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Place: Christianity
Blurb: The world's most prolific religion has more than 2 billion followers, and churches and shrines on all continents. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Preferably around Christmas or Easter.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 22:03, 7 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: A fine travel topic to schedule for the holidays. We have had very few religious features.
Nomination
We have Rome/Vatican on hold. Jerusalem/Old City is a decent candidate. Exodus of Moses needs work. That will keep us a few Easters forward. /Yvwv (talk) 19:08, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Yvwv: if that's the case, then support. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:40, 2 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Hajj is not yet rated Guide, but it looks close to me. Pashley (talk) 16:01, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I've scheduled this for March 2023 so this can be featured during Easter. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 22:51, 3 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. A lot of work has been done on this article by various users, and it's quite extensive. I expect more highlights of places of tourism and pilgrimage related to Christianity will be added before and during the feature. These kinds of articles by their nature can never be comprehensive, but neither do they seek to be. We might add more information about what someone can expect to witness at various rituals (mass/service, baptism, confirmation, wedding, ordination, funeral) in different denominations, though necessarily in some generalities, so the article does not become either encyclopedic or never-ending. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:26, 12 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
On hold due to recent featuring of the Vatican. /Yvwv (talk) 01:32, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Easter Island
Blurb: This island in the South Pacific is famous for its unique culture and history visible in the moais. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any, but we usually have a less candidates for Northern Hemisphere winter months, so let's run this then. Or next spring, around Easter?
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 19:23, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: It's a world famous destination, but expensive and somewhat challenging to get to (two flights a week or sail your own boat) so probably belongs to the OtBP category. I translated content from several other language versions last winter and when adding coordinates by help of Google Maps also checked which places are still in business.
Nomination
  • Support as nominator, perhaps it needs some minor cleanup. --Ypsilon (talk) 19:23, 12 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I note that you already included it in the schedule. Don't we require some discussion before that? Also, as the Easter Island can be featured any time of the year, don't we have potential OtBP destinations that are especially visit-worthy around Christmas? –LPfi (talk) 05:50, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'm doing it like Andre who took care of the nominations until two (?) years ago, he always put places in the schedule if there were nominated ones, with a note if more work and/or support votes were needed.
As we've 1. traditionally run articles when it's weather-wise optimal to run them, 2. have the strongest coverage in non-Latin North America, northern half of Europe, Japan, Southeast Asia, and Australia and 3. try to not have too geographically close articles too close to each other, we always have had a harder time finding good articles during the Northern Hemisphere winter, and during the warmer half of the year we may run out of months to put the nominated articles in. Running an article that can be featured any time of the year in the wintersummer not only tends to create the need of scouting for another "winter article" but also will mean a "summer article" will need to wait until next year. --Ypsilon (talk) 13:36, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Almost support The article post de.voy translation looks very good. A few nitpicks, though:
    • Many listings lack datestamps (no dramas – I presume you just forgot to add them?)
    • I prefer consistency among the currency – Chile rarely accepts the US dollar, so it would be preferable if the entire article used CLP instead of an alternating mix of the two.
That's all from me. Great article otherwise! --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 10:56, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I never remember adding datestamps... For the currency at least some places to sleep post their rates in hard currency ie. USD, which to my understanding is common in the Western Hemisphere. --Ypsilon (talk) 13:36, 13 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Rovaniemi
Blurb: Santa Claus's hometown in Arctic Finland. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: The Midnight Sun in June has some appeal, but Rovaniemi is most famous as a Christmas resort. We can aim for December 2023.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 13:20, 11 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: We have had a couple of features from Finland and other Nordic countries, but not too many winter- or Christmas-themed destinations. Rovaniemi is one of few places in the Arctic or sub-Arctic famous enough to be in this category, and not Off the Beaten Path.
Nomination
  • Comment: many listings are devoid of lastedit fields. Will !vote once this is fixed. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 00:17, 12 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    The reason being they were added long ago and few recently checked. Yes, that's a problem. I went through most of them last year, but then concentrating on grouping similar sights, copy editing and the like. Last time I was there I just went into the centre for some food while waiting for the train departure, and even that was a few years ago. –LPfi (talk) 09:11, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    I removed closed companies, added new ones, and corrected the locations of those who have moved. I also added some events and places. The article should now be up to date!
    I'm wondering if the Arctic Circle should have its own section within restaurants and hotels, as in real life it forms so clearly its own village away from the town. It would also be nice to add more accommodation facilities and other services that are located in rural villages. Xepheid (talk) 14:54, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    There are still listings without the lastedit field, and there are links marked as dead. Did I revert your updates for these in the edit conflict? I tried to check that I reinserted all additions and updates.
    I am not sure how to best handle the Arctic Circle and the remote villages. At least there should be coordinates and an appropriate directions parameter, naming the village. For the Arctic Circle, I think a subsection, not only a listing, is warranted, and different places can be mentioned and linked there even if the listings go to the appropriate section (Do, Eat, whatever). For the remote villages, the Nearby approach is probably the best.
    –LPfi (talk) 18:57, 29 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]


Place: Aviation history in the United States
Blurb: Since the Wright Brothers launched their Flyer on 3rd December 1903, America has been a world leader in aviation. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Most air shows are held during northern summer, but Nov/Dec 2023 will be the 120th anniversary of the Wright Flyer.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 09:11, 23 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Aviation history featured in Nov/Dec 2020, and we have soon had the recommended 24 month cooldown for thematically similar articles. The article needs a more inspiring intro and understand section.
Nomination

Place: Pai
Blurb: The "Khao San Road of the North" is popular with backpackers from all over the world, mainly for its partying, but it's also surrounded with hot springs and waterfalls (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Oct-Feb is the "busy season"
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 15:21, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: A suggestion for next Northern Hemisphere winter, traditionally we feature a couple of articles from Southeast Asia (which we cover well) then. Thailand is a familiar sight on the Main Page, though almost always as DotM; this would be our third Thai OtBP. The article is otherwise in a good shape, but it needs to be checked for up-to-dateness closer to the time its featured. Also a couple of coordinates are missing, at it could use some more photos.
Nomination

Place: Punta Arenas
Blurb: The capital of Chilean Patagonia is a gateway to Antarctica, and a good place to see penguins. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: December to March
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 16:24, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: We have no upcoming South American articles. This article has improved a lot lately, and is clearly in the OtBP category. Re-categorized as DOTM.
Nomination
There is no clear defining line between DoTM and OtBP. Number of visitors per year would be a decent guideline, but I cannot find any statistics for Punta Arenas. While the city has more than 100,000 inhabitants and many hospitality venues, it is fairly isolated, 3,000 kilometres from Santiago. /Yvwv (talk) 01:50, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Well, we did feature Yosemite National Park and Zion National Park as dotms even though they're national parks. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:24, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Needs a bit of work, though hopefully not much. 'Get around' is very sparse on details for a city that size, and there are a few too many dead links for my liking. PA is undoubtedly off the beaten path, right at the bottom of Patagonia, and cut off by road from the rest of Chile. I haven't been there, but my father has, as part of the tortuous LATAM airline route to the Falkland Islands (the Santiago to PA stretch alone was like 3½ hours). Most visitors are on their way to somewhere even more remote: Antarctica, rural Patagonia or one of the islands.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 11:00, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Scheduled provisionally for Dec 2022/Jan 2023. /Yvwv (talk) 13:20, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Feature as a dotm?

