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I'm not quite sure how to interpret the districts here, but we could loosely use the boundaries from http://www.visitnsw.com.au/

Unfortunately that doesn't quite work for Central Tablelands (New South Wales) because Dubbo (and Lithgow) aren't usually considered part of it. However there's really no other places to put them. -- (WT-en) Hypatia 11:51, 16 Sep 2004 (EDT)

Having thought it over, I'm going to move Central Tablelands to Central West (which is a more usual name among the inhabitants, although visitnsw calls it "Central NSW"). -- (WT-en) Hypatia 11:53, 16 Sep 2004 (EDT)

Nine citiesEdit

Current criteriaEdit

Project:Geographical hierarchy#Dividing_geographical_units notes that we should list 7±2 things under headings like "Cities". So, we have 9 cities listed, here are the reasons why:

DiscussionEdit

Please discuss changes to the "Cities" listing here. (WT-en) Hypatia 22:04, 15 July 2006 (EDT)

At the moment, the cities aren't a good regional spread. Sydney, Newcastle and Wollongong all occupy the middle bit of the coast. Aside from those three (which I think are unavoidable definites), we have Coffs Harbour, Port Macquarie and Tweed Heads which are all on the north coast, and Albury-Wodonga and Wagga Wagga both in the south central/west Riverina area. (WT-en) Hypatia 22:04, 15 July 2006 (EDT)
Reviving a 14yo old post but I think Tweed Heads and Wagga Wagga aren't that popular or significant as Dubbo and they should be removed. SHB2000 (talk) 06:59, 23 March 2021 (UTC)

QueanbeyanEdit

Can someone who knows NSW find a home in one of the regions for Queanbeyan? --(WT-en) Evan 09:23, 14 December 2006 (EST)

RegionsEdit

There seems to be confusion as to whether the far north coast (Byron and surrounds) area fits under Northern Rivers or North Coast. Thoughts? Merge? (WT-en) Ronaldo123 19:00, 24 February 2009 (EST)

The Northern Rivers covers an area from the Queensland border, south at least as far as Grafton. By any definition the Northern Rivers has to include Byron. The North Coast could easily be considered anything north of the Hunter, all the way to the border, so there is definately going to be some overlap there. North Coast makes for a very large region, from Taree to the Tweed. However, leaving the North Coast and Northern Rivers as two separate regions is always going to cause confusion. If even locals don't know where the regions start and end, what chance travellers? --(WT-en) Inas 19:55, 24 February 2009 (EST)
I've reviewed the articles, and it is obvious that the intention was to make the regions up the coast from Sydney, be Central Coast, Hunter Valley, North Coast and then Northern Rivers. I've adjusted this article content accordingly. Doesn't mean we can't still make it better, but for now, it at least reads okay. --(WT-en) Inas 00:09, 25 February 2009 (EST)
I've drawn a quick region map, which does more to highlight the problems with the current regions, then it does to actually clarify anything. There are a couple of areas of the state definately not covered by any region. The regions close into city are so small, especially Southern Highlands, Central Coast, Blue mountains, that they are hard to show. I think the only way that this is going to work, is to do regions around Sydney, and the remainder of the state.  :::The regions around Sydney would be
  • Central Coast
  • Illawarra
  • Blue Mountains
  • Southern Highlands
  • Sydney city
This makes sense to me and this could be a close up map, showing a few of the destinations and routes.
Then we have the regional regiona
  • Far West
  • Central Wwest
  • Riverina
  • New England
  • Northern Rivers
  • North Coast
  • South Coast (incorporate Shoalhaven into this, which is really just Jarvis and Nowra)
  • Snowy
We need to add a region for Albury, and add a region for Goulburn to Canberra & surrounds. --(WT-en) Inas 00:34, 27 February 2009 (EST)
Good to see the map. Back to the Byron related question, wouldn't most just consider the North Coast to be everything north of the Hunter, and within itself possibly halved into Mid North Coast and Northern Rivers? Also agreed South Coast should incorporate Shoalhaven area (perhaps as a subregion if it needs to). Along the lines of the BoM [1] the Albury-Goulburn could simply be called South West (New South Wales) which incorporates the more formal 'Southern Tablelands' and 'South West Slopes' (WT-en) Ronaldo123 07:34, 27 February 2009 (EST)
I agree, what is called North Coast, is really the mid-north coast. I wouldn't like to see another level in the hierarchy though - really. It is probably a bit misleading to have it labelled the North Coast (but I've seen worse). Do you think we should rename it? I agree with South West, incorporating Goulburn to Albury, excluding the Snowy. --(WT-en) Inas 22:20, 27 February 2009 (EST)
I think that the North Coast should be named the Mid North Coast (as is in the BOM site and others) [2]. The Northern Rivers area usually extends to south of Grafton in most regional maps. The South West sounds fine for incorporating Goulburn to Albury. (WT-en) Cgoodwin 23:47, 16 March 2009 (EDT)
Okay, North Coast will be renamed, and South West New South Wales will be created, according to the consensus above, in the next week or so. If anybody has any better suggestions, would be good make them now. I won't rename Northern Rivers for now. Nothing stopping us doing more updates later, if better divisions raise. --(WT-en) Inas 00:23, 20 March 2009 (EDT)
North Coast is now Mid-North Coast. --(WT-en) Inas 22:31, 26 March 2009 (EDT)

