to Greater Phoenix. I just wanted to let you know that I'm working on a userspace draft for a Queen Creek article, and once that is complete, I will remove the redirect and replace it with a full-fledged article. Please let me know if you have any questions, comments, and/or concerns. Thanks! --Prahlad balaji (talk) 23:12, 13 August 2020 (UTC)

OK! Thanks for letting me know. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 10:38, 14 August 2020 (UTC)

Welcome backEdit

It's been a while since we last saw you, so welcome back to Wikivoyage. The dog2 (talk) 17:23, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

@The dog2: Thanks! Good to be back here again. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 17:25, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
Yeah, I second that, good to see you around dude. Ibaman (talk) 17:53, 8 November 2020 (UTC)
Yes indeed. Glad to see you here.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 19:06, 8 November 2020 (UTC)

New Smyrna Beach bannersEdit

Hey SelfieCity! I notice you've been less active on Wikivoyage lately, but I want to draw your attention to Wikivoyage:Destination of the month candidates/Banners#New Smyrna Beach in case you have any input. —Granger (talk · contribs) 11:11, 21 November 2020 (UTC)

Happy New YearEdit

Hi there dude! Good to see your name on the Recent Changes list. Hope you're doing fine and ready for another year of travel guide adminship. Best vibes from South America! --Ibaman (talk) 14:13, 1 January 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, and I'm definitely ready for another year of adminship and contributing! Last year was quite something but hopefully I'll be able to contribute more regularly again this year. Good to see that everyone is still here! --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 14:16, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
as of last week, we've started historical pieces on Medieval Europe and Byzantine Empire, and I've been busy tweaking Brazilian cuisine, you might want to check these out, your tweaks are welcome as always. --Ibaman (talk) 14:32, 1 January 2021 (UTC)
Great! I'll certainly enjoy reading those. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 14:32, 1 January 2021 (UTC)


Hi, can you have a look at this person contributions as they seem to be mass-creating/editing pages with the same content. Thanks https://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Special:Contributions/DaveTheBarbarian2 Nintendofan885 (talk) 17:26, 2 January 2021 (UTC)

@Nintendofan885: Thanks for letting me know, and sorry I didn't see this before. Most of the edits have been reverted and a few more will be removed in due course. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 17:46, 2 January 2021 (UTC)
No problem, thanks --Nintendofan885 (talk) 17:48, 2 January 2021 (UTC)


Thanks for the new banner for Western Ethiopia. Excellent work. Nurg (talk) 08:26, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Sure thing! I enjoyed finding pagebanners for Ethiopia articles, though some were easier than others. I've started on Egypt now. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 22:35, 11 January 2021 (UTC)

Delete speedy deletion candidatesEdit

Hi, can you delete the pages in Category:Speedy deletion candidates thank you --Nintendofan885 (talk) 16:35, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

  Done --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 16:58, 24 January 2021 (UTC)

Partial bans?Edit

Hi SelfieCity, I saw your comments on Talk:Brussels/International_District#Should we include screaming warning boxes about racism? where you said that the problem could be solved "if it's just for the attention of getting these Brussels districts done". Just wanted to tell you that some time ago I had a discussion with an admin on another wiki who suggested (I think, not sure) that users can be partially blocked only from certain pages. I am not an admin so might have misunderstood, but if I did understand correctly, would banning AC from Brussels/International_District be a solution? Hope I am not wasting your time, Ottawahitech (talk) 18:08, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

It would not be a solution, as the same type of content could be inserted anywhere. The question is whether we trust the user at all, whether we can ignore him evading blocks and thus showing disrespect for community decissions, and whether we want him here at all after what he did (see the quotes I pointed out as answer to your question at the pub). –LPfi (talk) 06:52, 28 March 2021 (UTC)
Ottawahitech, sorry for the late response. The user in question is already banned, but it’s correct that partial blocks are possible (and have been used). However they’re rarely the best option as most malicious users are best not using the website. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 12:59, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Welcome back!Edit

It's good to see you again. Hope you had a refreshing break. Gizza (roam) 23:15, 31 May 2021 (UTC)

I'm glad to see you back, too. It's good to have you around. Ground Zero (talk) 23:32, 31 May 2021 (UTC)
Thanks, I had a busy time of year. I should be around more again now. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 19:04, 1 June 2021 (UTC)


Ikotun is a metropolitan City in alimosho Local government Area(LGA) Of Lagos State.

