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move listingsEdit

Feel free to move the Places to eat to their respective city pages. Was a new user's experiment - (WT-en) Huttite 04:17, 30 Mar 2004 (EST)

  • Reverted page as content now on the respective city pages. -- (WT-en) Huttite 04:39, 30 Mar 2004 (EST)

"Local travel guides"Edit

I took out the "Local travel guides" section of this region page. I'm not sure I understood what it was supposed to signify. All the cities and sub-regions listed in a region guide are also travel guides. Is there something I'm missing here? --(WT-en) Evan 17:24, 28 Sep 2004 (EDT)

Hamilton!Edit

Actually, the exclamation point is part of the name. See [1], for example. That article notes, "These days, however, Hamilton! is not widely used." So Wikivoyage policies would indicate removing it. -- (WT-en) Jonboy 16:30, 17 May 2006 (EDT)

How did you find that? I guess we learn something new every day (Even something about our hometown areas). - (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 16:37, 17 May 2006 (EDT)

RegionsEdit

There are currently five regions defined for Ohio:

I'd like to propose renaming these regions to remove the "(Ohio)" so that we would simply have "Southwest Ohio". User:(WT-en) TVerBeek has already done something similar for Alaska, and eventually it might be nice to see it made part of the Project:Article naming conventions since no one says "I'm going to visit Southeast".

In addition, while counties are not always a good way to define a region, when I lived in Ohio counties were commonly used and seem like they might make a good way to keep regional borders straight. How about the following (see [2] for a map):

  • Mid-Ohio
    • Auglaize County (Wapakoneta)
    • Belmont County (St. Clairsville)
    • Carroll County (Carrollton)
    • Champaign County (Urbana)
    • Clark County (Springfield)
    • Coshocton County (Coshocton)
    • Darke County (Greenville)
    • Delaware County (Delaware)
    • Franklin County (Columbus, state capital)
    • Guernsey County (Cambridge)
    • Harrison County (Cadiz)
    • Holmes County (Millersburg)
    • Jefferson County (Steubenville)
    • Knox County (Mount Vernon)
    • Licking County (Newark)
    • Logan County (Bellefontaine)
    • Madison County (London)
    • Marion County (Marion)
    • Miami County (Troy)
    • Mercer County (Celina)
    • Morrow County (Mount Gilead)
    • Muskingum County (Zanesville)
    • Shelby County (Sidney)
    • Tuscarawas County (New Philadelphia)
    • Union County (Marysville)
  • Northeast Ohio
    • Ashtabula County (Jefferson)
    • Columbiana County (Lisbon)
    • Cuyahoga County (Cleveland)
    • Geauga County (Chardon)
    • Lake County (Painesville)
    • Lorain County (Elyria)
    • Mahoning County (Youngstown)
    • Medina County (Medina)
    • Portage County (Ravenna)
    • Stark County (Canton)
    • Summit County (Akron)
    • Trumbull County (Warren)
    • Wayne County (Wooster)
  • Northwest Ohio
    • Allen County (Lima)
    • Ashland County (Ashland)
    • Crawford County (Bucyrus)
    • Defiance County (Defiance)
    • Erie County (Sandusky)
    • Fulton County (Wauseon)
    • Hancock County (Findlay)
    • Hardin County (Kenton)
    • Henry County (Napoleon)
    • Huron County (Norwalk)
    • Lucas County (Toledo)
    • Ottawa County (Port Clinton)
    • Paulding County (Paulding)
    • Putnam County (Ottawa)
    • Richland County (Mansfield)
    • Sandusky County (Fremont)
    • Seneca County (Tiffin)
    • Van Wert County (Van Wert)
    • Williams County (Bryan)
    • Wood County (Bowling Green)
    • Wyandot County (Upper Sandusky)
  • Southeast Ohio
    • Athens County (Athens)
    • Gallia County (Gallipolis)
    • Fairfield County (Lancaster)
    • Hocking County (Logan)
    • Jackson County (Jackson)
    • Lawrence County (Ironton)
    • Meigs County (Pomeroy)
    • Monroe County (Woodsfield)
    • Morgan County (McConnelsville)
    • Noble County (Caldwell)
    • Perry County (New Lexington)
    • Vinton County (McArthur)
    • Washington County (Marietta)
  • Southwest Ohio
    • Adams County (West Union)
    • Brown County (Georgetown)
    • Butler County (Hamilton)
    • Clermont County (Batavia)
    • Clinton County (Wilmington)
    • Fayette County (Washington Court House)
    • Greene County (Xenia)
    • Hamilton County (Cincinnati)
    • Highland County (Hillsboro)
    • Montgomery County (Dayton)
    • Pickaway County (Circleville)
    • Pike County (Waverly)
    • Preble County (Eaton)
    • Ross County (Chillicothe)
    • Scioto County (Portsmouth)
    • Warren County (Lebanon)