CanberraEdit

The Canberra article indicates that it is located in this region, but this article seems to avoid mention of it in the Regions and Cities sections, and on the map. Shouldn't the Australian Capital Territory be a subregion of New South Wales (irrespective of the political distinction)? (WT-en) LtPowers 19:18, 21 July 2009 (EDT)

Yes. (WT-en) Jpatokal 07:28, 22 July 2009 (EDT)
I agree it sounds good, but I don't think it will ever work. It's like making Washington D.C. part of a Virginia region. From a visitors point of view it might make sense, but everyone who ever looks at it is just going to think it is a mistake, because the ACT isn't part of New South Wales, like Washington D.C. isn't part of Virginia. If we every did this we would need to rename the region New South Wales and the ACT. --(WT-en) Inas 20:49, 23 November 2011 (EST)
D.C. is coterminous with the city of Washington, so it's not directly comparable. Assuming, though, the federal district was about the size of a county, however, I would absolutely make it a subregion of Maryland. (WT-en) LtPowers 10:39, 24 November 2011 (EST)

Region MapEdit

I've updated the region map to get rid of the holes, and make it correspond to the prose.

I kinda like this slow evolution of regions --(WT-en) Inas 20:43, 23 November 2011 (EST)

Hunter ValleyEdit

I think the Hunter Valley region and its subpages need a good re-work. Before I dive in I'd like to propose a change to the region structure. I think the overarching region should be Hunter (as it is referred to twice on this talk page already).

I think sub-regions of Hunter should then be:

  • Hunter Valley
  • Upper Hunter
  • Port Stephens
  • Barrington Tops

and then Greater Newcastle (?) or Newcastle and Lake Macquarie (?) or Newcastle, and Lake Macquarie separately. The current sub-region of Pokolbin should be changed to a town/village of Hunter Valley (technically a locality).

Thoughts? --tiimta (hello) 12:07, 29 July 2013 (UTC)

Sorry, I didn't see this before reorganizing since it wasn't on the Hunter talk page.
I flattened the structure so that Hunter is a region and everything below is a city.
There is potential content to build it up in the way you suggested, but with the present content I think this works better for now. --Andrewssi2 (talk) 06:00, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

New South Wales bannersEdit

I have been running a side project over the past weeks to slowly create banners for all the NSW regions. Only some of these banners below are mine (most of the good ones are from other people). I'm finding most CC images of Australia are rather boring, mostly relying on open empty landscapes.