OK! Maybe a good idea to keep it as a city article then. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 21:26, 2 June 2021 (UTC)
@Favourdare123:, also don't forget to sign your comments like this (~~~~). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 03:26, 11 June 2021 (UTC)

Nale MathathoEdit

Just so you know, SHB2000 did some investigation and found that this user account was created for the purpose of block evasion. Accordingly, I have extended the block to indefinite. The dog2 (talk) 22:06, 10 June 2021 (UTC)

Have a look at c:Commons:Administrators' noticeboard/User problems#Naledi Mathatho, THE GIRL MOLLY, and Mollytheone for some history on commons and I'm sure you've seen User talk:Ikan Kekek#I had my suspicions... by now. This user has vandalised my talk page as well on commons [1]. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 22:09, 10 June 2021 (UTC)
I’m sure we’ve had him under a very similar name recently, but anyway his way of writing looked familiar. I will review the links. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 02:01, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for keeping up to date on this situation. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 02:04, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
I'm not keeping up with this user on MediaWiki, but I trust an admin on MW has got that handled. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 03:21, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
And vandalism on my commons talk page ... again. [2] SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 12:51, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
Wow. Is this the same as the one who sends out emails? I got two a couple months ago but never bothered to open them. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 12:56, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
No, that's GRP/Ljupco, a vandal and globally banned user who has been stalking, intimidating and harassing user:Antandrus since 2005 (16 years now). He attacks specifically him on dozens of WMF projects, but not on the English Wikipedia, since he's an admin there, and ever since I nominated him for admin here, he's sort of ceased harassing most editors here (except me, as I nominated him for adminship). You could have a little look at the history for my talk page, userpage, slang archive pages, hence, it's been protected for about two months now, and every now and then, he still attacks some editors here. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 13:08, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
Also, I've been emailed by Ljupco/GRP about 45 times now, on an email that I no longer use. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 13:09, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
Yeah, I’ve kept up to date with admin nominations and I’ve had to deal with the user before on another wiki, so he’s familiar. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 13:42, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
Yeah, he attacks me cross wiki as well. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 13:44, 11 June 2021 (UTC)
Also, all five of Naledi Mathatho's accounts have been locked now. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 01:18, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Hi there, could you block the User: IP range? These are the IP range used by this user. (see the info on commons). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 00:14, 14 June 2021 (UTC)

Like this? I've never blocked an IP range before, so I'm assuming it's the same as how an IP address or account is normally blocked. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 00:21, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
I think so. I've never blocked an IP range before, but I think that's how you block the IP range. There's also a request on meta to globally block this range, so hopefully she keeps out. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 00:56, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
Yes, thanks for letting me know about this, and hopefully it works. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 00:57, 14 June 2021 (UTC)
A /17 range is 32,000 IPv4 addresses. One should be in real trouble to block such a range even for a short while. –LPfi (talk) 06:48, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
This was the range blocked on commons, and is what's proposed for a global block. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 08:19, 15 June 2021 (UTC)
And the fact that she's been using these IP adresses for about a year now. Also, do we have any editors that are from Johannesberg that would need an IP block exempt? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 08:24, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for the updateEdit

A thank to you and SHB2000 for the updates on Wikivoyage:Nordic countries Expedition! They got me to fix some low hanging fruits, including a few that just needed checking and promoting. There are still a few I'd want to promote, but with info on the net scarce and perhaps outdated. –LPfi (talk) 18:29, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for appreciating the updates! Articles about the Nordic countries are definitely making a lot of progress. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 18:30, 20 June 2021 (UTC)
:) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 23:00, 20 June 2021 (UTC)

An award for you!Edit

  Nigerian café Barncompass
For helping set up the café, and assisting users about how Wikivoyage works. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 01:34, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
Thanks. It was a pleasure to help out! --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 01:54, 29 June 2021 (UTC)
:) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 01:58, 29 June 2021 (UTC)

Edit conflictsEdit

Sorry, just helping out. Highjumpermsu (talk) 18:49, 8 July 2021 (UTC)

@Highjumpermsu: Yeah, don't worry about it! It's a common occurrence on wiki. I like what you're doing, but if adding listings for a park (as there aren't many things to do in this town), probably go with the larger ones, as this one appears to be a city park. In this case it's okay because there aren't many things to do in Zephyrhills, but in articles about places where there are many things to do, we don't include city parks. (Ones with major features such as a sports facility would be an exception.) --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 18:53, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
Okay, Thank you for understanding. Highjumpermsu (talk) 18:58, 8 July 2021 (UTC)
@Highjumpermsu: I would recommend enabling the edit conflict beta feature which can be found in Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-betafeatures. It's the very bottom one, and it doesn't require much to install it. Just a click SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:04, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
✔ done. Highjumpermsu (talk) 15:11, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

IP block exemptionEdit

Swept in from the pub

This is probably the worst place to ask this, but I'm a little out of luck.