I'm most familiar with the counties along Lake Erie, so I may have goofed up a bit, but does this seem like a reasonable proposal? It basically divides the state with a band across the middle for Mid-Ohio and the four corners of the state are given their own regions. Also note that I'm not proposing we necessarily create an article for each county, but using the above for our definitions of each region makes it really easy to figure out what city goes where. Thoughts? -- (WT-en) Ryan 14:16, 1 August 2006 (EDT)

I like the idea and I've already started some counties for Southwest Ohio. Since Ohio's regions are fairly large I do agree that using counties are a good idea to help a traveller locate his/her destination. The county articles also help with covering small attractions for cities that do not warrant an article. Renaming these articles will require a lot of work with fixing the isIn tags. I'm not too worried about links in articles, because a redirect can help with that. -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 14:28, 1 August 2006 (EDT)
Aye, it's the IsIn's that make this sort of thing difficult. That's why I did it for Alaska: not much IsIn the 49th state. :) - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 18:30, 1 August 2006 (EDT)
I'll wait a bit to see if anyone disagrees, but otherwise we might as well copy the county lists into each region article, similar to what (WT-en) Colin has done with the California regions (it worked nicely there, although California counties are much larger than Ohio's). To alleviate Todd's concerns about counties we can create the county name as a non-link for now, and only use Wiki links for pre-existing county articles. As to the isIn issues, I can do my best to update them (probably late tonight) - I'm with Todd in that I think "South (Foo)" or "Northeast (Goo)" really don't follow the "use the common name" rule, since who really ever says "I live in Northwest"? -- (WT-en) Ryan 15:10, 1 August 2006 (EDT)
I was going to ask would you want to split the work? You could take the northern half since you have more knowledge about that area than I do and I could take the southern regions? -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 15:14, 1 August 2006 (EDT)
Sounds good! I'll wait a bit longer before making any changes just to give anyone who's interested a chance to chime in, but will probably start out updating things later tonight. -- (WT-en) Ryan 15:52, 1 August 2006 (EDT)
Ok, just leave a note on my talk page whenever you're ready. -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 18:07, 1 August 2006 (EDT)
If counties are in fact the best way to break down a region into subregions, then by all means use them. They certainly work in some places (e.g. the UK), and if Ohio has a strong enough sense of "county identity" that travelers will find them useful, there's no problem. My main concern is that people are sometimes using them as if they were an automatic part of our hierarchy (e.g. including them pre-emptively on disambig pages) rather than using them when-and-only-when they are the best way to divide a specific state or region. And keep in mind that even if counties are used to divide most parts of Ohio, they don't have to be used everywhere in the state; if (for example) Greater Columbus happens to make a few local counties superfluous, don't use them. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 18:26, 1 August 2006 (EDT)
Thanks Todd - based on my experiences in Ohio it seems like a region such as Ashtabula County is often going to be the best region we can get - it's non-ambiguous, and what else are you going to call that corner of the state? In other cases you're right about counties not being the best - Greater Cleveland seems like a more useful region to me than Cuyahoga County, although the latter might be a useful sub-region for the sake of organization. I'll start on this cleanup when I get a chance later tonight. -- (WT-en) Ryan 18:51, 1 August 2006 (EDT)

On further comptemplation...Edit

Copied from User talk:(WT-en) Wrh2

Is Mid-Ohio even a region? I've heard of the other four, but I'm not sure I've ever heard of Mid-Ohio is there possibly another name for this region? -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 20:03, 1 August 2006 (EDT)

