Talk:Travelling with children

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Word

sewarryats - someone has to be kidding surely - that is not an english word? sats (talk) 11:32, 10 April 2013 (UTC)

It was introduced in this edit and seems to refer to a document needed in Russia. It should probably be moved to the "Documents" section, but more information on this kind of document is needed. --LPfi (talk) 10:21, 11 April 2013 (UTC)

Why Skycouch?

A reference to the 'Skycouch' has been added by User:‎Lcmortensen. Described thus:

Another option if you're flying Air New Zealand (and shortly China Airlines) is the Skycouch: a row of three economy seats which can convert into a flat "couch" by raising the legrests and retracting the armrests.

I am trying to think why this would be of practical benefit to traveling with children? Is it because it is easier to book the seats together in advance? Andrewssi2 (talk) 01:55, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Did you miss the second sentence? I've modified it slightly since.

It costs extra, and is not available on all aircraft models and flights, but it does give more room for children to lay down than buying regular economy seats.

Lcmortensen (talk) 02:07, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

Yes, that is a little clearer thanks. Andrewssi2 (talk) 03:06, 17 February 2014 (UTC)

New articles

I'm interested to create the following:

1. Auckland with Children
2. Sydney with Children
3. Shanghai with Children
4. South Korea with Children
5. Hong Kong with Children

--Andrewssi2 (talk) 09:32, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Plunge forward. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:30, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

If you have stuff to add to such articles, by all means, go ahead and do it! ϒpsilon (talk) 10:33, 22 April 2015 (UTC)

Getting this from the mess it currently is to a guide level article

This article is potentially a good and important one. Now I am a youngest child and have no children of my own, so my personal experience on the subject is rather limited, but surely we can do better than the meandering sometimes self contradictory mess written in several different styles and dialects of English this article currently is. How about we get this ready for FTT before the year ends? What concrete points besides better flow and consistency would you think important? Hobbitschuster (talk) 02:14, 10 January 2017 (UTC)

@Hobbitschuster: I was just thinking it would be a good FTT for next summer holidays, if we could get it up to guide. Still want to work on it? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:38, 22 August 2018 (UTC)

I realize I'm a few years late to this discussion, but I just read the whole article, and it strikes me as a well written article with a lot of good content and no glaringly obvious content gaps. So, I'm wondering, what DOES this article need to boost it to a guide level article? I'd love to jump in and write some more content, if it's useful, but I'm not sure the article really needs a lot more. Any thoughts? Mrkstvns (talk) 23:58, 17 December 2022 (UTC)

Pressure adjustment

A link from Pressure adjustment to Flight and health was added. In which article should the issue as related to children be handled? Now that other article (in Common issues) just says that children scream and goes on giving advice for adults, which is confusing and feels awkward. Either we should have a paragraph about it there or clearly tell here the advice we have and that there isn't much you can do (so that people do not have expectations when following the link).

Do we have any advice regarding infants? I think I read somewhere at this site (probably here, but I cannot find it) that breastfeeding helps, but I have no experience. Other tips?

--LPfi (talk) 10:09, 26 January 2018 (UTC)

I can't speak with authority here, but I've heard that giving them a pacifier will help. The dog2 (talk) 16:53, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

I don't have experience either, but I asked my mom, who has lots of experience flying on planes with infants, and she advises having them nurse to help with the pressure changes. —Granger (talk · contribs) 18:02, 27 January 2018 (UTC)

Yeah, I think nursing (or at least giving them a bottle of formula) can help. When my daughter was small, she'd often have problems dealing with the pressure. I don't know for sure if or why it would help, but I used to set her in my lap and cup my hands over her ears. Mrkstvns (talk) 00:01, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

Talking with strangers

In Toilets it says (about small children using the toilet alone) that "sensible precautions to take might include reminding your child not to talk to strangers". I am used to hear that children should be told that, but is it sensible advice?

In the toilet case it is probably a girl in the women's room, with the dad waiting outside (or a boy with his mum). If there are any problems, isn't it wise of the girl to ask for help from anybody close by, instead of trying to make contact with the parent outside? What risks are there, really?

In this article the advice is "Teach children who you would like them to approach. Consider whether you would like them to approach someone in uniform, which is something most children will recognise", which I find unproblematic. Still there is the question about whom you should teach your children to approach. Here in Finland I suppose nearly any adult would help a child who has gone astray, and I cannot believe the risk of the nearest person being a child molester or some such is anything to worry about (the child trusting the first person may actually lessen the risk the molester enters the scene).

Talking with strangers may be dangerous when they seek out the child themselves and suggests odd things, such as following them away from the public space. In any situation where the child is looking for somebody to approach I think the risk is minimal, at least over here. There are places where there is a real risk of kidnappings etc., but even then, I am not sure a child not seeking help from people around helps.

--LPfi (talk) 07:49, 6 October 2018 (UTC)

YPTA

I removed the sentence "Sometimes this separate category is called 'YPTA' for 'young person traveling alone'" as it was in a paragraph about accompanied children and children not accepted. Neither case seems to match the definition. Please insert it where it belongs. –LPfi (talk) 11:25, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

What does this mean (a few paragraphs later)?

"Generally a child must be over 5 to be accepted as an unaccompanied minor. Some airlines require all children under 12 to travel this way."

Interpreted literally that means children aren't allowed to travel with their parents. What is the intended meaning? I assume there is confusion about a child travelling alone and a child taken care of by the airline, but this needs clearer wording.

Reading between the lines, I assume we have "unaccompanied minors" taken care of by the airline and unaccompanied minors not taken care of by the airline and called YPTAs instead. This is very confusing, so needs to be phrased carefully. I cannot make sense of the presented age limits, as they seem to mix up the two.

–LPfi (talk) 11:36, 18 December 2022 (UTC)

FYI: Most-loved places for expat families

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https://www.bbc.com/travel/article/20230207-the-five-countries-expat-families-love Some discussion like this can be incorporated into the guide. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 20:33, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

Presumably it would go in Working abroad. Pashley (talk) 21:23, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

As well as the individual countries or Travelling with children, etc. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 21:47, 13 February 2023 (UTC)

I think a reference to the relevant sections is enough in Travelling with children (which doesn't talk about living abroad). Working abroad should be read by most people contemplating moving abroad for a longer time, including those with children or planning to get children.

Where in Working abroad should we handle it? A quick skim through Working abroad didn't reveal anything about choosing country (we have a lot of discussion on that in Studying abroad and Retiring abroad). Family considerations are not covered in any depth in those articles and they suit this article better - so add a section? Some info should be added to Prepare subsections such as Social security, and Expat life could be expanded to cover families.

How much should we tell in the country articles? I added a sentence or two to the second paragraph of Finland#Work (Finland was the fifth country on the BBC list). Is that enough and reasonable? I hesitated a little as there is a lot of talk here currently about our education system's problems, youth violence on the rise etc., but I assume a quick walk in a suitable part of New York would be enough to convince me we live in Heaven (even though people seem not to leave infants in their pram in the street anymore when going grocery shopping, as was common twenty years ago). I'd like to paint a more nuanced picture, but that would require several paragraphs.

LPfi (talk) 14:33, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

FYI: I flew to Japan with my baby. Here's what I learned about traveling with young kids

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https://www.npr.org/2024/03/05/1196978785/traveling-with-babies-and-toddlers-tips-tricks —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 14:59, 5 March 2024 (UTC)