Talk:Fiction tourism

Rename title?

It seems the content is about traveling to film shooting locations. Instead the title could suggest that it is about visiting iconic cinemas.

Could it be changed to Film tourism or Film set tourism ? --Andrewssi2 (talk) 04:04, 27 April 2015 (UTC)

Film tourism will do. /Yvwv (talk) 22:40, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

We could redirect film set tourism to this very page Hobbitschuster (talk) 22:50, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

Africa

Are there any well known movies that were actually shot in Africa? In know that some African countries (was it Nigeria? Or was it Angola?) actually have a huge domestic film industry, but sadly hardly any of those movies are ever watched outside Africa... Hobbitschuster (talk) 22:58, 28 April 2015 (UTC)

umm.. w:District_9 and w:Cinema_of_Nigeria ('Nollywood') --Andrewssi2 (talk) 00:01, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

Oh yes, the upcoming w:Mad_Max:_Fury_Road film was shot in Namibia. (The Australian desert unexpectedly had a flood which caused flowers to grow everywhere) --Andrewssi2 (talk) 00:11, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

quite a few desert films or desert scenes are shot in North Africa. w:The Man Who Would Be King (film), some places mentioned in Game of Thrones tourism, etc. Pashley (talk) 17:52, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

w:The Gods Must Be Crazy was an international success, produced by South Africans & shot in Botswana. I do not know where the sequel was filmed. Both are worth seeing. Pashley (talk) 17:56, 9 August 2018 (UTC)

Zulu was shot in Namibia. Much of the Tatooine footage in Star Wars: A New Hope was shot in Tunisia. The African Queen has lots of footage from various locations in Uganda and the DRC. Of course none of these are produced by African companies but they all have extensive African location shooting.Beeelb (talk) 00:23, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

Avoiding a list?

How can we avoid this being too listy? After all every single film and TV series ever made had a filming location.... --Andrewssi2 (talk) 01:12, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

We can require the listings to have at least one of the following:

• A museum, an organized tour, a theme park, or some other kind of on-site hospitality
• Purpose-built sets, such as Hobbiton at Waikato
• An itinerary article on Wikivoyage, such as Breaking Bad Tour

/Yvwv (talk) 01:48, 29 April 2015 (UTC)

• An explanation about the location and its significance in the movie or TV show or even its fictional name in the movie or TV show. Examples are in the Back to the Future tourism and Indiana Jones tourism articles and also in the Mansfield (Ohio) article for Shawshank Redemption. —The preceding comment was added by Anyone150 (talk • contribs)

There are some examples of locations that are so commonly used (e.g. Vazquez rocks in LA, Cortlandt Alley in NYC, or Monument Valley on the Navajo Nation) that listing every film and TV production that used them would be exhausting and is probably duplicative of Wikipedia.Beeelb (talk) 00:43, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

Requested topics

Some authors, franchises or genres might be worthy of a section or an article:

