Wikivoyage:Destination of the month candidates

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Here we determine which articles are featured on the Main Page as Destination of the month (DotM), Off the Beaten Path (OtBP) and Featured travel topics (FTT).

NominateEdit

You can nominate any article you would like to see featured. Any destination, region, itinerary or event that passes the "What is an article?" test is eligible for nomination.

However, before nominating, please check that the article follows these basic guidelines:

  • The nominated article should have an article status of guide or star. This includes having at least one good picture, and listings/headers/etc. that match our manual of style.
  • The nominated article must not have been featured since Wikivoyage became a WMF project in 2013.
  • If the article has been nominated previously but failed, any objections should be addressed before nominating it again.
    • Check the slush pile.
    • If you think a once-slushed destination is now ready to go, list it as new, but with a pointer to the slush pile entry.
  • The article should be good enough to feature within 12 months; as is, or with edits that can be done before the intended time slot.

Well-known and/or popular destinations should be nominated as Destination of the Month, while more obscure destinations should be nominated for Off the Beaten Path. Featured Travel Topic includes travel topics, phrasebooks, itineraries, and other articles not part of the geographic hierarchy, as well as airports (as they are not usually destinations in their own right). Where applicable, you should propose a good time to visit the destination as a month to be featured.

The basic format of a nomination is as follows:

{{FeatureNom
| place=Destination
| blurb='''[[Destination]]''' is a place of contrasts, and as such it...
| status=Guide
| time=March-June
| nominatedBy=~~~~
| comment=Great article and it's just luvvly-jubbly in the springtime.
| DotMImage=[[File:Destinationimage.jpg|thumb|300px]]
}}

Add a nomination to the end of the appropriate section.

DiscussEdit

You can comment on any nomination based on timeliness and adherence to the criteria above, just add a bullet point (*) and your signed opinion.

===[[Destination]]===
Great article and it's just luvvly-jubbly in the springtime. TravelNut 25:25, 31 Feb 2525 (UTC)
* Looks nice, but shouldn't the Do section contain more than just quilting contests? ~~~~

Please note that the following are not considered valid reasons to oppose a nomination:

  • "I don't like it." All objections have to be based on the guidelines above: poor formatting, missing information, etc. Personal opinions, dislikes, etc. do not count.
  • "Wrong time of year." Articles are supported or opposed based on their content. Timing can be worked out later.
  • "Wrong type of place." Articles are supported or opposed based on their content. Whether it's DotM or OtBP can be worked out later.

SelectEdit

If an article gets several comments in favor and none against for a week or so, it's eligible to be placed in an appropriate time-slot in the Upcoming queue. If the objections are relatively minor and are being worked on, add them to the Upcoming queue tentatively (add a question mark "?" after the article). Feel free to move the queue around or swap articles if it makes sense. If a nomination clearly does not make the grade and if the objections are not easily fixable, they go into the Slush pile.

Once a nomination has been scheduled, an appropriate banner image and text blurb must be selected. Go to Wikivoyage:Destination of the month candidates/Banners to start that discussion.

ArchiveEdit

Discussions for previously selected destinations are kept in the Archive.

UpcomingEdit

ScheduleEdit

The following queue should contain about the next few months' worth of upcoming destinations. Note that new DotMs are rotated in on the 1st of each month, OtBPs on the 11th and travel topics on the 21st.

Month DotM OtBP FTT
December 2022 Rome/Vatican – pending fixes and stronger consensus to support Gävle – pending fixes and stronger consensus to support Driving in South Africa – pending fixes and stronger consensus to support
January 2023 Bangkok/Yaowarat and Phahurat – pending fixes and stronger consensus to support Navarre (Florida) – pending fixes and stronger consensus to support Portuguese phrasebook – pending fixes and stronger consensus to support
February 2023 Milford Sound – pending fixes and stronger consensus to support Jimbaran – pending fixes and stronger consensus to support Indira Gandhi International Airport – pending fixes (?)
March 2023 British Columbia – pending stronger consensus to support Guanajuato – pending fixes and stronger consensus to support Christianity – pending stronger consensus to support
April 2023 Seoul/Jongno – pending fixes and stronger consensus to support Klaksvík – pending stronger consensus to support Loop Art Tour
May 2023 Vilnius – pending fixes and stronger consensus to support Stamford (England) – pending fixes and stronger consensus to support Swedish Empire – pending fixes
June 2023 Brocken – pending fixes(?) and stronger consensus to support Iquitos – pending fixes and stronger consensus to support Mount Kosciuszko summit trails – pending stronger consensus to support

Try to avoid two overlapping or back-to-back features from the same country, as well as long streaks of features from the same continent. It is customary to wait 24 months between articles from the same city or region.

The schedule is not cast in stone. However, any change made to the schedule should have a compelling reason behind it, and should be effected as far in advance as possible of the article's scheduled term on the Main Page. In particular, unless absolutely necessary, we discourage nominee articles from being slushed or rescheduled after banners have been made for them, which usually happens 2-3 months before being featured.

Whenever an article becomes a current feature, it should be removed from the list, the discussion archived, and (when changing out Featured Travel Topics) a new month added to the end of the queue.

Next changesEdit

Decisions regarding which images to use as the banners are made at Wikivoyage:Destination of the month candidates/Banners.

The section below provides an opportunity to see what the upcoming featured articles will look like on the Main Page using the banners that are currently most popular on the above page.


UpdatingEdit

On the date of the scheduled change, the DotM, OtBP, or FTT should be changed as close to midnight UTC as possible. When the featured page is changed, please follow the following procedures to do so and archive content to the appropriate pages. At each stage, please double-check that you are correctly moving content.

  1. Update the featured articles on the main page by replacing the current 'banner' template section with those of the appropriate banner for the new DotM/OtBP/FTT found in the Next change section above.
  2. Update the Photo credits page with the banner's original image, title and attribution.
  3. Add the former featured article to the appropriate archive page: Previous Destinations of the month, Previously Off the beaten path, or Previous Featured travel topics.
  4. Remove Template:Featurenomination from newly featured article.
  5. For the former featured article, add the appropriate parameter to the pagebanner template (directly after the image filename) to label the page as having been featured previously.
    • For former DotMs, add: |dotm=yes
    • For former OtBPs, add: |otbp=yes
    • For former FTTs, add: |ftt=yes
  6. Archive the newly featured article's nomination. Simply cut-and-paste the nomination section of the newly featured article from this page to Wikivoyage:Destination of the month candidates/Archive.
  7. Update the Next change section above by adding the banner from the discussion page. View the table in the Schedule section above to determine what next month's change will be, then update the image and blurb in the "Next change" section with that found in the upcoming featured article's nomination.
  8. In the schedule, use <s> and </s> to strikethrough the newly featured article. Remove the row from the table if the newly featured article is the FTT.
  9. Archive the newly featured article's banner by cutting-and-pasting all banner suggestions and the associated discussion into Wikivoyage:Destination of the month candidates/Banners/Archive.

Nominations for Destination of the MonthEdit

Rome/VaticanEdit

Place: Vatican City
Blurb: The world's smallest country is the headquarters of the Roman Catholic Church, and has an impressive art collection. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Should be avoided at summer. April includes Easter and good weather. Winter is a good time to avoid crowds.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 01:39, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
Comment: Well-known destination which was slushed in 2017 but has improved a lot since then. One of few relevant destinations for Easter travel.

Nomination
 
  • Close. Some formatting fixes needed, but that can be resolved later, and the translation tag? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:41, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
  • Support, pending checks on which listed establishments are still in business, as usual. I haven't been voting here for a while because I'm very ambivalent about travel, given its carbon footprint, and we're also still in a pandemic, but I recently reread and did some edits on this article, and I think it's good and covers a destination that will always attract visitors as long as there are human beings and things to see and do there. We have to hope that'll be a long time... Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:45, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
On hold as Turin is scheduled for May. Can be considered for Christmas 2022 or Easter 2023, as we don't have many destinations with worldwide relevance for these holidays. /Yvwv (talk) 21:16, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
  • I have some concern with its categorization (being placed as a "district" of Rome instead of treating it as an official country). Yes I know it's the smallest country in the world, but we don't give the same treatment to Monaco or San Marino which are also tiny countries in Europe. OhanaUnitedTalk page 03:29, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
  • But it really is a district of Rome. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:31, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
The thing is, would you ever visit the Vatican without visiting Rome? San Marino and Monaco are a bit different as they're not fully surrounded by another city on all four corners. OTOH, I was also first confused when I first saw the categorisation too, and I have a feeling most of our readers will too. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:35, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
  • Any other way of treating the Vatican would be more confusing. Regardless of the political arrangement, it's a neighborhood in Rome, period. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:38, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
I remain unconvinced. Going by geography hierarchy, it's country -> region -> city -> district. Vatican is small enough that it doesn't need region, city or district. But putting it as a district of Rome (and not even giving it a city status) seems like a large deviation from the hiearchy. I'm marking it as not yet OhanaUnitedTalk page 20:49, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
Have you ever visited the Vatican? It is not its own city. Listen, if tomorrow, my block in Manhattan were declared an independent state, would it suddenly no longer be part of New York City? Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:28, 18 December 2021 (UTC)
I have not visited Vatican. Vatican is and will remain an independent state. Your block in Manhattan will not. So please don't apply strawman argument here. OhanaUnitedTalk page 19:59, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
It's not a straw man. The Vatican was the small part of Rome that the Pope was allowed to maintain authority over in a concession by newly unified Italy that they made in order to achieve the withdrawal of French troops from Rome. It's hugely important, but it's simply part of Rome, and don't forget that the traveller comes first on this site, not whether a neighborhood in a particular city is officially treated as an independent country or not. By your standards, we should be using only official districts in our breadcrumb navigation and never including suburbs in any city article - not to mention, always using official names of places - but we do in instances in which that best serves the traveler. Go and visit the Vatican some time and see for yourself how it's just part of Rome. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:27, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
I agree with Ikan in that I don't see how it's unreasonable, from a practical perspective, to classify the Vatican as part of Rome. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 23:21, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
Even have a look at San Marino. It's a country, but breadcrumbed under Italy. Why? Because you have no choice but to enter thru Italy. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:24, 24 December 2021 (UTC)
The geographic hierarchy of Europe is always under discussion at Talk:Europe/Hierarchy. Southwestern Europe is a proposed continental section which would include the whole Italian peninsula. We can hopefully settle this issue before the article gets featured. /Yvwv (talk) 13:41, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
And what about Andorra? Other than a few rich guys chartering a helicopter, the rest of us have to go through either Spain or France to get in. Yet it's breadcrumbed under Iberia. Same for Liechtenstein. You have to go through either Switzerland or Australia to get there but it's listed under Central Europe. Monaco has access to water but its land is completely surrounded by Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur in France, yet it's not listed as a district/city of Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur. Going back to Vatican. As AlasdairW pointed out, this looked like a Rome/Vatican district nomination, yet the proposed blurb is pitching it as a country. Add the breadcrumb issue to the mix and this blurred line led to all sorts of confusion. I agree with Yvwv that this should be settled first. OhanaUnitedTalk page 21:21, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
Andorra is a difference case since you can enter through both France and Spain. Monaco as you said, has access to water, but San Marino is still categorised as a part of Italy given it's surrounded by Italy on every side. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:35, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
I haven't been to San Marino, but I have visited Monaco, and while it's definitely on the Cote d'Azur, it is at least a city in a somewhat recognizably geographically discrete area (Le Roque and the city down below). If people want to breadcrumb it to Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur, that's OK with me. But when you're talking about the Vatican, even ignoring the fact that the article also covers areas not under the control of the Pope, it's just part of Rome, and you can't even stay there, with few exceptions. To me, the argument to breadcrumb Monaco to France is a much stronger argument than treating the Vatican as separate from Rome. For a traveler, it is part of Rome, period. In terms of the other more or less small landlocked countries in Europe that are being discussed, it would make no sense to treat Andorra as part of either France or Spain because it is between the two, and the situation for Liechtenstein is analogous. In terms of selling the Vatican as the world's smallest country somehow confusing people because the article is breadcrumbed to Rome, that seems like a nonexistent problem. It is both a country and part of Rome, and that's one of the things that makes it unique. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:32, 13 July 2022 (UTC)
  • Nearly The article is about both the Vatican and the Borgo and Prati districts of Rome. Although this is stated at the top of the article, it maybe could be clearer and the blurb could also be clear that the article we are featuring is Vatican++. All the eat and sleep listings are actually in Rome. This is correctly a district of Rome. There are a few dead links in the article, and few of the listings have recently been updated. AlasdairW (talk) 18:00, 20 December 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment: Not a copyvio according to Earwig's. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:22, 23 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Scheduled provisionally for Christmas 2022. Easter could be considered, but might be too crowded for visitors who are not devout Catholics. /Yvwv (talk) 13:19, 25 January 2022 (UTC)

Bangkok/Yaowarat and PhahuratEdit

Place: Bangkok/Yaowarat and Phahurat
Blurb: The multicultural district and Chinatown in the capital of the largest overseas Chinese community becomes particularly lively for the Chinese New Year. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Star (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Jan 2023
Nominated by: SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:25, 27 November 2021 (UTC)
Comment: Here's an article for the Lunar New Year for 2023. The article is a star, so I'd trust that all requirements are met.