Personally I would have gone with "Central Ohio" (which is also what dmoz.org uses) but I didn't make it down to Columbus that much so I'm probably not the best judge. -- (WT-en) Ryan 20:07, 1 August 2006 (EDT)
Another project, possibly? -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 20:10, 1 August 2006 (EDT)
I'm not as opposed to "Mid-Ohio" as I am to the "North (Foo)"-type names, but if you think it should be changed I'd be glad to help out. -- (WT-en) Ryan 20:17, 1 August 2006 (EDT)
Nah, I'll just make a notation that it could also be called Central Ohio. -- (WT-en) Andrew Haggard (Sapphire) 20:24, 1 August 2006 (EDT)
For what it's worth, one of the big regional comicbook conventions is called Mid-Ohio Con, so it seems a natural term to me, and probably has local usage. A fair number of Google hits for "mid-ohio" as well. - (WT-en) Todd VerBeek 21:22, 1 August 2006 (EDT)

I know this is a bit late, but I'd say "Central Ohio" is more prevalent. As a Cincinnatian, I've heard "Central" more than "Mid", but if you pay attention to what you're searching for on Google, "Central" is a lot more common. Compare "mid ohio" -comic -"mid ohio valley" (about 1,090,000) to "central ohio" -"central ohio valley" (about 16,400,000). The comic book convention doesn't really give an indicator of how common the term is for locals, and there were a lot of hits for "Mid-Ohio Valley", which is in West Virginia. – Minh Nguyễn 22:57, 18 October 2006 (EDT)

Upon looking at Image:Mid-Ohio counties map.PNG, I see where the confusion might lie. "Central Ohio" and probably "Mid-Ohio" are supposed to refer to the central part of the state, not the middle latitudes. So Darke County is really considered Eastern Ohio (or the Miami Valley), and Jefferson County is probably considered Western Ohio. I've never heard of anyone defining Mid- or Central Ohio the way we do here... – Minh Nguyễn 23:01, 18 October 2006 (EDT)
Here again, as a new contributor, I am reading old news, but I thought I might add:Mid-Ohio has no real definition, kinda like "predatory lending", everyone has an opinion but there is no "legally accepted" definition. So, carry on, you did a fine job of breaking up the state as you did. (WT-en) 2old 13:28, 3 July 2007 (EDT)

Lead PhotoEdit

I am starting to get a bit parinoid about making changes rather than creating new. Actually, I am a bit skittish about both. The reason I changed the photo, although a great shot and very colorful, is that, it is of the back of the Ohio Supreme Court along the Columbus Riverfront. If you wish to revert it, no problem. If this one remains, I will try to replace it with a more colorful version in the fall. (WT-en) 2old 14:51, 21 June 2007 (EDT)

MuseumsEdit

We need to remove a lot of the listings of museums and such because this page is supposed to be a teaser page and shouldn't be biased toward Cincinnati, but rather include a wide variety of places for travelers to read about and consider visiting. Secondly, the geographic breakup has to go because it's MoS does not like breaking things up under geographic sections. -- (WT-en) Sapphire(Talk) • 14:36, 30 June 2007 (EDT)

On this topic, the see, do, etc. sections of this article have way too much content in the form of bulleted lists. They are visually overwhelming and, I think, not really what we try to do with higher level regions. Ideally, I think these article sections should be mostly paragraph(s) describing the types of attractions/activities/etc on offer throughout the state and where are the best places to go to see/do them. Some individual listings are fine, but should not be over-described, only linked in-text to the page where the listing properly resides. --(WT-en) Peter Talk 17:19, 30 June 2007 (EDT)
As a new contibutor, I am sure this article will soon be rewritten, and I am sure it no longer conforms to MOS. As a Ohio resident for 58 years and as one who wanders like a loose coon dog on weekends, I make the following suggestions. 1. Drop However, when travling into inner cities take caution. Voilent crime within Ohio cities have been rising, so make sure to travel in groups at all times and advoid traveling by foot alone at night. I think advoid traveling by foot alone at night could be added to most all cities, if it is to remain here. 2. And, I know this is touchy. Ohio and America were founded by individuals seeking religious freedom. As I peck away at this and make my meager contributions, I have made myself aware of the diversity of religions in Ohio, which I never really thought about before. A short paragraph on this should be included in both the USA and Ohio articles. I do not think I am the person to write it, as I get to wordy as it is, in this example. (WT-en) 2old 13:17, 3 July 2007 (EDT)