 
New South Wales I don't think this is quite at the quality that we want for a state level article



 
Blue Mountains - Not convinced by this one. I think it is an interesting picture that doesn't really work as a 7:1 banner. Suggest replacing


 
Central_Coast_(New_South_Wales) - best that I could find, although I'm sure a better one can be found


 
Hunter - it works, albeit a bit lifeless



 
Shoalhaven - it works, but rather generic looking empty beach






 
New_England_(New_South_Wales) - kind of interesting, although I wonder if it really shows off the region well?



 
Snowy_Mountains - it works, and a view that one doesn't typically associate with Australia. Can't help thinking it could be more interesting though


 
South_Coast_(New_South_Wales) Not really a unique scene in Australia


Any thoughts on the diversity and how interesting each is would be appreciated. Andrewssi2 (talk) 06:03, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

As befits an open and empty country :) Jokes aside, unless there's more banners of kangaroos, koalas and wombats, and even then I'm not sure about that, there's not a whole lot of variety. Unsurprisingly, beaches are going to be favourite shots of photographers. The blues and greens and golds just stand out in contrast even for amateurs. -- torty3 (talk) 11:39, 30 October 2015 (UTC)

What to do with Shoalhaven region?Edit

Is there a good reason why Shoalhaven and South_Coast_(New_South_Wales) are split? It is confusing because from a regional perspective Shoalhaven actually belongs inside South Coast. Wikipedia : w:City_of_Shoalhaven w:South_Coast_(New_South_Wales)

User:Inas (who created origional map), User:tiimta, User:torty3 ? Thanks! --Andrewssi2 (talk) 02:23, 25 January 2016 (UTC)

I don't think there is any real designation of what is in the South Coast. And there is a density of attractions in the Shoalhaven. I guess that would have been my thinking.
I think Wikipedia is just someone else making stuff up, or copying the current tourist regions. I'm not sure there is any other basis for it.
The current division of NSW is fairly arbitrary. I can understand why people would have a problem with it, particular areas like the Southern Highlands including Goulburn, and the Riverina.
If there is an overall plan, then I have no problem with any region set proposed by anyone with an rough consensus, and enthusiasm to carry it through. I don't think there is anything special about the current. --Inas (talk) 03:09, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
I think you are right. It is not clear where Wikipedia gets the definition form. I note that the VisitNSW website suggests that South Coast is basically everywhere south of Sydney until Victoria.
Is there perhaps a better name for the South Coast article? --Andrewssi2 (talk) 03:51, 25 January 2016 (UTC)
If we look at common usage, if someone told me they were going down the South Coast, and they only made it as far as the Berry, I'd think that was pretty pathetic.. I'm not sure... We could be bold, and do something like group the Wollongong and Shoalhaven articles into a Grand Pacific Drive article, it's certainly something touristy that links the region. We can then pick up the South Coast article in Jervis Bay and southwards. It also is a division between what you can achieve in a day-trip from Sydney and what needs more planning. IMO Nowra is a day-trip, and Jervis Bay, Batemans Bay is at least a weekend. --Inas (talk) 22:16, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

Status of regionsEdit

I just completed an exercise to add a dynamic map to each region of New South Wales, adding towns and major attractions, which helps determine the quality of each.

  • Sydney - Static map already used. Generally rather unwieldy, but no changes for now.
  • Blue Mountains - 8 towns defined. I still feel that Blue Mountains is more of a destination in itself rather than a region, but the region article looks fine.
  • Central Coast - 6 towns defined. Could use a few more added.
  • Hunter - 6 towns and 6 attractions. I think this is a pretty good spread for the region.
  • Illawarra - 5 towns defined. Looks a bit bare with no inland destinations yet.
  • Shoalhaven - 5 towns defined, and should 'possibly' be merged into the Southern_Highlands_(New_South_Wales), Illawarra or South Coast regions.
  • Southern Highlands - I find the boundaries of this region a bit confusing, but otherwise deals with the area around Canberra well.
  • Central West - large region with good coverage to the south and poor coverage to the north
  • Far West - the outback is probably the least developed region (I guess it is hard to get to) - we should work on this more
  • Mid-North Coast - Good amount of listings, however the region article itself needs some urgent work to fill in the sections
  • New England - 7 towns. Seems OK.
  • Northern Rivers - 11 towns, but region article needs some work
  • Riverina - At 16 towns, this is the most busy region so far defined. Probably needs some work to make it more accessible but no splitting is required.
  • Snowy Mountains - Very small region, but given it is about Australian mountains (there are not many) it probably deserves its own article.
  • South Coast - Fairly well defined.

