Talk:Panglao Island

Overflow from Boracay?

The country's busiest beach resort, Boracay, has just been shut down for six months by the national government to clean up various problems, mostly related to untreated sewage.

Will that mean a flood of tourists to Panglao, which is one of the top half dozen alternatives? Alona Beach is a lot like Boracay, gorgeous beach with heavy development, much of it recent. Does it have some of the same problems? Do we need a caution box? Pashley (talk)

Guide? DotM?

If we could get this article to Guide status, it might make a fine Dotm nominee. Panglao is a popular tourist destination & likely more so during the current closure of Boracay.

However Panglao#Sleep is a mess, lots of unclassified listings & many that lack co-ordinates or pricing. Also, the Eat & Drink sections are almost empty. Pashley (talk) 16:57, 29 June 2018 (UTC)

Reports [1] [2] [3] say the new Panglao Airport will open on schedule in August (Is it open now?), will replace the existing Tagbilaran airport as the air gateway to Bohol, and is expected to handle two million visitors in its first year.

Most important, it will handle international flights so you can get off the plane and be within a few km of a major group of beach resorts. Currently you can do that only at Mactan-Cebu International Airport, but the resorts near there are all high-priced. (Or CRK for partiers & sex tourists, but that's a different market.) I expect the companies that do charter flights and package holidays to be all over this. Pashley (talk) 19:52, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

For a start, I think we should reduce the number of sleep listings to a total of 10, 2 being in the budget section and 8 being in the mid-range section. ---Selfie City (talk | contributions) 20:54, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

I agree that section needs cleanup, but I'm not sure of the right way to do that. Your suggestion seems too drastic.

Maybe divide listings geographically? At least half a dozen now listed are in Dauis, the other end of the island from the main tourist area around Alona Beach. Start by giving them a separate section? Pashley (talk) 21:04, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Since this is currently classified as a region article, perhaps we should create some cities underneath the region article and put the listings there. What's the size of the island? ---Selfie City (talk | contributions) 21:09, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

So yes, I've looked at it on an online map and it's an area too big for an individual article. There seems to be a village called Panglao at one end and the one you mentioned, Dauis, at the other end. Perhaps we make those two the city articles, breadcrumbed under the island? ---Selfie City (talk | contributions) 21:12, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Bohol’s Panglao airport opening moved back to October Pashley (talk) 21:07, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

The airport is now open, I've just edited some & bumped this article to Usable. Alona Beach is also rated usable.

What would be needed to get one of them to Guide so it could be considered for DotM? this one of the country's main tourist destinations & might make a fine candidate.Pashley (talk) 17:19, 4 June 2019 (UTC)

Split it up?

Selfie City suggests splitting the region up & he may be right. w:Panglao Island says 16 by 7.5 km (10 by 4.66 miles) and population about 80,000. That seems small enough to treat in one article & I think I mildly prefer that since I think of it as one destination. Other opinions?

If we do split it, w:Dauis, Bohol & w:Panglao, Bohol should, as SelfieCity suggests, get articles; they are the only sizable towns and the centers of the island's only two municipalities.

I'd say w:Alona Beach should also get an article since it is the main tourist area & not close to either town. Ideally, it might be handled like Dumaguete#Along_the_boulevard since it is the same sort of place, a bunch of hotels, restaurants & bars spread out along the seafront. I do not know enough to do that, though & am not likely to be back there soon. Pashley (talk) 21:40, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

I can see reasoning from both sides, I guess. 10 miles doesn't sound like far but at the same time, if you walked it, it would be a long way. I wouldn't mind too much but 1) it's called a region article, so IMO there ought to be lower-level destinations underneath it and 2) there are too many "sleep" listings in the region article at its current state. If we're going to split the region, then we could make it a collaboration as well.

But at least one more opinion would give us a better idea, so if Ikan Kekek, AndreCarrotflower, and TT gave their opinions that would be useful. ---Selfie City (talk | contributions) 22:17, 25 August 2018 (UTC)

Based on the size of the region and the number of sleep listings alone, I think splitting up would be the best policy. Regions don't absolutely have to contain any city articles, but it looks like this one should. As to how that should be done, I leave to those of you who have been working on the article. By the way, rather than tagging specific, but uninvolved, admins to give opinions, the use of WV:Requests for comment would be better practice in future. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 11:22, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

Sorry about that. ---Selfie City (talk | contributions) 20:16, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

So it seems like we're moving forward with this. ---Selfie City (talk | contributions) 22:09, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

I've started the splitting process, moving Panglao to Panglao Island & creating stubs for Dauis, Panglao Town and Alona Beach. It will need a lot more work, mostly moving things from article to article, which I'm not likely to do soon. But at least there's a framework in place.