Given how Arches National Park and Milford Sound are have been nominated as a destination of the month, I'm a bit skeptical of featuring this as an otbp because it gives an impression that Wikivoyage is ethnocentric towards destinations in the Anglosphere (and it shouldn't be). It certainly is cut off by road from the rest of Chile, but most travellers who visit PA usually fly. It also has a population of over 125,000, is the regional centre of Patagonia, and as I mentioned earlier, many have heard of this destination, and I dare say more people have heard of PA than Arches National Park or Milford Sound for that matter*.

*This depends on country. More Americans would have heard of Arches NP than Puntas Arenas, but the reverse is true for nearly everywhere else.

What does everyone else think?

--SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 04:04, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

The boundary between DOTM and OTBP has never been settled, and the categorization of earlier features seems strange in context. I would not mind to re-nominate this article as a DOTM, and would welcome any new suggestion to define the categories. /Yvwv (talk) 16:41, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Navarre (Florida) is nominated to get a replacement for the Jan/Feb slot. /Yvwv (talk) 16:03, 7 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Destination
Blurb: With trains over 320 km/h and a network of 27,000 km, rail travel is one of the most efficient ways to get around Japan. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: March-June 2023
Nominated by: SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:33, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: This is possibly one of our best rail articles we have so far, and also one of our most detailed rail articles. As we have two articles featured from Japan, around 2023 would be the ideal time, around northern spring. With that said, some dead links need to be fixed.
Nomination
Also I wish the regional rail pass section was longer. Tai123.123 (talk) 07:24, 23 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Tai123.123: Though I'm not sure whether the joyful trains should even be mentioned though. I don't think any of our other "rail" articles mention tourist trains, as these are more supposed to be articles for getting around Japan by train, but this seems to be an outlier. That said, it is very useful information, so I don't see any reason to remove it, though I don't know much about Japan's train system (or any train system outside of Australia's and Singapore's), so I'd defer to you. On another note, while we're at joyful trains, are these synonymous with tourist trains, or do they have a different meaning? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:16, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, joyful trains are tourist trains. Perhaps it may be to create a Joyful Trains in Japan travel topic as they’re very popular with both domestic and international visitors. Tai123.123 (talk) 14:57, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Preferably Joyful trains in Japan per wv:capitalization ;-) --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:52, 7 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Scheduled for June/July 2022. /Yvwv (talk) 01:32, 19 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Given the popularity of the Japan Rail Pass among foreign travelers to Japan, I wonder if this feature would be better pushed back to October or later since the announcement this month that the Japan Rail Pass prices will be raised quite significantly. They have released rates, but these are subject to change. Currently regional passes are unaffected but that could change. While most of the information in the article is timeless and I know the currently released new prices were added to the guide, I feel like it makes more sense to feature when everything is known and we are able to say "These are the prices" as opposed to "current prices" vs "tentative prices from October" that will occur a few months after the feature. An article about trains isn't really seasonal like city articles, so pushing it back to fall or winter doesn't feel like it makes a real timing issue. What does everyone else think? ChubbyWimbus (talk) 10:32, 29 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Is this just going to be pushed through then in spite of the timing?ChubbyWimbus (talk) 11:05, 20 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, if you, who are knowledgeable about Japan, think it's optimal to run the article in October instead then why not. We can feature Belgian coast by tram now, then German cuisine (which has been nominated for two years soon!) in July, Rail travel in Japan in October, and Churches in Antarctica later (January 2024?). @SHB2000, Yvwv, AlasdairW, Jpatokal, Tai123.123:, what do you think? --Ypsilon (talk) 14:47, 21 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I am ok with deferring it for a few months, but no later than October. This is assuming that somebody is following the price changes and will update. I have used Japan Rail Passes in June and October (several years apart). AlasdairW (talk) 20:26, 21 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think it's worth deferring the article just for the JRP pricing changes, but then again, the article will work perfectly fine in October as well. Jpatokal (talk) 08:15, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]
So if people are fine with postponing the article, I'll update the FTT to Belgian coast by tram within 24h, if someone hasn't done it by then already. Ypsilon (talk) 19:29, 22 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Salem
Blurb: Home of the infamous 1692 Salem witch trials, visit during "spooky season" when the events calendar and fall foliage reach their zenith. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: October
Nominated by: ButteBag (talk) 16:53, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I had the chance to visit several times this summer by car, train, boat, and bike. (Not that I stayed long, lol.) This is a charming New England seaside town, quite popular with tourists in the region. Totally get it if people would rather not feature (another) North American location.
Nomination

Outcome: OtBP for October 2023. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 08:17, 11 October 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Ankara
Blurb: Ankara is the capital of Turkey, which reaches its centenary in Oct 2023. It has a Roman citadel, and a sprawling city full of museums, mosques and other places of interest. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Oct 2023
Nominated by: Grahamsands (talk) 14:38, 22 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: The page needs updating and this is in hand.
Nomination
  • Comment: Turkey's centenary year began with a tragic earthquake, but the west and capital were little affected and still in business.

