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This is where we determine whether an article is ready to be classified as Star status. Even though the criteria are fairly objective, it's good to get some additional eyes to look over a page and confirm that it's ready before elevating it to Star. For reference, here's the general description, from Project:Article status:

The article is essentially complete. It meets all of the above criteria. It follows the manual of style exactly or is the exception that proves the rule. Prose is not only near-perfect grammatically but also tight, effective, and enjoyable. It has appropriate illustrations, such as photos and a map. Enough breadth and depth of material is presented that anyone familiar with the subject of the article would have little to point out as absent. Future changes to this kind of article would reflect changes in the subject (e.g. a museum closes, a hotel price changes, a new airport is built) more than they'd require improvements in the coverage.

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Star articles: Last minute checklist

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You can nominate any "guide" quality article you think is ready to be declared a "star". Please do not nominate an article if you know that it falls short of the criterion above — refer to the info box for a last minute checklist. If there are other nominations on this page, add yours to the bottom of the list. The basic format of a nomination is as follows:

===[[Article name]]===
This has everything we're looking for,
plus a swell kitchen sink. ~~~~

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{{starnomination}} 

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Please comment on whether you agree that the nominated article is ready, with a bullet point (*) and your signed opinion. If you think it's ready, a simple "Support" will do. If not, explain what you think is missing or not up to standards. You don't have to leave a detailed critique to vote on the star — partial critiques are welcome, and feel free to just voice your support for the hard work someone else has done.

===[[Article name]]===
This has everything we're looking for, plus a swell kitchen sink.  TravelNut 25:25, 31 Feb 2525 (UTC)
* The sink isn't properly formatted, and there are no "budget" places to sleep. ~~~~

After three weeks of discussion, if a consensus is reached, then that article becomes a star, and the discussion should be archived. A consensus means that all outstanding objections should have been addressed and dropped; if issues remain then the discussion should be left open for two months to allow time to fix the article and reach a consensus. If the outstanding issues cannot or will not be addressed in reasonable time, the article should be added to the slush pile. Regardless of the outcome, it is useful to copy the nomination discussion to the article's talk page.

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Norfolk IslandEdit

This is an excellent article (OTBP in 2020) thanks to the work of a number of contributors. This is an opportunity for our first star-rated rural area article. I can't see that anything is missing, and it appears to have what is expected of a star article, though I may have missed something. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 15:00, 15 June 2021 (UTC)