• Agatha Christie tourism
• Asterix/Astérix
• Black Mirror
• Carl Hamilton tourism/Jan Guillou tourism
• Crazy Rich Asians
• Crime fiction
• Doctor Who tourism
• Dukes of Hazzard: In real life the fictional Hazzard County was filmed in Covington, Conyers, and Oxford GA for the first few episodes in 1978-1979. Subsequent episodes were filmed in California. The California locations were the Walt Disney Golden Oaks Ranch in Newhall; Santa Clarita, and the Warner Brothers Burbank Studios.
• Foundation tourism
• Godfather tourism.
• Gilligan's Island - the departure scene filmed in Ala Wai Boat Harbor in Waikiki, HI and eventually "shipwrecked" on Moloa’a Beach in Kauai, Hawai’i. The island in the opening credit of season 1 was filmed is Sandy Cay in the British Virgin Islands while the opening credits for seasons 2 & 3 was filmed in Coconut Island (or Moku O'Loe) in Oahu's Kaneohe Bay to portray Gilligan's Island. Most of the scenes for Gilligan's Island were filmed at the Radford Studio Center (formerly CBS Studio Center) in Los Angeles, CA. There was a lot of discussion and fascination about Gilligan's Island on social media hence why I requested on here.
• The Good, The Bad and The Ugly or Spaghetti Western
• The Handmaid's Tale
• Hitchhiker's Guide to the Galaxy
• Inga Lindström/Inga Lindström tourism - [1] w:Christiane Sadlo
• Ingmar Bergman tourism
• Ivanhoe
• Jane Austen tourism
• John Steinbeck tourism - Grapes of Wrath
• Mad Max tourism
• Mark Twain tourism / Adventures of Tom Sawyer
• Midsomer Murders
• Narnia tourism; real-life location in contrast to Wikivoyage:Joke articles/Narnia
• Night of the Iguana in Puerto Vallarta Mexico. Puerto Vallarta is known for the Night of the Iguana but not sure how popular or well known that movie is/was.
• Heinrich Heine tourism - whose most famous work "Deutschland eine Winterreise" has a travel focus even in its title
• O Brother, Where Art Thou?
• Oppenheimer tour, some overlap with Golden Age of Modern Physics and Nuclear tourism
• Scientific romance and steampunk - settings of stories by writers such as Jules Verne, H.G. Wells and Mary Shelley, and modern works inspired by those
• Shakespeare tourism
• Sherlock Holmes and Jack The Ripper
• Smallville American TV show set in the fictional town of Smallville KS that was actually filmed primarily in Vancouver Canada but some of the filming also took place in Victoria too.
• Squid Game
• Sound of Music
• Star Trek and its spin-off shows - Yes what happened up in space and in the USS Enterprise were filmed in the studios. When the team beams down to a planet they were filmed in various outside locations in Southern California such as Vasquez Rocks in Agua Dulce or California State University in Northridge.
• Studio zone (wikipedia:Studio zone) - famous film sets within the 30-mile zone around Hollywood. Due to the amount of film sets, we would have to limit the list to the most iconic ones.
• Tenet tour: Kiev, Oslo and Tallinn
• Thelma & Louise
• Tomb Raider
• Trainspotting (both the book/film and the activity could be relevant for an article)
• Transformers tourism
• Zorro

I'd add Haruki Murakami tourism --Andrewssi2 (talk) 19:58, 20 October 2015 (UTC)

Star Wars tourism and Lord of the Rings tourism. Generalized topics such as Vampire tourism, Horror fiction tourism and crime fiction tourism could also be interesting. /Yvwv (talk) 12:19, 25 October 2015 (UTC)

The Emigrants' Trail through Sweden and the United States; based on Vilhelm Moberg's books. /Yvwv (talk) 18:43, 2 November 2015 (UTC)

Disney tourism including theme parks, studios, real-life locations that inspired cartoon locations, as well as live-action film sets. /Yvwv (talk) 04:39, 10 November 2015 (UTC)

For the 1001 Nights, as I mention below:

At one point I started an article on Sinbad but I lost interest & have not edited it in over four years. Would anyone want to finish that? Pashley (talk) 19:07, 31 October 2017 (UTC)

• Dan Brown tour / Robert Langdon tour (or a better name) for Da Vinci Code and its sequels

Fiction?

I think everything currently listed could be described as fiction, but that risks offending some people. Things like Robin Hood or Exodus of Moses might better be called myth or even history.

Move those links elsewhere? Change this article's name? Add a note that it includes myth as well as fiction? Pashley (talk) 15:04, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

No one today would seriously call Robin Hood anything else than fiction. When it comes to Exodus of Moses, it can be described within the scope of Religion and spirituality. /Yvwv (talk) 15:09, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

What about places like Troy (Turkey) for the Illad or Kurukshetra for the Gita? Worth adding here? Pashley (talk) 15:14, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

Speaking of Troy... Would the Odyssey be a useful itinerary/travel topic? How many real-world locations can be found? /Yvwv (talk) 18:17, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

I think the problem with the Odyssey is that it seems to describe some stuff that has a real basis (Scylla and Charybdis may well be based on the tide in the strait of Messina) it is distorted by the need to tell a story. I think having a travel topic on the Odissey would be a bit like finding the "real" Springfield or the "real" Sunnydale, CA. Hobbitschuster (talk) 19:44, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

I'd say any of the great epics -- Iliad & Odyssey, Ramayana, Mahabharata,for all I know Gilgamesh & Beowulf, and perhaps others -- could be topics if someone wanted to take the trouble. On the other hand, I do not think an Iliad article is anywhere near necessary and if we did create one it might be just a redirect to Troy.