While editing categories for a pagebanner to Plant City I was informed that I was part of a locked IP range. The issue is present on Commons, Wikidata, and Meta Wiki, and I can't even post to my user talk page or email a user. What does one do about this? How do I get an IP range exemption? --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 17:11, 9 July 2021 (UTC)

I think the best way to do this is to email stewards@wikimedia.org (see the Meta page on global IP block exemptions). If there is a better way someone knows, please let us know. Antandrus (talk) 17:18, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
meta:SRGP or just ask a steward over IRC/Discord. Leaderboard (talk) 18:04, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
Thanks Leaderboard, I have applied at meta:SRGP. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 18:26, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
Users with the status of patroller, admin, template editor and so forth shouldn't ever be subject to IP blocks while logged in. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:38, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
Makes sense. I have that status here, of course, and maybe patroller or some equivalent status Wikiversity, since I've been able to edit there since June 26, and I use CropTool to create new files at Commons, but I can't otherwise edit there. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 20:41, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
@Ikan Kekek: Actually only admins and those with local IPBE (which admins can assign to anyone). See Special:ListGroupRights. Leaderboard (talk) 20:43, 9 July 2021 (UTC)
I have this issue where my neighbour's immature teenagers vandalise Wikipedia on all of the surrounding wifi connections available. My other neighbour who was a former WP editor was also affected, but I haven't been bothered to ask since I have retired from WP now. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:22, 10 July 2021 (UTC)
@SHB2000, Leaderboard: I forgot about posting in this thread, and sorry I did not respond to you guys. Thanks for your help! As it turned out, the "problem" resolved by itself, so the IP block must have been removed, or even been temporary. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 20:55, 11 August 2021 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── @Antandrus: This problem has started again. The block ID is is #415992 and the range is I emailed the stewards six days ago, but I don't know how long I should expect. If there's a way to reduce this IP range (as I may not be the only one affected), it would be appreciated. Alternatively, an exemption on Commons and WD would work since editing Wikivoyage pagebanners on these sites is currently not possible. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 18:06, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

Try asking here. I think that is supposed to be one of the more efficient ways (especially if you're not getting email response). Antandrus (talk) 18:15, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
I would but, unfortunately, I cannot edit that page due to the block. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 18:16, 21 August 2021 (UTC)
Global IP blocks don't affect meta, and this is deliberate. But try contacting a steward through IRC or Discord (@Leaderboard: don't use either of those, so you you have those links?). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:08, 22 August 2021 (UTC)
@SHB2000: Oddly the problem is intermittent. It is once again OK right now but within a few days, who knows. It's embarrassing to contact stewards and then the problem disappears. I intend to keep track in case the problem resumes again. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 23:52, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
You might instead want to get a 6 month exception which might convince stewards to give it to you. But if you want, I can file a request for you. (half the stewards probably know me since I'm fairly active on meta). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:59, 23 August 2021 (UTC)
Sure, though right now I'd prefer to wait until the block starts again. I raised the request a while ago only to find the block had disappeared. I'd prefer not to backlog the requests unless necessary. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 00:05, 24 August 2021 (UTC)
Because it rather mainly affects commons and wikidata, you should try get IPBE on those two wikis. Wikiversity won't be a bad idea as well. If you're still on the 'pedia, you could also get IPBE there as well. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:46, 24 August 2021 (UTC)

Jabolero as an autopatrollerEdit

I'm a little doubtful about making him an autopatroller. Do you see any replies from him on his user talk page? I think he's User:Josh Rayver with at least his third username after User:Mayon V, unless I'm forgetting a fourth username. Sure, this user's edits have improved quite a bit since those days, but I'm not prepared to trust him at this point. I could be wrong. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:14, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Okay, I was not aware of this history. I can remove autopatroller status. Talk page discussion seemed okay. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 21:21, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
Done --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 21:25, 12 July 2021 (UTC)
Thanks. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:43, 12 July 2021 (UTC)