Place: Kill Bill tour
Blurb: Tour both sides of the Pacific in the bloody footsteps of The Bride! (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Kill Bill vol. 1 was released on 10 October 2003, the September 2023 FTT slot would mean it's featured at the 20 years anniversary. Otherwise, anytime really.
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 21:12, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Yes, we have more nominees than ever before (especially in the Featured Travel Topic section). Still, next autumn there will be 20 years since the premiere of first movie so I think it could be a good time to feature this article. I'd say it is really as complete as it can get, as I watched the movies and took notes when writing the article.
Nomination
The trailers for them are on Youtube BTW. :) --Ypsilon (talk) 18:34, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. I've never seen these movies. I read part of the article. I tweaked some phrasings slightly, and I suppose there could be more opportunities to make small edits (one tendency I noticed was to put Blvd and similar abbreviations in lowercase instead of the initial caps they need as part of street names), but it certainly looks complete, as you said. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:59, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Excellent itinerary article. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 17:31, 11 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Copenhagen/Amager
Blurb: A major entry and transit point to Denmark, Amager is not exactly teeming with attractions but still has forts, concert halls and greenery (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Star (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: May-Sep for warmest weather
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 14:33, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: A star article which we haven't featured! Copenhagen Airport was FTT in July 2016, and Copenhagen DotM in December 2009. If you're asking why OtBP and not DotM, well, out of Copenhagen's districts I think this is one of the lesser visited (as in seeing the attractions), even if a ton of people pass though as the airport and the Danish end of the road and rail Øresund Bridge to Sweden are here.
Nomination
Comment: As mentioned many times, we have yet to settle on a boundary between DoTM and OtBP. But are we sure that a district of a million-sized capital city, which contains a top-tier airport and several museums and other tourist attractions, should go as OtBP?/Yvwv (talk) 19:15, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
As I see it, all districtified cities have one or several districts that should be OtBP, because they receive less visitors than the other districts in the city. Granted, a lot of travelers use the airport and drive or ride a train across the Öresund bridge, but most visitors to Copenhagen go see Strøget, Nyhavn, the Royal Palace, Tivoli etc. rather than actually going visiting Amager. --Ypsilon (talk) 20:35, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as DoTM. It's a great star article and I was in fact thinking of nominating it, but no way can I support this being an OtBP – I can understand that it's not the top draw of Copenhagen, but especially considering that this is the main gateway to the city of 1.5 million, it makes Wikivoyage look like it doesn't know what it's talking about. It's a bit like featuring Staten Island as an OtBP because it's the least visited borough of New York City. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 12:51, 24 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Glasgow
Blurb: Scotland's largest city and gateway to the Atlantic has a great range of shopping, museums, and parks. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: While northern summer has the best weather, it tends to get overloaded with European destinations. We can consider other seasons, as Glasgow has many indoor venues. Not sure about events.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 21:18, 3 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: The Isles have no scheduled articles, and Scotland has had very few features ever. This article has the essentials, but some venues need coordinates.
Nomination
It was decided to use 24-hr clock in Scotland.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 08:33, 4 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Right, so that would mean all the listings that use the 12-hour clock need to be fixed. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 08:36, 4 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict - you reply too quickly!) Although having said that, there's nothing on Talk:Scotland. Perhaps Ground Zero knows whether (and where) this was ever definitely decided?--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 08:38, 4 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
(Lmao, but I really do) Looking back at the page history, it appears that @FredTC: changed the formats so the article conforms with Talk:United Kingdom and the policy, and I added {{time}} to some of the listings. Looking at Talk:United Kingdom#Time formatting in the UK, there was no explicit consensus on what to use for Scotland. I've yet to visit Scotland (but I'd love to visit Scotland en route to the Faroes) so I'd defer to you, AlasdairW, Yvwv and anyone who knows Scotland better than I do. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 08:49, 4 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I think the discussion didn't reach a consensus with respect to Scotland. I'll be going in a couple of weeks, and can offer my opinion based on what I see while I am there. Ground Zero (talk) 09:59, 4 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
To Glasgow? (if so, very timely and useful for this nomination!) Or to Scotland in general? I don't think there's much of a difference in respect of time from the rest of the UK, in that both systems are used in different situations, so it would make more sense to follow the Talk:UK standard, but we can wait for your observations.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 11:10, 4 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
To Scotland in general, including Glasgow. I have been using primarily Wikivoyage for planning this month-long trip to Scotland as the articles are generally in quite good condition. I will keep my eyes open while I am there and will report back. Ground Zero (talk) 12:14, 14 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support but needs work. The problem has been a shutdown of pubs and other business in Scotland beyond that in England, so I deferred updating. But any that haven't re-opened by now are probably gone for good. The structure of Drink ought to be geographical - ordering by category assumes that a pub can only fit in a single niche. Grahamsands (talk) 09:34, 21 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Scheduled for July 2023, though this may be replaced with Lyon if there are no further support !votes or if we choose to feature London/Westminster for Charles III's coronation. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 10:15, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

  • Support Graham has done a lot of good work in updating this. I have made a couple of brief visits to Glasgow in the last year, and the article looks in good shape. Not a big issue, but I have a slight preference for featuring it in another month, not July: July is the peak traditional local holidays (especially during the fair fortnight in the first two weeks), some may wish to avoid Orange Order marches and more happens in spring and autumn months. AlasdairW (talk) 21:36, 18 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Now scheduled for Sept, which is fine. My updates are complete, it just wants a feather-duster in August in case anything closes or re-opens. Grahamsands (talk) 08:06, 27 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Outcome: DotM for September 2023. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 13:05, 2 September 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Quebec Route 389
Blurb: (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: I don't know, but I would say sometime during the northern summer months? Will defer to either @Ground Zero: who wrote most of the article or @Veillg1:, our most active contributor from Quebec. July or August
Nominated by: SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:06, 17 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: This article has been one of my "articles for inspiration" in my early days on this site, and it's a pretty detailed article. More recently, I've added a mapline to the article too, one of only a few articles on this site to have one. Cannot see anything missing from here as well.
Nomination
  • I agree with this. Very good information, but we need a bit more macro-level context. Is this mainly just a challenge, or is it a really beautiful drive, even if desolate? Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:08, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Destination
Blurb: The population centre of Svalbard is the northernmost town in the world and a base for exploring the remote Arctic wilderness. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Northern summer.
Nominated by: SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:44, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: We've have few features of Norway and this one seems like a good article for another Norwegian feature. As to dotm or otbp, Longyearbyen is reasonably well known but not enough for dotm.
Nomination
A preferrable timing would be June/July, with the midnight sun. /Yvwv (talk) 12:56, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'd prefer that slot too. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 13:04, 18 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
We might have a diversity problem as June is high season for the Nordic countries, and we have both E8 through Finland and Norway and Swedish Empire considered for June 2023. Svalbard is administered by Norway and most visitors arrive through Norway, but nature and culture are very different from Norway proper. /Yvwv (talk) 09:16, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think there's a problem with featuring all three at once. The islands are around 700 kilometres from the mainland at the closest, but that's in the far north of Norway and I would more so consider Svalbard as an Arctic destination rather than a Nordic destination.
Another possibility is to hold of E8 till 2024, and two years after we feature the nearby Archipelago Trail and do what we do with neighbouring destinations (as the closest points are closer than 80 km apart based on a quick google earth line). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:11, 20 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: On the talk page, we have concluded that features on Wikitravel before 2012 should be seen as unofficial, and eligible to feature again on Wikivoyage. However, very few of the OtBP's of that time would make the cut today. Svalbard is one of few pre-2012 features which deserves its Guide status. Shall we nominate Svalbard itself? /Yvwv (talk) 12:20, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know to be fair. The Svalbard article is overall one of the best region articles we have on the English Wikivoyage, but only one of Svalbard's six national parks have an article. But if Svalbard is run again, it should be featured as dotm, not otbp, as it strikes me as absolutely absurd to feature one of the world's most famous islands as "off the beaten path" (and as it has regular flights from Oslo, it would bring it in line with Uluru-Kata Tjuta National Park which was a dotm).
That said, I'll start some of the national park articles soon, and five is not many to work on. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:33, 12 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Alternatively, we could consider Klaksvík, which is the only guide level article from the Faroe Islands as there have been zero features from the Faroes before. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:31, 22 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
SO SO close I would remove a few images and make it so the climate box doesn't break the layout. Everything else looks really good. ButteBag (talk) 17:45, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Lyon
Blurb: France's third city is famous for its Roman heritage, its cuisine, and its proximity to the mountains. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any. Aug-Oct is harvest season, and has decent weather. Possibly December for Fête des Lumières and Christmas.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 09:17, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: France receives more international tourists than any other country, but has had rather few features. This is a lengthy article, though many places need coordinates. Slushed in 2010.
Nomination
I hope you get better soon! Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:54, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I completely forgot to respond to this (I think I didn't hit the reply button), but I eventually gave up. Unfortunately, I'm not very good at dealing with layers. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 10:57, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - Listings in for example Do and Drink need coordinates, and we need to check that all listings are still in business - which SHB apparently is doing right now. The number of See listings is well above 50 (I start thinking about districts when See listings start approaching 40 but maybe that's just me...), so Lyon perhaps needs to be divided in some districts. We don't need 10 of them as in the district map, but the rivers apparently divide Lyon neatly in three parts. --Ypsilon (talk) 10:44, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I think it could be time for Lyon to be divided into districts. It's large, has an abundance of tourist attractions, and the article has gotten somewhat overly long – I can certainly help if needed. I would prefer your suggestion as opposed to fr.voy's districting (see fr:Lyon). It makes sense for the 5th and 9th arrondissements to be in one, the 1st, 2nd and 4th to be in another, and the 3rd, 6th, 7th and 8th to be in a third district. I don't know enough about Lyon to replace the see and do sections with slabs of black text, but I can certainly help out with the districts. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 11:02, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Schedule for December? The Vatican article still has issues, and we have already had one Italian DoTM this year. Lyon has the Fête des Lumières in December, and seems to be a good destination for Christmas shopping. /Yvwv (talk) 11:24, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Place: German cuisine
Blurb: While Germany is famous for meat dishes with cheese, bread and beer, their cuisine is cosmopolitan with flavours from the whole world. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: All months have their signature dishes, but Germany is best enjoyed at summer.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 20:48, 21 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Meets the expectations of a cuisine article, with Bavarian cuisine and Franconian cuisine as appendices.
Nomination
Scheduled for mushroom season, just before Oktoberfest and Erntedankfest. /Yvwv (talk) 21:34, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: I don't have the time or energy to reread this article in its entirety right now (I feel fluish from side effects from a COVID booster I got Thursday afternoon), but I've helped copy-edit this article before and I think it's great. I especially like all the seasons set out by month, because they're so important in Germany. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:59, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
On hold, as Georgian cuisine is an even better article, and we will have enough German features now. /Yvwv (talk) 15:01, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Scheduled for November to December, with Christmas fairs. If we find three food and drink topics to be too much for a year, we can consider rescheduling. /Yvwv (talk) 23:43, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
On hold again to feature in 2023. /Yvwv (talk) 10:50, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Yvwv: A continuation of the thread in #Georgian cuisine, but should this article still be featured for Oktoberfest, now that we have German beer and wine? I don't really have much of an opinion on the timing, but if there are other famous times of the year known for food, then we should consider it, though just a suggestion, as I don't know much about German cuisine, and I'd defer to both of you. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:24, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
As said before, the Oktoberfest isn't that much of a culinary event, but mostly suggested for its world fame. This article can feature any time of the year when we do not have too many features about Germany or food. Georgian cuisine got priority since it is even better, and we have had very few features from the Caucasus. /Yvwv (talk) 11:38, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That makes sense, and based on your reasoning, I now don't have a problem with featuring it in Oktober. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:49, 3 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment any ideas when this is to be featured, it has been sitting around for a year and a half? Not that topics age as quickly as articles with listings, but still I don't think nominations should sit here for years. Perhaps "November to December, with Christmas fairs" like it was suggested above. --Ypsilon (talk) 11:23, 7 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Outcome: FTT for July 2023. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 12:47, 21 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Tombstone Territorial Park
Blurb: One of the Yukon's best-kept secrets contain rugged peaks, permafrost landforms and wildlife for kilometres on end. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Sometime during summer, preferably in the July slot that's currently vacant.
Nominated by: SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 08:47, 19 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I've always wanted to create an article for this park and finally created it yesterday – I've done everything that I could do make it otbp-standard. We've had zero features of the Yukon and only one feature from Northern Canada (Iqaluit, Nunavut).

