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Hello DortmunderWestfront! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

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If you are a Wikipedian then you may notice some differences in policies and the style of our articles. These include:

• NPOV → be fair (not quite the same thing!)
• be bold → plunge forward
• Village pump → travellers' pub
• External links → We do not use a separate external links section, but incorporate primary links only into the text itself.
• sandbox → graffiti wall
• stub tagging → Article status

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We do encourage people to plunge forward on this site, but wholesale changes to an article's structure need prior discussion, and most of the changes you're making will have to be reverted because:

(1) You are doing uncredited verbatim copying from w:Dortmund in violation of Wikivoyage:Copyleft and Wikipedia's copyright. (2) You have created a "Districts" section without making the case in Talk:Dortmund for how it helps the visitor to create articles about different districts instead of leaving all information in the Dortmund guide. (3) You have substituted prose in place of templated listings, which are standard on this site. (4) Your tone seems at least at times to be that of a tourist bureau.

You clearly have a lot of knowledge to add, so please stick around and add it, but try to do so within the bounds of Wikivoyage style, tone and structure.

We veteran users of this site stand ready to help you. Just post to Talk:Dortmund with some of your ideas, and we can give you comments and advice. Also feel free to post a reply below with any question that's unclear to you after you've looked through some of the links I've given you.

All the best,

Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:58, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

Here's a link to the edit reverting your work, with your version shown on the left side of the page: click here. I regret undoing so much work, but it would be extremely time-consuming to restore all those listing templates manually and look through every bit of text to see precisely what is and is not copied from another site without credit. Please re-add all the useful information affected by my hard revert. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:02, 16 December 2017 (UTC)

I would really appreciate if you would take us up on our offer to talk. Making such large scale changes can cause problems and issues which can be resolved if we talk about them. A wiki is by its nature a collaborative project and hence there needs to be communication. Hobbitschuster (talk) 01:23, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Dear Ikan Kekek and Hobbitschuster,

dammn thats hard stuff and I can't understand the main criticism. Im not a tourism professionals or employees of the city council, im just a former student of the Dortmund University who came to study in this City. The City is today my home and I will do my best to show a good critical analysis of the city like the other cities on en.wikivoyage. Its not my place of birth but I like the city and the football club. But maybe its easier to split the points of criticism. (1) Its not a simply copy and paste of the eng. wiki article, because its my own work and I am the "main author" of a lot of Dortmund wiki articles. Please take a look on the edit history, its all my stuff. I collect the information of other sites like Mercer, Handelsblatt and so on and write them together. (2) Ok thats a good fact. Lets discuss about the section. I think its pretty charming to know the city districts of Dortmund and I saw that in a lot of articles on others sites. (3) I get it. (4) Please see above, im not a tourism professionals. Primarily I have used the existing structure and sound of other Wikivoyage articles like Rotterdam, Liverpool, Manchester and so on.

So please restore my hard work of more than 1-2 weeks (take a look to the History of the englisch Dortmund Article, its all my own work) and we can discuss about some sections.

many greetings from Dortmund DortmunderWestfront (talk) 13:04, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

It generally helps to make several small edits rather than one large one. On a different not, the tone of Wikipedia is a different one as the one used here and the tone used here is different from that used in promotional brochures. As for "Districts", we usually use them mostly if a city is actually subdivided (see Berlin for one example) official boundaries need not mean a thing (for instance Los Angeles is understood to cover the whole County, not just any given "city" under US law). At any rate, I really appreciate that you are communicating with us, because unfortunately it happens that people do not respond at all to attempts at communication. Of course local knowledge is always appreciated. Another thing: The Listing Template is very helpful. Please click "add listing" to add a restaurant, attraction, activity or whatnot to the appropriate section. The listing editor lets you fill out stuff like opening hours or price and also enables to put a marker on the map by entering the decimal coordinates (don't fret it if you don't know the precise time and date format, User:Ground Zero among others is very active in fixing those) Hobbitschuster (talk) 16:26, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Dortmunder, welcome to Wikivoyage. I took a look at your edits, and I think there is a lot of good material there. I think the best next step is for you to try to incorporate that into the article following the advice above. You can probably copy and paste your edits in, keeping in mind the advice about listings templates, and then edit from there. I'll keep an eye on the article, and help out with formatting and English usage. I'll look forward to seeing further improvements in the Dortmund article. As Ikan mentioned, it really helps an article to have someone like you with local knowledge. Regards, Ground Zero (talk) 17:05, 17 December 2017 (UTC)

Hallo aus Buffalo, Dortmunds amerikanische Partnerstadt! I, too, have been following your contributions. You're adding good information, and as to the finer points of Wikivoyage style, those will come to you in time. The important thing is, don't be discouraged. If I can be of assistance to you in any way, please leave a message on my talk page. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 20:54, 19 December 2017 (UTC)

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