Talk:Literary travel

VFD Discussion

• Delete. another stub travel topic going nowhere. Difficult to see how this can every be more than a list of books - there are so many literary paths to follow, many of which may make good itineraries - but is there something separate to literary tourism that we can explore here? If this one gets discovered by the walking tour brigade, they will have a field day. --(WT-en) inas 20:14, 10 June 2010 (EDT)

• Delete If we had enough literary guides, an index could be useful, but I don't think we have any and trying to make this page itself an itinerary is impossible. It's just too broad. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 00:40, 11 June 2010 (EDT)

• Keep In a recent discussion, I was warranted that we effectively don't delete any minimally useful travel topics at all, especially if there's an active contributor patrolling new contributors. But we do? --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 03:37, 11 June 2010 (EDT)

There was discussion and a recent policy change on deletion specific to itineraries here [1]. As far as "active contributor patrolling new contributors", I think it's safe to say we've given the creator of this article plenty of time to develop it. It's been over 2 years and the only change that has been made to the article was a capitalization update, so I don't think anyone is being bullied by deleting this. Also, it's extremely broad. If someone created a Little House on the Prairie itinerary, I could envision it becoming something. There are many sites related to the books and author however, "literary travel" as a single topic includes every book ever written, which cannot possibly make a sensible itinerary. (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 04:32, 11 June 2010 (EDT)

(WT-en) DenisYurkin - are you arguing there is some policy reason to keep this? I don't see that in the discussion you pointed to. If you think the article can be usefully expanded, then explain why, and we can keep it. If it can't be usefully expanded it should go. --(WT-en) inas 23:56, 11 June 2010 (EDT)

Not a policy, but a status-quo described under the link which I read as "we are very conservative in deleting travel topics":

There have been very few travel topics (or other articles) deleted - even the ones that are obviously complete and absolute rubbish we debate endlessly in vfd. If there has been a travel topic deleted that someone expressed an interest in curating, I must have missed it.

I believe that much more books exist that each makes it an interesting undertaking to travel on its key places mentioned. And listing such things is absolutely valid "alternative way of seeing travel". --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 15:59, 13 June 2010 (EDT)

I'm not sure there is much to say about this in terms of subtopics, like "how to prepare for literary travel", but if we keep this, I think we should give it a little more structure than those random examples that we don't even have articles about. I agree that it's a valid type of travel, but what do we have to put there? Looking through our itineraries, Literary London and maybe Narrow Road to the Deep North would be valid entries. We could probably add Momotaro if folktales count as literary travel... What do we think we want from this article? Where do you see it going? (WT-en) ChubbyWimbus 18:15, 13 June 2010 (EDT)

Even merely listing books which are worth creating itineraries would be a value-adding article. Per se it can give an idea on where to go next--there is some percentage of trips that start as a result of reading a good book with action taking place in the region (i.e. sometimes a book come first, and a region comes from that, not only vice versa). And of course it should link to all existing literary-centric itineraries like those you mentioned. Do we really need general sections like "how to prepare" for the article to become worth keeping? --(WT-en) DenisYurkin 16:37, 5 July 2010 (EDT)

On the trail of Marco Polo is based on a book. Are there others? I'd imagine Dracula is a tourist draw in Transylvania. (WT-en) Pashley 08:31, 29 August 2010 (EDT)

There is currently no consensus to keep this article. Any further comment would be appreciated. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 14:30, 4 September 2010 (EDT)

• Weak keep. We seem to have come to a decision to not apply the "outline for a year" criteria to travel topics (although I'm not exactly sure why—maybe we should revisit this). This article has not developed despite having been around for quite some time, and it doesn't seem that anyone has a clear idea of how it could in a productive manner. I'd lean delete, but I cannot see a deletion rationale per current policy. --(WT-en) Peter ^Talk 16:34, 4 September 2010 (EDT)

I've continued the discussion at Project:Deletion policy#Travel_topics. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 17:03, 4 September 2010 (EDT)

Result: Kept. Template:Outlinetopic has been added indicating that if it isn't edited within one year then it will be deleted. -- (WT-en) Ryan • (talk) • 18:11, 11 September 2010 (EDT)

Further comments

Well, I'm glad y'all didn't delete it; I think this is a rich topic, and I've done my best to get this on its way to being a legit topic article. If I get good enough at this wiki thing (I'm still figuring it out), I might spin the Paris stuff off into its own page. Wyote (talk) 04:39, 15 February 2015 (UTC)

What's with all the music?

This is about travelling to discover literature, but there are a lot of musicians and composers listed here too. Nashville, Mozart, the Beatles, surely they don't belong here? Is there anywhere better the information might be listed? (I notice the Music article is looking rather sparse, but it seems to be doing a reasonably good job at pointing travellers in the right direction towards more manageable, specific topics.) If not, it would be as well to start deleting. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 17:27, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

I think deletion is not a good option, we might wish to move it to its own article, or redesign the "music" article accordingly. My best guess is that some were placed here when no other place to place them existed and it perpetuated itself accordingly. Hobbitschuster (talk) 18:23, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

Personally, I'm not that interested in working on a music article, but don't really want this music stuff to clutter up this page for much longer. I would be happy to volunteer my own sandbox to store the information, if nobody came forward willing to put it somewhere useful. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 18:43, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

Ikan is our resident music expert, I am sure he'll be able to find some workable solution. I am right now a bit at a loss. Hobbitschuster (talk) 18:47, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

Music is a huge subject, and we risk overlapping with articles like European classical music, but for now, as I don't feel inspired to try to encompass such a vast subject in an article I take the lead in designing, I would suggest moving all content about music to an article with a title like Musical travel. The problem with that title, though, is that some readers might think it's directed at touring musicians. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:24, 30 November 2016 (UTC)

I don't think of music as a form of literature and agree we should move that content to one or several music articles. Maybe we need an article for Popular music? ϒpsilon (talk) 07:27, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

It's surprising that we don't already have one, though we do have Music festival circuit. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:57, 1 December 2016 (UTC)

Merge with fiction tourism?

As much of this material can fit within with fiction tourism, we should consider a merger. What do you think? /Yvwv (talk) 16:07, 24 March 2017 (UTC)

I absolutely agree. I feel like this is the handsomer page, so maybe we can just start moving things from there to here. Also, it looks like children have been conceived and born between your suggestion and my response, so if no one objects within a reasonable amount of time, maybe this is a situation we can just take into our own hands. Wyote (talk) 09:43, 12 December 2017 (UTC)

Support 21:52, 23 July 2018 (UTC) —The preceding comment was added by Pashley (talk • contribs)

I disagree. Fiction tourism is much broader, and the fact that this has clearly attracted more edits means it is a viable travel topic. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 23:25, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

I see no need to merge these. Not all literature is fiction (for instance, the Trojan War and the Exodus of Moses are at least partially historical) and not all fiction is literature (as it may be published in any medium, including cinema and video). K7L (talk) 23:47, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

• Oppose per others. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:09, 24 July 2018 (UTC)