As a side note, does anyone know any sites that I can go to in order to obtain a climate chart? Couldn't seem to find one, though I did find .
Nomination

Scheduled for July 2023, though more support !votes would be favourable. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 10:18, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Outcome: otbp for Jul 2023. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 05:11, 11 July 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Central Jakarta
Blurb: Visit the Indonesian capital's CBD area for some cosmopolitan vibes surrounded by commercial centres and malls. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Southern winter.
Nominated by: SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 01:19, 17 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: As per the talk page, the next five months all have European destinations – to diversify this a bit, here's one that I've recently updated. I haven't finished yet, but I should be done by tonight.
Nomination

Place: Belgian coast by tram
Blurb: Did you know you can explore almost the whole Belgian coast - its beaches, towns and monuments - by tram? (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Star (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: May-Sep probably for warm and nice weather
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 18:45, 2 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: A while ago I requested this article and thanks to Wauteurz we now have a guide article so detailed and informative that definitely needs to get on the Main Page. Next summer maybe?
Nomination

Scheduled for July 2023. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 10:18, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Tutuala
Blurb: The easternmost point of East Timor is famous for its ancient cave paintings. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: East Timor#Climate: the dry season is June-October
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 01:06, 14 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: We are running short on OtBP candidates, in particular those that can be run year round. This article is a recent translation from German Wikivoyage. We have yet to settle on the boundary between DoTM and OtBP, but this destination is clearly in the latter category. Geographic diversity is of course not enough to feature an article, but we never had a feature from East Timor.
Nomination
Scheduled for June/July, while Southeast Asia and Oceania are absent for the season. /Yvwv (talk) 19:05, 15 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Brocken
Blurb: The 1,141-metre roof of the Harz Mountains might be a laughing stock in elevation, but there's no denying that Brocken perfectly fits in like a cake above the surrounding Saxony-Anhalt countryside. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Preferably northern spring or summer, when the snow isn't supposed to act as a pest.
Nominated by: SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 10:59, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Given how we might appear short on dotm candidates, here's one suitable candidate. It particular, it's very detailed, especially the get in section, which makes this stand out over many of our other park articles. In addition, much of this article was written by Ypsilon in February 2022, so I presume that a lot of the content here is up-to-date.

