Talk:Venezuela
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Formatting and language conventions
For articles about Venezuela, please use the 24-hour clock to show times, e.g. 09:00-12:00 and 18:00-00:00. Please show prices in this format: US$100, and not Bs100, $100, VES100 or USD100. Although the Bolívar Soberano is the legal currency in the country, it is not stable and will fluctuate rapidly. Please use American spelling. |
For future reference the Project:CIA World Factbook 2002 import can be found at Talk:Venezuela/CIA World Factbook 2002 import.
Administrative divisions and ports
edit- Administrative divisions
- 23 states, 1 capital district* (distrito capital), and 1 federal dependency** (dependencia federal); Amazonas, Anzoátegui, Apure, Aragua, Barinas, Bolívar, Carabobo, Cojedes, Delta Amacuro, Dependencias Federales**, Distrito Capital*, Falcón, Guárico, Lara, Mérida, Miranda, Monagas, Nueva Esparta, Portuguesa, Sucre, Táchira, Trujillo, Vargas, Yaracuy, Zulia
note: the federal dependency consists of 11 federally controlled island groups with a total of 72 individual islands
- Ports and harbors
- Amuay, Bajo Grande, El Tablazo, La Guaira, La Salina, Maracaibo, Matanzas, Palua, Puerto Cabello, Puerto la Cruz, Puerto Ordaz, Puerto Sucre, Punta Cardón.
This information doesn't belong in the country article, but may be of use when sorting out Venezuela's geographical hierarchy. --(WT-en) Peterfitzgerald Talk 15:02, 10 June 2007 (EDT)
Respect & Politics
editI spent the whole month of February in Venezuela both and I found no problem what so ever when speaking about politics with people on the street and in other public environment - on the contrary I where often myself asked where I stood and could frequently easdrop (well that was unrepectful) on discussions about politics and news. ´´´´
Changes to "Eat"
editI've been working on the Caracas Wikivoyage site and recently edited the "Eat" section for clarity and information. Cheers! —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) Laurenlp (talk • contribs)
The people in Venezuela eats a lot of great foods. They have a lunch which means the whole family has to be there for this dinner. —The preceding comment was added by (WT-en) 216.77.166.183 (talk • contribs)
Prices in bolivares
editGiven the hyperinflation, any prices listed in bolivares that do not identify their dates, or were posted more than six months ago are completely meaningless. We should just remove them. Any comments? Ground Zero (talk) 20:19, 12 January 2018 (UTC)
- I'm going to ask the question again, especially now that the articles states blunted that the prices are outdated. Why include them? Ground Zero (talk) 00:48, 24 January 2018 (UTC)
- I have removed them from this article. Ground Zero (talk) 03:17, 5 February 2018 (UTC)
- Thanks. Sorry I missed this, but I'd agree that pricing information is useless. Should we do the same for Caracas? --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 05:03, 2 February 2019 (UTC)
Wikidata items for dynamic map
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To the right is the map with all Wikidata items for the states of Venezuela. This should simplify the work in case we want to change the district set-up in the future. The tool Wikidata Extractor has been used to create the mapshapes. --Renek78 (talk) 09:40, 18 August 2018 (UTC)
History
editThe history section is highly subjective and reads poorly. A summary without bias is necessary. —The preceding comment was added by 70.45.186.177 (talk • contribs)
- Hi, 70.45.186.177, and welcome! I moved your post to the end of the page, which is where new posts on talk pages go, and "signed" for you - please type 4 tildes at the end of each post you make to a talk page.