Lead PhotoEdit

Was changed to reflect the view from Adena State Memorial of Mount Logan in Ross County as illustrated on the "Great Seal of Ohio". (WT-en) 2old 11:22, 2 July 2007 (EDT)

Lodges - need homes!Edit

The following list of lodges need to be placed in the city or region article in which they are located... if you are familiar with Ohio, please do so, or make a note here as to where they belong and someone else will. Thanks! – (WT-en) cacahuate talk 03:31, 15 July 2007 (EDT)

    • The following resort/lodges have been moved the the appropriate locations (WT-en) 2old 11:51, 18 July 2007 (EDT)
  • Atwood Lake Resort, Golf Course & Conference Center [3] ,2650 Lodge Road, Sherrodsville. 18-hole regulation resort golf course, some of the most scenic holes in Ohio, a lighted, nine-hole, par-3 course. Five lighted tennis courts are available, resort lake activities including boating and fishing. 104 spacious guest rooms 17 cottages and two lake houses some with lakeview. For more privacy or a great adventure, four-bedroom lakeside cottages are the ultimate Ohio getaway. Carrol County Mid-Ohio <moved to
  • Burr Oak Resort & Conference Center [4], 5250 Beach Road, Glouster

. A 60-room lodge with 30 cottages in the adjacent hillsides. The cottages are within one mile of the lodge and the offer air-conditioning, screened-in porches, furnished kitchens, televisions and four to six beds. Morgan County Southeast Ohio <moved to

  • Deer Creek Resort and Conference Center [5], 20635 Waterloo Road, Mt. Sterling (West of Zanesville). 3,100 acre retreat with lodge, rooms, cottages or historic Harding Cabin. Dining in a lakeview restaurant, marina, lake and golf course. Muskingum County west of Zanesville Mid-Ohio <moved to
  • Hueston Woods Resort & Conference Center,, [6], 6301 Park Office Road, College Corner. Located in 200 acre forest with views of the lake. It is a spacious, comfortable retreat with modern amenities five miles from the Miami University of Ohio. Offering picnicking, boating and fishing on Acton Lake, golf on an 18-hole championship course and cross-country skiing. Butler County NW of Cinicinnati < moved to
  • Mohican Resort & Conference Center, [7]. Surrounded by 6,000 acres of Mohican State Forest and borders Pleasant Hill Lake. Hiking, swimming and boating are nearby. 96 recently renovated guestrooms offering a private balcony. The dining room is also open Sundays with a great buffet for $12.95. A Ohio Department of Natural Resources facility. Ashland County Mid-Ohio < moved to
  • Salt Fork Resort & Conference Center [8] 14755 Cadiz Road, Lore City. Located in the rolling hills of south eastern Ohio, at Ohio's' largest state park. The wooded surroundings contain miles of hiking and horseback riding trails, deer, turkey, flowers, song and water birds all with a view of Ohio's largest state park lake. Guernsey County Mid-Ohio < moved to
  • Shawnee Resort & Conference Center, [9] 4404 State Route 125, Portsmouth. Located in the 63,000-acre Shawnee forest, the Shawnee Resort & Conference Center offers a many vacation attractions and amenities, golfing along Ohio River, indoor or outdoor pool. 65 miles of adjacent hiking trails, ideal for avid hikers or photographers. A cedar and flagstone lodge with 50 rooms, 25 2 bedroom cottages, and the O-Hee-Yuh Restaurant. Portsmouth Southeast Ohio <moved to
  • Maumee Bay Resort & Conference Center, [10] 1400 State Park Road, Ohio. An 1,850-acre State Park, Maumee Bay, a fine recreational facility with a unique natural environment as seen by the convergence of the land and Lake Erie. The lodge, cottages and golf course are at Ohio's premier resort and the newest state park. The Lodge is located along the shore of Lake Erie with a two-story stone fireplace that welcomes guests. The 120 guestrooms with private balcony/patio gives spectacular views of the surrounding park. There are 24 cottages with fireplaces adjacent to wetlands and the lush greens of the golf course. Toledo Lucas County Northwest Ohio < moved to
  • Hueston Woods Resort & Conference Center, double entry-deleted