  • Support - It looks nice to me, and if I ever go there, I don't think I'll be needing anything else apart from someone local to help me. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 07:50, 16 June 2021 (UTC)
@SelfieCity: it's been 21 days now, and would that mean it's ready to be promoted to a star? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 03:57, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
You can't call 2 opinions a consensus. I'll try to look at this soon. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:00, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
Very true. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 04:01, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Nearly - It looks good but there are a few points that should be looked at. (It is usual for article to take 21+ weeks to get promoted on this page, and I would expect more opinions.) AlasdairW (talk) 22:09, 4 July 2021 (UTC)
    • The article should have a Covid box - at the moment visitors need to have a Travel Pass applied for 24-72 hours in advance.   Done (last verified 2021-08-20)
    • By plane need updating - Air New Zealand aren't flying until 30 August, with Quantas flying until then. Air Chatham have changed the days of flights.   Done (last verified 2021-08-20)
    • Visas and Immigration Control has "There are quarantine restrictions on the movement of many items of food, including meat and fresh fruit, between the island and the mainland. The restrictions are not the same in both directions." This needs expanding, or a link to an official site that says exactly what you can bring from Australia and (if different) from New Zealand.   Done (last verified 2021-09-14)
    • Understand should have something on the island's economy - how important is tourism to the island.
    • By Taxi has phone numbers that need formatting, and Uber may now be on the island.   Done (last verified 2021-08-20)
    • There is nothing about the time zone.   Done (last verified 2021-08-20)
    • The governance changes in 2016 could be expanded upon, as the WP article suggests that this doesn't have local support.   Done (last verified 2021-08-20)
    • See and Do should be cross-checked with tourist info.
Uber isn't on Norfolk just yet per https://www.uber.com/global/en/cities/. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:18, 16 July 2021 (UTC)
  • Oppose in current state - The article is a very good guide article, but I don't think the article is comprehensive enough to be considered a star. I worked on the article in 2019 to get it ready for a front page feature. But that's 18 months ago, and I believe the list of what's open or what's now closed would need to be checked for each listing. I think the status descriptions have changed since 2019, as I thought there was comprehensive criteria for it to be a star. In any case AlasdairW comments above will help. I might find time to call the information centre this week to confirm what they mean about "a local Uber is available on request." Joshlama1 (talk) 09:53, 14 August 2021 (UTC)
Thanks for looking into this. I wonder if "Uber" is being used as term for bookable taxi, like "Hoover" for vacuum cleaner. AlasdairW (talk) 22:07, 16 August 2021 (UTC)
Called them today, they have one "taxi service" and got their details and website. Uber is used in this case as a "bookable taxi." I'm not sure if it should be changed to "By Taxi" or "by rideshare".
I also asked them about "Democracy and independence movements" on the island in which she mentioned that it's something that tourists do ask about and are interested in. There are some locations now on the island which incorporate those protests. Should they be added? Joshlama1 (talk) 04:20, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
I don't understand why it has a currency box though. It's still administered under NSW, and while it's mostly self governing, that can be found at Australia#Buy. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:43, 14 August 2021 (UTC
Should we remove it and direct users to the Australia article for currency information? --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 13:57, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
I think it makes sense to keep some currency information in the article. Norfolk may be administered as part of NSW, but it's 1000 miles east of the Australian mainland and is reachable by air and ship without passing through Australia. Plus, the article says "Travel between mainland Australia and Norfolk Island is domestic travel, but flights leave from the international terminals in Sydney and Brisbane." meaning that even Australian citizens have to show their passport in order to visit. All this indicates to me that Norfolk is a different destination from the rest of NSW from a travel perspective.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 14:06, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
I think the currency box should be removed, but keep "Norfolk Island only uses the Australian dollar.". Norfolk Island is sufficently close to New Zealand that it wouldn't have been surprising if both AU$ and NZ$ were accepted. AlasdairW (talk) 20:24, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
NFI isn't one of those currencies accepting foreign currency. Other countries in Melanesia like PNG, the Solomon Islands or NC accept A$, but not NFI. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:38, 20 August 2021 (UTC)
Keeping the currency box costs nothing, does no harm, and may save someone a few extra taps or clicks getting to the Australia article.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 16:22, 21 August 2021 (UTC)

BrewarrinaEdit

In my opinion, this article is looking better than Menzies and Innamincka, with all three being limited in sees and dos. It's probably one of our best Aussie outback articles, and I ain't seeing anything missing, although I often miss things quite easily. Any feedback would be greatly appreciated! SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 06:51, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

