AnglaisEP

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Hello, AnglaisEP! Welcome to Wikivoyage.

To help get you started contributing, we've created a tips for new contributors page, full of helpful links about policies and guidelines and style, as well as some important information on copyleft and basic stuff like how to edit a page. If you need help, check out Help, or post a message in the travellers' pub. New users are also welcome to post any questions or concerns to the arrivals lounge. If you want some practice editing, please do so on our graffiti wall. If you are familiar with Wikipedia, take a look over some of the differences here. If you want to contribute with information about the place where you live, see Wikivoyage:Welcome, locals.

I see you've made a large number of articles, but all of them are nearly completely empty templates, without even a mention of where in the world they are. I appreciate the enthusiasm, but did you know you don't have to create unfinished articles directly in mainspace? If you want to experiment with article format, you can try at the public graffiti wall. If you want to work on unfinished articles in your own time, you can create a subpage of your own user page for them, and move them into the main part of Wikivoyage when you're done. Vaticidalprophet (talk) 17:12, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

AnglaisEP, these articles aren't useful for travellers. If you are going to add content to them, please let us know, and we will give you time to do so. If you are not planning to add content, then we will delete these articles. Please do not create any more stub articles until you have added content to the articles you have already created. Ground Zero (talk) 17:25, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

To help get you started contributing, we've created a tips for new contributors page, full of helpful links about policies and guidelines, style, and basic stuff like how to edit a page.

If you need help, post a question in the Arrivals lounge. Regards, Ground Zero (talk) 17:49, 17 March 2021 (UTC)

Articles nominated for deletion

AnglaisEP: I have not had a response from you in almost a week, so I have nominated for deletion the stubs that you created. You are invited to comment here. One of the stubs that you created, Salvagnac, has had content added by an unregistered user. It is now a useful article, so it is not nominated for deletion.

Please let me know if this was you, and if you are planning to work on these other articles. We are much more interested in having new articles like Salvagnac than we are in deleting articles. Thank you. Ground Zero (talk) 07:32, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Community support for your students

Je suis désolé, AnglaisEP : le long commentaire au-dessus a été écrit par un utilisateur qui est bloqué indéfiniment ; il ne parle pas pour cette communauté. Si vous ou vos étudiants avez des questions ou rencontrez des problèmes lors de votre travail sur Wikivoyage, merci de vous adresser au Traveller's Pub. Bien à vous, ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 22:00, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Anglais EP: You and your students are welcome here, and they will be supported by Wikivoyage contributors including me. We are very tolerant of errors made by new contributors, whether they are grammatical errors, or formatting errors, or procedural errors. I have taken the liberty of deleting the above comment from your talk page as it was posted by someone who is not welcome in our community. We do not tolerate racism and anti-semitism. Ground Zero (talk) 02:32, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Très bien, et j'aimerais suite français en français. SHB2000 (talk) 05:45, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

I'll also support them along w. Ground Zero. SHB2000 (talk) 06:03, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

@AnglaisEP: I hope no one does a personal attack on your students like what happened to me. SHB2000 (talk) 08:57, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Listings template

Hi, AnglaisEP. Please have a look at Wikivoyage:Listings and ask your students to use listing templates when they add information about specific sights, stores, restaurants, bars and hotels. At a minimum, we need street addresses and/or geocoordinates, phone numbers (where applicable - some sights won't have them) and URLs. Welcome, newcomers should be a good resource for all of you, and also Welcome, Wikipedians for anyone who's more familiar with our sister site than this one.

Please lean on experienced users for advice any time you need it and encourage your students to do so, as well. Any of you should feel welcome to post questions in the Travellers' pub. Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:58, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Thank you for those pieces of advice. My students are quite young, it not easy for them to understand how everything works, and it is not easy for me neither. I'll do my best during this week-end to add some information if their articles are not complete. I'm happy that we can talk together and I now better understand how everything works. It is also a great lesson for my students. Wikis are often badly seen in France because everyone can contribute. But it is amazing for them to be able to see that everything is verified and that contributors can exchange together.AnglaisEP (talk) 07:33, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Hey AnglaisEP, just a little note, I'll be on the lookout for grammatical errors (fixed some on Lagrave). By the way, are User:Thomascruss and User:Chloé Mattéo your students? SHB2000 (talk) 10:07, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Hello! User:Chloé Mattéo are two of my students. I do not know about User:Thomascruss, why? Thank you for your help User:SHB2000. AnglaisEP (talk) 12:13, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

So I can be a little lenient on them with grammatical errors. SHB2000 (talk) 01:12, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

My bad! User:Thomascruss is also one of my students!AnglaisEP (talk) 08:45, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

I see. SHB2000 (talk) 08:55, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

What about User:Soso.dom? SHB2000 (talk) 09:01, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Yes, she is one of my students.AnglaisEP (talk) 16:11, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Created a demo article for your students.