Nomination
 
Scheduled for Lunar New Year 2023. /Yvwv (talk) 23:44, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Milford SoundEdit

Place: Milford Sound
Blurb: One of New Zealand's prime icons, this fiord nestled in the north of Fiordland National Park contains a spectacular combination of mountains, sheer cliffs, waterfalls and marine life. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Southern summer
Nominated by: SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:31, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
Comment: I've recently taken some interest in Fiordland National Park recently and have recently upgraded this to guide. As for dotm/otbp, Milford is an important tourist spot not just in South Island, but NZ as a whole, so it'd be absurd to feature this as otbp and Arches NP as dotm. I'm willing to do any changes if needed.

Nomination
 
  • Support as nominator. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:32, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
  • Support. Has all the essentials. The boundary between DoTM and OtBP might need a deeper discussion than we could have for an individual article vote. Absolute number of visitors might be an incomplete measure. Let's say that a city in a high-income, high-population region such as Germany, Virginia or South Korea has around 100,000 citizens, but is no tourist attraction in its own right. We would probably feature it as OtBP, though it is likely to attract many thousands of visitors per year for business, sports, performance events and family occasions. In absolute numbers, more people would visit that city, than a national park or natural landmark which is world famous, but more isolated. The limit has to be subjective. /Yvwv (talk) 22:54, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
    I agree. To me, it seems absolutely absurd if we were feature to Arches National Park as a dotm and if this as an otbp when Arches NP is only heavily visited because of the large domestic tourism in the US but otherwise relatively unknown outside, while Milford is one of New Zealand's prime tourist destinations but gets fewer visitors because NZ's population is 66 times smaller than that of the US. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:05, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
Scheduled provisionally for February 2023. / 10:41, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
  • Support although more general information would improve the article. I, for one, wasn't even aware there was a substantial tourist village at the site until I looked at the map. I've mentioned this in the lede now. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 14:10, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

LyonEdit

Place: Lyon
Blurb: France's third city is famous for its Roman heritage, its cuisine, and its proximity to the mountains. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any. Aug-Oct is harvest season, and has decent weather. Possibly December for Fête des Lumières and Christmas.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 09:17, 2 April 2022 (UTC)
Comment: France receives more international tourists than any other country, but has had rather few features. This is a lengthy article, though many places need coordinates. Slushed in 2010.

Nomination
 
  • Very very close – I'd love to see this featured. Only thing that's missing is coordinates as you mentioned, which I'll start later this month. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:07, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
  • Comment: The districts map needs better color-coordination. It's unusual for an undistricted city to have a districts map, but I think it's fine with a map and good descriptions. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:34, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
    @Ikan Kekek: I'm stuck with the flu at home this week so I'll try and make a better districts map if I can. No promises though, as I'm still a rookie at making static maps (the few I've made are nowhere near good as our existing maps, but given that few can make these maps, I'll give it a shot), but I'll try my best. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:46, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
I hope you get better soon! Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:54, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
I completely forgot to respond to this (I think I didn't hit the reply button), but I eventually gave up. Unfortunately, I'm not very good at dealing with layers. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 10:57, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
  • Comment - Listings in for example Do and Drink need coordinates, and we need to check that all listings are still in business - which SHB apparently is doing right now. The number of See listings is well above 50 (I start thinking about districts when See listings start approaching 40 but maybe that's just me...), so Lyon perhaps needs to be divided in some districts. We don't need 10 of them as in the district map, but the rivers apparently divide Lyon neatly in three parts. --Ypsilon (talk) 10:44, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
    I think it could be time for Lyon to be divided into districts. It's large, has an abundance of tourist attractions, and the article has gotten somewhat overly long – I can certainly help if needed. I would prefer your suggestion as opposed to fr.voy's districting (see fr:Lyon). It makes sense for the 5th and 9th arrondissements to be in one, the 1st, 2nd and 4th to be in another, and the 3rd, 6th, 7th and 8th to be in a third district. I don't know enough about Lyon to replace the see and do sections with slabs of black text, but I can certainly help out with the districts. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 11:02, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
Schedule for December? The Vatican article still has issues, and we have already had one Italian DoTM this year. Lyon has the Fête des Lumières in December, and seems to be a good destination for Christmas shopping. /Yvwv (talk) 11:24, 11 October 2022 (UTC)

SucreEdit

Place: Sucre
Blurb: Bolivia's nominal capital is a UNESCO World Heritage Site with a showcase of indigenous and colonial history. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: October to April to avoid the cold. Carnival in February.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 22:59, 31 May 2022 (UTC)
Comment: We have few upcoming features from South America, and we never had a feature from Bolivia (except on The Other Site, back in 2006). The article has the essentials, but could mention more on topics such as the new airport, shopping, and crime.

Nomination
 
  • Almost – a few see listings need descriptions, but that is relatively minor and this article can run as it is if it has to. Would love a feature from Bolivia! --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:32, 1 June 2022 (UTC)
The "History" section also needs an update, as it doesn't seem to have been updated since the coup that ousted Evo Morales. I just changed one "is" to "was", but that's not enough. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:13, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
This article seems too good to be slushed, but the nomination hasn't received one support vote during the four months since it was nominated. Should it remain on the schedule? --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 14:13, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
This article has remained as is since, and I don't feel too comfortable running it during March when the issues raised by Ikan Kekek have not been fixed. I'm going to remove this off the schedule for the timebeing; feel free to revert me (but please let me know) once the issues have been fixed. In the meantime, I'll look for another article that could fit in the March section. Perhaps British Columbia? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 07:19, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

Seoul/JongnoEdit

Place: Jongno, Seoul
Blurb: Seoul's northern historic center is a showcase of Korean heritage, with four Grand Palaces and several museums. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Spring or autumn for weather. November for the Lantern Light Festival (if it is scheduled as usual).
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 11:21, 25 July 2022 (UTC)
Comment: Korea deserves a feature. Suwon did not make the cut, but this article is hopefully good enough.

Nomination
 

GlasgowEdit

Place: Glasgow
Blurb: Scotland's largest city and gateway to the Atlantic has a great range of shopping, museums, and parks. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: While northern summer has the best weather, it tends to get overloaded with European destinations. We can consider other seasons, as Glasgow has many indoor venues. Not sure about events.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 21:18, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
Comment: The Isles have no scheduled articles, and Scotland has had very few features ever. This article has the essentials, but some venues need coordinates.

Nomination
 
  • Comment - I suspect the preamble for 'Drink' is rather outdated, given the BBC moved to the South Side of Glasgow in 2007. Someone who knows the scene in Glasgow should ideally rewrite.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 21:45, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
  • Comment – I noticed that many listings use the 24-hour clock. However, Talk:United Kingdom calls using the 12-hour clock. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 22:27, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
It was decided to use 24-hr clock in Scotland.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 08:33, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
Right, so that would mean all the listings that use the 12-hour clock need to be fixed. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 08:36, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
(edit conflict - you reply too quickly!) Although having said that, there's nothing on Talk:Scotland. Perhaps Ground Zero knows whether (and where) this was ever definitely decided?--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 08:38, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
(Lmao, but I really do) Looking back at the page history, it appears that @FredTC: changed the formats so the article conforms with Talk:United Kingdom and the policy, and I added {{time}} to some of the listings. Looking at Talk:United Kingdom#Time formatting in the UK, there was no explicit consensus on what to use for Scotland. I've yet to visit Scotland (but I'd love to visit Scotland en route to the Faroes) so I'd defer to you, AlasdairW, Yvwv and anyone who knows Scotland better than I do. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 08:49, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
I think the discussion didn't reach a consensus with respect to Scotland. I'll be going in a couple of weeks, and can offer my opinion based on what I see while I am there. Ground Zero (talk) 09:59, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
To Glasgow? (if so, very timely and useful for this nomination!) Or to Scotland in general? I don't think there's much of a difference in respect of time from the rest of the UK, in that both systems are used in different situations, so it would make more sense to follow the Talk:UK standard, but we can wait for your observations.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 11:10, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
To Scotland in general, including Glasgow. I have been using primarily Wikivoyage for planning this month-long trip to Scotland as the articles are generally in quite good condition. I will keep my eyes open while I am there and will report back. Ground Zero (talk) 12:14, 14 September 2022 (UTC)

VilniusEdit

Place: Vilnius
Blurb: The Lithuanian capital has interesting things to explore from Medieval castle ruins to modern bars and glass-and-steels-buildings. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: May-Sep probably
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 21:45, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
Comment: Someone said we have a shortage of DotM's. Well, here's one more candidate. I made a brief visit to the city a few weeks ago and have updated the listings and other parts of the article, so it should probably be good to go.

Nomination
 
Scheduled for May 2023. We have not had many articles from Europe east of the former Iron Curtain lately. While Russia, Belarus and Ukraine are off limits, the Baltic states are appealing. /Yvwv (talk) 15:02, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
I object to the rescheduling of Lyon. FWIW, Lyon is in a much better state than this article. Also, it's worth noting that many listings are devoid of descriptions. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 08:28, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
If Lyon is good to go, it can be featured for Fête des Lumières in December, and we save the Vatican for later. The Vatican article still has a few issues, and we did an Italian city (Turin) earlier this year. /Yvwv (talk) 09:45, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
Given how Lyon might need to be split into districts, I now think this one should be run in April. If anything, Christianity could be postponed so it's not featured too close to Rome/Vatican. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 10:10, 11 October 2022 (UTC)


Punta ArenasEdit

Place: Punta Arenas
Blurb: The capital of Chilean Patagonia is a gateway to Antarctica, and a good place to see penguins. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: December to March
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 16:24, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
Comment: We have no upcoming South American articles. This article has improved a lot lately, and is clearly in the OtBP category. Re-categorized as DOTM.