Counties - still a good idea?Edit

City articles County articles
existing/total
Existing city articles
per county
Mid-Ohio 38 15 / 26 1.46
Northwest Ohio 37 11 / 21 1.76
Northeast Ohio 94 13 / 13 7.23
Southeast Ohio 10 6 / 12 0.83
Southwest Ohio 35 9 / 16 2.18

I think our Ohio coverage is very watered down by all these largely empty county articles. Do we really need 88 county articles to cover Ohio properly? As you can see from the chart, in all but one region, doing it this way has left us with a county article for every one or two city articles — we would have to have four to five times as many city articles to really make it worth subdividing everything at such a fine grain. Only Northeast Ohio with its proliferation of cities around the Greater Cleveland area really benefits from being divided this way. I believe that we should rethink the subdivision of the other areas and find a way to group the counties into clusters instead of having a separate article for each one. For example, Mid-Ohio could be split into about 3-4 subregions, maybe 4-6 for Northwest Ohio. Southeast Ohio may not even need subdivision at all right now. I don't have any personal knowledge of Ohio, but maybe we can hammer something out that does not involve dozens of useless county articles. Ryan, I notice you participated in the first regions discussion above — what are your thoughts? And what does everyone else think? Texugo (talk) 16:13, 17 April 2014 (UTC)

Ohio really does have a strong sense of county identity, and they seem like as good a way as any of organizing largely rural areas. On the flip side, it's problematic to have so many skeletons, although that may speak to a larger problem with how we handle regions (*cough* Wikivoyage talk:Geographical hierarchy#Weak regions *cough*). If there is a specific set of sub-regions that could be proposed to replace the counties it's worth discussing, but if not they seem like logical units that help organize the state, even if many of them are mostly empty at the moment. -- Ryan • (talk) • 17:44, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Thanks, Ryan. I was hoping you or someone else who knows Ohio better could suggest some subregions. Anyway, what of the fact that when we subdivide, we aim to divide into 7+-2 subregions? It's highly unusual to divide into as many as 26 and not, I think, desirable. Texugo (talk) 17:52, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
Yeah it's not so much that they're skeletons as that the number of bottom-level city articles isn't sufficient to support an article for each county. The other issue is that having more than 9 or 10 subregions makes it very hard to communicate to the user. Take Northwest Ohio; how would a reader select from among those counties? Even if one-liner listings were added for each of them, how do you describe 21 counties so that each one is unique and explains what each one has to offer without completely overwhelm a reader trying to review them all and pick one? Powers (talk) 17:57, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
What if we make Greater Cleveland (Cuyahoga County, Geauga County, Lake County, Lorain County, Medina County) a top level region, and introduce two new regions: a w:Columbus, Ohio metropolitan area region (Delaware County, Fairfield County, Franklin County, Hocking County, Licking County, Madison County, Morrow County, Perry County, Pickaway Count, Union County) and a w:Cincinnati metropolitan area region (Brown County, Clermont County, Hamilton County, Warren County, Butler County, Clinton County). That would reduce the number of counties in the other regions, making them more manageable. -- Ryan • (talk) • 19:15, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
It sounds like a step in the right direction, though it still doesn't address the uselessness of having a county article for every one or two city articles in most of the state. Texugo (talk) 19:25, 17 April 2014 (UTC)
And it would leave Northwest Ohio with 21 counties. I think the biggest city in that region is Toledo. The idea has merit, though. Out of curiosity -- I'm not familiar with Columbus -- would the remainder of Mid-Ohio be a ring around the Columbus metro? Powers (talk) 00:20, 18 April 2014 (UTC)
Looking at File:Mid-Ohio counties map.PNG creating a new top-level region for the Columbus Metro would indeed split Mid-Ohio in two, leaving it non-contiguous. As I said before, the idea has merit, but it only goes about halfway to solving the problem. Would it satisfy Ryan's concerns about county-level identity if we introduced subregions that organized their information by county, even if we don't yet have individual county-level articles? Powers (talk) 15:25, 18 August 2014 (UTC)
Agree that sub-regions at county level is not particularly useful. One level below the State should be sufficient. How about new regions for around Cincinnati, Cleveland, Columbus and a West Erie shore region. The North-West, North-East, South-West and South-East loose the counties around the new regions but expand to take in what is currently in Mid-Ohio.--Traveler100 (talk) 09:56, 24 December 2014 (UTC)
Regions below state sub-region City articles Counties - keep Counties - merge towns into region Cities in more than one county
Mid-Ohio
Greater Columbus 14
Ohio Erie shore west (Toledo) 14
Northwest Ohio 9
West Central Ohio Lima-Van Wert-Clina area Ohio 3
West Central Ohio 6
West Central Ohio Mansfield-Ashland-Bucyrus area Ohio 9
Northeast Ohio - Greater Cleveland 37
Northeast Ohio Wooster area Ohio 17
Northeast Ohio Canton-Massillion Metropolitan Area 16
Northeast Ohio Akron Metropolitan Area 17
Northeast Ohio Youngstown-Warren Metropolitan Area 14
Southeast Ohio 16
Greater Cincinnati 34
Miami - Scioto basins
Southwest Ohio
13
After looking at the numbers, the North-East need a little more thought. --Traveler100 (talk) 11:31, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