- The standard here is Wikivoyage:Be fair - not a neutral point of view like in Wikipedia, but we like to avoid political disputes on Wikivoyage whenever possible, though it's sometimes necessary to report on them to some extent when they occur in possible travel destinations. I don't take a position on how biased or unbiased that section was or is, but if it's unfair, indeed, please change it in any way that makes it fairer. If any of your changes are controversial, they can be discussed here. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:25, 4 July 2019 (UTC)
Not all of Venezuela is showing up on the dynamic mapshape. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 15:30, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
- I have checked, and it is still not working. Should a Phabricator entry be created? --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 20:05, 5 September 2019 (UTC)
- Just checked one of the missing mapshapes with help of the OSM Relation Analyzer. At least this one is a closed contour in OSM. So the problem seems to be related to the Kartographer extension.--Renek78 (talk) 20:06, 11 September 2019 (UTC)
Currency, time and spelling conventions
editBelow is a proposed infobox to let readers know which formatting conventions to use in Wikivoyage articles. Do you agree with these proposals? If you have direct knowledge of what is most commonly used in the country, please let us know. Ground Zero (talk) 16:44, 9 December 2019 (UTC)
- Moved to the top of this article. Ground Zero (talk) 12:46, 28 December 2019 (UTC)
A Commons file used on this page or its Wikidata item has been nominated for deletion
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Removing WarningBox
edit@Brycehughes, I would encourage you to seek consensus before you start removing WarningBoxes because you don't agree with them. Cyali (talk) 08:36, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
- The same could be said the other way around, too. There is no consensus for either removing or keeping the box so Wikivoyage:Consensus#Status quo bias applies here. Can we please discuss this before reinstating the warningbox (if ever)? --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 08:38, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
- Crime is very high in Venezuela, is it not? That should be a reason for at least a cautionbox, if so. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:58, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
- I'm indifferent on whether to have a cautionbox or warningbox but would like to have some proper discussion first. I think I slightly favour a cautionbox over crime or a warningbox but in the Stay safe section, not at the top of the article. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 09:31, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
- Isn't crime very high in the United States, too? The same could be said for a lot of countries. I don't think this is an appropriate use of a warning box. The lack of consular services, also, is not a life-endangering condition. This should be a caution box. Ground Zero (talk) 09:35, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
- I'm now fully convinced in favour of a caution box instead (and in "Stay safe", not at the top of the article). --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 09:49, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
- Isn't crime very high in the United States, too? The same could be said for a lot of countries. I don't think this is an appropriate use of a warning box. The lack of consular services, also, is not a life-endangering condition. This should be a caution box. Ground Zero (talk) 09:35, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
- I'm indifferent on whether to have a cautionbox or warningbox but would like to have some proper discussion first. I think I slightly favour a cautionbox over crime or a warningbox but in the Stay safe section, not at the top of the article. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 09:31, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
- Crime is very high in Venezuela, is it not? That should be a reason for at least a cautionbox, if so. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:58, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
- The discussion linked in an edit summary has been swept to Template talk:Warningbox#Proliferation of Warning boxes. –—The preceding comment was added by LPfi (talk • contribs) 12:11, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think the crime rate in the U.S. is comparable to the crime rate in Venezuela. However, if people felt that it was high enough to justify a cautionbox, so be it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 13:02, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe it does in some areas, but definitely not in the country article. Similar analogy applies here. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 13:05, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
- I am mistaken. Looking only at the murder rate as a proxy, the rate in Venezuela is 3 times that of the U.S. (19.4 vs 6.4 per 100,000 people). Absent evidence that tourists are particularly targeted, though, I don't agree that a warning box is warranted Ground Zero (talk) 13:16, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
- Might be a warningbox is not warranted, but a warning is – also for the US (and Lesotho, Bahamas, Puerto Rico, … unless tourists are less targeted than locals). The USA has more than five times the homicide rate of any of the Nordic countries, more than ten times that of Iceland and Norway (according to w:List of countries by intentional homicide rate). Over here, getting killed is not something one needs to worry about, unless one has a violent husband or lives in the wrong circles – that it is a real risk in some dark alleys abroad is not obvious. –LPfi (talk) 15:11, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
- One reason why to use "commons sense" is not good advice. The needed sense is not common in all countries. –LPfi (talk) 15:13, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
- Dangers don't have to be restricted to tourists to be valid warnings. There's a reason so many people are fleeing from Venezuela, and crime is part of it. Venezuelans have stated as much. And again, I'm calling for at least a cautionbox, not necessarily a warningbox, but I think particularly high-crime countries or areas warrant a warning for that. Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:52, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
- I think discussion in Stay safe is sufficient -- that's what it's there for. But I can live with a caution box. Ground Zero (talk) 17:10, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
- +1. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 21:00, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
- As long as there is sufficiently high visibility for the warnings in question, I'm good. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:42, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
- Wow that was a lot of notifications. If we want a box-of-shame for crime, fine. But the rest of the stuff (infrastructure? clogged toilets?) is just insulting.