At one point I started an article on Sinbad but I lost interest & have not edited it in over four years. Would anyone want to finish that? Pashley (talk) 20:51, 7 September 2017 (UTC)

I think the epics, religion and mythology should have its own page, distinct from "fiction tourism" but also distinct from "history". Not sure if Robin Hood or King Arthur would come under fiction or mythology though. Gizza ^(roam) 09:13, 5 August 2018 (UTC)

Merge?

Should Literary travel be merged into this article? I'd say yes. Discussion at Talk:Literary_travel#Merge_with_fiction_tourism? Pashley (talk) 21:55, 23 July 2018 (UTC)

Does every title need the word "tourism"?

We now have a broad collection of themed articles. Most but far from all have the word tourism in their title. Do they need that word, or does that only make the title too long?

Titles which describe genres, such as Nordic Noir and horror fiction, seem to do without the word, as well as titles of single works, such as Around The World In Eighty Days and Easy Rider. But maybe Marvel Cinematic Universe tourism could use a shorter title? /Yvwv (talk) 20:41, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

Going round the world overland (whether in 80 days or 3 years) is already inherently travel, so adding "...tourism" would be redundant. K7L (talk) 23:51, 16 August 2018 (UTC)

I tried to make an argument about articles about fiction tourism. /Yvwv (talk) 00:41, 17 August 2018 (UTC)

Need help improving/expanding three filming locations articles which might help get many more people to hear about Wikivoyage

Swept in from the pub

In order to significantly increase the readership of Wikivoyage I decided to shift my focus to develop a couple of prominent articles the would focus on the filming locations of some of the biggest and most profitable film series of all time.

So far I have created the following three outline articles:

• Back to the Future tourism
• Mission Impossible tourism
• Fast & Furious tourism.

Is anyone interested in helping me expand and improve these articles? I am hoping we'll be able to get them in decent shape collaborativly so that the many fans whom would find out about these articles (after we'll add links at Wikipedia) won't be disapointed, and would rather decide to spread the word about Wikivoyage.

ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 01:01, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

I was curious as to whether the current Fiction tourism articles are big drawcards and bring in readers. All of them bar literary travel were created post-fork and therefore won't be crushed by the SEO hammer like many of our older pages. The results are mixed [2] Some of the current articles and short in length and in substance and don't fare so well. Others were longer but still don't get many views (like Lord of the Rings). Game of Thrones is most popular which makes sense. Currency is one of the biggest factors that influences pageviews. If it is in the cinemas, people will want to read about travelling to those film locations. Also, the two comic book franchises (DC and Marvel) are constantly churning out new movies. The Avengers and Justice League could be good additions to the current list. Gizza ^(roam) 06:25, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

I'd expect that category would miss a few relevant articles as it's searching for travel topics and some of the content (such as Radiator Springs) is itinerary. K7L (talk) 13:50, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Good point. All the more reason for itineraries to be breadcrumbed and categorised. Gizza ^(roam) 04:35, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

Side question from me on film (or celebrity) mentions in destinations. I recently updated Glenfinnan, where the railway viaduct has been used in many films, most recently by Harry Potter. I found myself kicking against the whole HP marketing onslaught and restricted it to a single mention. Would this have any effect on page views? I do think it helped readability. Grahamsands (talk) 21:36, 19 July 2018 (UTC)

Yes it seems like it's a bit of a battle, especially against certain fandoms. It's obviously worth a mention that it's featured prominently in one of the most successful and beloved film franchises of this century, but it hardly requires an essay on it. I personally added a reference to the Jacobite steam train and a mention of HP in a heritage railways article since, while I'm not a big HP fan, it's probably useful to know, but again, a simple mention is all that's needed.Beeelb (talk) 00:28, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

Based on this discussion I decided to create the following two filming locations articles which would probably gather most interest. Please help me expand/improve them.