Bonjour AnglaisEP,

I've created a demo article for your students to look up to. Considering some of those are very small, see Innamincka; a town of 44 people in my home country; Australia, which 465km away from any town (distance from Toulouse to Lyon) if they've having trouble finding a good article that covers a very small town or village, as I really can't find any as well. It's almost done but there's always room for improvement.

Merci beaucoup et a bîentot, SHB2000 (talk) 10:51, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Look at Childs, a star-level article about a tiny town. Bouzigues is a star article about a town of about 1,600 in France. If you want to see all the star articles, look at Category:Star articles. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:55, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Oh, thanks, I didn't realise that link. Do you have any for outback towns? SHB2000 (talk) 10:57, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Look through the category and see. You'll want to look at Menzies, though. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:58, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Thanks, I'll also look at Kununurra SHB2000 (talk) 10:59, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Menzies is also a little bit out of date. SHB2000 (talk) 11:00, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Please update as appropriate. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:37, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Just by looking at Google Maps. SHB2000 (talk) 21:07, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

@Ikan Kekek, though there aren't any guide level outback town articles with populations less than 100. Innamincka has only 44. SHB2000 (talk) 21:10, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Merci aux étudiants et étudiantes

We are very happy to have so many new articles! How is your class project going? Is it continuing, or has it been finished? Ground Zero (talk) 11:35, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

VfD discussion

On 17 March, this new user created a bunch of stubs in this format: "Gaillac is in Region name." The user has not responded to talk page enquiries. Of these, only one has had further work done (Salvagnac). The remainder are nominated for deletion, but I will withdraw the nominations of any articles that have useful content added during the period of the deletion discussion. Ground Zero (talk) 07:27, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

• Cordes-sur-Ciel, Réalmont, Puycelsi, Castelnau-de-Montmiral, Vaour, Giroussens, Cahuzac-sur-Vère, Couffouleux, Saint-Sulpice, Graulhet, Lisle-sur-Tarn, Valderiès, Lagrave, Cadalen, Briatexte, Brens, Lautrec, Gaillac

The one article has indeed got content. I see no use to hurry deleting the others, as the user may well work on them one by one. As long as the work is ongoing (with possible reasonable breaks) I would leave them alone. –LPfi (talk) 09:35, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Partially Oppose - I initially started to create plenty of stubs until User:ThunderingTyphoons! game me advise to work on it one by one. We may as well give this advise to this new editor. SHB2000 (talk) 09:50, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

As noted above, "The user has not responded to talk page enquiries." If (s)he does return the messages and start working on the stubs, or if someone else decides to work on one or more them, the relevant nomination will be withdrawn, just as the one for Salvagnac was.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:09, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Maybe wait for 2 more weeks. SHB2000 (talk) 10:11, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

14 days is the normal period a VfD nomination is open for, so that works.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:16, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

We could get an editor from the french wikivoyage to come over and give their knowledge about it here. SHB2000 (talk) 10:22, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Okay, so looking at fr:Tarn, there is a decent article for fr:Lautrec, which would easily count as usable on en.wikivoyage, and could be translated. fr:Gaillac and fr:Cordes-sur-Ciel have a small amount of content (mostly 'See' listings), and are outlines. Castelnau-de-Montmiral and fr:Puycelsi are empty skeletons like here. The others created by AnglaisEP don't exist as articles on fr.wikivoyage.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:35, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

I'd suggest we keep Tarn and Lautrec but delete all the others but translating the two with my terrible french. SHB2000 (talk) 10:46, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

I don't know if the unregistered editor who added content to Salvagnac is AnglaisEP. I don't know if there is any connection between that article being nominated for deletion and content being added to it. I am hoping that this nomination will nudge AnglaisEP to talk to us to let us know their intentions. I have posted a comment on their talk page encouraging them to engage with us. As someone else has pointed out, we have a long history with new editors who create a bunch of stubs then disappear, so we should delete these if nothing happens, but let's hope content is added so that we don't have to. Ground Zero (talk) 12:09, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

I've left a request in Lautrec. SHB2000 (talk) 12:14, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

I've started translating Lautrec and would appreciate it if other French-speakers could muck in.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:29, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Google Translate is very effective in translating European language. In the Chrome browser, you can enable automatic translation, then copy and paste. It it still avoid idea to review the English for errors. Ground Zero (talk) 14:41, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