Passing throughEdit

Could you please clarify your sentence "Highways that pass near or directly through (such as most U.S. routes) offer more opportunity to avoid too much time behind the wheel." Through the rest stops? I suppose you mean through something else. –LPfi (talk) 07:52, 15 July 2021 (UTC)

I think it means just passing through marked US routes. (so not county routes or just rural roads). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:55, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
No, LPfi Is right. I missed a couple crucial words there. I have updated it to make more sense now. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 10:46, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
Thanks mate :) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:55, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
Thanks. –LPfi (talk) 18:39, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
I still wonder. Passing through a city is usually slower than using a bypass, which means more time behind the wheel, but also opportunities to do more interesting things than having a coffee at a truck stop. Sometimes it makes sense to take the fastest route, sometimes spending more time to avoid feeling the time before reaching a destination is wasted makes more sense. Cf the boaters: with a speedboat you will soon be at your destination, with a sailboat you are there as soon as you have left the mooring. There are better places for this discussion, so it should be kept short in this article, but a few sentences and a link may be warranted. –LPfi (talk) 18:50, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
I think it could do with some more explanation and sections though, because these are the subtleties that most likely need to be explained. For a start not all towns here have a bypass, particularly in the rural West. And in some places the U.S. routes are slow and the scenery ugly, cheap 1950s motels along former major routes, etc. Maybe within the article types would be a place to start, so stay healthy sections in Trains, Driving, Cycling, etc. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 19:18, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
I know there is some discussion on slow travel somewhere, but I didn't find it. There should be some in Tips for road trips, although I don't find any section on route planning there. There could be some more discussion in Travel basics and Transportation. I tried to expand the Physical fitness#On the road passage on driving a little. –LPfi (talk) 19:44, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
One problem is the current skew toward traveling by car, while the topic is far broader than that. It feels that this should be a general article with summaries and links to more specific travel information. Some information about fitness once you reach the destination would be helpful as well. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 20:08, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
Yes. I suppose all discussion on what spots are suitable for rest, and how to find them, should be moved to Tips for road trips. –LPfi (talk) 06:19, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
@LPfi:, I also thought the same until 2 weeks back where a bypass only lets you go like 80km/h (despite being a 100km/h road) but going through the town lets you go 100 or 110km/h. So while going through a town is almost always slower, sometimes, bypasses are slower as well. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 21:56, 15 July 2021 (UTC)
I don't think that happens in European cities. Getting through the centre is usually difficult and time consuming. For smaller towns going through the centre may be nice and not taking significant time, but congested bypasses is a problem only by the big cities. –LPfi (talk) 06:23, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
This really isn't the case anywhere, except if the road quality of the bypass is very poor, and poorly maintained and the road quality of the route going through the town is good. It's particularly prominent in alpine areas on non-highways but just small rural roads. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:32, 16 July 2021 (UTC)

Fax numbersEdit

Are fax machines really popular in Ogun State? And do a lot of travellers use fax machines? It doesn't seem to me to be worth adding in blank fax number spaces into listings that don't have fax numbers. It is extremely unlikely that anyone will ever add these numbers -- if these places even have fax machines -- and they add clutter to the edit screen. Ground Zero (talk) 19:50, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

I'm using (and testing) AutoWikiBrowser. Thanks for bringing up this issue as while I had been reviewing the changes it made, I didn't realize it was causing this to happen. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 19:51, 20 July 2021 (UTC)

30000th edit!Edit

A few edits early... but happy 30000th edit :) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:51, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Thanks! I knew I was getting there. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 11:59, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
I like it when I literally can see how much edits each person has with this tool: Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-gadgets (the Navigation popups tool). possibly the second best gadget I could've asked for. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:02, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
Indeed. I just added it in preferences as I didn't know it did those things as well. Normally I use XTools but this is faster. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 12:03, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
It's particularly useful for vandal patrol but has a lot of other purpose as well (like a quick link to block an editor). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:07, 26 July 2021 (UTC)
Yeah, and I also like that it gives byte count and last edit, which is useful for finding out an article's length and whether it has been edited recently, respectively. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 12:14, 26 July 2021 (UTC)

Attribution on the bottom of Wikivoyage articlesEdit

Do you know what happened to them. I noticed that the footer doesn't list the users anymore? Any reason to this? Here's what it shows:

This article is partly based on Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike 3.0 Licensed work from other websites. Details of contributors can be found in the article history. Text is available under the Creative Commons Attribution-ShareAlike License; additional terms may apply. By using this site, you agree to the Terms of Use and Privacy Policy.

--SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:08, 5 August 2021 (UTC)

I see what you mean. I don’t like that at all because it was useful way of knowing who just edited an article, and it was a form of attribution. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 11:21, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
I always hated how on Wikipedia you'd have to go and click the view history button and then search for all of it, but oh well, time to say goodbye to that on Wikivoyage as well :( SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:46, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
I think we should have been told, if the change was done by the WMF. Does WhatamIdoing happen to know, or know how to find out? –LPfi (talk) 15:11, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
I'm not sure which piece you're talking about. There above quotation is two messages that appear at the end of each article, both of which we re-written here years ago. Having the messages re-written here would preclude any central/software changes, since a local copy, no matter how old, always overrides the central one. The first half is MediaWiki:Creditssource-credits. The second is MediaWiki:Wikimedia-copyright. (These have to be written in HTML, not wikitext, and the "$1" bits are computing variables, so the software can fill in the correct license number, name, etc.)
The list of most recent editors is still named on the mobile site at MediaWiki:Mobile-frontend-last-modified-with-user-months. WhatamIdoing (talk) 15:55, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
How it previously appeared. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 17:28, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
And in addition to who was the last editor of the article, the previous version of the footer also stated on what day it was last edited. --Ypsilon (talk) 17:41, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
This didn't change years ago. It changed only days ago. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:28, 5 August 2021 (UTC)
For me, on desktop, there was nothing below the categories, now the copyright notice is back, but not the attribution. Both MediaWiki:Creditssource-credits and MediaWiki:Wikimedia-copyright are non-empty and neither has been changed since 2014. The former credits only "other websites" with no variables. An article I happen to have open from before the change, Kalajoki, ends with
"This travel guide page was last edited at 06:58, on 4 August 2021 by Wikivoyage user LPfi. Based on work by Wikivoyage users Vkem, Xepheid, Wrh2Bot, ThunderingTyphoons!, Traveler100, Traveler100bot, Zcarstvnz, Jukeboksi and Wrh2 and others." and the copyright text. None of this is shown in articles I now open. The change must have taken effect at the earliest on the 4th, as seen in the last change date.
LPfi (talk) 05:52, 6 August 2021 (UTC)
@WhatamIdoing:. I still don't see the summary of latest and most prominent contributors, which was very nice. There might of course have been issues with the algorithm, but, as I said, this is something we should have been heard about. Now I do see the text from MediaWiki:Creditssource-credits, but this is not what was shown before. –LPfi (talk) 08:15, 12 August 2021 (UTC)
I have no idea what's going on with it, and I haven't been able to find anyone who changed it. WhatamIdoing (talk) 19:03, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
While we might not know why it's doing this, does anyone know how to change this back? --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 19:42, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
I suppose some setting was changed, causing the Creditssource-credits to be shown instead of whatever was there from before. Either somebody here did the change – which should have been noticed by a patroller following also this page – or there was a setting change by developers. In the latter scenario it might have been a side effect of something else, or simple carelessness. One could search for the string "Based on work by [project] users" in MediaWiki and try to wind it up from there. Does somebody know enough for this not to be a big job? For me it'd probably take hours. –LPfi (talk) 06:55, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
Possibly the latter. If it were the first, it would've been noticed here, or have been picked up by us SWViewer patrollers. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:22, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
The text "Based on work by" is in MediaWiki:Othercontribs (and currently nothing else). WhatamIdoing (talk) 16:25, 18 August 2021 (UTC)


Since you're the only one I know here who tests gadgets here (apart from myself), you might find m:MoreMenu quite useful. Just a suggestion. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:45, 7 August 2021 (UTC)

OK, I've done it. Do I need to do any hard refresh? --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 20:13, 7 August 2021 (UTC)
Nah, you'll see the difference in your top right corner of your screen. Particularly useful for copyvio checks. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:58, 8 August 2021 (UTC)
Yeah, I see it now. Thanks for the suggestion. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 01:00, 8 August 2021 (UTC)

Help with dynamic mapsEdit

For some reason the prefectures of Nagano and Niigata are not highlighted on the Chubu map can you fix it, Thank you! Tai123.123 (talk) 17:47, 13 August 2021 (UTC)