• Marvel Cinematic Universe tourism
• DC Extended Universe tourism

ויקיג'אנקי (talk) 15:09, 20 July 2018 (UTC)

Toronto locations

Toronto Film Map Reveals Where All Your Favourite Films Were Shot Pashley (talk) 06:22, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

Would Toronto in film (or Toronto in fiction) be a good title? /Yvwv (talk) 11:18, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

I do not think a separate article is warranted, though I would not object if someone wanted to write one. A link in this article — either to the article I linked or to the map on a U of Toronto site — would be worthwhile though. Pashley (talk) 13:03, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

I started Stockholm in fiction. /Yvwv (talk) 14:23, 16 November 2018 (UTC)

The thing is, Toronto - much like Görlitz - is one of those places where stuff is shot that isn't set there... Hobbitschuster (talk) 10:06, 28 February 2019 (UTC)

Fandom tourism?

Swept in from the pub

We have pages for Fiction tourism, where we point people at the locations where particular movies and television shows were filmed. Do we have anything similar for fandom tourism, where the locals have embraced a particular work of fiction and added so many references to that work to their town that the location becomes a tourist attraction in itself for other fans of the work? The only such place I can think of is Vulcan (Alberta), where you can't throw a tribble without hitting a Star Trek model, display, or mural, but that can't be the only such place in existence. --Robkelk (talk) 18:41, 4 November 2018 (UTC)

Juzcar and Smurfs come to mind, but this is adequately addressable as fiction tourism. I'd prefer not to use "fan-dumb" as an article title. K7L (talk) 03:11, 5 November 2018 (UTC)

Rocky Horror

The ‘Rocky Horror Picture Show’ Castle Is Now a Luxury Hotel, and You Can Stay There Pashley (talk) 03:14, 30 March 2019 (UTC)

Deletion of non-informative content

There seems to be a fair amount of jokey, not-really-imformative content in places in this article. Such as references to "that one rock in Southern California" (I added a listing for Vazquez Rocks) and "that quarry in Wales" (I don't know where that is otherwise I would have fixed the listing). I'm going to delete these unless anyone can come up with a good reason to keep them.Beeelb (talk) 00:36, 19 November 2019 (UTC)

Schitt's Creek

Schitt’s Creek locations in Ontario you need to visit, see w:Schitt's Creek for background. I doubt this needs an article, but someone might want to do one. Pashley (talk) 16:53, 29 September 2020 (UTC)

Wodehouse

P G Wodehouse in London, for now only virtual tours. The company also has many other guide walks. Pashley (talk) 09:20, 3 October 2020 (UTC)

Backlot tourism

Swept in from the pub

I wonder if this would be a viable travel topic. For sure there are numerous film studios that run tours of their backlot for tourists. Universal Studios Hollywood is the most prominent example, but I wonder if any of the other Hollywood studios still have backlots, or if they have all been replaced by CGI these days. I know that MGM's backlot was demolished in the 1970s to make way for suburban housing developments. Backlots certainly still exist in China, Japan and South Korea for the filming of period dramas, and there are some that you can visit as a tourist. I myself visited one in Kyoto known as Toei Uzumasa Eigamura, although all the shows are in Japanese so I'm not sure if it will be something English speakers would be interested in. The dog2 (talk) 15:52, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

Maybe start be adding a few lines to Fiction tourism#Films, and see how far it takes you? WhatamIdoing (talk) 15:59, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

OK. I don't know if that counts as fiction tourism per se, because it's more of a tour to learn about screen productions, but I'll see where I can fit it in that article. The dog2 (talk) 17:27, 18 August 2022 (UTC)

There is a Universal Studios article on Wikivoyage that would come close. The one in Hollywood, California is actually used as a 'backlot' while the others in Florida and Asia are theme parks. I don't know if Universal Studios, Florida or in Asia were ever used as a functioning 'backlot' for producing movies. Also, keep in mind, there are movie ranches all over California which are lands owned by the movie studios used for 'on location' settings with buildings, streets, gardens and even cityscapes of different architectural eras to be used for different filming scenarios in outdoor settings. Unfortunately most are not accessible to the public either. With people and companies leaving California in droves there could more of these movie ranches and studios appearing in other locations such as Memphis, Tennessee or Atlanta, Georgia. Anyone150 (talk) 20:08, 7 February 2023 (UTC)

Policy on celebrity homes?