Ta. It's not the translation that takes the time, though, but rather that the original article hasn't used the listing template much and also has mostly omitted contact details for attractions etc.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 15:42, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

• As things stand, delete--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:09, 23 March 2021 (UTC)
• Keep Cordes-sur-Ciel, based mainly on de:Cordes-sur-Ciel, I have started on this one. AlasdairW (talk) 22:50, 24 March 2021 (UTC)

• Yep. Speedy keep for that article, and thanks for your work, AlasdairW! Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:45, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

I'm sorry for the delay. I did not know how to answer your messages. I'm an English teacher in France. The new categories were created for a class project. My students have made some research about their village in France. They are going to complete their articles today... I'm sorry for this misunderstanding and thank you for your work AnglaisEP (talk) 06:05, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Then what was the reason for you not responding to Ground Zero's messages? SHB2000 (talk) 06:47, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

@AnglaisEP: Very sorry about the misunderstanding. You might want to create a userpage to make it clear you're an educator. Vaticidalprophet (talk) 06:58, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

AnglaisEP: I am very glad to hear that your students will be working on these articles. We will not delete any articles that they are working on. I look forward to seeing the results of their work. Ground Zero (talk) 09:38, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Hope it'll work well and I'm looking forward to articles all over France which should help me when I visit France in 2023. Merci et Au revoir,SHB2000 (talk) 09:44, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

AnglaisEP, could you please have a look at Wikivoyage:Listings and ask your students to use listing templates instead of describing restaurants and hotels in prose? We need specific information on their street addresses, phone numbers and URLs at a minimum. Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:47, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

I'll do my best during this week-end to add more specific information. But it will take some time, I have 48 students... I think I did not realize the amount of work when I started the project. They are young and some of them are English beginners, so I really need to read through their work to correct some mistakes. I'll do my best, promise!AnglaisEP (talk) 07:40, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

We will all be happy to help you; don't worry, and thanks for assigning this! We love having students add information here and hope some of them will get hooked on editing here and stay on their own time afterwards. Just let us know what we can do to help. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:01, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

That is how I first edited Wikipedia, got hooked, but regret editing unregistered and now I'm done and over with Wikipedia. SHB2000 (talk) 10:19, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Nominations for deletion suspended

As AnglaisEP has advised us that students will be working on these articles, the nomination for deletion should be suspended until the end of their project. I hope that all of the articles will be developed and we can withdraw the nominations altogether. Ground Zero (talk) 22:19, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

Agreed.

I was getting into editing Lautrec, so it'll be hard to step back for a while, but hopefully the student who edits it will actually have some first-hand experience--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 22:24, 25 March 2021 (UTC)

@TT, I will still fix gramatical errors on their articles (which I've done for Lagrave) as don't forget, this is a travel guide and we don't want the traveller trying to read chicken scratch. SHB2000 (talk) 10:18, 26 March 2021 (UTC)

Indeed. At the end of the project, we can decide whether some of the articles might be better placed as redirects, but let's help the students make the articles as good as they can be. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:14, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Isn't the whole point of the exercise to try out their English writing? Granted, there are a lot of grammatical errors, but shouldn't the teacher be spotting them and suggesting corrections to the students herself? If we start correcting what they're doing, particularly at a language level, there may not be much of the students' work left by the end of their exercise. Perhaps at least check with AnglaisEP first whether she wants us to help out and if so how? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 12:28, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

I think this has already been checked. Look at discussion on User talk:AnglaisEP. But it could be further clarified: AnglaisEP, do you want us to hold off on certain kinds of edits to the articles your students are working on? Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:52, 27 March 2021 (UTC)

Shouldn't we move the articles from mainspace to userspace for students? This is a travel guide, not a learning website. AnglaisEP et al. are better off at Wikiversity. --Soumya-8974 (he) (talk • contribs) 08:03, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

Question: Shouldn't we move the articles from mainspace to userspace for students? Answer: Maybe, but that's not essential. As for the rest of your remarks, I strongly disagree. We've welcomed students to this site several times, and it's been beneficial in increasing coverage of several areas of the world (the Seoul area, for example). And besides, all new users have learning curves here. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:01, 28 March 2021 (UTC)

We don't need this discussion here anymore, and it's cluttering up the page. Where should it be swept to? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 09:09, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

There remain three stub articles. I have asked AnglaisEP to let us know if the project is continuing. Ground Zero (talk) 11:42, 1 April 2021 (UTC)

Since the two-week nomination period is up, and not hearing anything from AnglaisEP, I'm plunging forward and deleting the three articles that remain as stubs.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:04, 6 April 2021 (UTC)