- An aside: it's not really possible to compare crime statistics across countries due to reporting differences both cultural and bureaucratic, nor is it even very easy to compare within one country over time for many countries. The UN comparison stats are pretty junky. Moreover using homicide rates as a proxy for violent crimes on tourists is pretty problematic. Brycehughes (talk) 23:07, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
- You are right that the statistics can be misleading (although for the UK, I assume there are knowledgable people doing their best) and that using such proxies for drawing conclusions is problematic. However, the rates do tell something and could be an alert to do some other research and a hint that reports on high crime rates are serious. –LPfi (talk) 08:43, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
- I wasn't using the proxy statistic as the basis for including or not including a warning box. I was using it to withdraw the question I had asked, "Isn't crime very high in the United States, too?" The burden if proof for withdrawing my own question should be so high as to warrant a discussion on the legitimacy of statistics. Ground Zero (talk) 09:03, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
- Sorry it was more a nerdy aside rather than impeaching anything you were saying. Brycehughes (talk) 15:15, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
- I wasn't using the proxy statistic as the basis for including or not including a warning box. I was using it to withdraw the question I had asked, "Isn't crime very high in the United States, too?" The burden if proof for withdrawing my own question should be so high as to warrant a discussion on the legitimacy of statistics. Ground Zero (talk) 09:03, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
- You are right that the statistics can be misleading (although for the UK, I assume there are knowledgable people doing their best) and that using such proxies for drawing conclusions is problematic. However, the rates do tell something and could be an alert to do some other research and a hint that reports on high crime rates are serious. –LPfi (talk) 08:43, 19 February 2024 (UTC)
- As long as there is sufficiently high visibility for the warnings in question, I'm good. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:42, 18 February 2024 (UTC)
- +1. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 21:00, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
- I think discussion in Stay safe is sufficient -- that's what it's there for. But I can live with a caution box. Ground Zero (talk) 17:10, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
- Dangers don't have to be restricted to tourists to be valid warnings. There's a reason so many people are fleeing from Venezuela, and crime is part of it. Venezuelans have stated as much. And again, I'm calling for at least a cautionbox, not necessarily a warningbox, but I think particularly high-crime countries or areas warrant a warning for that. Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:52, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
- One reason why to use "commons sense" is not good advice. The needed sense is not common in all countries. –LPfi (talk) 15:13, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
- Might be a warningbox is not warranted, but a warning is – also for the US (and Lesotho, Bahamas, Puerto Rico, … unless tourists are less targeted than locals). The USA has more than five times the homicide rate of any of the Nordic countries, more than ten times that of Iceland and Norway (according to w:List of countries by intentional homicide rate). Over here, getting killed is not something one needs to worry about, unless one has a violent husband or lives in the wrong circles – that it is a real risk in some dark alleys abroad is not obvious. –LPfi (talk) 15:11, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
- I am mistaken. Looking only at the murder rate as a proxy, the rate in Venezuela is 3 times that of the U.S. (19.4 vs 6.4 per 100,000 people). Absent evidence that tourists are particularly targeted, though, I don't agree that a warning box is warranted Ground Zero (talk) 13:16, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
- Maybe it does in some areas, but definitely not in the country article. Similar analogy applies here. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 13:05, 17 February 2024 (UTC)
- I don't think the crime rate in the U.S. is comparable to the crime rate in Venezuela. However, if people felt that it was high enough to justify a cautionbox, so be it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 13:02, 17 February 2024 (UTC)