Nomination
 
  • Support, but is this an OtBP? It's a good article overall, except that the dead links need to be fixed. However, is it really an OtBP? It's fairly internationally significant, at least from what I know. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:38, 23 December 2021 (UTC)
There is no clear defining line between DoTM and OtBP. Number of visitors per year would be a decent guideline, but I cannot find any statistics for Punta Arenas. While the city has more than 100,000 inhabitants and many hospitality venues, it is fairly isolated, 3,000 kilometres from Santiago. /Yvwv (talk) 01:50, 28 December 2021 (UTC)
Well, we did feature Yosemite National Park and Zion National Park as dotms even though they're national parks. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:24, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Needs a bit of work, though hopefully not much. 'Get around' is very sparse on details for a city that size, and there are a few too many dead links for my liking. PA is undoubtedly off the beaten path, right at the bottom of Patagonia, and cut off by road from the rest of Chile. I haven't been there, but my father has, as part of the tortuous LATAM airline route to the Falkland Islands (the Santiago to PA stretch alone was like 3½ hours). Most visitors are on their way to somewhere even more remote: Antarctica, rural Patagonia or one of the islands.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 11:00, 12 January 2022 (UTC)
Scheduled provisionally for Dec 2022/Jan 2023. /Yvwv (talk) 13:20, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Close. Some deadlinks need fixing and at least one listing needs more information. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 14:05, 1 October 2022 (UTC)

Feature as a dotm?Edit

Given how Arches National Park and Milford Sound are have been nominated as a destination of the month, I'm a bit skeptical of featuring this as an otbp because it gives an impression that Wikivoyage is ethnocentric towards destinations in the Anglosphere (and it shouldn't be). It certainly is cut off by road from the rest of Chile, but most travellers who visit PA usually fly. It also has a population of over 125,000, is the regional centre of Patagonia, and as I mentioned earlier, many have heard of this destination, and I dare say more people have heard of PA than Arches National Park or Milford Sound for that matter*.

*This depends on country. More Americans would have heard of Arches NP than Puntas Arenas, but the reverse is true for nearly everywhere else.

What does everyone else think?

--SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 04:04, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

The boundary between DOTM and OTBP has never been settled, and the categorization of earlier features seems strange in context. I would not mind to re-nominate this article as a DOTM, and would welcome any new suggestion to define the categories. /Yvwv (talk) 16:41, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
Navarre (Florida) is nominated to get a replacement for the Jan/Feb slot. /Yvwv (talk) 16:03, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
  • On hold for proposed recategorization. /Yvwv (talk) 13:31, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
  • Recategorized as DOTM. /Yvwv (talk) 12:05, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

British ColumbiaEdit

Place: Destination
Blurb: Canada's Pacific coast has spectacular sceneries for outdoor life at both summer and winter, as well as the urban attractions of Vancouver. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Northern summer has most comfortable climate, but ski season (January-April) is also appealing, and we have not featured many winter destinations lately.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 13:04, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
Comment: We have settled on a standard for featured provinces and states, and currently have no Canadian nominees. Some other Canadian provinces and territories are also at guide level, and can also be considered.

Nomination
 
  • Support I was actually going to nominate Alberta soon, but you beat me to it. @Shaundd, Tai123.123: have anything to say about this? --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 20:33, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
    Scheduled for March 2022. Could be a bit cold – I haven't visited BC during this time of the year, but it's during the ski season, so it would be good timing for both exploring its mountains and skiing (albeit a bit late). --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 07:27, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
Good placement. IMO, scheduling can be a bit more prospective. Unless it is for a specific event, featuring an article at the beginning of the high season makes sense. /Yvwv (talk) 12:45, 12 November 2022 (UTC)

BrockenEdit

Place: Brocken
Blurb: The 1,141-metre roof of the Harz Mountains might be a laughing stock in elevation, but there's no denying that Brocken perfectly fits in like a cake above the surrounding Saxony-Anhalt countryside. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Preferably northern spring or summer, when the snow isn't supposed to act as a pest.
Nominated by: SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 10:59, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
Comment: Given how we might appear short on dotm candidates, here's one suitable candidate. It particular, it's very detailed, especially the get in section, which makes this stand out over many of our other park articles. In addition, much of this article was written by Ypsilon in February 2022, so I presume that a lot of the content here is up-to-date.

The only issue I have with this article is how there are so many galleries, violating Wikivoyage:Image policy. However, this issue seems small enough that it can be handled within the near future before it's featured.

Nomination
 
Yes, the summer months would be most suitable. The article is BTW a translation from the Star Brocken article in German WV (see tag at Talk:Brocken). That article has a lot of photos illustrating the routes and landscapes nicely however they are compressed into a thing called "Scroll galleries" they have over at WV-de. I didn't know of any other way of adding them here than a couple of galleries; if people think there are too much of them I'm fine with deleting them. --Ypsilon (talk) 14:57, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
I personally like the galleries, but Wikivoyage:Image policy... SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 07:09, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Nominations for Off the Beaten PathEdit

GävleEdit

Place: Gävle
Blurb: Joe Hill's hometown is the gateway to northern Sweden, famous for Sweden's largest rail museum, and a Christmas market with a giant Yule Goat. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Great weather and outdoor events June to August. The notorious Christmas goat is inaugurated in late November, and Gävle is one of few large Swedish cities to usually have snow in December.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 18:50, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
Comment: Has improved during 2021. While Gävle is decently sized and has many interesting venues, it does not seem heavyweight enough for DoTM.

Nomination
 
  • Support assuming the nature reserves get a description and contact information. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 19:03, 8 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Comment: If featuring before Christmas, I'd say November, as 11 December is very close to Christmas, and there is little reason to go in January – at least there are no hints on winter activities in the article. –LPfi (talk) 06:52, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
It is true that we should be a bit prospective. Banteay Chhmar is not good to go, so we could run Gävle in November. /Yvwv (talk) 08:30, 9 September 2021 (UTC)
Added two ski facilities. Gävle usually gets the first snow in early December, so there will be some chances for winter sport. The ice hockey season will be ongoing, though the horse races close down for winter. /Yvwv (talk) 13:29, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
  • Close I just added an Understand section, that even the smallest articles should have. And that section should have a couple of paragraphs of Gävle. A pic or two towards the end, and in the lead could be added and a few listings need coordinates. --Ypsilon (talk) 15:32, 11 September 2021 (UTC)
Added history and climate. How extensively should we mention the traditional arson attacks on the goat? /Yvwv (talk) 15:04, 14 September 2021 (UTC)
Looking good. Perhaps a few more lines (in its listing or in Understand), given that the goat is mentioned in the blurb, but not more than that. --Ypsilon (talk) 15:14, 20 September 2021 (UTC)
I'm otherwise neutral but I think we're now starting to have too many articles nominated that are to be run during an event or anniversary so I'd prefer Gävle because of that (also it's nice to have a "real winter article" every now and then, we haven't had that many of those). --Ypsilon (talk) 15:54, 1 October 2021 (UTC)
Featuring a holiday-related article at the end of the year would be a good concept, be it for Christmas, Gregorian New Year, Chinese New Year, or Thanksgiving. There are just a handful of those destinations (Bethlehem and Rovaniemi can be considered), so we can save Gävle for 2022 and run Plymouth in 2021. /Yvwv (talk) 14:02, 7 October 2021 (UTC)
Gävle is an underrated summer destination, with Furuvik, white nights, and great outdoors within walking distance. They will stage Atlas Rock on 4 June, and Gefle Metal Festival in July. As a winter resort it is mediocre compared to many other Nordic towns. /Yvwv (talk) 23:37, 10 October 2021 (UTC)
Scheduled. Have added a few summer-related venues. White nights, Midsummer and rock music give a more gratifying experience than the goat and darkness from 3 pm. /Yvwv (talk) 14:05, 30 October 2021 (UTC)
On hold, replaced by Deventer, which has stronger support. I would love to see Gävle featured for May, June or July, but these slots tend to get filled by other Nordic destinations. /Yvwv (talk) 00:08, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
Scheduled for Christmas 2022. /Yvwv (talk) 23:44, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
Needs work as this page looks only middle-grade usable, too many entries are out-of-date or scrappy. A day or two's work should fix it. Right, I'm on the case. Grahamsands (talk) 10:23, 18 November 2022 (UTC)
Okay, done, that's more like it. "Failed to notice some minor glitches", they said. Grahamsands (talk) 22:09, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

JimbaranEdit

Place: Jimbaran
Blurb: Known as the "Beverly Hills of Bali" or "Millionaire's Row" for its high-end resorts. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: April to October, weather-wise. Not sure about festivals or events.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 07:38, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
Comment: Indonesia is a large country with no scheduled features. Bali itself has been featured, but none of the many places on Bali with guide-level articles. We can also consider Amed, Bedugul, Candidasa, Denpasar, Kintamani, Lovina, Nusa Dua, Nusa Penida or Sanur.

Nomination
 
  • Comment The two maps seem similar and I feel it would be better if there was only one, if dynamic is more up to date we should keep that one Tai123.123 (talk) 08:03, 8 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support LGTM. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:28, 13 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Very close. I would like to see more information in "get around," such as main roads in the resort, so travelers have a better idea than merely what a phone's GPS would provide. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 14:59, 17 January 2022 (UTC)
    I have added main roads. Hanif Al Husaini (talk) 17:56, 7 February 2022 (UTC)
Scheduled provisionally for February/March 2023. Not the driest season, but decently sunny. / 10:42, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

TrabzonEdit

Place: Trabzon
Blurb: With an ancient Greek heritage, Trabzon was an empire in its own right during the Middle Ages. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Northern summer, as climate is cooler than the rest of Turkey. June for Kadirga Festival, or August for Sultan Murat Festival.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 13:10, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
Comment: Turkey is very under-featured. Not sure whether Trabzon would weigh in for DoTM.

Nomination
 
  • Comment. This is one of the greatest articles of Turkish locations, thanks to the hard work by many of our contributors, first and foremost User:NeoRetro. However, it needs some tidying up: some of the information pertains to the region as a whole, not only to the city, and as for the listed attractions, the article currently works as a semi-rural area, with many sites in the surrounding area lumped in together with those in the city itself, including some which should be moved to the places we have articles for. However, most are visited as day-trips from Trabzon, so I'm not sure how big a problem this presents. Vidimian (talk) 15:00, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
  • I’d lean DOTM on this Tai123.123 (talk) 20:45, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Needs work per Vidimian. For dotm/otbp, I'd generally say dotm, but as we have a lot more otbp slots available, I wouldn't mind it being an otbp. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:18, 26 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Comment: The article has been improved a lot since nomination and the first votes, and should be re-evaluated. /Yvwv (talk) 16:05, 15 August 2022 (UTC)
    Comment: generally looks good, but for me (who doesn't know anything about the area) it's a little overwhelming. Still seems like some of this info should be lifted up to region level pages. See section PoI could use some trimming and better descriptions. Thanks! ButteBag (talk) 17:04, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

LongyearbyenEdit

Place: Destination
Blurb: The population centre of Svalbard is the northernmost town in the world and a base for exploring the remote Arctic wilderness. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Northern summer.
Nominated by: SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:44, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
Comment: We've have few features of Norway and this one seems like a good article for another Norwegian feature. As to dotm or otbp, Longyearbyen is reasonably well known but not enough for dotm.

Nomination
 
  • Very close as nominator. Some listings are missing addresses (which I will add in the next few days), but otherwise it has all the essentials needed for a feature. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:44, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
  • Very close. As this is a rather unusual destination, the article could use some more trivia. Svalbard itself featured back in 2006, and since then we have had very few Arctic and Antarctic destinations. /Yvwv (talk) 13:08, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
A preferrable timing would be June/July, with the midnight sun. /Yvwv (talk) 12:56, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
I'd prefer that slot too. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 13:04, 18 April 2022 (UTC)
We might have a diversity problem as June is high season for the Nordic countries, and we have both E8 through Finland and Norway and Swedish Empire considered for June 2023. Svalbard is administered by Norway and most visitors arrive through Norway, but nature and culture are very different from Norway proper. /Yvwv (talk) 09:16, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
I don't think there's a problem with featuring all three at once. The islands are around 700 kilometres from the mainland at the closest, but that's in the far north of Norway and I would more so consider Svalbard as an Arctic destination rather than a Nordic destination.
Another possibility is to hold of E8 till 2024, and two years after we feature the nearby Archipelago Trail and do what we do with neighbouring destinations (as the closest points are closer than 80 km apart based on a quick google earth line). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:11, 20 April 2022 (UTC)
Comment: On the talk page, we have concluded that features on Wikitravel before 2012 should be seen as unofficial, and eligible to feature again on Wikivoyage. However, very few of the OtBP's of that time would make the cut today. Svalbard is one of few pre-2012 features which deserves its Guide status. Shall we nominate Svalbard itself? /Yvwv (talk) 12:20, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
I don't know to be fair. The Svalbard article is overall one of the best region articles we have on the English Wikivoyage, but only one of Svalbard's six national parks have an article. But if Svalbard is run again, it should be featured as dotm, not otbp, as it strikes me as absolutely absurd to feature one of the world's most famous islands as "off the beaten path" (and as it has regular flights from Oslo, it would bring it in line with Uluru-Kata Tjuta National Park which was a dotm).
That said, I'll start some of the national park articles soon, and five is not many to work on. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:33, 12 May 2022 (UTC)
Alternatively, we could consider Klaksvík, which is the only guide level article from the Faroe Islands as there have been zero features from the Faroes before. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:31, 22 May 2022 (UTC)
SO SO close I would remove a few images and make it so the climate box doesn't break the layout. Everything else looks really good. ButteBag (talk) 17:45, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

GuanajuatoEdit

Place: Guanajuato
Blurb: The capital of the namesake state in Mexico is known for its silver mines and flood tunnels. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: October to April to avoid rain and heat. October for Day of the Dead, or March for Baile de las Flores.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 12:40, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
Comment: We have no current nominees from Mexico, and few from Latin America. Nominating as OtBP, as it is not among the most famous Mexican destinations.

