Talk:Monticello (Mississippi)

Guide Status

I think I have added enough information and content to declare this article a guide. In order to prevent any future edit war over this decision, I am stating my intention here and requesting any feedback that people have. I intend to promote this article to guide 1 week after making this comment if I do not receive feedback (at which point I will note in this discussion that I promoted the article). TimMagee (talk) 01:50, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

Oppose There are zero sleep listings. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 02:07, 2 November 2022 (UTC)

I have replaced part of my paragraph of text about places to sleep with listings for the hotels in Monticello. TimMagee (talk) 05:58, 4 November 2022 (UTC)

Given that I have added sleep listings and I have received no other objections, I am now upgrading this article to Guide status. TimMagee (talk) 19:39, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

It seems to fulfil the formal criteria, but I think it wouldn't pass a nomination for destination of the month (or for OtBP), which should in theory have the same requirements. Are the See and Do listing the main attractions or are there any missing? What about web sites and phone numbers? They are there only for some of the listings. What about the camping opportunities in Atwood Water Park? Shouldn't they be listed (or mentioned, if kept in a park listing) in Sleep? Can the boat ramp be used for getting in? Can you hire boats for tours on the river? –LPfi (talk) 21:12, 8 November 2022 (UTC)

Monticello is a fairly small town and doesn't have a ton of "things to do". I have basically listed all of them. There are few websites listed because many places in Monticello lack websites. I can add a proper listing for Atwood Water park. I feel like it could be in "See", "Do", or "Sleep". I don't currently have a listing for it because there is already a listing for "Atwood Music Festival" which takes place in Atwood Water Park. I can track down phone numbers for the rest of the listings though it will take me a few days to verify everything.

The boat ramp is for putting a personal boat into the river. Boat tours of the river are not regularly offered by any company or individual.

The camping opportunities in Atwood Water Park are already mentioned at the top of "Sleep". TimMagee (talk) 01:25, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

OK. Sorry for missing the mentioning in Sleep. Some more phone numbers would be very nice to have. In such a small place, I don't think it is a problem to mention the same place in two sections, even to have a second proper listing if there is good reason. Thanks for your work. SHB2000, what do you think about the article now? Do you have some advice to improve it? –LPfi (talk) 08:00, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

Both sleep listings lack urls, there's no description for Liberty Inn, and no basic contact info (apart from address) for the other (Pleasure Point Inn & Suites). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 08:35, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

If the motels lack a web presence, there is little we can do about it. I hope the phone number and descriptions can be added. –LPfi (talk) 14:23, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

I have now added a listing for Atwood Water Park (in the Do section) as well as more information (such as phone numbers) for many of the other listings. TimMagee (talk) 18:32, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

Are there any more comments, suggestions, or critiques that must be addressed before I upgrade the article? Also, thank you to everybody who has given me input on this article. This is my first foray into WikiVoyage editing and it has been a great experience. TimMagee (talk) 20:02, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Public transportation

Get in says that there is "no public transportation" to Monticello "as the passenger train depot closed". But that doesn't rule out buses – aren't there any? (Is that typical for Missisippi or the US in general?) –LPfi (talk) 12:19, 27 November 2022 (UTC)

I don't have a specific answer to this, but all I have to say is public transit in the US sucks and many towns don't have them – I wouldn't be surprised if Monticello didn't have bus services. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 06:40, 28 November 2022 (UTC)

There are no buses in Monticello Mississippi (or much of rural USA). TimMagee (talk) 19:01, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

What about the Greyhounds? I understand that the coach network isn't as dense as in some other countries, but I think they (or some other coach company) could very well serve Monticello. If they don't, that's sad, but should be written explicitly. "No buses in" is ambiguous, as there could be a line passing by, and the sentence on the train depot could be changed from "as" to "since". –LPfi (talk) 19:44, 7 January 2023 (UTC)

I'll add something about how there are no buses of any sort. The Greyhound coach network is woefully inadequate and does not cover Monticello, unfortunately. TimMagee (talk) 02:22, 12 January 2023 (UTC)

Banner Image

I notice that @Zcarstvnz has changed the banner image. Was my previous banner image not very good? I didn't upload the image to Wikimedia Commons because I wasn't sure about the copyright status of the Gazebo in the picture. However, I still think that my picture from Cooper's Ferry Park is a better cover picture for Monticello than the picture of Bethel Baptist Church used now. Monticello, MS is fairly religious town and I did consider a picture of a church for the cover photo, but I would have preferred Monticello Baptist Church which is inside the town limits. Bethel Baptist is in the Monticello area, I will admit, but is not particularly well known nor would locals strongly associate it with the town. The picture from Cooper's Ferry Park, on the other hand, I took specifically to be the cover photo on WikiVoyage. If there is a strong argument for the Bethel Baptist Church photo over the Cooper's Ferry Park one I will accept it, but the guidelines explicitly allow pictures that are not on Wikimedia Commons. TimMagee (talk) 23:01, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

Current banner:

Previous banner:

• I've put the two banners here for comparison. I prefer the previous banner as it is more interesting, but I don't know what the rules are about copyright status. Ground Zero (talk) 23:42, 16 January 2024 (UTC)

  commons:Commons:Copyright rules by territory/United States mentions gazebos as an example of buildings (meaning that freedom of panorama applies to them in the United States). I think it should be fine to upload to Wikimedia Commons. —Granger (talk · contribs) 00:10, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

I prefer the previous banner. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 03:11, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

I do, too. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:29, 17 January 2024 (UTC)

I also like the gazebo banner, but the banner was showing up as not being uploaded to Commons. This is why I replaced it. The Wikivoyage:Banner Expedition page says banners "should" be uploaded to Commons, but later on the page explicitly states, "Now upload it to Commons, ..." after creating the banner. Is the uploading of banners to Commons a should or a must? To prevent copyright infringement, I think it's better to err on the side of caution, and have all banners on Commons. Smaller towns are sometimes hard to find good images to make into a banner. I have no issue with the banner being switched back, but perhaps the Banner Expedition page needs better wording to avoid confusion. Zcarstvnz (talk) 21:36, 9 March 2024 (UTC)