My feedback would be to slow down on these nominations. Traditionally, we've only had maybe four or five in a whole year. It would be fine if they were all getting consistent levels of interest, but with Sydney Harbour and now Norfolk Island you've started to see "Star nomination fatigue" set in with fewer participants commenting less frequently. I think this drop-off in interest that you can see is inevitable with any process that is time- and energy-consuming; people need time to recharge, and space to pursue their other projects on Wikivoyage.
Personally, the last thing I want to do right now after the successful nomination for Stratford and the slushed one for Eastleigh (which in particular took a large amount of time and attention of many users, only for the main author to inexplicably walk away when the finish line was in sight), and before that Caldas da Rainha, is wade in to another two nominations. Others may feel differently, of course, but I don't want to participate on this page at all for at least the next three months.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 09:04, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
I'll preface this by saying that I have no idea about how things are in the Australian outback, nor do I have any experience with star nominations at WV. So please excuse me if my comments are off the mark. But since you asked for it, here's my somewhat naive feedback:
  • The very long introductory sentence could be split up into an introductory paragraph.
  • The history section briefly mentions the "long Indigenous Australian history" and then moves on to give a detailed account of what happened after the western settlers planted themselves in the area — that feels a bit unbalanced to me. Maybe it's not a good idea to claim that Brewarrina has an indigenous history when the town itself didn't exist before the westerners arrived? Maybe better write something about the area having a long indigenous history?
  • The history section feels overly detailed with lots of dates and numbers that do not seem to be relevant nor particularly interesting to the average traveller. An then the records abruptly stop in the late 1980s, as if nothing worth noting had happened since then.
  • Maybe add one or two more images that capture the general feeling of being in Brewarrina?
Hope that helps, --El Grafo (talk) 09:14, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
@El Grafo: Thanks for the feedback. For your second point, while we know that it's rich in culture and there was significant Aboriginal history, we don't know much about it, and having studied about Aboriginal history before, there's been a lot of things damaged by European settlement (such as getting arrested for speaking your own native language which is damaging the culture, or doing traditional meetups), so we don't know too much of what's happened in this area. Also, the town didn't exist before westerners arrived, but it was a meetup spot for the Kamilaroi people. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 13:03, 24 June 2021 (UTC)
On a quick read this looks like a good usable article, that is maybe approaching guide status. Few of the listings have much of a description, and the two photos don't give any feel for the place. What do you see at the fish traps - are they regularly used by locals?, can visitors use them to catch dinner? The comparison with Stonehenge for the museum is ridiculous. Come back in 2023 when others might be able to visit, and to give the article time to mature with other's edits. AlasdairW (talk) 23:41, 24 June 2021 (UTC)

Portuguese phrasebookEdit

I believe that the Portuguese phrasebook is poised to be our second Star phrasebook after the Russian phrasebook. Every word and phrase from the Wikivoyage:Quick phrasebook article template has been translated and is accompanied by pronunciation help using three methods: 1) standard/required Wikivoyage pseudo-phoneticization, 2) IPA, and 3) audio files (via Lingua Libre / Wikimedia Commons). If there are any deficiencies that I haven't already spotted and corrected, they will be quick fixes once identified. --Nelson Ricardo 2500 (talk) 01:46, 26 August 2021 (UTC)