The only issue I have with this article is how there are so many galleries, violating Wikivoyage:Image policy. However, this issue seems small enough that it can be handled within the near future before it's featured.
Nomination
Yes, the summer months would be most suitable. The article is BTW a translation from the Star Brocken article in German WV (see tag at Talk:Brocken). That article has a lot of photos illustrating the routes and landscapes nicely however they are compressed into a thing called "Scroll galleries" they have over at WV-de. I didn't know of any other way of adding them here than a couple of galleries; if people think there are too much of them I'm fine with deleting them. --Ypsilon (talk) 14:57, 16 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I personally like the galleries, but Wikivoyage:Image policy... SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 07:09, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Outcome: DotM for June 2023. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 12:17, 2 June 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Swedish Empire
Blurb: In the 17th century, Sweden encircled the Baltic Sea and had farflung possessions; today, they are yours to explore. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Weather is best in northern summer. May/June 2023 would include the 500th anniversary of independent Sweden, and give the customary 24 month cooldown time since a feature from a neighboring destination (Stockholm history tour, featured in May 2021).
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 15:49, 21 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: A history article which both includes a concise historical description, and many relevant destinations with Wikidata links and descriptions. While most of them are in today's Sweden and Finland, some are in less featured regions such as Eastern Europe, the Caribbean, and West Africa.
Nomination
I had a reread of the article, and I don't think there are that much issues with the tone anymore and therefore, I now support featuring the article for the 500th anniversary. The 0,0 coord issue also seems to be resolved, and so really, I don't think there's anything that's missing. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:20, 2 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: The history section has been completely rewritten since the nomination. The timeline and the trivia sections are less prominent. Please reconsider votes. /Yvwv (talk) 11:40, 25 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I don't know if the phrase I put after a semicolon is too cliched, but I found the previous wording of the blurb awkward. For the record, this was the previous phrasing: "A great power of the 17th century encircled the Baltic Sea, and reached far overseas, with a legacy surviving far outside Sweden's current borders." Ikan Kekek (talk) 15:49, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Scheduled for May/June 2023. /Yvwv (talk) 11:01, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Which is approaching. Are there other things needed than copy editing by a native speaker? Could somebody take this upon them? –LPfi (talk) 08:23, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Outcome: FTT for May 2023. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 08:36, 22 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Stamford
Blurb: The United Kingdom's first urban conservation area features hundreds of Georgian buildings. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Northern summer. Not sure about public events.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 00:50, 22 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: We have no current nominees from the Isles. Needs a more inspiring intro, and more pictures.
Nomination
We can consider running Fordingbridge instead. Are there any events or anniversaries that would make any of them more suitable? /Yvwv (talk) 23:14, 21 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Perhaps maybe the July-August slot for the Fordingbridge festival? @ThunderingTyphoons!:, given you wrote nearly all of the article, is there any particular time that you think Fordingbridge should be featured? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 08:01, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
No particular time as the New Forest is beautiful all year round, though I guess April-October would be preferable since most of the attractions are outside; I doubt the festival is big enough to be the reason for featuring.
Tbh, as much as I appreciate the recognition for a job well done on this article, geographical diversity would call for Stamford to be featured before Fordingbridge (which, like Farnborough, is in Hampshire, though of course the two are very different from one another). We've never featured somewhere in Lincolnshire before, and I'm even struggling to think of anywhere else in the English Midlands we've featured. Though it's true that from 'Eat' onwards, the article gets a bit colourless.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:23, 22 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I fixed the time formatting, but the article is woefully out of date. Ground Zero (talk) 02:53, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Scheduled for May/June 2023. Please evaluate the article. /Yvwv (talk) 11:00, 26 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Super close: LOL you guys have a Stamford too!? The only thing holding this article back imho is that the lede/understand sections are too "choppy", reads like wikipedia. You don't need 5 quotes bro. Try to make it more prose-ified. Why should I care about Stamford? ButteBag (talk) 19:27, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Oppose Stamford is lovely, but we should not feature an article where most of the listings are 4 years old or more. So many businesses closed for good during the lockdowns. All of the listings should be verified and updated before this proceeds. Ground Zero (talk) 02:52, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I have just been through all the Sleep and Buy listings, and apart from one chain store, they all appear to still be in business. The others will need to be verified, but I am not expecting major changes. AlasdairW (talk) 23:13, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I've updated the coach and car park info, but there are still many listings dated 2018 that should be verified and updated before thus article is featured. Ground Zero (talk) 13:08, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Quotes

As ButteBag mentioned, the article does not need five whopping quotes. I've pasted the quotes below so we can decide. For one, the Sir John Betjeman can definitely go (definitely subjective and the least specific to Stamford), but I'm opinionless on the others.

  • "Stamfford town is as fine a built town all of stone as may be seen” — Celia Fiennes
  • "The finest sight on the road between Edinburgh and London" — Sir Walter Scott
  • "If there is a more beautiful town in the whole of England, I have yet to see it" — W. G. Hoskins
  • “The best town we have" — Sir John Betjeman
  • “The English country market town par excellence” — Nikolaus Pevsner

--SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 02:42, 9 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Put on hold? There are considerations to run either London/Westminster or Monarchy of the United Kingdom for King Charles's coronation. If we run either of those, Stamford should wait, as we avoid running parallel features from the same country. /Yvwv (talk) 13:08, 10 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Good to go for OTBP. IMO this page was only middling usable, worse than the out-of-date entries was their trite or scrappy content. It's been overhauled and should now be a more racy and informative read. Any offers for a better banner? - the present could be any market city. The defining image of Stamford is the "gallows" sign for The George above St Martin High Street. Grahamsands (talk) 20:13, 4 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Looks dope, banner alts added, TY for all the work! ButteBag (talk) 01:29, 5 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. It has now been updated. My only visit to Stamford was one night on a work trip 15 years ago, so I don't realy know the town, but the article does reflect the little that I do know. AlasdairW (talk) 21:52, 27 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Outcome: OtBP for May 2023. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 07:49, 12 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Vilnius
Blurb: The Lithuanian capital has interesting things to explore from Medieval castle ruins to modern bars and glass-and-steel buildings. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: May-Sep probably
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 21:45, 8 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Someone said we have a shortage of DotM's. Well, here's one more candidate. I made a brief visit to the city a few weeks ago and have updated the listings and other parts of the article, so it should probably be good to go.
Nomination
Scheduled for May 2023. We have not had many articles from Europe east of the former Iron Curtain lately. While Russia, Belarus and Ukraine are off limits, the Baltic states are appealing. /Yvwv (talk) 15:02, 9 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I object to the rescheduling of Lyon. FWIW, Lyon is in a much better state than this article. Also, it's worth noting that many listings are devoid of descriptions. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 08:28, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If Lyon is good to go, it can be featured for Fête des Lumières in December, and we save the Vatican for later. The Vatican article still has a few issues, and we did an Italian city (Turin) earlier this year. /Yvwv (talk) 09:45, 10 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Given how Lyon might need to be split into districts, I now think this one should be run in April. If anything, Christianity could be postponed so it's not featured too close to Rome/Vatican. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 10:10, 11 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - this needed a lot of work, missing over half its POIs and amenities, but now looks ready. I split "See" geographically to make it less unwieldy, dividing Old Town south and north at Town Hall. That's a bit arbitrary but fits a tour on foot, and IMO districtification would be unhelpful for this compact destination. The banner was discussed in 2018 and I like the current pic, which literally sets the scene. May is a good time to visit. Grahamsands (talk) 21:45, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

* Not yet Thanks for expanding the article but... the smaller issue is that many of the listings lack coordinates. And now there are so many POIs - most notably 60 or so in See - that we indeed should to consider subdividing Vilnius into a couple of districts. --Ypsilon (talk) 10:16, 18 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

District discussion open at Talk:Vilnius#Districts? --Ypsilon (talk) 14:00, 30 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Well, I guess this one will have to run as it is, as per the article talk page. --Ypsilon (talk) 13:19, 16 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Outcome: DoTM for May 2023. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 06:52, 1 May 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Loop Art Tour
Blurb: Did you know that you can see some amazing modern art for free by taking a walk around downtown Chicago? (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Star (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Apr-Oct (from Magnificient Mile's and Bronzeville's nominations)
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 14:32, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: OK, as you probably all know, I don't like having articles sitting around here for longer than necessary (also it looks like some of the already nominated articles from the U.S. will still sit around here into 2022). But there has to be two years or more between articles from the same city, an article from Chicago was featured in April 2020, so the earliest possible slot for a Chicago article will thus be in April 2022. Now all, or almost, all districts from there are at guide or star status and could be run as DotM or OtBP, and as such Chicago together with Washington D.C. and San Francisco and perhaps some other cities, have high quality articles for DotM and OtBP for years to come.

