Talk:Nightlife
Laundry list
editWhat exactly is the purpose of the current laundry list of cities? I think most people know that Radebeul is not necessarily world famous for its nightlife... Hobbitschuster (talk) 21:34, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
- Actually I don't get this article at all. "Nightlife is a high-risk activity" ... hmmmm, ok.... --Andrewssi2 (talk) 21:53, 1 February 2016 (UTC)
- It is. Nightlife venues have a disproportionately high crime rate. /Yvwv (talk) 16:45, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
- Crime is less likely to kill you than heart attacks, yet we don't say eating certain types of food is a high risk activity... Hobbitschuster (talk) 17:26, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
- We kind of do in Traveling with high blood pressure. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:19, 31 March 2016 (UTC)
Where to take this article?
editLike, seriously. What do we do with this? Hobbitschuster (talk) 19:57, 3 July 2017 (UTC)
On WV:Requested articles it was said that the article "lacks general advice about dress code, timing, queuing, etiquette etc". Probably useful, unless regional differences are too big. --LPfi (talk) 21:26, 13 August 2018 (UTC)
- In regard to your last point, there are in fact a lot of differences in how nightlife is lived and handled in different countries, music scenes and subcultures. It may hardly be possible to adequately portray this topic in one single article, i.e. to represent a worldwide view of the subject. This challenge can already be observed in some Wikipedia articles on topics such as nightclubs or music subcultures, which not seldomly present a region-specific view on the topic. I believe it would be more useful to give specific information on such issues in the single city articles, than giving generalizing advice in this article. --Rio65trio (talk) 01:14, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
- There is of course some specifics best told in city articles, but I suppose a Londoner wouldn't be too confused in a nightclub in Berlin or Edinburgh. So some generalities exist, although I do not know whether they hold in Tokyo or Ouagadougou. I think this article should describe surprising differences to look out for, not necessarily go into detail about how it works in different places and subcultures- But to write something sensible one should have a quite broad experience (I suppose some of us have). --ˇˇˇˇ —The preceding comment was added by LPfi (talk • contribs) 05:43, 15 August 2018
- I agree that it seems useful to talk about broad generalizations and differences to look out for. I'm curious what nightlife is like in countries or regions where alcohol is illegal or culturally frowned upon. The list of destinations could also be improved with descriptions of the nightlife at each one—from what I've heard, the flavor of nightlife in, say, Nashville is different from Ibiza. —Granger (talk · contribs) 08:55, 15 August 2018 (UTC)
- There is of course some specifics best told in city articles, but I suppose a Londoner wouldn't be too confused in a nightclub in Berlin or Edinburgh. So some generalities exist, although I do not know whether they hold in Tokyo or Ouagadougou. I think this article should describe surprising differences to look out for, not necessarily go into detail about how it works in different places and subcultures- But to write something sensible one should have a quite broad experience (I suppose some of us have). --ˇˇˇˇ —The preceding comment was added by LPfi (talk • contribs) 05:43, 15 August 2018
Delete the list of destinations?
editNightlife is fairly ubiquitous, if not in the whole world, at least large swathes of it. The list of destinations is not comprehensive – that would be a huge list and not practical. The list is therefore selective, but quite long, with most entries having no commentary about why their nightlife has been well known. Australia & Oceania just has a list of the more-or-less biggest cities. The list as a whole is heavily biased to the Western world. I suggest deleting the list. Alternatively, maybe it could be reduced to a very selective list of 7±2 top nightlife districts or localities, not whole large cities – e.g. maybe New Orleans/French Quarter rather than New Orleans – but I'm not sure that is practical, as even cities with a nightlife district often have numerous venues in other parts of the city too. Nurg (talk) 23:49, 19 July 2021 (UTC)
- I'm not sure, but if we keep the list, WTF is Africa completely omitted? That's inexcusable! I'm no expert on nightlife in Africa, but I would have to think that Nairobi, Lagos and several places in South Africa should be listed. And only two places in Latin America (defined broadly to include Brazil)? That's crazy, since everyone knows Latin-Americans have great dance music and know how to party. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:07, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
- I also wondered that too. I also wondered why Wellington is also omitted SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:14, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
- Delete the list. Or add every city over 200,000 people. Ground Zero (talk) 01:17, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
- Agreed. Impossible to make this list comprehensive. Perhaps prose sections by continent would be better. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 01:59, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, prose by region. Not by continent though, as nightlife in Iran, India and Japan probably differ more than slightly. The destination list could give hints on what could be written: "[arguable] the most liberal and cosmopolitan [...] in the Arab world" (so what is nightlife like elsewhere in the Arabic world?), "centre for European electronic music" (are music genres something that'd make you choose a specific destination?). But the rest of the list says little, mostly just big cities. Then there are resort towns and the Baltic Sea ferries. The last may be surprising, but otherwise we might just say that big cities and resorts usually are nightlife hotspots. –LPfi (talk) 07:29, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
- I join those who vote to delete the list. Nightlife is not a static thing and depends on ever-moving trends, fashions, music genres and subcultures that often last only a few years. Some cities associated with nightlife live only on the glamour of bygone days, and their once famous clubs have long since been displaced by gentrification or have fallen out of fashion. The list would indeed need to be constantly updated and discussed whether the nightlife in these cities is still worth mentioning. This won't be easy because, as some have pointed out here, most major cities have some nightlife. It should also be taken into account that clubs around the world are currently fighting for survival, and the cards may be reshuffled after the COVID-19 pandemic. --Rio65trio (talk) 15:04, 30 July 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, prose by region. Not by continent though, as nightlife in Iran, India and Japan probably differ more than slightly. The destination list could give hints on what could be written: "[arguable] the most liberal and cosmopolitan [...] in the Arab world" (so what is nightlife like elsewhere in the Arabic world?), "centre for European electronic music" (are music genres something that'd make you choose a specific destination?). But the rest of the list says little, mostly just big cities. Then there are resort towns and the Baltic Sea ferries. The last may be surprising, but otherwise we might just say that big cities and resorts usually are nightlife hotspots. –LPfi (talk) 07:29, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
- Agreed. Impossible to make this list comprehensive. Perhaps prose sections by continent would be better. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 01:59, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
- Delete the list. Or add every city over 200,000 people. Ground Zero (talk) 01:17, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
- I also wondered that too. I also wondered why Wellington is also omitted SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:14, 20 July 2021 (UTC)
@Nurg, Ikan Kekek, Ground Zero, LPfi, Rio65trio, SelfieCity:, so deleting the list? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:27, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
- Yes. Are there any surprises in the list, which might warrant a more general comment? –LPfi (talk) 11:17, 29 August 2021 (UTC)
- Yes, belatedly. Ground Zero (talk) 13:02, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
- Side point, but my response to this question: "are music genres something that'd make you choose a specific destination?" You bet your patooties they are! Tango in Buenos Aires being just one of a whole host of obvious examples. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:28, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, and I just see that this has already been done. Case closed and many thanks. --Rio65trio (talk) 19:02, 15 January 2022 (UTC)
- Side point, but my response to this question: "are music genres something that'd make you choose a specific destination?" You bet your patooties they are! Tango in Buenos Aires being just one of a whole host of obvious examples. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:28, 7 January 2022 (UTC)
- Yes, belatedly. Ground Zero (talk) 13:02, 7 January 2022 (UTC)