──────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────── There are a number of Ohio towns that are not in county regions but in sub-regions of Ohio. I will move these into county regions just so we can get a correct picture of the situation. Once we have a better structure defined they can be moved again and the county pages redirected to the new regions. --Traveler100 (talk) 14:34, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

Proposal:

  • Region around Columbus (no county sub-regions)
  • Region covering Erie shore west (no county sub-regions)
  • Northwest Ohio with 3 sub-regions (no county sub-regions)
  • Greater Cleveland (with county sub-regions) - not sure about Ashtabula County
  • Northeast Ohio with 3 sub-regions (no county sub-regions)
  • Southeast Ohio (no county sub-regions)
  • Greater Cincinnati (with county sub-regions)
  • Southwest Ohio (no county sub-regions) - or what about Miami and Scioto valleys as region definition?

Looking forward to comments and suggestions for improvements -- (talk) 16:55, 24 December 2014 (UTC)

 
split based on urban areas and number of articles
I'm not entirely sure I understand the current proposal - the list above shows eight regions, but the map shows thirteen. I'm supportive of the list above, although we might want to use something like "Greater Columbus" instead of "Central Ohio" for clarity since the latter is often used to include a larger area than what is being proposed here. Similarly, "Erie shore west Ohio" seems a bit of a mouthful - what about re-arranging things a bit so that we have a "Northwest Ohio" region and a "West Central Ohio" region, similar to [11]? -- Ryan • (talk) • 17:09, 27 December 2014 (UTC)
Updated the table, hopefully a little clearer. --Traveler100 (talk) 12:41, 4 January 2015 (UTC)
I support moving ahead with Traveler100's proposal above, including Ryan's suggestions. Were there any objections? It's been a year since I started this thread; I think it's time for action. Texugo (talk) 14:46, 13 April 2015 (UTC)

First stepEdit

As first step what about moving Greater Cleveland out to below state and creating also Greater Cincinnati and Central Ohio at the same level. Question: is there a better name for Southwest Ohio if it does not include the counties around Cincinnati?