But this is not the case when it comes to FTT; other than Peter Southwood's famous diving guides (speaking of which...in northern winter 2021-22 three years will have passed since one of those was featured, so it's time to nominated a new one soon) we don't have any other travel topics at star status - except for this one. So before a district of Chicago is nominated, I hereby nominate Loop Art Tour for FTT for some month in 2022.

As a star article, there shouldn't be anything to complain about when it comes to formatting or language. Though, a month or so before the article is featured we should check online that the artworks are still there.
Nomination
  • Support as nominator. --Ypsilon (talk) 14:33, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Almost The talk page says that one of the sculptures has been removed. It has been 8 years since any real update, and so I think it needs somebody to walk the route to confirm that everything is still there, and there are no new major attractions enroute that need a mention. The main sights should be markers, with wikidata links so the reader can find out more, or use a full page map. For an article on the main page, there should be links to relevant travel topics. AlasdairW (talk) 15:33, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Nobody needs to walk the route, and we don't have any active Wikivoyagers in Chicago anyway. The status of the sculpture that's been removed can probably be determined by a Google search. If not, then just delete it from the itinerary. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 17:42, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I might be wrong, but I think user:The dog2 is in Chicago. If not, you may not need an actual person to walk it, but the internet research should be more involved than you imply, per Alasdair's suggestions. Most readers will likely assume that featured articles have been thoroughly researched, and as recently as possible.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 18:58, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
There's also User:SewChicago, who unlike me is an actual local who was born and raised in Chicago. I'm currently based in Chicago, but I'm still a foreigner. I haven't really been going out recently thanks to the pandemic, but I'd be happy to go around a bit more after I get vaccinated. Unfortunately, I don't know when that will be. They're currently having a severe shortage of vaccine doses in Illinois, and things are just so disorganised here. It's kind of sad that what is supposed to be the best and greatest country in the history of mankind is bungling the vaccine rollout so badly, in contrast to how organised and competent the rollout has been in my native Singapore. The dog2 (talk) 19:05, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Since the meat of the article has already been written, it shouldn't matter that you're not a native Chicagoan. But, yeah, any time later in the year that you feel safe to go out, your help would be much appreciated (and much needed, given that by the time this is featured, it'll be 10 years since it was last done). I don't expect to get the vaccine for months yet, but I am lucky enough to not be in a rush and don't envy anyone with a more urgent need. I'm just thankful that most of my older family members have all either had their first jab or have an appointment scheduled.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 20:20, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘By the way, I noticed that the Buckingham Fountain is missing from the tour. That would add some extra time, but if you want to look at art installations in Chicago, I'd recommend it. I actually prefer it to the Crown Fountain. The dog2 (talk) 00:39, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support. I haven't felt motivated to vote on nominations for features during the pandemic, but this is a star article, so I have full confidence that it'll be in great condition by the time it runs. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:22, 30 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Rescheduled for April/May. The article is good to go, and late April is sufficiently warm in Chicago. Ohio State Parks is delayed to June/July, as it needs some work, and is more of a summery destination. /Yvwv (talk) 10:48, 16 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I just noticed that if we schedule this in May, it will overlap with Homer for its last ten days. Is there any objections in switching Homer with Ingolstadt? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:16, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Freedom of panorama issues

It seems that Commons does not have many images of the tour due to freedom of panorama, and as such there is barely any image selection to choose from and none of the images in the article work out as a banner to the dimensions of 3:1. We can only feature it if someone finds a photo that can be uploaded locally that works as a banner, or else we might have to slush it due to the lack of banner (which nobody would like to do). --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:44, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