  • Close while it LGTM, some of it is written from a speaker who'd use en-US rather than just English in general. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:52, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
    I can't help it. I was born this way. 😆 Do you have some specific examples that I should tackle? Cheers! (or did I just go too British there?) Nelson Ricardo 2500 (talk) 02:05, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
    Yeah, I've done something similar in Driving in New Caledonia where it's wholly written from an Australian perspective (with the drive on the right being over-exaggerated). But to the phrasebook, mainly spellings and the time and date section, but I'll fix that up. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 02:08, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
      Done. Agora Suporte. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 02:14, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
  • Is having a separate audio file for each word the standard approach? Having to play 6 separate clips to ask "Where is the toilet?" is not very useful if the reader just expects to click play on their phone when in need. I see that some later phrases are a single clip. AlasdairW (talk) 21:54, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
    That's a fair point. When I started adding audio, I used files available on Commons, which were all seperate words. After a while, I decided to fill the gap myself for the many missing words by recording the missing words and phrases myself (via Lingua Libre, which exports to Commons). I think I should go back and record the ones where there are separate word clips to "build" a phrase. Thanks for the push; this was nagging the back of my mind! Nelson Ricardo 2500 (talk) 22:19, 26 August 2021 (UTC)
      Done Any entries left with multiple audio files are alternative translations or gender differences. Nelson Ricardo 2500 (talk) 01:43, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
  • Not yet - Where's the grammar section? The Russian phrasebook has one, as do Brazilian Portuguese, Spanish, French (pretty good, if I say so myself)... For Portuguese, it doesn't need to be exhaustive, university-level stuff, but should probably cover noun gender, articles, basic verb conjugation (mainly present tense), "you", and anything else Nelson or other speakers think is fundamental to know. The Brazilian phrasebook also has an infobox about nasal sounds; should that be copied and adapted? I would also like to see the addition of at least 10-15 photos given the length of the article, although these can be added as and when quality appropriate images are found. Credit where it's due, the comprehensive use of audio files is an excellent feature, and I hope we can roll this out onto other phrasebooks soon.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 09:11, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
    I intentionally left out grammar based on the second paragraph of Phrasebooks and Wikivoyage:Quick phrasebook article template, but I'll work on covering the topics you mentioned. The Brazilian phrasebook was actually a fork from Portuguese (or vice versa) due to overwhelming differences in pronunciation and some grammar (much greater than UK English vs US English). I'll see if some elements can be added back. Russian has only two images: the language map (which Portuguese has) and an alphabet chart (unneeded since Portuguese uses the Latin alphabet). Based on this, I didn't add images, but I agree that the article looks uninteresting and sparse without them, so I'll add some. Nelson Ricardo 2500 (talk) 15:38, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
    @ThunderingTyphoons!, I've gone ahead and implemented your suggestions. I look forward to reading your feedback. Nelson Ricardo 2500 (talk) 20:03, 27 August 2021 (UTC)
Great work, as ever, and quick too. As someone with knowledge of other Romance languages, all the basic grammar makes sense to me, but as it's well explained it would also work for a general audience.
There are some minor changes I made myself. One thing I thought I'd run by you is whether you'd consider removing vos from the conjugation tables, particularly as its entries are crossed out anyway. Another, related, thing was whether it would make more sense to separate "he/she" from "you"; even though they're the same conjugation in Portuguese, "he/she/you sing(s)" strikes me as potentially confusing for English speakers without experience of learning other languages, but who still remember the person distinction from English class. "Você" and "vocês" would thus get their own lines in each table, and "vos" would come out altogether. You could still keep the sentence about "vos" if you think it's important, though I doubt the vast majority of travellers would encounter that word at all.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 15:22, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
Also, there'll probably be other aspects of the 'pronunciation' section that I'll end up questioning due to accent differences, but just for starters, and as a reminder for myself: "é : long sound as the 'e' in "bled" / ê : similar to the 'ea' in "bread"" makes little sense to me, as "bled" and "bread" rhyme in my accent. Do é and ê make the same sound, or different? It doesn't help that IPA is missing from the vowels and diphthongs/triphthongs sections, but present in the 'consonants' section (where arguably they're needed least).--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 17:39, 28 August 2021 (UTC)
Thank you for your great suggestions, which are not nitpicky at all, as you stated in one of your edit comments. I want to build WV's best phrasebook and really earn that star. I have implemented your recommendations. If you find anything else that could use improvement, no matter how seemingly minor, lay it on me. Nelson Ricardo 2500 (talk) 20:24, 29 August 2021 (UTC)

Olá, @Sanjorgepinho:. As far as I know, you are the only native speaker of European Portuguese who has contributed to Wikivoyage recently. If you have time and willingness, I would appreciate your feedback on Portuguese phrasebook. I nominated it for Star status, and I want to make sure it's as good as it can be. Obrigado! --Nelson Ricardo 2500 (talk) 08:51, 30 August 2021 (UTC)

Pinging @Ibaman:, although they speak Brazilian Portuguese, they might still know the differences between the two. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:09, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
  • Thanks for remembering me, gajos. Right now, I don't really have the time or ability to be of much help here... European Portuguese is still somewhat complicated to me. But I promise I'll check out this article and help improve it. Ibaman (talk) 14:28, 30 August 2021 (UTC)
    @Ibaman: Regarding this diff, rr and word-initial r are impossible to represent accurately using English spelling. Although = "hum" might be a close approximation for PT-BR, it is too far from PT-PT to be of use to the traveller. No flavor of r/rr in PT-PT sounds like EN "h". Maybe "rum" was a poor choice on my part. Perhaps "run" is marginally better, but combine with the ã, and there is no way no how we will ever be able be able to produce a close-enough rendering of the word using EN, which is why I added IPA and recorded sound clips throughout the Phrase list section. (I added your Nasal vowels infobox based on the recent suggestion from ThunderingTyphoons above.) Nelson Ricardo 2500 (talk) 01:00, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
    Also pinging @DARIO SEVERI: the only admin of pt.voy that I know of. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:16, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
Olá @Nelson Ricardo : I've already taken a look at the link and although I'm not the best person to rate it, it seems fine to me. The little time I have doesn't help either. Despite that, I spent my vacation taking pictures to help improve some destinations on Wikivoyage. Sanjorgepinho (talk) 21:29, 2 September 2021 (UTC) Sanjorgepinho (talk) 22:45, 2 September 2021 (UTC)
  • yeah, I was once an admin there, together with Dario, but now I concentrate here fully. I hope he joins this discussion.