--Andrewssi2 (talk) 21:41, 26 January 2016 (UTC)

New South Wales..Edit

Swept in from the pub

Should the warning on the article be revised, in light of the very much increased risk? ShakespeareFan00 (talk) 16:55, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Go ahead! Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:07, 21 December 2019 (UTC)
I tried to add some info from https://www.rfs.nsw.gov.au/fire-information/fires-near-me. I think it's best to give a general warning here and direct readers to the website of the fire service for real time information. Ypsilon (talk) 19:59, 21 December 2019 (UTC)

Central West region - map errorEdit

Hi all,

The northern boundary of the Central West region is wrong. The Central West does not extend all the way north to the Queensland border.

The Walgett Shire LGA and Brewarrina Shire LGA are considered part of the Far West (New South Wales) region, according to Wikipedia, and these shires do adjoin the border between New South Wales and Queensland. Therefore the top third or top quarter of the Central West region on the map should be changed to reflect that this part of New South Wales is in fact in the Far West. The Central West region is only that part of New South Wales that is in the centre, west of Sydney.

This error is causing confusion in the description of where places on the western edge of the New England region actually are. Narrabri (Narrabri Shire LGA) and Moree (Moree Plains Shire LGA) are certainly not in the Central West. These places have no connection to towns like Parkes, Forbes, Orange, Dubbo, etc. - they are part of New England, and have more affinity with places like Tamworth, Inverell, etc.

Could anyone please fix the regions map? I tried to myself, but my Photoshop skills don't extend to fixing this kind of image file.

Thanks in advance,

KevRobbAU (talk) 09:08, 28 February 2021 (UTC)

@KevRobbAU:, unfortunately it's not my map so I don't have copyright status to it. But Sapphire Coast is also missing here. The south coast region doesn't border Victoria despite what Sydneysiders call it. SHB2000 (talk) 10:06, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Sapphire Coast not included here?Edit

@Andrewssi2: Although Sydneysiders and any other person would call Bega Valley Shire part of the south coast, the locals and information signs all have Sapphire Coast and not South Coast. Infact even, Tourist Drive 11's alternate name is also called Sapphire Coast Tourist Drive. SHB2000 (talk) 10:04, 22 March 2021 (UTC)

Flood warningEdit

Is this still needed, or should it be removed? Ground Zero (talk) 13:12, 29 March 2021 (UTC)

I've removed it. The recovery process is still ongoing but the actual floods have ended for now. Gizza (roam) 00:14, 30 March 2021 (UTC)
It's still a problem in Merimbula and Eden (New South Wales). SHB2000 (talk) 05:15, 31 March 2021 (UTC)

Penrith, NSWEdit

Does anyone here know anything about Penrith, NSW? I would like to have information on the Blind Chef Cafe added. --Apisite (talk) 23:55, 9 May 2021 (UTC)

@Apisite: the relevant page for the cafe is Sydney/Outer West, which includes the greater western hubs of Blacktown and Penrith. Gizza (roam) 00:15, 10 May 2021 (UTC)
@Apsite: - yep, can do. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 06:19, 10 May 2021 (UTC)

Choice of "Other Destinations"...Edit

I'm not sure about what sticks out to foreigners and interstate visitors, but I think the other destinations section is not the best choice one could make. I thought I might propose a list, but I genuinely want to hear what everyone else thinks. Below is mine.