It's late 2016Edit

...and Ohio still has a ton of basically empty county articles. Based on the discussion above I believe many active Wikivoyagers are familiar with Ohio to some extent. ϒpsilon (talk) 12:40, 19 October 2016 (UTC)

Since it appears that this reorganization is moving ahead, a few comments:
  1. I realize I was the one who originally suggested making Greater Cleveland a top level region, but in retrospect it seems odd to exclude Greater Cleveland from Northeast Ohio. Yes, there is enough content to warrant splitting Greater Cleveland into its own top-level region, but anyone from Cleveland considers himself to be from Northeast Ohio, so I'd suggest it would be better to keep Greater Cleveland as a sub-region of Northeast Ohio.
  2. Within Greater Cleveland, Cuyahoga County and Lorain County are populous enough to leave as standalone sub-regions. The other counties in the region are less populous, but don't lend themselves well to any particular grouping, so i suppose we would leave those county articles as they are until a better solution comes along?
  3. The names of the other Northeast Ohio sub-regions need tweaking - "Canton-Massillion area Ohio" sounds very alien. What about the more familiar "metropolitan area"?
    1. Canton-Massillion Metropolitan Area
    2. Youngstown-Warren Metropolitan Area
    3. Akron Metropolitan Area
  4. "Greater Cincinnati" is very large and would require sub-regions, but I don't know that area well-enough to make suggestions.
-- Ryan • (talk) • 05:15, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
Have done the rename. If you look at the table above counties under Cleveland and Grater Cincinnati are in the keep column. --Traveler100 (talk) 17:18, 28 October 2016 (UTC)
 
Ohio regions - Color-coded map
  Northwest Ohio
flat agricultural land surrounding Toledo and stretching into Indiana to the west and Michigan to the north.
  Ohio Erie shore west
  Northeast Ohio (NEO) (including "Greater Cleveland", Wooster area Ohio, Canton-Massillion Metropolitan Area, Akron Metropolitan Area, Youngstown-Warren Metropolitan Area)
rolling wooded foothills from the Allegheny Mountain range subside as they approach Lake Erie (definition of NEO includes 13 counties and 4.5 million people).
  West Central Ohio
flat agricultural land
  Greater Columbus
  Miami - Scioto basins
  Greater Cincinnati
  Southeast Ohio
very hilly, coal-mining country in the foothills of the Appalachian Mountains, rolling into Pennsylvania and West Virginia and including the Wayne National Forest.

Someone familiar with Ohio?Edit

Swept in from the pub

A similar thing to the thread right above. Ohio is probably the record holder for number of nearly-empty subarticles in the form of counties. In Talk:Ohio#Counties_-_still_a_good_idea.3F a new division of the state was thought out and at least partially agreed upon a year and a half ago but that was pretty much it. Someone (or preferably more than one :)) here who's familiar with that part of the US and would like to continue the merging project? ϒpsilon (talk) 10:14, 20 October 2016 (UTC)

Anyone? ϒpsilon (talk) 17:27, 22 October 2016 (UTC)
Have been working in other areas of Wikivoyage but can get back to this topic if people are fine with the proposed restructure. I am familiar with the towns along the I75 but have no personal experience of other areas of the state. --Traveler100 (talk) 09:46, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
Pinging Ryan and LtPowers who participated in the earlier discussion. Andre and Justin also hail from nearby. Anyone else? ϒpsilon (talk) 09:59, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
@Ypsilon: Just so you don't think I'm ignoring you: I'm too ignorant of Ohio to help. I haven't spent much time there. —Justin (koavf)TCM 13:54, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
No problems. :) ϒpsilon (talk) 14:33, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

I have created some new sub-regions but not yet started expanding them. Have also added merge tags to county pages so people can see and comment on changes. Also started Wikivoyage:Ohio Expedition, which does show the number of regions is excessive for the number of city articles in the state. Hopefully provide place to discuss issues on individual articles as well a showing the to-do list. --Traveler100 (talk) 11:01, 23 October 2016 (UTC)

Ypsi - about the most I can say is that individual counties definitely aren't the way to go. But I'm not familiar enough with Ohio to be any more specific than that. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 17:17, 23 October 2016 (UTC)
I'm monitoring the discussion on Talk:Ohio but I don't have any further input beyond what I've already contributed there. Powers (talk) 17:36, 24 October 2016 (UTC)
Even if people are not familiar with the area it would be good to get some assistance moving listing currently at county level down into the relevant city articles. --Traveler100 (talk) 16:20, 25 October 2016 (UTC)

Well it took more work that I first thought but I think things are better with less regions. Could do with some tidying up of the sub-region still. --Traveler100 (talk) 19:51, 29 October 2016 (UTC)

