Talk:Parkland (Florida)
Latest comment: 6 years ago by Ground Zero in topic De-merger
Proposed merger
edit- Support - for reasons cited in proposal. Ground Zero (talk) 22:57, 5 March 2018 (UTC)
- Support – I think we can probably just redirect this rather than trying to merge the content. I don't think the high school is really a tourist attraction. —Granger (talk · contribs) 00:37, 6 March 2018 (UTC)
- Support. This is no touristic destination. Ibaman (talk) 15:28, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
De-merger
edit- I support @Libertarianmoderate:'s de-merger of this article. The redirect vote was based on there only being one listing - for a high school - in the article. That did not warrant a separate article. Now that LibMod has added golf courses, ice cream, and nearby hotels, it is a different article and a different kettle of fish. It doesn't meet the Sleep Test, but it does meet the Gourmet Ice Cream Test. (I can't find the Gourmet Ice Cream Test in our policies, but I'm sure it must be there somewhere.) I would vote to leave this article now. It is not the stub that it was, and I think Wikivoyage benefits more from de-stubbing articles, than from merging non-stub articles. Ground Zero (talk) 15:37, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
- I must have missed discussions about this Gourmet Ice Cream Test; my thinking is still firmly rooted around the sleep test. I'm not totally sure this de-merger would simplify instead of complicating things, and also I'm not sure a place where the only See listing is a school, where there was a shooting that made international news, qualifies as a touristic destination. Having never been to this place, I wish to express a neutral stance about this matter for the while. Ibaman (talk) 16:44, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
- Well, I think some WV bureaucrats have decided that the sleep test is now out of date. They have decided that anywhere without ice cream isn't worth visiting... Selfie City (talk) 16:50, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
Jokes are not policies. Wikivoyage policy is not and has never been a joking matter, not for me, not at all. Ibaman (talk) 16:52, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
- Still uncomfortable with the only See listing being the site of a school shooting, but can see the argument for merge I original is not the same any-more. --Traveler100 (talk) 20:35, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
(Copy-paste from LibMod's talk page) I vote for it to be kept and expanded further. It may not technically meet the sleep test, but since there are hotels within a few minutes' drive, that doesn't matter so much. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 20:39, 10 August 2018 (UTC) @Ibaman: since when is Wikivoyage only for tourists? What about people travelling for business or family? There would be many reasons other than tourism to visit a place. Ground Zero (talk) 22:07, 10 August 2018 (UTC)
- In my mind, part of the point of the sleep test is that small, little-known suburbs with no hotels or sights don't usually get their own articles. Better to cover them as part of the city they're next to. To Ground Zero's point, surely any business traveller will be sleeping somewhere else if the town has no hotels. I see that this article now has some "Do" listings and a hotel, though, so maybe it can be kept.
- Regardless of whether the article is kept, I think the listing for the high school should be removed, unless someone can confirm that the "makeshift memorial" is a permanent tourist attraction rather than a temporary effort for the local community. I also think the current banner is in poor taste and should be removed. —Granger (talk · contribs) 00:54, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
- Hm, I agree that we don't want to present the high school as a site to see, but I do think that a memorial is worth including, whether it is makeshift or permanent. It does seem that a lot of people wish to mourn people they don't know, and that their grief is genuine, not morbid. I agree that we shouldn't include pictures of the school, though. Ground Zero (talk) 02:34, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
- I guess we would need to know more about the nature of the memorial. If it's, say, a plaque intended to be visited by non-locals, then I think it would be worth including. But if it's, say, a bunch of flowers and homemade signs made by students and community members, just intended to help the local community grieve, then I think it would be strange and even disrespectful to list that in a travel guide (and not very useful, because in that case it probably doesn't exist anymore). The description that was in the article makes it sound more like the latter than the former, but I don't know. —Granger (talk · contribs) 05:37, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
- The Miami Herald says that it "served as a meeting point for locals and out-of-towners alike to pay their respects", so I don't think it there was any intention to limit its use to locals. But it's been dismantled now for preservation while the local council discusses a permanent memorial, so there is no memorial to list for now. Ground Zero (talk) 11:07, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
- I guess we would need to know more about the nature of the memorial. If it's, say, a plaque intended to be visited by non-locals, then I think it would be worth including. But if it's, say, a bunch of flowers and homemade signs made by students and community members, just intended to help the local community grieve, then I think it would be strange and even disrespectful to list that in a travel guide (and not very useful, because in that case it probably doesn't exist anymore). The description that was in the article makes it sound more like the latter than the former, but I don't know. —Granger (talk · contribs) 05:37, 11 August 2018 (UTC)
- Hm, I agree that we don't want to present the high school as a site to see, but I do think that a memorial is worth including, whether it is makeshift or permanent. It does seem that a lot of people wish to mourn people they don't know, and that their grief is genuine, not morbid. I agree that we shouldn't include pictures of the school, though. Ground Zero (talk) 02:34, 11 August 2018 (UTC)