On hold due to lack of images. /Yvwv (talk) 12:46, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Yvwv: It may be the most strangest reasons, but should this be slushed? As far as I'm aware, Wikivoyage needs to comply with US and Californian law as the servers are hosted in California, and the freedom of panorama issue is not going to change anytime soon and so until that is ever resolved, this can never be a featured article unless the law somehow changes. (cc nominator @Ypsilon:). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:12, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
There are photos on Commons of the Bean (Cloud Gate) and I have a couple of my own photos of it. The question is whether we can claim editorial use for a main page banner rather than an image in the article next to text describing the artwork - it might be good to mention the specific artwork in the blurb. The BP Bridge has a functional purpose and so may not be affected by US FOP. I can't make a banner at the moment, but I will take a look next week. AlasdairW (talk) 10:50, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If you have some photos which are not affected by FoP, I guess we don't have to slush it then. However, this is on hold, and will probably only run in November, so there's plenty of time. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:01, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Are all of the artworks mentioned in the article copyrighted, if there's a single one that is not we could use a photo of that as banner if such a photo is available. How about the picture the article's banner is cropped from? Or if there's no artwork we could use, we could just use a view along the itinerary that wouldn't include any of the artworks (shouldn't be a problem to find photos as we're talking about central parts of U.S's third largest city?). --Ypsilon (talk) 12:13, 21 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Fixed. There are two banners to choose from, showing the BP Bridge which is a functional structure that should be free of FOP concerns. AlasdairW (talk) 14:38, 17 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Outcome: FTT for April 2023. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 06:52, 21 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Klaksvík
Blurb: Visit the Faroe Islands’ second largest town for some great scenery, a historic harbour and its annual summer festival, Summarfestivalurin. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: July for Summarfestivalurin (as it happens annually during early August.)
Nominated by: SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:29, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: First up, I'll admit I’m a bit biased given I started this article, but I’ve always wanted to feature this article ever since this became a guide article. We’ve never had a feature of the Faroe Islands, and often it’s forgotten and while I’m aware that we do have several Nordic nominations, this could replace Longyearbyen if we don’t want a back-to-back Norway/Sweden feature. That said, it does need some copyedits, and it could do with a better get in/around section. I tried to add a climate chart, but I couldn’t find any online information for the town's climate, but I’m not sure whether it’s needed given it’s only 40 km from Tórshavn, and there’s not much deviation in weather through the Faroes at all.
Nomination
What copy edits does it need after I made some today? I would have supported, but if you think it's not ready yet, why did you nominate it now? Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:53, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I'll admit I only skimmed through the article after you copyedited it, but now that I've had a full re-read, I think it's good to go. I might expand the "get in" section, but we have more than a year to do this, but I think that's all that's needed for a feature. As for why I nominated it now, I nominated it now, I nominated it so we could reserve July/August 2023 for Klaksvik. Anyway, thanks for your copyedits. Looking much better now :-). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:00, 12 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Klaksvík narrowly meets the limit for creating a standalone article, with one hotel and at least three other venues, but can still be considered a bit too small. We could consider merging the article with Borðoy (the island) to include some smaller villages, mountains, birdwatching locations, and other points of interest. /Yvwv (talk) 08:58, 15 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I'm a bit unsure on this one. I think it would make more sense to cover everything else on Borðoy in Northern Islands or otherwise it makes Borðoy (after renaming) a bit redundant. Maybe we should do something along the lines with Torshavn and Streymoy, where Torshavn only covers the city, while Streymoy (the rural area article) covers everything outside Torshavn (apologies for omitting the accent; can't get the accent on my keyboard). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:30, 15 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • The article certainly looks long enough to stand alone, and recall that we previously featured and starred Childs, New York, which has but one inn and one sight (albeit a complex) in "See and Do". That said, there is no Borðoy article; the term redirects to Northern Islands. So if there's more to say about the island outside of town, we could rename the article. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:29, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I think based on the regionalisation of the Faroes, towns that are large enough to have their own article can have so, while everything else gets mentioned in the relevant rural area article, so in this case, everything else in Borðoy would be mentioned in Northern Islands. But I'm not entirely sure though, but I assume it works that way due to how Torshavn and Streymoy are covered. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 13:34, 4 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The Northern Islands including Klaksvík has a total population of less than 8,000, and not too many venues and attractions for a whole article. I would vote for merging Klaksvík with the Northern Islands. We can compare another nominee, Cooch Behar, where the city proper has nearly 100,000 inhabitants, while the Cooch Behar district has nearly 3 million. Population alone does not define our geographic hierarchy, but it gives a clue about when a region or city should be split up. /Yvwv (talk) 18:56, 3 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I would oppose a merger for practical reasons. As Ikan Kekek mentioned, we have featured Childs, a tiny hamlet so population is not a standalone factor that should be taken into consideration. As for what makes it practical, the simple answer comes down to driving. Most of the Faroes are inaccessible by public transport – in this case, Klaksvik is but most other POIs in the Northern Islands are not. Additionally, many drivers (inc. myself) who are used to driving on the left are often uncomfortable with driving on the right – I would try and minimise car trips as much as possible but once we merge it with the Northern Islands, then it's somewhat hard to maintain that distinction. That's why I think Klaksvik and Torshavn should have their own articles but other smaller hamlets shouldn't. Ultimately, it's not about population or any other reason why I think it should have a standalone article. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 22:24, 3 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Also, Cooch Behar is not very comparable because the entire area surrounding it is urban. I would compare this to maybe Kosciuszko National Park, NSW or Fiordland National Park, Southland. Perisher (pop. 99) and Milford Sound (pop. 120) exist within these park articles because travellers often visit these specific areas before exploring the region as a whole. IIRC, when I was doing my research to write this article, the same can be said for Klaksvik. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 08:52, 4 September 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Support: the article is pretty short, but it seems like quite an interesting place. A little expansion in the lede and first understand paragraph would be a nice bonus. ButteBag (talk) 18:57, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Jongno, Seoul
Blurb: Seoul's northern historic center is a showcase of Korean heritage, with four Grand Palaces and several museums. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Spring or autumn for weather. November for the Lantern Light Festival (if it is scheduled as usual).
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 11:21, 25 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Korea deserves a feature. Suwon did not make the cut, but this article is hopefully good enough.
Nomination

Outcome DotM for April 2023. Ypsilon (talk) 09:59, 2 April 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Mount Kosciuszko summit trails
Blurb: Climbing a Seven Summit can be a real challenge, but the world's shortest Seven Summit at only 2,228 metres, is the equivalent of your Sunday afternoon stroll. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Anytime of the year, preferably in autumn (Mar–May) before the peak snow season.
Nominated by: SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 04:06, 8 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Given that Australian cuisine was recently slushed, here's an article from Australia. I wrote this earlier this year so most of the information here is still very up-to-date and recent enough. I'm willing to make any adjustments as necessary.
Nomination

Outcome: FTT for Mar 2023. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 00:05, 21 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Guanajuato
Blurb: The capital of the namesake state in Mexico is known for its silver mines and flood tunnels. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: October to April to avoid rain and heat. October for Day of the Dead, or March for Baile de las Flores.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 12:40, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: We have no current nominees from Mexico, and few from Latin America. Nominating as OtBP, as it is not among the most famous Mexican destinations.
Nomination
  • Almost – this article is one of our best Mexican articles that could be featured as it is. However, the splurge section in Eat has no listings. Are there no splurge restaurants in Guanajuato? Otherwise, a few descriptions are needed for some listings, but otherwise it has all the essentials. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 12:48, 13 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Very close. A couple of listings are either poorly formatted or have no descriptions, but with minor fixes, I think this article will be ready for featuring as OtBP. That said, Guanajuato is one of the most famous tourist cities in Mexico and I would recommend featuring as a DOTM. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 14:17, 1 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Not Yet: In the get around section "Tunnels" should maybe be "By tunnel"? Or combine with By foot/car/whatever is the best way for that tunnel? IDK. Or put them under "See"? A few See POIs should be expanded or cut. The Mercado Hidalgo listing under Eat has odd formatting. Also remove any unused main headers. ButteBag (talk) 17:53, 6 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: This article is scheduled for March, but has yet to receive a support vote. In my opinion, an article should be scheduled only when it has at least one support vote from someone else than the nominator, and no severe issues. Can we find another candidate for March? /Yvwv (talk) 14:27, 16 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I would support slush here. I agree that the article is not feature-ready yet, and it doesn't look like that's going to change anytime soon. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 20:19, 20 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. I've spent the past couple days reviewing, fact checking, and editing this article, and I think it's cleaned up enough to again be a strong candidate. ButteBag's comments about Tunnels were a bit challenging to address, but I've expanded the discussion a bit. I don't feel they should get merged into a "By car" or any other subtopic because they are a fundamental element of the place, like the canals in Venice. You can't really avoid tunnels in Guanajuato, and they're not necessarily something you go see, you'll just find yourself in one when riding an uber or a bus to get around. If someone thinks the section can be improved, please have at it. I've also checked all the listings and updated where appropriate. Mrkstvns (talk) 18:45, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for the good work. In hindsight, we should wait scheduling articles until they have at least one support vote. /Yvwv (talk) 18:59, 17 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Place: British Columbia
Blurb: This province, which extends from Canada's Pacific Coast to snow-capped mountains, offers spectacular scenery and great outdoor activities plus the cosmopolitan city of Vancouver (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Northern summer has most comfortable climate, but ski season (January-April) is also appealing, and we have not featured many winter destinations lately.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 13:04, 4 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: We have settled on a standard for featured provinces and states, and currently have no Canadian nominees. Some other Canadian provinces and territories are also at guide level, and can also be considered.
Nomination
Good placement. IMO, scheduling can be a bit more prospective. Unless it is for a specific event, featuring an article at the beginning of the high season makes sense. /Yvwv (talk) 12:45, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Shall we change the blurb to "This province, which extends from Canada's Pacific Coast to snow-capped mountains, offers spectacular scenery and great outdoor activities plus the cosmopolitan city of Vancouver"? There was some discussion at Wikivoyage:Destination of the month candidates/Banners#British Columbia, but to some up: "Scenery" is not normally used in the plural and "for outdoor life" feels a bit strange, too. If there's no objection to this change in wording, I'll probably plunge forward and make the change in a few days. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:00, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Feel welcome. My draft for the blurb did not consider what it would sound to a native English speaker. /Yvwv (talk) 11:35, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks. Done. Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:03, 27 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Outcome: dotm for March 2023. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 06:38, 3 March 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Indira Gandhi International Airport
Blurb: Indira Gandhi International Airport is the main airport of India’s capital, New Delhi. Has great connectivity to numerous destinations. The interiors of the airport are stunning. It houses numerous shops and other facilities. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: March-June for summer season, November-February for festivals and winter.
Nominated by: 2006nishan178713t@lk 11:13, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I have visited the airport several times. In the past few days, I have edited it and upgraded it to guide status. It does have amazing interior designs. This guide now provides a full-view of the airport operations and services.
Nomination
@Roovinn: If "mediocre at best" is true, then that's what we should say. WV:Be fair means "be honest"; it doesn't mean "paint everywhere in a good light".--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 12:54, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough I suppose. Roovinn (talk) 13:51, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I have been to the airport several times, and I have tried to be as honest as possible while contributing to the guide. :) 2006nishan178713t@lk 16:49, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@SHB2000, @Ikan Kekek, @Ground Zero what do you think? 2006nishan178713t@lk 16:58, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Per Wikivoyage:Be fair, I'd mention it. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:10, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Tai123.123, what's your opinion on this? 2006nishan178713t@lk 17:52, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Absolutely. If Wikivoyage recommended restaurants that sucked, I'd be mad. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:54, 12 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I have written "but many are mediocre at best" which gives a general conception about some restaurants. In the listings, I have tried to put the restaurants all with good and positive reviews. I have avoided restaurants that really suck. 2006nishan178713t@lk 06:16, 14 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
2006nishan178713, if the restaurants that are listed are good, that needs to be mentioned, for example like this: "Each terminal has plenty of restaurant options before and after security, but many are mediocre at best. However, the ones listed below are good." Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:04, 28 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Scheduled for December 2022/January 2023, avoiding collision with Cooch Behar. /Yvwv (talk) 23:01, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Outcome: FTT for Feb 2023. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 08:18, 24 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Jimbaran
Blurb: Known as the "Beverly Hills of Bali" or "Millionaire's Row" for its high-end resorts. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: April to October, weather-wise. Not sure about festivals or events.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 07:38, 8 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Indonesia is a large country with no scheduled features. Bali itself has been featured, but none of the many places on Bali with guide-level articles. We can also consider Amed, Bedugul, Candidasa, Denpasar, Kintamani, Lovina, Nusa Dua, Nusa Penida or Sanur.
Nomination
Scheduled provisionally for February/March 2023. Not the driest season, but decently sunny. / 10:42, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