Nomination
 
  • Almost – this article is one of our best Mexican articles that could be featured as it is. However, the splurge section in Eat has no listings. Are there no splurge restaurants in Guanajuato? Otherwise, a few descriptions are needed for some listings, but otherwise it has all the essentials. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:48, 13 May 2022 (UTC)
  • Very close. A couple of listings are either poorly formatted or have no descriptions, but with minor fixes, I think this article will be ready for featuring as OtBP. That said, Guanajuato is one of the most famous tourist cities in Mexico and I would recommend featuring as a DOTM. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 14:17, 1 October 2022 (UTC)
    Not Yet: In the get around section "Tunnels" should maybe be "By tunnel"? Or combine with By foot/car/whatever is the best way for that tunnel? IDK. Or put them under "See"? A few See POIs should be expanded or cut. The Mercado Hidalgo listing under Eat has odd formatting. Also remove any unused main headers. ButteBag (talk) 17:53, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

KlaksvíkEdit

Place: Klaksvík
Blurb: Visit the Faroe Islands’ second largest town for some great scenery, a historic harbour and its annual summer festival, Summarfestivalurin. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: July for Summarfestivalurin (as it happens annually during early August.)
Nominated by: SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:29, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
Comment: First up, I'll admit I’m a bit biased given I started this article, but I’ve always wanted to feature this article ever since this became a guide article. We’ve never had a feature of the Faroe Islands, and often it’s forgotten and while I’m aware that we do have several Nordic nominations, this could replace Longyearbyen if we don’t want a back-to-back Norway/Sweden feature. That said, it does need some copyedits, and it could do with a better get in/around section. I tried to add a climate chart, but I couldn’t find any online information for the town's climate, but I’m not sure whether it’s needed given it’s only 40 km from Tórshavn, and there’s not much deviation in weather through the Faroes at all.

Nomination
 
What copy edits does it need after I made some today? I would have supported, but if you think it's not ready yet, why did you nominate it now? Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:53, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
I'll admit I only skimmed through the article after you copyedited it, but now that I've had a full re-read, I think it's good to go. I might expand the "get in" section, but we have more than a year to do this, but I think that's all that's needed for a feature. As for why I nominated it now, I nominated it now, I nominated it so we could reserve July/August 2023 for Klaksvik. Anyway, thanks for your copyedits. Looking much better now :-). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:00, 12 June 2022 (UTC)
  • Comment: Klaksvík narrowly meets the limit for creating a standalone article, with one hotel and at least three other venues, but can still be considered a bit too small. We could consider merging the article with Borðoy (the island) to include some smaller villages, mountains, birdwatching locations, and other points of interest. /Yvwv (talk) 08:58, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
    I'm a bit unsure on this one. I think it would make more sense to cover everything else on Borðoy in Northern Islands or otherwise it makes Borðoy (after renaming) a bit redundant. Maybe we should do something along the lines with Torshavn and Streymoy, where Torshavn only covers the city, while Streymoy (the rural area article) covers everything outside Torshavn (apologies for omitting the accent; can't get the accent on my keyboard). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:30, 15 June 2022 (UTC)
  • The article certainly looks long enough to stand alone, and recall that we previously featured and starred Childs, New York, which has but one inn and one sight (albeit a complex) in "See and Do". That said, there is no Borðoy article; the term redirects to Northern Islands. So if there's more to say about the island outside of town, we could rename the article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:29, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
    I think based on the regionalisation of the Faroes, towns that are large enough to have their own article can have so, while everything else gets mentioned in the relevant rural area article, so in this case, everything else in Borðoy would be mentioned in Northern Islands. But I'm not entirely sure though, but I assume it works that way due to how Torshavn and Streymoy are covered. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 13:34, 4 July 2022 (UTC)
The Northern Islands including Klaksvík has a total population of less than 8,000, and not too many venues and attractions for a whole article. I would vote for merging Klaksvík with the Northern Islands. We can compare another nominee, Cooch Behar, where the city proper has nearly 100,000 inhabitants, while the Cooch Behar district has nearly 3 million. Population alone does not define our geographic hierarchy, but it gives a clue about when a region or city should be split up. /Yvwv (talk) 18:56, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
I would oppose a merger for practical reasons. As Ikan Kekek mentioned, we have featured Childs, a tiny hamlet so population is not a standalone factor that should be taken into consideration. As for what makes it practical, the simple answer comes down to driving. Most of the Faroes are inaccessible by public transport – in this case, Klaksvik is but most other POIs in the Northern Islands are not. Additionally, many drivers (inc. myself) who are used to driving on the left are often uncomfortable with driving on the right – I would try and minimise car trips as much as possible but once we merge it with the Northern Islands, then it's somewhat hard to maintain that distinction. That's why I think Klaksvik and Torshavn should have their own articles but other smaller hamlets shouldn't. Ultimately, it's not about population or any other reason why I think it should have a standalone article. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 22:24, 3 September 2022 (UTC)
Also, Cooch Behar is not very comparable because the entire area surrounding it is urban. I would compare this to maybe Kosciuszko National Park, NSW or Fiordland National Park, Southland. Perisher (pop. 99) and Milford Sound (pop. 120) exist within these park articles because travellers often visit these specific areas before exploring the region as a whole. IIRC, when I was doing my research to write this article, the same can be said for Klaksvik. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 08:52, 4 September 2022 (UTC)
Support: the article is pretty short, but it seems like quite an interesting place. A little expansion in the lede and first understand paragraph would be a nice bonus. ButteBag (talk) 18:57, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

IquitosEdit

Place: Iquitos
Blurb: A metropolis in the Peruvian Amazon, with great opportunities for boat safaris. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: While the dry season (April-Sept) is more comfortable, the wet season (Oct-March) is more appealing for wildlife watching. We are short on features for northern winter, and we usually feature Latin American cities for carnival season.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 01:23, 22 June 2022 (UTC)
Comment: We haven't too many South American candidates, and this is a rather unusual city. Though its size, it can be considered off the beaten path for the difficulty to get there.

Nomination
 
  • Close-ish: Top half of the article is excellent! See needs some coords and a subhead or two. I don't understand the "Travelling by yourself" section. Maybe delete or move to a new "nearby" section. "Jungle tours and ecolodges" imho should be split into "Do" and "Sleep" sections? Or merged into the "Jungle lodges" under sleep. "Party and nightlife" should go in Drink. "Renting a vehicle" should go in Get around? The stuff about eating endangered animals, drinking Ayahuasca, etc should probably go in a respect/stay safe/stay healthy section. Sleep needs a few coords. This is a really good one that could be great with a little love. ButteBag (talk) 19:07, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
    I've schueduled this for June 2023, though if a lack of consensus emerges, we may have to feature Longyearbyen instead. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 11:15, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Stamford (England)Edit

Place: Stamford
Blurb: The United Kingdom's first urban conservation area features hundreds of Georgian buildings. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Northern summer. Not sure about public events.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 00:50, 22 July 2022 (UTC)
Comment: We have no current nominees from the Isles. Needs a more inspiring intro, and more pictures.

Nomination
 
  • Close I was actually going to nominate Fordingbridge sometime soon, but you beat me to nominating something from the British Isles. My only concern with this article is many of the eat, drink, and sleep descriptions seem quite bland. The article should also use the 12-hour clock per Talk:United Kingdom. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:09, 11 August 2022 (UTC)
We can consider running Fordingbridge instead. Are there any events or anniversaries that would make any of them more suitable? /Yvwv (talk) 23:14, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
Perhaps maybe the July-August slot for the Fordingbridge festival? @ThunderingTyphoons!:, given you wrote nearly all of the article, is there any particular time that you think Fordingbridge should be featured? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 08:01, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
No particular time as the New Forest is beautiful all year round, though I guess April-October would be preferable since most of the attractions are outside; I doubt the festival is big enough to be the reason for featuring.
Tbh, as much as I appreciate the recognition for a job well done on this article, geographical diversity would call for Stamford to be featured before Fordingbridge (which, like Farnborough, is in Hampshire, though of course the two are very different from one another). We've never featured somewhere in Lincolnshire before, and I'm even struggling to think of anywhere else in the English Midlands we've featured. Though it's true that from 'Eat' onwards, the article gets a bit colourless.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:23, 22 August 2022 (UTC)
I fixed the time formatting, but the article is woefully out of date. Ground Zero (talk) 02:53, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
Scheduled for May/June 2023. Please evaluate the article. /Yvwv (talk) 11:00, 26 September 2022 (UTC)
Super close: LOL you guys have a Stamford too!? The only thing holding this article back imho is that the lede/understand sections are too "choppy", reads like wikipedia. You don't need 5 quotes bro. Try to make it more prose-ified. Why should I care about Stamford? ButteBag (talk) 19:27, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
  • Oppose Stamford is lovely, but we should not feature an article where most of the listings are 4 years old or more. So many businesses closed for good during the lockdowns. All of the listings should be verified and updated before this proceeds. Ground Zero (talk) 02:52, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
    I have just been through all the Sleep and Buy listings, and apart from one chain store, they all appear to still be in business. The others will need to be verified, but I am not expecting major changes. AlasdairW (talk) 23:13, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
I've updated the coach and car park info, but there are still many listings dated 2018 that should be verified and updated before thus article is featured. Ground Zero (talk) 13:08, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

QuotesEdit

As ButteBag mentioned, the article does not need five whopping quotes. I've pasted the quotes below so we can decide. For one, the Sir John Betjeman can definitely go (definitely subjective and the least specific to Stamford), but I'm opinionless on the others.

  • "Stamfford town is as fine a built town all of stone as may be seen” — Celia Fiennes
  • "The finest sight on the road between Edinburgh and London" — Sir Walter Scott
  • "If there is a more beautiful town in the whole of England, I have yet to see it" — W. G. Hoskins
  • “The best town we have" — Sir John Betjeman
  • “The English country market town par excellence” — Nikolaus Pevsner

--SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 02:42, 9 November 2022 (UTC)

  • I don't know the place, but I like the quote from Sir Walter Scott best. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:31, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
  • That quote is my favourite too. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 05:38, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
    I think the Pevsner quote should be moved into the first para of See, and the Scott quote kept where it is. Pevsner Architectural Guides were the definitive mid-20th century guides to English architecture, and an inline quote would be fine. AlasdairW (talk) 23:03, 9 November 2022 (UTC)
Put on hold? There are considerations to run either London/Westminster or Monarchy of the United Kingdom for King Charles's coronation. If we run either of those, Stamford should wait, as we avoid running parallel features from the same country. /Yvwv (talk) 13:08, 10 November 2022 (UTC)

LiepājaEdit

Place: Liepāja
Blurb: Latvia's third largest city has beautiful wooden buildings, Soviet military installations, and a beautiful sandy beach. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Northern summer for weather. Not sure about events.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 11:03, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
Comment: Eastern Europe hasn't been featured a lot. Russia and Ukraine will be off limits for some time, but the Baltic states seem unlikely to be affected by the ongoing war; also decently safe, cheap, and accessible. The article needs a climate graph, and a more inspiring intro. We might get an overload of destinations for northern summer; hopefully we can scout out more places for other seasons.