More importantly, copying here what I wrote on Talk:Brazilian Portuguese phrasebook: "Just for the record, as I'm working to complete the phonetic bits of this article, I have made some decisions that I'd rather explain for clarity and comment. Whenever I must choose between "what's more sonically natural for the language" and "what would be easier for Anglophones to pronounce and be understood, even if retaining some of their natural accent", I will follow the latter. I'm trying as well to insert as much "tutorial" words, chosen for importance to the traveller's daily needs, sound and meaning, as possible. This is, by the way, the logic behind the (maybe mysterious) inclusion of that long list of names; IMHO every one of them is a good pronunciation tutorial for acquiring the language's sound and articulation." This approach complies with WV:Tone and WV:fun which are very important guidelines for my work on this travel guide, which I try to always follow.

As I can see, the PT-PT phrasebook is aiming at a different objective. Let's not exchange the usual bad jokes of cultural abyss between PT-BR and PT-PT. I would only suggest that I consider my approach better suited for the needs of a travel guide. Ibaman (talk) 12:24, 31 August 2021 (UTC)

  • Hi @SHB2000:, well ... I am sysop on Wikivoyage-pt but I am italian, I can speak Portuguese quite well but it is not my mother tongue. I prefer it to be done by someone who knows the language better. DARIO SEVERI (talk) 12:26, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
    Why is there no native pt-PT speakers here apart from Sangorgepinho who's been on a break? I guess most Portuguese Portuguese here speakers are from elsewhere? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:29, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
Stereotypically, the Brazilians are indeed known as more fun and outgoing, whereas the Portuguese are known as reserved yet friendly. Not surprising that the pt-br phrasebook has a different tone from pt-pt. I'll take a closer look at pt-br to see if I can borrow any more concepts from there. Nelson Ricardo 2500 (talk) 16:43, 31 August 2021 (UTC)
@Nelson Ricardo 2500: How about asking @FilipeFalcão:, who did about half the recordings here? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 02:06, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
He's been inactive since Jan '19, https://guc.toolforge.org/?by=date&user=FilipeFalc%C3%A3o. (Note to other contributors: I used Felipe's recordings in the destination articles, as he recorded the pronunciations for every municipality in Portugal. His files are not in the phrasebook under discussion.) Nelson Ricardo 2500 (talk) 02:13, 3 September 2021 (UTC)
How about asking @Felipe da Fonseca:? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:55, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
I wouldn't be a great judge of pt-br or en-au, so I wouldn't ask a Brazilian to review a European Portuguese phrasebook nor an Australian to review an American English slang list. Also, Felipe has never participated on enWV, except when requested to do so on the Pub. Nelson Ricardo 2500 (talk) 19:56, 4 September 2021 (UTC)
re the Aus to US, I'm quite familiar with American slang but it's not the same with British. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 13:48, 19 September 2021 (UTC)

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Article needing attention or maybe de-star nomination candidates.

  • Menzies - listing not been updated for some time (apart from coordinates). Quick look at Google Maps suggests that there are new facilities.
  • Walt Disney World has a number of districts with no coordinates on listings.
  • Washington, D.C. has a number of districts with no coordinates on listings.
  • Nusa Lembongan and Ubud needing some attention and checking if listings still relevant.
  • Big Bend National Park needs an update.

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