Some travellers want to scout out the homes of writers, actors and other celebrities connected to works of fiction. This is however a bit controversial. Does Wikivoyage need a policy on celebrity homes? Reasonably, we should include official residences, museums and places which have organized hospitality themselves. Homes and workplaces of celebrities deceased for a long time (Jane Austen tourism etc) can be included within travel topics. Shall we, as a general rule, discourage information of current celebrity homes? /Yvwv (talk) 14:12, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

Do we really need a special policy, separate from the illegal activities policy? If it's legal, it can be mentioned. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:18, 15 February 2023 (UTC)

Confusion about article name

This page is linked to Q7829104, and it's genre of fiction according to Wikipedia. However, to me, this Wikivoyage article seems to introduce tourist attractions related to a fiction work. Is this really same as "Tourism fiction"? If no, I think the current name is very confusing. Japanese Wikipedia has an article "Content tourism", but it might be Japanese-English because that article says that this is the first time it has been written in a report by a Japanese ministry. --Tmv (talk) 11:51, 7 September 2023 (UTC)

Travel topic listing details

Per Wikivoyage:Travel topic article template,

"If you add listings to specific venues, the full listing should go to a destination article. The listing in the travel topic article should describe the venue in the context of the topic, to help the reader to know whether they are interested. Details, such as street addresses, prices and phone numbers, should be omitted from the travel topic article. Instead link the full listing, or the section or article containing it."

I've removed the listings details from the article, ensuring that they are in the city articles. Please don't add any more. Ground Zero (talk) 18:12, 6 February 2024 (UTC)

Guidance on fiction tourism

Swept in from the pub

As mentioned in the above thread, I was doing some work on Mission: Impossible tourism. The films generally have a lot of on location shots from around the world, but inevitably, some of these scenes are in sound stages or are otherwise kayfabe. Should these fiction tourism guides only include legit shooting sites or should they also lead travelers to the in-universe settings as well? If both, should there be separate markers for the two? I'm inclined to say "yes" and "no" respectively.

Additionally, for fiction as extensive as James Bond or Tintin, should we try to include all locations in one guide or split them up more-or-less arbitrarily. I'm inclined to have them all be in one, but (e.g.) with over two dozen Bond films going virtually everywhere, this could be a pretty complex guide and extensive map. I think that's a good thing, but there may be something I'm missing. Thanks. —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 04:37, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

There are different types of fiction media and the answer to the above questions may vary depending on the type it is. For some movies, the shooting locations are important whereas in others the in-universe settings take precedence. Also for books and video games, there are no shooting locations but there is an in-universe potentially, although fans may be interested in the biography of the writer/creator of the book/game and want to travel to locations related to them. As long as the number of markers doesn't exceed 100, and the article itself is divided and structured well so it isn't confusing to a reader, I don't see any harm in including as many locations as possible. Gizza ^(roam) 05:26, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

In the case of James Bond, either approach (shooting locations, in-universe) could definitely pass 100. Do you have a recommendation on how to split it up? —Justin (koavf)❤T☮C☺M☯ 05:33, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

From my understanding, errors start to appear once the marker number hits 99. However, Roman Empire has around 250 listings and restarts the numbering for many countries. But it doesn't do it for all countries which is weird. The numbers for Austria are from 1 to 5 for example but 13 to 35 for Turkey, which doesn't make sense to me. Anyway, something like that could be adopted for James Bond. I can't think of any good way to split James Bond listings. Gizza ^(roam) 08:39, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

I there a limit of 99 listings in all (because of server load) or is it about listings of the same type (probably because of a two-digit limit hardcoded somewhere)? If the latter, it is easy to split them up, for the Bond case e.g. by film. –LPfi (talk) 10:32, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

To clarify, when I said "I can't think of any good way to split James Bond listings", I meant into different articles. Splitting them into different sections, with the marker numbers restarting would work well for different films or by the actor who played Bond. I don't know for sure I suspect there is a two-digit limit hardcoded somewhere. Gizza ^(roam) 23:30, 20 February 2024 (UTC)

Just an off-topic stuff: I think the destinations of the Roman Empire travel topic should be split into separate travel topics like Roman Britain, Roman Iberia, Roman Italy etc. Sbb1413 (he) (talk • contribs) 15:05, 27 February 2024 (UTC)