Nomination
 
  • Needs work. Few eat, drink, and sleep listings have descriptions that is not to mention the lede and understand is rather short. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 11:18, 21 August 2022 (UTC)
  • Close: Needs a real lede, and the eat and drink listings should be blown out. Three maps is maybe too many for me, but that's subjective. I would like to see a few more good images. But overall this is extremely good! ButteBag (talk) 19:32, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Salem (Massachusetts)Edit

Place: Salem
Blurb: Home of the infamous 1692 Salem witch trials, visit during "spooky season" when the events calendar and fall foliage reach their zenith. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: October
Nominated by: ButteBag (talk) 16:53, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
Comment: I had the chance to visit several times this summer by car, train, boat, and bike. (Not that I stayed long, lol.) This is a charming New England seaside town, quite popular with tourists in the region. Totally get it if people would rather not feature (another) North American location.

Nomination
 
  • Basically support. We had Plymouth for Thanksgiving 2021, and it is about time to get back to Massachusetts for 2023. Needs safety info; maybe the witch trial story in the intro should be shortened. This seems to be one of few relevant destinations for Halloween, which gets increasingly popular outside the Anglosphere. /Yvwv (talk) 20:06, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
    • Added "stay safe" section to article. Added listing to Halloween. Did not chop witch trial story in understand section. The one paragraph is already short and it's talking about the primary reason people are interested in visiting. ButteBag (talk) 17:18, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
  • Strong support. I had an enjoyable time reading this article – certainly a great candidate for otbp. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 21:28, 6 October 2022 (UTC)

Navarre (Florida)Edit

Place: Navarre
Blurb: A calm beach town in the Florida Panhandle, famous for Jaws 2. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: The Florida panhandle has decent weather year round. But we consider to re-categorize Punta Arenas and find a replacement for Jan/Feb. Not sure about public events.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 16:00, 7 October 2022 (UTC)
Comment: Florida and the US South are under-featured. The article needs more safety info.

Nomination
 
  • Needs work. Many listings do not have contact info. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 01:29, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
    Actually, this seems doable. I probably should've done a full detailed analysis before !voting. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 13:03, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
    I took a first attempt at adding contact info, but many listings are still devoid of either essential contact info (e.g. phone numbers, urls, addresses) or are descriptionless. I'll try and finish adding them if possible, but I'm going to abstain !voting for now. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 01:23, 9 October 2022 (UTC)
  • Support pending updates to contact info. As for safety, I'm not sure what we'd need to include. I can't find any evidence of high crime rates or any other safety concerns. The hazards of the beach are already addressed in the article. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 13:13, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
Scheduled provisionally for Jan/Feb 2023, replacing Punta Arenas. If a place has low crime rate, it can be mentioned in brief, with the kind of risks which might still exist (rage driving, bar fights, etc). /Yvwv (talk) 13:35, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
  • Comment: This article still has many unaddressed issues, in particular, a lot of information has not been updated since 2018 (although I've updated it from eat onwards). Are we still okay with featuring it in January (less than 2 months left), or do we need another slot to replace Navarre? --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 10:22, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
    I'll see if I can try and get Oia (Greece) to otbp-standard if nobody is willing to fix the issues mentioned. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 11:03, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

Oia (Greece)Edit

Place: Oia
Blurb: One of Santorini's most iconic towns, famous for its volcanic cliffs. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any, though July and August might be too hot
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 11:39, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
Comment: Greece and the Eastern Mediterranean are under-featured. While Oia has many visitors for an "off the beaten path" destination, it is so small that the article can easily give a complete description of the town.

Nomination
 
  • Needs work. Many listings are devoid of coordinates. As I mentioned in the nomination above, this article is not otbp-standard; I will make it once I get some time, though – before the slot that's taken up by Navarre (Florida). --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 05:01, 18 November 2022 (UTC)

Tombstone Territorial ParkEdit

Place: Tombstone Territorial Park
Blurb: One of the Yukon's best-kept secrets contain rugged peaks, permafrost landforms and wildlife for kilometres on end. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Sometime during summer, preferably in the July slot that's currently vacant.
Nominated by: SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 08:47, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
Comment: I've always wanted to create an article for this park and finally created it yesterday – I've done everything that I could do make it otbp-standard. We've had zero features of the Yukon and only one feature from Northern Canada (Iqaluit, Nunavut).

As a side note, does anyone know any sites that I can go to in order to obtain a climate chart? Couldn't seem to find one, though I did find [1].

Nomination
 
  • Support as nominator. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 08:47, 19 November 2022 (UTC)
  • Support. I made some copy edits, all minor stuff, & think it would be good for others to look as well. Basically, though, the article seems solid to me. Pashley (talk) 07:25, 20 November 2022 (UTC)

Nominations for Featured travel topicEdit

Loop Art TourEdit

Place: Loop Art Tour
Blurb: Did you know that you can see some amazing modern art for free by taking a walk around downtown Chicago? (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Star (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Apr-Oct (from Magnificient Mile's and Bronzeville's nominations)
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 14:32, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
Comment: OK, as you probably all know, I don't like having articles sitting around here for longer than necessary (also it looks like some of the already nominated articles from the U.S. will still sit around here into 2022). But there has to be two years or more between articles from the same city, an article from Chicago was featured in April 2020, so the earliest possible slot for a Chicago article will thus be in April 2022. Now all, or almost, all districts from there are at guide or star status and could be run as DotM or OtBP, and as such Chicago together with Washington D.C. and San Francisco and perhaps some other cities, have high quality articles for DotM and OtBP for years to come.

But this is not the case when it comes to FTT; other than Peter Southwood's famous diving guides (speaking of which...in northern winter 2021-22 three years will have passed since one of those was featured, so it's time to nominated a new one soon) we don't have any other travel topics at star status - except for this one. So before a district of Chicago is nominated, I hereby nominate Loop Art Tour for FTT for some month in 2022.

As a star article, there shouldn't be anything to complain about when it comes to formatting or language. Though, a month or so before the article is featured we should check online that the artworks are still there.

Nomination
 
  • Support as nominator. --Ypsilon (talk) 14:33, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Almost The talk page says that one of the sculptures has been removed. It has been 8 years since any real update, and so I think it needs somebody to walk the route to confirm that everything is still there, and there are no new major attractions enroute that need a mention. The main sights should be markers, with wikidata links so the reader can find out more, or use a full page map. For an article on the main page, there should be links to relevant travel topics. AlasdairW (talk) 15:33, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
Nobody needs to walk the route, and we don't have any active Wikivoyagers in Chicago anyway. The status of the sculpture that's been removed can probably be determined by a Google search. If not, then just delete it from the itinerary. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 17:42, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
I might be wrong, but I think user:The dog2 is in Chicago. If not, you may not need an actual person to walk it, but the internet research should be more involved than you imply, per Alasdair's suggestions. Most readers will likely assume that featured articles have been thoroughly researched, and as recently as possible.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 18:58, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
There's also User:SewChicago, who unlike me is an actual local who was born and raised in Chicago. I'm currently based in Chicago, but I'm still a foreigner. I haven't really been going out recently thanks to the pandemic, but I'd be happy to go around a bit more after I get vaccinated. Unfortunately, I don't know when that will be. They're currently having a severe shortage of vaccine doses in Illinois, and things are just so disorganised here. It's kind of sad that what is supposed to be the best and greatest country in the history of mankind is bungling the vaccine rollout so badly, in contrast to how organised and competent the rollout has been in my native Singapore. The dog2 (talk) 19:05, 29 January 2021 (UTC)
Since the meat of the article has already been written, it shouldn't matter that you're not a native Chicagoan. But, yeah, any time later in the year that you feel safe to go out, your help would be much appreciated (and much needed, given that by the time this is featured, it'll be 10 years since it was last done). I don't expect to get the vaccine for months yet, but I am lucky enough to not be in a rush and don't envy anyone with a more urgent need. I'm just thankful that most of my older family members have all either had their first jab or have an appointment scheduled.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 20:20, 29 January 2021 (UTC)

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────By the way, I noticed that the Buckingham Fountain is missing from the tour. That would add some extra time, but if you want to look at art installations in Chicago, I'd recommend it. I actually prefer it to the Crown Fountain. The dog2 (talk) 00:39, 30 January 2021 (UTC)

Support. I haven't felt motivated to vote on nominations for features during the pandemic, but this is a star article, so I have full confidence that it'll be in great condition by the time it runs. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:22, 30 January 2021 (UTC)
  • Support. It's a star article. Unless it's degarded since starring, it deserves to be a DotM. --Nelson Ricardo (talk) 05:20, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
  • Support. As a star article there shouldn’t be too much to worry about regarding this one. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 18:45, 21 July 2021 (UTC)
Rescheduled for April/May. The article is good to go, and late April is sufficiently warm in Chicago. Ohio State Parks is delayed to June/July, as it needs some work, and is more of a summery destination. /Yvwv (talk) 10:48, 16 December 2021 (UTC)
I just noticed that if we schedule this in May, it will overlap with Homer for its last ten days. Is there any objections in switching Homer with Ingolstadt? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:16, 15 January 2022 (UTC)

Freedom of panorama issuesEdit

It seems that Commons does not have many images of the tour due to freedom of panorama, and as such there is barely any image selection to choose from and none of the images in the article work out as a banner to the dimensions of 3:1. We can only feature it if someone finds a photo that can be uploaded locally that works as a banner, or else we might have to slush it due to the lack of banner (which nobody would like to do). --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:44, 19 March 2022 (UTC)

On hold due to lack of images. /Yvwv (talk) 12:46, 20 March 2022 (UTC)
@Yvwv: It may be the most strangest reasons, but should this be slushed? As far as I'm aware, Wikivoyage needs to comply with US and Californian law as the servers are hosted in California, and the freedom of panorama issue is not going to change anytime soon and so until that is ever resolved, this can never be a featured article unless the law somehow changes. (cc nominator @Ypsilon:). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:12, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
There are photos on Commons of the Bean (Cloud Gate) and I have a couple of my own photos of it. The question is whether we can claim editorial use for a main page banner rather than an image in the article next to text describing the artwork - it might be good to mention the specific artwork in the blurb. The BP Bridge has a functional purpose and so may not be affected by US FOP. I can't make a banner at the moment, but I will take a look next week. AlasdairW (talk) 10:50, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
If you have some photos which are not affected by FoP, I guess we don't have to slush it then. However, this is on hold, and will probably only run in November, so there's plenty of time. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:01, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
Are all of the artworks mentioned in the article copyrighted, if there's a single one that is not we could use a photo of that as banner if such a photo is available. How about the picture the article's banner is cropped from? Or if there's no artwork we could use, we could just use a view along the itinerary that wouldn't include any of the artworks (shouldn't be a problem to find photos as we're talking about central parts of U.S's third largest city?). --Ypsilon (talk) 12:13, 21 March 2022 (UTC)
Fixed. There are two banners to choose from, showing the BP Bridge which is a functional structure that should be free of FOP concerns. AlasdairW (talk) 14:38, 17 June 2022 (UTC)

German cuisineEdit

Place: German cuisine
Blurb: While Germany is famous for meat dishes with cheese, bread and beer, their cuisine is cosmopolitan with flavours from the whole world. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: All months have their signature dishes, but Germany is best enjoyed at summer.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 20:48, 21 September 2021 (UTC)
Comment: Meets the expectations of a cuisine article, with Bavarian cuisine and Franconian cuisine as appendices.