@Tai123.123: I've had the same problem at User:SelfieCity/Regions article status in which the "mapshapes" are disappearing. I don't know what causes this problem, but Matroc might have an idea so I've notified accordingly. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 17:53, 13 August 2021 (UTC)
It might be something with Wikidata. Maybe does @Omondi: know? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:34, 14 August 2021 (UTC)

"Somebody needs to make the translation"Edit

I saw your edit comment "c/e, someone else needs to do the translation" at Functionalist architecture in Finland. I did not quite understand: are there bad translations in the article, which need fixing? Generally, information on most things in Finland is available in English, including terms like the one edited. I suppose I could do the searching for such terms, if you think there is a need for that – but I suppose Ypsilon did when writing the article. –LPfi (talk) 05:27, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

@LPfi:I was referring to the phrase in Finnish in parentheses, that’s all. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 10:17, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
"Valtakunnallisesti merkittävä rakennettu kulttuuriympäristö" means "Nationally Remarkable Built-up Cultural Environment" as stated in the article. I translated it literally as there doesn't seem to be an official English word for it. It's the same concept as the National Register of Historic Places in the U.S. --Ypsilon (talk) 12:24, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
Okay, so should we change it to plural form as well? --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 13:13, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
Yeah, we could do it, as the English text now is in plural. --Ypsilon (talk) 13:44, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
I thought about it but decided to leave it as-is. The term is more likely to be seen in singular, and thus that form is more useful. –LPfi (talk) 18:39, 15 August 2021 (UTC)
That's true, and it was a bit of a difficult decision but having it in singular in one language and plural in another was a bit of an eyesore to me... Ypsilon (talk) 19:06, 15 August 2021 (UTC)

LibMod slavery accountsEdit

FYI: I've reported them both at m:Special:PermaLink/21919785#Pro-Slavery Libertarian Moderate and m:Special:PermaLink/21919785#Slavery Advocate. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:08, 22 August 2021 (UTC)


Hi SelfieCity, when you get a moment I just have a couple questions regarding Aba and Aba (China). I use Wikivoyage data in a database, indexed by the Wikivoyage page ID. I was looking at some China locations when I noticed that one China location claimed that it was in fact in Nigeria. Digging a bit deeper, it seems that Aba, the city in China, had been changed by an editor to a city of the same name in Nigeria. Then, it looks like you repaired things by creating a new page for the city in China. So, the Nigerian city acquired the Chinese city's page ID, while the Chinese city scored a new page ID. This absolutely fine for readers of Wikivoyage, but obviously complicates things a bit for dumb computers and databases (although this is not a complaint at all!). It essentially replicated what is known on Wikipedia as a copy-paste move. I'm wondering, are copy-paste-type moves somewhat regular on Wikivoyage? I assume they would not be expected to occur on popular articles such as London. But is it a common procedure for overlooked pages like Aba? Or is this more of an exceptional case? Thanks for your help. Brycehughes (talk) 23:36, 4 September 2021 (UTC)