  1. Blue Mountains National Park - world heritage listed national park, and significant mountain to indigenous Australians
  2. Dorrigo National Park - one of the largest Gondwana rainforests left standing today
  3. Lord Howe Island - the existing one is good enough
  4. Mount Warning National Park - the world's largest extinct volcano
  5. Sydney Harbour National Park - a harbour side national park, home to a lot of WWII era military fortifications, and is one of the last homes of the endangered bandicoots
  6. Jenolan Caves - some of the world's most finest karst landscapes
  7. Mungo National Park - home to the world's oldest human bodies
  8. Jervis Bay - home to some of the world's whitest beaches
  9. Kosciuszko National Park - the tallest mountain on the Australian mainland

What I believe not to include:

  1. Wollemi National Park - the location of the Wollemi pines are not revealed to the public to preserve it's nature
  2. Warrumbungles - not a popular spot for interstate or foreigners, and it's been a no go zone recently (voluntarily, not closed) due to the mice plague
  3. Oxley Wild Rivers National Park - not unique to NSW. Plus "has several locations where 4WDs are permitted." most NSW national parks allow 4WDs, and I think Dorrigo National Park is a more better and friendlier spot to visit.

Please feel free to give your thoughts out, as this is quite a major change in what's here. I'm hoping that my new list provides a good variety of places, and not so coastal centred. Thanks, SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 04:46, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

I agree that the current list could use an overhaul. I just find it hard to think of a 'Top 10' for NSW.
I would disagree on the stated rationale for removing Wollemi National Park and Oxley Wild Rivers National Park. You don't (and can't) visit the Wollemi National Park for the pines but rather natural beauty, and with regards to Oxley, plenty of great destinations in Australia are frankly inaccessible to your average tourist, but then again we are not serving a specific type of visitor. Additionally the mouse plague in Warrumbungles is temporary and shouldn't be the rationale for its exclusion, especially given the whole country is mostly off limits for international visitors right now.
I hope you see that as constructive criticism! I appreciate your efforts on this. Andrewssi2 (talk) 09:08, 12 June 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for the response. I really wanted to replace it so we had the following
  • 1 Metro National Park
  • 1 Gondwana Rainforest
  • 1 Sacred Aboriginal site
  • 1 Outback site
  • 1 area with White sand beaches
  • 1 snowy mountains area
  • 1 Island off the mainland
  • 1 area showing some of the finest karst landscapes
  • 1 other one, and in this one, I thought to use Mt. Warning
Another reason why I didn't want Wollemi and Oxley Rivers is that both these places are very similar, I've been to both of them, and I think Dorrigo is a better subst. than Oxley Rivers/Wollemi, don't get me wrong though, both these places are an absolute beauty (infact, it was a difficult choice for me to not include Wollemi). And yes, I do see this as constructive criticism. Cheers, SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 09:47, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

Since we have no other opinions, I'm just changing it, until we have someone to oppose the change. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 06:08, 1 July 2021 (UTC)


  • 1 Blue Mountains National Park - world heritage listed national park, and significant mountain to indigenous Australians
  • 2 Dorrigo National Park - one of the largest Gondwana rainforests left standing today
  • 3 Jenolan Caves - some of the world's most finest karst landscapes
  • 4 Jervis Bay - home to some of the world's whitest beaches
  • 5 Kosciuszko National Park - the tallest mountain on the Australian mainland
  • 6 Lord Howe Island - the existing one is good enough
  • 7 Mount Warning National Park - the world's largest extinct volcano
  • 8 Mungo National Park - home to the world's oldest human bodies
  • 9 Sydney Harbour National Park - a harbour side national park, home to a lot of WWII era military fortifications, and is one of the last homes of the endangered bandicoots

Opinion requested in Talk:New South WalesEdit

Swept in from the pub

Hi there, I'd just like to hear your opinion on Talk:New South Wales about the "other destinations" section. Thanks! SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 05:05, 12 June 2021 (UTC)

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