Nomination
 
Scheduled for mushroom season, just before Oktoberfest and Erntedankfest. /Yvwv (talk) 21:34, 2 November 2021 (UTC)
  • Support: I don't have the time or energy to reread this article in its entirety right now (I feel fluish from side effects from a COVID booster I got Thursday afternoon), but I've helped copy-edit this article before and I think it's great. I especially like all the seasons set out by month, because they're so important in Germany. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:59, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
On hold, as Georgian cuisine is an even better article, and we will have enough German features now. /Yvwv (talk) 15:01, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
Scheduled for November to December, with Christmas fairs. If we find three food and drink topics to be too much for a year, we can consider rescheduling. /Yvwv (talk) 23:43, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
On hold again to feature in 2023. /Yvwv (talk) 10:50, 23 April 2022 (UTC)
@Yvwv: A continuation of the thread in #Georgian cuisine, but should this article still be featured for Oktoberfest, now that we have German beer and wine? I don't really have much of an opinion on the timing, but if there are other famous times of the year known for food, then we should consider it, though just a suggestion, as I don't know much about German cuisine, and I'd defer to both of you. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:24, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
As said before, the Oktoberfest isn't that much of a culinary event, but mostly suggested for its world fame. This article can feature any time of the year when we do not have too many features about Germany or food. Georgian cuisine got priority since it is even better, and we have had very few features from the Caucasus. /Yvwv (talk) 11:38, 3 May 2022 (UTC)
That makes sense, and based on your reasoning, I now don't have a problem with featuring it in Oktober. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:49, 3 May 2022 (UTC)

E8 through Finland and NorwayEdit

Place: Destination
Blurb: From Turku to Tromsø, European route E8 passes through various types of Finnish and Norwegian landscapes. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: May to June for the Midnight Sun, or April to August
Nominated by: SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:22, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
Comment: We don't feature itineraries that much, and this seems a good candidate for sometime next year.

Nomination
 
  • Comment: We hopefully have the Archipelago Trail in May–June, and if this is to be featured in (Nordic) summer, to avoid darkness and icy roads, I think it comes too close. Perhaps 2022 2023? If for some reason there are problems with the Archipelago Trail this could of course be a backup. –LPfi (talk) 10:56, 20 October 2021 (UTC)
I introduced the guideline that a nomination should be intended to feature within the coming 12 months. This is more a requirement for quality, than for available spots. We should preferrably have a backlog of nominated high-quality articles, so we can afford to choose the most suitable article, with regard to factors such as climate, holidays, public events and safety. /Yvwv (talk) 15:03, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
May to June would be a great time to feature, for the Midnight Sun. That would make us wait until 2023, unless we run E8 instead of the Archipelago Trail. /Yvwv (talk) 21:13, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
I'd prefer to keep this until 2023, since the Archipelago Trail is more developed than this one. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:56, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
I agree, but I take the opportunity to ask: what should be done to improve this article, except developing the listed articles, and perhaps doing some more research on the bus and bike options? –LPfi (talk) 09:37, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
In my opinion, nothing major needs to be done, at least from what I've noticed (more specific to this article), but maybe an infobox or two would be nice, but we've plenty of guide and star articles without them. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:59, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
For May-June 2023 we can also consider Swedish Empire, during the 500th anniversary of Sweden's independence. That article also has several destinations in Finland. /Yvwv (talk) 15:52, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
Yes. This road isn't going to disappear in the near future, it can be featured any year. If we get somebody writing about the Ostrobothnian destinations before that, it'd be a big bonus. I know them only superficially. –LPfi (talk) 16:39, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
  • Support. The article is great overall, though it should be proofread by a native English speaker for better flow in the language. /Yvwv (talk) 17:39, 22 December 2021 (UTC)
  • Support, although I'd like more eyes on the article. I notice that the first empty slot is June 2023, which would be ideal. Of the linked places along the route and suggested sidetrips, it seems most are usable and several guides, half a dozen are redlinks and half a dozen outlines. I don't think a traveller needs to stop at destinations without usable articles. The biking option might need to be checked at some point, I just followed the cycleways and roads on the map and tried to judge their usability – but there is an Eurovelo route more or less along this itinerary. –LPfi (talk) 15:26, 3 October 2022 (UTC)
    If the Swedish Empire is featured in May, this should probably be postponed. Comments on how to improve it are welcome. –LPfi (talk) 07:40, 10 October 2022 (UTC)

ChristianityEdit

Place: Christianity
Blurb: The world's most prolific religion has more than 2 billion followers, and churches and shrines on all continents. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Preferably around Christmas or Easter.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 22:03, 7 November 2021 (UTC)
Comment: A fine travel topic to schedule for the holidays. We have had very few religious features.

Nomination
 
  • Support, but hold it, I feel it might be too close to Rome/Vatican, but when you mean "for the holidays", you mean Christmas, right? Maybe 2023 Easter, but I don't have too much issues with it being featured in December 2022. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:55, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
We have Rome/Vatican on hold. Jerusalem/Old City is a decent candidate. Exodus of Moses needs work. That will keep us a few Easters forward. /Yvwv (talk) 19:08, 25 November 2021 (UTC)
@Yvwv: if that's the case, then support. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:40, 2 December 2021 (UTC)
  • Support on the basis another religion or religious culture is nominated for FTT by the time this one is featured. Judaism looks like the likeliest candidate right now but Islam, Buddhism, and Hinduism are also all close to guide status and could be considered to increase diversity in our FTT nominations. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 00:20, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Hajj is not yet rated Guide, but it looks close to me. Pashley (talk) 16:01, 12 February 2022 (UTC)
    I've scheduled this for March 2023 so this can be featured during Easter. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 22:51, 3 September 2022 (UTC)

Portuguese phrasebookEdit

Place: Portuguese phrasebook
Blurb: Heading to Portugal, Angola, Cape Verde or another Lusophone country for carnaval? Some Portuguese phrases may be useful. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Sometime in early 2023, one year after the Sinhala phrasebook
Nominated by: SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:39, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
Comment: Currently being nominated for star article which should be promoted any day now. It's one of the only phrasebooks where we have audio pronunciations, thanks to the hard work of Nelson Ricardo 2500, and now it's time for that effort to be shown on the main page.

Nomination
 
  • Very very close a bit more images would be nice. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:39, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
  • Thank you for the nomination. I've added a few more images. Given my contributions to this phrasebook, it goes with saying (but I'll say it anyway) that I Support it for Featured Travel Topic. --Nelson Ricardo (talk) 19:00, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
  • First of all, this looks better than any other phrasebook I've seen on this site, and I especially love that there are speech samples we can listen to for everything, so I definitely support. I have a couple of marginal comments: (1) There is a remark that Portuguese descends from Galician. To my understanding, modern Galician and Portuguese instead descend from w:Galician-Portuguese. My other comment is that the thumbnail chart of international phonetics seems too small to be useful to include, even to make the point the caption makes, but I wouldn't try to insist on removing it. Also, perhaps some of the other thumbnails are a little smaller than necessary. I don't know Portuguese, but this seems like it might be a star-level phrasebook. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:54, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
    Thank you, IK. I have clarified re Galician-Portuguese. I have added a note to the caption on the IPA chart that it can be clicked to enlarge, since many casual readers won't know that. (I definitely want to keep the chart in, since the article uses IPA as a supplement to pseudo-phoneticization and sound files.) All images are at default size, which allows users to specify their own desired thumbnail size at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering. I prefer to not override those user preference settings. --Nelson Ricardo (talk) 20:29, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
  • Thank you. I'm good with your decisions. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:38, 14 November 2021 (UTC)
@Ikan Kekek: to "it might be a star-level phrasebook", it's why it's currently nominated for a star ;) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:47, 15 November 2021 (UTC)
Northern winter would be good timing, as most Portuguese-speaking countries are tropical, and Portugal itself is among the mildest countries in Europe. /Yvwv (talk) 16:12, 16 November 2021 (UTC)
@Yvwv: Northern summer works for countries like Portugal, Angola, Mozambique, Timor-Leste et cetera, but northern summer is typhoon season in Macau. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:48, 21 November 2021 (UTC)
  • I just realized, I never offered my support for featuring this phrasebook. It would be silly for me not to do so, seeing how I support its promotion to star status. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:49, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
Scheduled provisionally for Dec 2022/Jan 2023. /Yvwv (talk) 13:21, 25 January 2022 (UTC)
Rescheduled for Nov 2022/Dec 2023. We have some tradition to feature phrasebooks at the beginning of the year, but nothing is set in stone. /Yvwv (talk) 23:04, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
I guess that works climate-wise too as the storm season in Timor hits more after January. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:11, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
Rescheduled for Jan/Feb, as customary for phrasebooks, right before carnival season in many Portuguese-speaking countries. /Yvwv (talk) 23:52, 28 March 2022 (UTC)

Land Art Trail on Mount UčkaEdit

Place: Land Art Trail on Mount Učka
Blurb: A mountain at the Adriatic Sea has become an outdoor art gallery. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Weather is probably best in May-June or September-October
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 16:49, 5 December 2021 (UTC)
Comment: We have had very few features from the Balkans, and none from Croatia. Outdoor attractions can be more compatible with the pandemic.

Nomination
 
Scheduled provisionally in Oct/Nov 2022. /Yvwv (talk) 21:31, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
  • Support as one of our quirkier and well-planned itinerary articles. I noticed this article some time ago and remember it being well-written and organized. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 00:15, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Comment: I didn't feel up to reading all the way through the article, but am I the only one who finds the "Understand" section overly preachy? I did edit it somewhat - the use of "man" and male pronouns for humanity is very old-fashioned and kind of jarring, at least for many Americans - but just how much do we need to push an idea of how to experience that trail? My feeling is that we definitely should state what the author's intention is, but we can then let people experience it however they do and go on to practical descriptions and advice on how to get from Point A to Point B, etc. I'll try posting a briefer alternative version of that section on the article's talk page later. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:08, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
Done. Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:20, 3 January 2022 (UTC)
Also, having just recently discussed about images in Talk:Canadian national parks, are the galleries a violation of the image policy? Per Wikivoyage:Image policy#Montages and galleries, "should only be considered for showing multiple examples of a specific topic (for example, in describing flora and fauna or cuisine – but not attractions). Image galleries should not be used solely as a way to include a large number of different pictures in a destination article". This isn't a destination article, but it is depicting attractions. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:08, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
I'd say the composite image at the top definitely violates the prohibition against montages and should be removed. Some of the galleries, such as the one that shows two views of the same spiral geograph, are not needed. Most of the rest seem OK to me, since this is not a destination article, as you said, but an itinerary in which it may be necessary to recognize every artwork. The Sentinel picture is problematic per WV:Image policy#People in photos, though. I'm not sure we should do anything about that. "Land Art Trail on Mt. Učka in winter" doesn't need a gallery; one image could do it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:09, 19 March 2022 (UTC)
Okay, anyway we have about 7 months left to fix this up so nothing urgent, but we can't feature an article that blatantly violates WV:IP though. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:00, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
I made a few edits in the last few days, but we should make decisions about whether it's appropriate for this article to violate Wikivoyage:Image policy#Minimal use of images. I think that the density of images and the galleries still violate those guidelines, and while that might be OK as an exception, featuring this article carries strong risks that readers will believe this is exemplary in that respect and copy it in ordinary destination articles. Are the descriptions of the artworks clear enough that we can reduce the number of images to a more limited selection that excludes some of the works, eliminating the galleries with the possible exception of "Signposts and markings on the Land Art Trail" and creating 3 times more space on the right margin between most images, as we would be likely to do in any other article? Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:36, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
Yeah, we should take extra care that featured articles as many new users look up to them to see how they're meant to be formatted and usually think that format is okay. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:23, 28 March 2022 (UTC)
I'd assume the trail markings are enough to find the artworks, and they seem to be named on the map, so I think the images are needed more for telling the reader what to expect than for use on the trail. For that it is enough to have examples, and perhaps a few that give examples on how you can "use" the artwork. –LPfi (talk) 10:00, 29 March 2022 (UTC)
It sounds like you guys are agreeable with removing the rest of the galleries and having only single thumbnails; is that correct? If so, let's make the changes. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:42, 4 April 2022 (UTC)
Yes, go ahead. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:50, 7 April 2022 (UTC)
I just removed the remainder of the galleries, other than the one with markings and signposts, which might be OK. The article still might violate Wikivoyage:Image policy#Minimal use of images, though. What do you all think? Should we delete half the remaining images? Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:18, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
There are still way too many images and I feel very skeptical of featuring an article that's a blatant violation of a simple Wikivoyage policy. Leaving the images may also encourage new editors to well, add a whole slew of galleries because a featured article contained them. Feel free to delete half the remaining images. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:21, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
How is it now? Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:24, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
Looking much better! However, I think the signposts/markings gallery should also go too. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 02:25, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
Let's talk about that. From Wikivoyage:Image policy: "Image galleries are discouraged, and should only be considered for showing multiple examples of a specific topic (for example, in describing flora and fauna or cuisine – but not attractions)." How does that apply to signposts/markings? Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:40, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
I thought the reason why we discouraged such galleries was because these chew up data and are slow to load, especially in places with poor reception. The reason why I'm okay with these in cuisine articles is because nobody prints these out, and many will read these articles before they're going to that destination (e.g. if I'm going to say Franconia, I would read Franconian cuisine before leaving to Franconia, but I wouldn't print it out, nor would I want to read it in Franconia)
Also, from experience last Saturday (18 June), just the map in Telangana took at least 10 seconds to load while I was on the road with poor 4G signal. If that one image took so long to load, then how long do you think it'll take for the gallery to load? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:09, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
I was thinking of it as a matter of style, and I see your point. So maybe select 1 or 2 of the best images from that bunch to use as thumbnails, possibly deleting another one in the process. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:24, 29 June 2022 (UTC)
On hold until issues are settled. /Yvwv (talk) 09:39, 30 August 2022 (UTC)
Slush? This nomination has quietly been sitting since June. The last remaining gallery issue will likely remain unsolved as the reasons for keeping the gallery equal the reasons for removing it. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 07:08, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
I feel like the number of images are OK now. However, I would not object to someone selecting one or two photos from that gallery and deleting the gallery, and I don't think anyone else will object. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:27, 4 November 2022 (UTC)
I removed the gallery and kept two images. With my browser window width (which seems to be the minimum for the pagebanner menu to work), there is now one to three images per screenful, likewise with Vector-2022 (the to-be (?) default skin) and maximised window. With maximised window and Monobook, there are still a bit too many images at the start of Walk, but I don't think that's a major issue. –LPfi (talk) 09:46, 5 November 2022 (UTC)
I moved one image up for slightly better spacing. What are people thinking of this article now; should we run it? Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:19, 5 November 2022 (UTC)