Normally, we don't do copy and paste moves. This was an exceptional case as it took place during our Nigeria Expedition as many editors had just begun editing and it was hard for the community to keep up with their rate of contributions. As the copy and paste move had already been done, I didn't want to further complicate matter and therefore worked the best I could with the existing page structure. Do you know a way the information could be restructured as to avoid the issues you've mentioned? Unfortunately, an IP range block has severely impacted my ability to edit Wikidata lately. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 23:43, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
All good, thanks for that. Re your question, if you're asking about keeping things sane in terms of the mediawiki software/structure, I think the answer is no... the Wikivoyage page ID needs to move with the content, although Wikidata (with its separate ID) can be manually detached and re-attached to the correct page. If you're kindly asking about my end, I'm sure I can figure something out. In fact my question here was just for me to figure how high of a priority I should make it. (Something like if previous page data has changed by x% take y action, whatever.) Anyway, thanks again for your help, really useful. Brycehughes (talk) 00:00, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
Re the IP range block, try asking @DannyS712: who is a sysop here as well as on Wikidata who may be able to give you IPBE on WD. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:03, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
Oh, I should mention you can apply for a Wikimedia IP block exemption, if that's a problem you're having. Ping me if you need more info. Brycehughes (talk) 00:01, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
They could, but stewards only really give it to people that have to edit with an open proxy because of restricted access to Wikipedia. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:04, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
SelfieCity has also applied before at m:SRGP, but was rejected. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:05, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
Weird. They've been really understanding with me. I apply for one every year and have never been denied. Brycehughes (talk) 00:11, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
Since you're a sysop here, I'd say you can be trusted with IPBE on wikidata - would you mind making a request there, if you have talk page access? You can ping me in the request and I'll grant it - how long do you need? A month? A year? If you don't have talk page access, just let me know here (with a ping please). DannyS712 (talk) 00:12, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
I'll just note (and then I'll stop talk page stalking) that there are two block exemptions you typically need. One is the umbrella block through WMF. The other is for the site you are trying to edit (e.g. Wikpedia, Wikidata, etc.). So if you are granted a block exemption on Wikidata, you will also likely need a block exemption from WMF. (I first encountered this problem when I was trying to edit Wikipedia from Turkey a couple years ago, so my approach has been to apply for both exemptions each year when they expire.) Good luck! Brycehughes (talk) 00:25, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
Ah no, not that way. The reason why you probably couldn't edit Wikipedia is because Wikipedia blocks those IPs locally, on top of the global block. But GIPBE doesn't give immunity for local blocks. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:30, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
The reason why I couldn't edit Wikipedia is because I had to use a VPN to edit from Turkey, which at that time at least blocked Wikipedia. Meanwhile, WMF and Wikipedia blocked the IP range of Digital Ocean, which is where I keep my VPN server. Having WMF or Wikipedia unblock me was insufficient, I needed both. And regardless, if someone is IP-blocked from editing, the block range often overlaps both the WMF and the sub-site ranges. Brycehughes (talk) 00:38, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
I think this block prevents talk page access, so someone else will have to make the request for me. Thanks for the help! --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 01:02, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
@DannyS712: I think the issue is on one device on mine but the other. I can check tomorrow morning on my main device and let you know if I need the exemption. Thank you. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 01:04, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
@DannyS712: Indeed, IP range is blocked on my main device. Could you please place the block exemption for me? The device which works is a mobile device and typing longer messages is difficult and impractical. Thanks. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 19:51, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
@SelfieCity sure - do you have talk page access revoked? If not, please post on wikidata (and ping me) so that I can refer to your request there instead of here. And how long do you need it for? DannyS712 (talk) 20:04, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
@DannyS712: I just checked again, and it is revoked on talk pages as well. If the one-year period is not an inconvenience, I would request it. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 20:09, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
done --DannyS712 (talk) 20:42, 5 September 2021 (UTC)
Thanks DannyS712. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 20:46, 5 September 2021 (UTC)

IP blockEdit

Can you still edit commons or is that IP range blocking you there as well? If so, I can ask a commons admin if you're getting caught up with it. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:19, 7 September 2021 (UTC)

Yes, it is blocking me there as well. The edits I have done there are on an iPad. Oddly enough I can still use CropTool to create a pagebanner, but once created, I can't edit it. Any help would be much appreciated. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 10:45, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
Given that there is no proper place to ask there and the only way you can get it is through an unblock request, but since the IP range block has no TPA, I'll ping @King of Hearts:, @Jianhui67:, @4nn1l2: or @rubin16: who may be able to help. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:57, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
Thanks SHB for the help. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 11:05, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
  Done 4nn1l2 (talk) 11:09, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
Thank you! --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 11:22, 8 September 2021 (UTC)

Updating the OtBPEdit

Hi SC! Thanks for updating the Off the Beaten Path destination. A few hours ago I noticed the OtBP hadn't been updated, and thought about doing it myself, then I noticed it was Diablo Range that was about to go on the main page, and held back because I figured you would like to do it as you've worked extensively on the article and nominated it. --Ypsilon (talk) 15:10, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, I forgot until an hour ago. Now I'm uploading some FTT banners for Arriving in a new city, and I've just realized it's an FTT, and not an OTBP. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 15:14, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

2 destinations of the monthEdit

@SelfieCity For some reason both Ljubljana and Diablo range are marked as Dotm, I think Diablo Range was meant to be Off the beating path and should be changed Tai123.123 (talk) 18:19, 11 September 2021 (UTC)

Thanks for bringing this to our attention. I have corrected my mistake. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 18:22, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
You're welcome! Tai123.123 (talk) 19:47, 11 September 2021 (UTC)