Should the Panglao article stay as it is, a redirect to the Island article? Make it a disambig page? Create a separate "Panglao (disambiguation)" page? Move Panglao Island back to Panglao? Pashley (talk) 22:38, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

Pashley, I think what you've done is fine. I've moved over a couple listings so far. ---Selfie City (talk | contributions) 23:46, 26 August 2018 (UTC)

Also, there is a place called Tawala. When I look on Google Maps, Tawala seems to be more connected to Alona Beach than it is with Panglao, so I'm going to move listings in Tawala to Alona Beach. ---Selfie City (talk | contributions) 00:19, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

See Alona_Beach#Understand and, if you are not familiar with the Philippines, the explanation of 'barangay' at Philippines#Addresses. Pashley (talk) 00:26, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Thanks. ---Selfie City (talk | contributions) 00:33, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

I just turned "Tawala" and "Tawala Barangay" into redirects to Alona Beach. ---Selfie City (talk | contributions) 00:38, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘What about Danao, though, and the other beaches along the southern coastline of the island? There are quite a few hotels there but it is hard to know which article they belong in. ---Selfie City (talk | contributions) 00:51, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

I do not know. Maybe put them in Dauis for now since it is in that end of the island? w:Danao, Bohol says it is a separate municipality but w:Panglao, Bohol says there are nnly two municipalities, Dauin and Panglao. I'm confused. Pashley (talk) 01:04, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Well, according to Google Maps Danao is between Panglao Town and Alona Beach, and it seems it would fit best with Alona Beach since it's near there. ---Selfie City (talk | contributions) 01:11, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Or maybe each beach area that has some hotels, etc. should get its own article. That wouldn't be so confusing. ---Selfie City (talk | contributions) 01:15, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Ooops. I was just looking quickly at w:Danao, Bohol which it turns out is a completely different area, not on Panglao. Pashley (talk) 01:17, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

I'm going to create a separate article for Danao with Danao Beach redirecting to it. When I'm looking at the Google Map that is the only sensible thing to do. ---Selfie City (talk | contributions) 15:51, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Actually, there is already a Danao City article and Danao redirects there. So I'm actually going to call the new article "Danao Beach" and we need to make "Danao" a disambiguation page instead of a redirect. ---Selfie City (talk | contributions) 15:56, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

The disambig should likely also mention w:Danao, Bohol Pashley (talk) 15:58, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Pashley, now I'm confused. How large an area is Alona Beach? According to Google Maps it is only a few hundred feet long, but in Danao Beach there was a listing that said it was on Alona Beach. So does Alona Beach maybe extend farther than Google Maps says? ---Selfie City (talk | contributions) 16:05, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘So I've done quick research and according to this, Danao Beach is a separate beach, so it's right that it should be a separate article. ---Selfie City (talk | contributions) 16:16, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Alona is not huge, but "only a few hundred feet" does not sound right. I would guess a km or so, over half a mile, but I haven't been there in more than a year & I'm no surveyor. Pashley (talk) 16:29, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Well, I'm following Google Maps' distance thing more precisely now and it appears to be about 1500 feet, which is closer to what you are saying. ---Selfie City (talk | contributions) 16:31, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

So I used the "measure distance" tool and it's saying just under 3000 feet. ---Selfie City (talk | contributions) 16:34, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Is there still a DotM possibility here?

I suggested above at #Guide?_DotM? that the island article might make a good candidate, but now we are splitting it up.

Will the main work as DotM after we finish the split? Will Alona Beach? I do not think the other new articles can; they are not very important areas. Pashley (talk) 01:12, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

Good question. Even if we make the Panglao Island article good, Dauis and Panglao Town could get in the way. Meanwhile, Alona Beach seems to offer plenty of opportunity for writing a good article. ---Selfie City (talk | contributions) 01:14, 27 August 2018 (UTC)

How to split this?

There are several ways this could be split up:

• originally we had only one article & you could still make the case that that is all we need since the island is small & arguably it is only one destination
• split out Alona Beach, since that is the main tourist area
• follow the administrative divisions, two municipalities Dauis and Panglao Town
• combine the two so there are articles for the two towns & Alona
• add articles for other beaches: Momo Beach, Danao Beach, and others

Discussion at #Split_it_up? above ended at approximately the "combine the two" choice above & I'd say that much is fine. The question now is what to do with other beaches. Currently we have:

• Momo Beach as redirect
• Danao Beach almost empty
• Bolod and Libaong almost empty

I'd say these should all be redirects for now, hope maybe they become articles later. Pashley (talk) 14:57, 4 October 2018 (UTC)

For now I think it is okay as it is. However, if we want to make Panglao a guide status article then these are definitely considerations. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 22:38, 4 October 2018 (UTC)