Quebec Route 389Edit

Place: Quebec Route 389
Blurb: (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: I don't know, but I would say sometime during the northern summer months? Will defer to either @Ground Zero: who wrote most of the article or @Veillg1:, our most active contributor from Quebec. July or August
Nominated by: SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:06, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
Comment: This article has been one of my "articles for inspiration" in my early days on this site, and it's a pretty detailed article. More recently, I've added a mapline to the article too, one of only a few articles on this site to have one. Cannot see anything missing from here as well.

Nomination
 
  • Support as nominator. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:31, 17 December 2021 (UTC)
  • Support as a July or August destination. Ground Zero (talk) 13:13, 21 December 2021 (UTC)
  • Close. I think it needs more detail about the route. Why would someone want to visit these places? What makes each place along the route interesting and connects them to each other? However this is well on its way to being an FTT feature. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 00:25, 2 January 2022 (UTC)
  • I agree with this. Very good information, but we need a bit more macro-level context. Is this mainly just a challenge, or is it a really beautiful drive, even if desolate? Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:08, 28 June 2022 (UTC)

Swedish EmpireEdit

Place: Swedish Empire
Blurb: In the 17th century, Sweden encircled the Baltic Sea and had farflung possessions; today, they are yours to explore. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Weather is best in northern summer. May/June 2023 would include the 500th anniversary of independent Sweden, and give the customary 24 month cooldown time since a feature from a neighboring destination (Stockholm history tour, featured in May 2021).
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 15:49, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
Comment: A history article which both includes a concise historical description, and many relevant destinations with Wikidata links and descriptions. While most of them are in today's Sweden and Finland, some are in less featured regions such as Eastern Europe, the Caribbean, and West Africa.

Nomination
 
  • Needs some work. I did a bit of copy editing, but the entire article is likely to need some edits by native English speakers for some polish before we run it. Also, can we substitute some other word for "withe", which although English is a term I'd never seen before just now? Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:17, 21 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Needs work per Ikan. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:00, 22 January 2022 (UTC)
I had a reread of the article, and I don't think there are that much issues with the tone anymore and therefore, I now support featuring the article for the 500th anniversary. The 0,0 coord issue also seems to be resolved, and so really, I don't think there's anything that's missing. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:20, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
Comment: The history section has been completely rewritten since the nomination. The timeline and the trivia sections are less prominent. Please reconsider votes. /Yvwv (talk) 11:40, 25 February 2022 (UTC)
I don't know if the phrase I put after a semicolon is too cliched, but I found the previous wording of the blurb awkward. For the record, this was the previous phrasing: "A great power of the 17th century encircled the Baltic Sea, and reached far overseas, with a legacy surviving far outside Sweden's current borders." Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:49, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
Scheduled for May/June 2023. /Yvwv (talk) 11:01, 26 September 2022 (UTC)

Indira Gandhi International AirportEdit

Place: Indira Gandhi International Airport
Blurb: Indira Gandhi International Airport is the main airport of India’s capital, New Delhi. Has great connectivity to numerous destinations. The interiors of the airport are stunning. It houses numerous shops and other facilities. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: March-June for summer season, November-February for festivals and winter.
Nominated by: 2006nishan178713t@lk 11:13, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
Comment: I have visited the airport several times. In the past few days, I have edited it and upgraded it to guide status. It does have amazing interior designs. This guide now provides a full-view of the airport operations and services.

Nomination
 
  • Support as nominator. 2006nishan178713t@lk 11:16, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Needs more work. I don't deny you've done good work on this article, but I couldn't help but notice that some of the sentences used in the article don't present the airport in a good light. Case in point, in the "Eat" section, it was mentioned that some of the restaurants "are mediocre at best". I changed it to something better sounding. Roovinn (talk) 12:09, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
@Roovinn: If "mediocre at best" is true, then that's what we should say. WV:Be fair means "be honest"; it doesn't mean "paint everywhere in a good light".--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 12:54, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
Fair enough I suppose. Roovinn (talk) 13:51, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
I have been to the airport several times, and I have tried to be as honest as possible while contributing to the guide. :) 2006nishan178713t@lk 16:49, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
@SHB2000, @Ikan Kekek, @Ground Zero what do you think? 2006nishan178713t@lk 16:58, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
Per Wikivoyage:Be fair, I'd mention it. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:10, 28 January 2022 (UTC)
@Tai123.123, what's your opinion on this? 2006nishan178713t@lk 17:52, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
Absolutely. If Wikivoyage recommended restaurants that sucked, I'd be mad. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:54, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
I have written "but many are mediocre at best" which gives a general conception about some restaurants. In the listings, I have tried to put the restaurants all with good and positive reviews. I have avoided restaurants that really suck. 2006nishan178713t@lk 06:16, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
2006nishan178713, if the restaurants that are listed are good, that needs to be mentioned, for example like this: "Each terminal has plenty of restaurant options before and after security, but many are mediocre at best. However, the ones listed below are good." Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:04, 28 June 2022 (UTC)
  • Support - Looks good and up-to-date. The writing is tight, concise and grammatically correct.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 12:59, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Close per above. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 21:11, 27 January 2022 (UTC)
  • Support The only thing I feel is missing are ways to access the airport from nearby cities like Agra which lack international airports of their own Tai123.123 (talk) 19:49, 29 January 2022 (UTC)
    @Tai123.123, I'll add it 2006nishan178713t@lk 05:40, 30 January 2022 (UTC)
    In many cases the Get in of those other cities should handle it. Only if there is something general to say about transport from the airport to other cities, I feel it needs to be in the airport article. That could be a train line or coaches with direct services to cities elsewhere, where the existence of such services and the location of the stations should be in the airport article. –LPfi (talk) 11:53, 14 March 2022 (UTC)
    Working on it! 2006nishan178713t@lk 09:30, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
    Yeah I meant cities with direct connections, probably could've worded my prior message much better. Tai123.123 (talk) 09:39, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
    Like agra has direct road and rail connection while noida has direct routes via metro 2006nishan178713t@lk 09:50, 15 March 2022 (UTC)
  • Support. Has the essentials. Could be a feature soon, as India is very under-featured. /Yvwv (talk) 21:39, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
    Would also be nice to feature an airport article after so long. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:59, 24 March 2022 (UTC)
Scheduled for December 2022/January 2023, avoiding collision with Cooch Behar. /Yvwv (talk) 23:01, 27 March 2022 (UTC)
  • Support. Excellent example of an article that uses brevity to best effect, providing critical information directly to the traveler. This is a well-written article with all the essential details. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 11:08, 15 May 2022 (UTC)

Rail travel in JapanEdit

Place: Destination
Blurb: With trains over 320 km/h and a network of 27,000 km, rail travel is one of the most efficient ways to get around Japan. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: March-June 2023
Nominated by: SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:33, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
Comment: This is possibly one of our best rail articles we have so far, and also one of our most detailed rail articles. As we have two articles featured from Japan, around 2023 would be the ideal time, around northern spring. With that said, some dead links need to be fixed.

Nomination
 
  • Close per my comment. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:33, 12 March 2022 (UTC)
  • Support. Has all the essentials. /Yvwv (talk) 12:41, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
  • Support. I last used trains in Japan in October 2005, so I can't comment on all the details, but it looked good and fairly complete. It might have a little more about what the trains are like inside - I was surprised to find that all the seats face forward (except on commuter trains), as the seats are turned around at the terminal stations. AlasdairW (talk) 23:13, 22 March 2022 (UTC)
  • Close I don't think the joyful train section should be part of the overnight train section as there are many non luxury joyful trains that don't run overnight, I feel this section could also mention other notable joyful trains like the Resort Shirakami or Hello kitty Shinkansen. Tai123.123 (talk) 07:22, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
Also I wish the regional rail pass section was longer. Tai123.123 (talk) 07:24, 23 March 2022 (UTC)
@Tai123.123: Though I'm not sure whether the joyful trains should even be mentioned though. I don't think any of our other "rail" articles mention tourist trains, as these are more supposed to be articles for getting around Japan by train, but this seems to be an outlier. That said, it is very useful information, so I don't see any reason to remove it, though I don't know much about Japan's train system (or any train system outside of Australia's and Singapore's), so I'd defer to you. On another note, while we're at joyful trains, are these synonymous with tourist trains, or do they have a different meaning? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:16, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
Yeah, joyful trains are tourist trains. Perhaps it may be to create a Joyful Trains in Japan travel topic as they’re very popular with both domestic and international visitors. Tai123.123 (talk) 14:57, 2 May 2022 (UTC)
Preferably Joyful trains in Japan per wv:capitalization ;-) --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:52, 7 May 2022 (UTC)
  • Support, with a caveat: some parts of the article are really detailed and I'm concerned that the casual visitor will get snowed under an avalanche of trivia. I'm not sure how we can go about fixing this though, since the train system is pretty complicated. Jpatokal (talk) 08:07, 5 October 2022 (UTC)

Driving in South AfricaEdit

Place: Driving in South Africa
Blurb: As South Africa lacks a good public transport network and many of its attractions are in rural areas, driving is recommended. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: 2023 southern winter.
Nominated by: SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:03, 17 April 2022 (UTC)
Comment: We haven't had a driving article featured for some time and this one seems in good shape to go. I'd expect that by 2023 mid-winter, the damage caused by recent floods would have been cleaned up.