I live in Ohio and travel regularly throughout most of the state. I have several opinions to offer here:

  • Ohio has 88 counties. Yes, that's right...everyone is close enough to their county seat to ride there and back by horse and take care of business within a day or two...but it's also why there are so many empty articles. I would create a hierarchy that mostly ignores counties, because regions and subregions are where it's at. Here are my thoughts:
    • Regions:
      • Northwest Ohio
        • Greater Toledo
        • Sandusky Bay/Lake Erie Islands
        • etc.
      • Northeast Ohio
        • Greater Cleveland
        • Akron/Canton Area, basically Summit, Portage, and Stark Counties, maybe throw in most of Wayne County...there's a serious blur into Greater Cleveland here in northern Summit and even a teensy bit into Portage and definitely into Medina Counties.
        • Amish Country East, as in Geauga/Ashtabula Counties, east of Cleveland, and I can try to find a better name, because that's not what I think they quite call it.
        • Amish Country South, which centers mostly around Millersburg, including all of Holmes County, the better part of Tuscarawas County, and spills into surrounding counties a bit.
        • Youngstown/Warren Area, which is pretty much Trumbull, Mahoning, and most of Columbiana Counties.
        • Mid-Ohio, which is Mansfield and Ashland Counties
      • Central Ohio is almost subsumed entirely by Columbus, and the Census Bureau has so vastly expanded the CSA now that it's obvious there isn't much difference as far as they're concerned. Columbus proper has already spilled beyond the boundaries of Franklin County, although there are still several discrete suburbs in Franklin County. I'd almost make the argument that the county article for Franklin County is totally superfluous, and that the city article for Columbus treat most suburban areas like neighborhoods. I'm not entirely certain whether Zanesville/Muskingum County goes more appropriate into Central Ohio or into Southeast Ohio...it fits well with both.
        • Columbus (city)
          • Downtown Columbus
          • Dublin/Worthington
          • Easton/Gahanna
          • etc.
        • Chillicothe/Circleville area
        • Delaware area
        • etc.
      • Southwest Ohio
        • Dayton Area
        • Greater Cincinnati, which is a bit of misnomer, since that actually spills into parts of Kentucky and Indiana. The good thing is that the part that's in Kentucky identifies itself as "Northern Kentucky".
        • etc.
      • Southeast Ohio...this would be a pretty wide swatch of state from East Liverpool on the PA border all the way down to Portsmouth, which is really more South-Central, but is more married to the river and what's on the Kentucky side rather than connected in any way to Cincinnati to the west.
        • Hocking Hills, which sort of starts with Lancaster and goes down to about Athens and spills out to touch the eastern edge of the Chillicothe/Circleville area along the Scioto River.
        • Zanesville area (probably)
        • Central Ohio River Country (lousy name) with Portsmouth and Ironton
        • Marietta area
        • Steubenville area
        • Coal Country, which would be the regions near the Ohio River between Wheeling and Marietta.

I'm most familiar with the Northeastern portion, but hopefully before we get too many crazy lousy names in other parts of the state, we'll get some people who want to help clean things up in the rest of the state. There are definitely areas of the state with lots of tourism, while other parts are pretty sparse with no big draws. All the major metros have a lot to write about (Cleveland, Akron/Canton, Columbus, Cincy, Dayton, Toledo, and Youngstown/Warren) and the other big draws would be the Lake Erie Islands/Sandusky Bay area, Hocking Hills, two Amish Countries, and Lake/Ashtabula County Wine Country. You could have a region for Ohio River Country stretching from East Liverpool to Greater Cincy I suppose...but there's not much that's a big draw unto itself except for the Hocking Hills Region. Everything else is mostly leftover stuff that isn't really well publicized or marketed (that I'm aware of).Leehawkins (talk) 23:47, 15 June 2017 (UTC)

With 21 article Southeast Ohio‎ is getting to the limit of a sub-region, however unless the number of locations increase substantially I would not split it into too many sub-regions. BTW if not already spotted, take a look at the breakdown of sub-regions at Wikivoyage:Ohio Expedition --Traveler100 (talk) 07:01, 16 June 2017 (UTC)
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