Talk:Eastern Australia
VFD discussion
edit- Delete – The term is quite outdated, and the term is way too broad. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 04:39, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
- Keep it's a term used more frequently in the non-eastern states of Australia, in particular WA. Being an extra-hierarchial region, its purpose is similar to West Coast (United States of America). It doesn't fit under our breadcrumb pathway but it's a term that people will potentially search for and it will help direct them to the right articles. Gizza (roam) 07:20, 19 June 2021 (UTC)
- Keep At worst it is unnecessary but harmless. Pashley (talk) 09:57, 21 June 2021 (UTC)
Outcome: kept. Pashley (talk) 23:19, 2 July 2021 (UTC)
While I did nominate this article a couple of months ago, I'm nominating this a second time for an entirely different reason. Similar to the E/W Canada situation, I'd argue this is ambiguous. While this article represents it in a way that all the eastern jurisdictions are listed, we run into a whole load of issues:
- Queensland is not always considered as "eastern", and sometimes Eastern Australia can only mean the jurisdictions that use AEST/AEDT time zone (New South Wales, Victoria, Tasmania and two other territories).
- South Australia is also sometimes considered to be part of Eastern Australia (Radelaide is considered to be one of the four state capitals of Eastern Australia).
- Sometimes Eastern Australia only refers to mainland states and territories, so Tasmania and Macquarie Island wouldn't fit in here
- Renaming the article to "East Coast Australia" also poses a problem, as the Australian Capital Territory does not have a coastline, and then again we have the Tas/MI issue. And even more, Victoria (state) wouldn't be listed here since it only has a south coast, not an east.
- I suppose redirecting this to the Australia article may help, but that does not really explain "what eastern Australia means"
It is a commonly used term in Western Australia (the only state not mentioned here), and maybe the Territory? But... it's far too ambiguous. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 13:13, 13 October 2021 (UTC)
- Would it make sense to make this a redirect to Australia in case someone uses it as a search term? If not, I will defer to your local knowledge. Ground Zero (talk) 02:15, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
- Unfortunately my local knowledge won't really help because this term is only really used daily by people in Western Australia. I generally use "East Coast Australia", but that often does not include Tasmania nor South Australia. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 02:18, 14 October 2021 (UTC)
- Southwest (United States of America) and South (United States of America) have similar boundary problems. The fact that some people use a term to indicate different locations doesn't mean that we should get rid of the pages. This is really just the problem with people complaining that the official city boundaries are not the ones used in the Wikivoyage article. WhatamIdoing (talk) 15:51, 17 October 2021 (UTC)
- SW US to me also includes California while S US also includes Florida to me. But those aren't extraregions. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:47, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
- Florida is part of the Southeast geographically and part the South historically but not so much culturally now. California is not part of the Southwest; it is a West Coast state. However, part of Texas is Southwestern. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:48, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
- I still consider Texas to be southern given it's literally in the south. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:00, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
- I said part of Texas. The most "Southern" part of Texas is the eastern part, where there were huge cotton plantations that were tended by enslaved people before the Civil War, not the huge areas of open ranch land in the west. Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:06, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
- I still consider Texas to be southern given it's literally in the south. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:00, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
- Florida is part of the Southeast geographically and part the South historically but not so much culturally now. California is not part of the Southwest; it is a West Coast state. However, part of Texas is Southwestern. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:48, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
- SW US to me also includes California while S US also includes Florida to me. But those aren't extraregions. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:47, 18 October 2021 (UTC)
Outcome: kept, but with explanation of the ambiguity. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:21, 26 October 2021 (UTC)
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editI was wondering if we should change the banner to File:East Australia Banner.jpg. To me, the altitude looks more representative of the GDR as most of the time, when crossing the GDR, the altitude is above 900m, rather than this one off exception of 673m. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 01:02, 3 July 2021 (UTC)
- No response for 22 days, so switching. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:41, 25 July 2021 (UTC)