Nomination
 
  • Support. I think this is a thorough article with detailed but reliable information. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 11:13, 15 May 2022 (UTC)
Scheduled for February-March 2023. /Yvwv (talk) 19:40, 26 June 2022 (UTC)
@Pbsouthwood: Do you think anything important is missing in this article? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:52, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
Looks pretty good to me in general. One thing that is missing is what the correct procedure is/should be at mini circles. I think part of the problem with them is that many/most drivers actually don't know what to do and some just assume they have right of way because there is nothing obvious saying that they don't, or because the vehicle ahead did not stop. I approach them as accidents waiting to happen, preferably to someone else. Cheers • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 07:01, 18 July 2022 (UTC)
Are mini circles just mini-roundabouts? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:52, 18 July 2022 (UTC)

Time of featureEdit

I just noticed that this article has been rescheduled for December from Feb–Mar, but I don't exactly agree with this. It usually exceeds well over 35 °C (95 °F), particularly in the provinces closer to Namibia and Botswana (Northern Cape and North West Province). Autumn or spring would be a much better time to feature this, not in the middle of southern summer. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 09:07, 11 November 2022 (UTC)

@Pbsouthwood:, your thoughts on this? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 07:28, 12 November 2022 (UTC)
People drive on the roads all year. I don't see any specific time of year as more relevant than any other. There are more tourists in summer I think, but that probably varies from place to place, and while there are preferred seasons for specific regions and destinations, driving is not restricted to any of them. • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 18:05, 13 November 2022 (UTC)

Aviation history in the United StatesEdit

Place: Aviation history in the United States
Blurb: Since the Wright Brothers launched their Flyer on 3rd December 1903, America has been a world leader in aviation. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Most air shows are held during northern summer, but Nov/Dec 2023 will be the 120th anniversary of the Wright Flyer.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 09:11, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
Comment: Aviation history featured in Nov/Dec 2020, and we have soon had the recommended 24 month cooldown for thematically similar articles. The article needs a more inspiring intro and understand section.

Nomination
 
  • Support per my talk page remarks. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 09:27, 23 September 2022 (UTC)
  • Close. I think the sites should be organized into categories based on their type, and some more information in the Understand section would help travelers better understand the context: why these sites were created, how they are operated, and what they include. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 13:52, 2 October 2022 (UTC)

Belgian coast by tramEdit

Place: Belgian coast by tram
Blurb: Did you know you can explore almost the whole Belgian coast - it's beaches, towns and monuments - by tram? (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: May-Sep probably for warm and nice weather
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 18:45, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
Comment: A while ago I requested this article and thanks to Wauteurz we now have a guide article so detailed and informative that definitely needs to get on the Main Page. Next summer maybe?

Nomination
 
  • Support as it already is, though the author intends to improve the article still. --Ypsilon (talk) 18:45, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
  • Support as the main author of the article. Featuring in the June or July slot would be ideal, since a fair amount of attractions and sights are only available during summer months (July and August specifically). -- Wauteurz (talk) 19:51, 2 October 2022 (UTC)
  • Support. This has got to be one of the best itinerary articles I've read. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 21:35, 6 October 2022 (UTC)
  • Support. Couldn't be more detailed. Thank you Wauteurz! --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 13:01, 8 October 2022 (UTC)

Mount Kosciuszko summit trailsEdit

Place: Mount Kosciuszko summit trails
Blurb: Climbing a Seven Summit can be a real challenge, but the world's shortest Seven Summit at only 2,228 metres, is the equivalent of your Sunday afternoon stroll. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Anytime of the year, preferably in autumn (Mar–May) before the peak snow season.
Nominated by: SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 04:06, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
Comment: Given that Australian cuisine was recently slushed, here's an article from Australia. I wrote this earlier this year so most of the information here is still very up-to-date and recent enough. I'm willing to make any adjustments as necessary.

Nomination
 
  • Support as nominator. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 04:06, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
  • Support. Excellent, entertaining itinerary article. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 13:00, 8 October 2022 (UTC)
  • Basically support. Has the essentials. Could use pronunciation, and advice on whether a tour guide would be needed. /Yvwv (talk) 12:13, 10 October 2022 (UTC)
    Have added the pronunciation in the lede from enwiki. It's supposed to sound exactly how Tadeusz Kościuszko's surname is pronounced, but most Australians butcher Kościuszko's surname. A tour guide isn't needed – I'll add that in the article. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 01:53, 15 October 2022 (UTC)

Cycling in the United StatesEdit

Place: Cycling in the United States
Blurb: With greatly expanded infrastructure since the onset of COVID, the most difficult part of cycling in America is deciding where to go. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Year round
Nominated by: ButteBag (talk) 00:48, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Comment: Speedy slushed a few weeks ago, I've asked on the pub and at Requests for comment pages, and got one response that this was at guide level. This topic interests me, and I spent a good deal of time breaking out the content into something digestible. It's kind of an armchair travel/bucket-list/thought starter type of article if you think that's interesting enough to be featured. The content is pretty evergreen. I won't spam you again with this, thanks!

Nomination
 
  • Before I voice my support, I do question this:

    Racism — Sadly, the United States can be a racist place, and BIPOC cyclists should do additional research into their route. Cycling tends to be seen as a "white space", which will impact the amount of discrimination you experience. There are unfortunately no high-quality national resources for "biking while Black".

I interpret the second sentence as only Blacks being targeted, but what if you're of any other race? I haven't cycled in the US before, so I don't know the answer to this, but would I as someone who is not white nor black be victimised by racism? FWIW, I frequently take my bike out and ride for around 60–100 km (37–62 mi) from where I live and have never been a target for racism in my home city whilst cycling. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 07:36, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
Is the cyclist community in general a more racist one than the one for motorists, public transit riders, taxi drivers, or any other sector of American society? Are specific ethnic groups targeted? United States of America#Racism has a very different point of view, mentioning East Asians and Russians as particularly vulnerable. Without dismissing any of them, or anyone's personal experience of racism, the section should be more contextual. /Yvwv (talk) 16:58, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
  • I think there should be an Understand section, summarising the availability of cycling infrastructure, attitudes of drivers etc. The intro gives the impression that USA is a biking heaven – that's OK for the intro, but you should get readers down to earth before going into details, as I've understood that's not quite the complete picture. –LPfi (talk) 07:56, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
    There is some jargon adding to the lively style but making it hard for people like me (second language speaker). What is "a quick RSVP", what is "Hang back and let them do whatever"? I also think some things should be explained more thoroughly; e.g. the article says you should keep away from the door zone of parked cars, but I'd be afraid of getting under the next bus or truck from behind. Can you trust other traffic to keep clear? What happens if you use your right to take a lane, will the drivers behind you be happy to slow down?
    The urban cycling images (Black Canyon Trail, Old Colony Nature Pathway, Colchester Causeway) do not look urban to me. I assume the point is that there are nice trails near cities, but urban cycling to me is getting around the cities themselves. Can you reach your hostel by safe routes? Should the trails go to Trails, perhaps split up into long distance trails and day trip trails in or close to cities.
    The quoted fee of $220 for taking your bike across the country is quite hefty. I would rather hire locally, or buy one at the destination. How widely are those options available? What about cheap used bikes?
    LPfi (talk) 08:27, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
    My experience of the U.S. is that suburban or rural cycling is the best, while due to the prevalence of cars and jam-packed interstate routes, urban cycling is a nightmare. Of all the American cities I've known, I'm not aware of one that would be an enjoyable place to cycle. In Europe, where cycle lanes often take priority over automobile lanes, urban cycling is probably more enjoyable.
    Your second paragraph is why I wouldn't cycle in urban areas: most roads have cycling routes because the law mandates it or for PR, but they're virtually unusable in fact. Instead, upscale suburban areas have bike trails in their exurbs, which are perfect cycling destinations. So this should be clarified in the article, in my opinion.
    As mentioned above, obviously minorities should take caution. Suburbs should be safe for everyone, but urban areas and rural areas would be of more concern. Common sense should be able to guide this, though.
    Additionally many roads in my local area don't have enough crosswalks, and people without cars (most of whom are minorities) run a high risk of not being spotted crossing a street at night, whether they're pedestrians or cyclists. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 19:01, 12 October 2022 (UTC)
  • Needs work. Except issues already mentioned, selection of destinations is far too narrow, and the article does not say a lot about cycling in the country as a whole. There is potential to create elaborate articles on states and regions, such as cycling in Colorado or cycling in California. /Yvwv (talk) 12:20, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
    Thanks for your time reviewing and commenting everyone! I know you've got other things you'd rather be working on, so it means a lot to me. I've made a few quick updates to the article based on your feedback. It was especially helpful to hear from ESL readers, I forget that English is not everyone's native tongue. Sounds like I should add an understand section, with more realistic descriptions of what cycling in various American situations is like as a whole. Fair point. Maybe there's something to having sections for both long and short distance trails. Or maybe making the idea that "these are the good trails near this city" more clear that somehow. Not sure I agree that the "selection of destinations is far too narrow", it almost feels like there are too many options as is. I think there is enough content to create additional Cycling in California type articles, but I'm not going to do it lol. ButteBag (talk) 18:53, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
    Thanks.
    There are plenty of suggested destinations, but they don't cover all the country, and a biker going to an area not covered should get the general advice they need, or enough for them to choose whether to forget about going by bike this time, try to find more information elsewhere or plan for biking anyway. I assume there may be variations even on local level, so you cannot cover all of it, but you probably have some touch on what to expect from places where you haven't been and heard nothing about. So, yes, I think an Understand would be good.
    LPfi (talk) 20:15, 13 October 2022 (UTC)
  • Comment. One other thing I've noticed is the lack of detail about helmet laws. For someone like me who comes from a place where helmets are mandatory by law, whether it's mandatory or not doesn't really bother me (I always wore one in Oslo, even though I knew I might have been judged), but for some others who may be used to cycling in a country with no legal restrictions, we should elaborate more. Looking at w:Bicycle helmet laws by country, it seems some states mandate the use of helmets for children while there are few to no restrictions in others. I realise that having a table for all 50 states + 5 organized territories is going to be very long, but surely we can do better than what currently stands. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 01:26, 15 October 2022 (UTC)
    w:Bicycle helmets in the United States has a good table, though we probably shouldn't copy the table as is. Would it be okay to make an exception to the Wikivoyage:Links to Wikipedia policy in this regard? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 07:05, 10 November 2022 (UTC)
    The table is collapsed, so not obvious, and the rest of the article is quite thin. Perhaps it suffices to say that helmets are mandatory for children (up to 12–18) in many states or counties (is that the relevant level?), mostly voluntary for adults. Readers should then check for themselves. Articles about individual states could have the info in their By bike sections, where a paragraph should be enough even in complicated cases. –LPfi (talk) 21:35, 16 November 2022 (UTC)

Kill Bill tourEdit

Place: Kill Bill tour
Blurb: Tour both sides of the Pacific in the bloody footsteps of The Bride! (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Kill Bill vol. 1 was released on 10 October 2003, the September 2023 FTT slot would mean it's featured at the 20 years anniversary. Otherwise, anytime really.
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 21:12, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
Comment: Yes, we have more nominees than ever before (especially in the Featured Travel Topic section). Still, next autumn there will be 20 years since the premiere of first movie so I think it could be a good time to feature this article. I'd say it is really as complete as it can get, as I watched the movies and took notes when writing the article.

Nomination
 
  • Support as the nominator. --Ypsilon (talk) 21:12, 16 November 2022 (UTC)
  • Support I had a read through and gosh it looks complete, at least for someone who now wants to watch both movies after reading this. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 10:18, 17 November 2022 (UTC)
The trailers for them are on Youtube BTW. :) --Ypsilon (talk) 18:34, 17 November 2022 (UTC)

In the footsteps of explorersEdit

Place: In the footsteps of explorers
Blurb: From prehistoric migrations out of Africa to space flight, humans have always been explorers. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: {{{time}}}
Nominated by: User:Pashley
Comment: It has taken quite a lot of work by several people, but this article is now rather good, & I think pretty much complete.

Nomination
 
  • Support as nominator. Pashley (talk) 01:34, 28 November 2022 (UTC)