Outcome: otbp for Feb 2023. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 11:43, 12 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Milford Sound
Blurb: One of New Zealand's prime icons, this fiord nestled in the north of Fiordland National Park contains a spectacular combination of mountains, sheer cliffs, waterfalls and marine life. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Southern summer
Nominated by: SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:31, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I've recently taken some interest in Fiordland National Park recently and have recently upgraded this to guide. As for dotm/otbp, Milford is an important tourist spot not just in South Island, but NZ as a whole, so it'd be absurd to feature this as otbp and Arches NP as dotm. I'm willing to do any changes if needed.
Nomination
  • Support as nominator. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:32, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Has all the essentials. The boundary between DoTM and OtBP might need a deeper discussion than we could have for an individual article vote. Absolute number of visitors might be an incomplete measure. Let's say that a city in a high-income, high-population region such as Germany, Virginia or South Korea has around 100,000 citizens, but is no tourist attraction in its own right. We would probably feature it as OtBP, though it is likely to attract many thousands of visitors per year for business, sports, performance events and family occasions. In absolute numbers, more people would visit that city, than a national park or natural landmark which is world famous, but more isolated. The limit has to be subjective. /Yvwv (talk) 22:54, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I agree. To me, it seems absolutely absurd if we were feature to Arches National Park as a dotm and if this as an otbp when Arches NP is only heavily visited because of the large domestic tourism in the US but otherwise relatively unknown outside, while Milford is one of New Zealand's prime tourist destinations but gets fewer visitors because NZ's population is 66 times smaller than that of the US. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:05, 7 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Scheduled provisionally for February 2023. / 10:41, 2 May 2022 (UTC)

Outcome: dotm for Feb 2023. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 06:41, 3 February 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Portuguese phrasebook
Blurb: Heading to Portugal, Angola, Cape Verde or another Lusophone country for carnaval? Some Portuguese phrases may be useful. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Sometime in early 2023, one year after the Sinhala phrasebook
Nominated by: SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:39, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Currently being nominated for star article which should be promoted any day now. It's one of the only phrasebooks where we have audio pronunciations, thanks to the hard work of Nelson Ricardo 2500, and now it's time for that effort to be shown on the main page.
Nomination
  • Very very close a bit more images would be nice. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:39, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Thank you for the nomination. I've added a few more images. Given my contributions to this phrasebook, it goes with saying (but I'll say it anyway) that I Support it for Featured Travel Topic. --Nelson Ricardo (talk) 19:00, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • First of all, this looks better than any other phrasebook I've seen on this site, and I especially love that there are speech samples we can listen to for everything, so I definitely support. I have a couple of marginal comments: (1) There is a remark that Portuguese descends from Galician. To my understanding, modern Galician and Portuguese instead descend from w:Galician-Portuguese. My other comment is that the thumbnail chart of international phonetics seems too small to be useful to include, even to make the point the caption makes, but I wouldn't try to insist on removing it. Also, perhaps some of the other thumbnails are a little smaller than necessary. I don't know Portuguese, but this seems like it might be a star-level phrasebook. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:54, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
    Thank you, IK. I have clarified re Galician-Portuguese. I have added a note to the caption on the IPA chart that it can be clicked to enlarge, since many casual readers won't know that. (I definitely want to keep the chart in, since the article uses IPA as a supplement to pseudo-phoneticization and sound files.) All images are at default size, which allows users to specify their own desired thumbnail size at Special:Preferences#mw-prefsection-rendering. I prefer to not override those user preference settings. --Nelson Ricardo (talk) 20:29, 14 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Ikan Kekek: to "it might be a star-level phrasebook", it's why it's currently nominated for a star ;) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:47, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Northern winter would be good timing, as most Portuguese-speaking countries are tropical, and Portugal itself is among the mildest countries in Europe. /Yvwv (talk) 16:12, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Yvwv: Northern summer works for countries like Portugal, Angola, Mozambique, Timor-Leste et cetera, but northern summer is typhoon season in Macau. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:48, 21 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Scheduled provisionally for Dec 2022/Jan 2023. /Yvwv (talk) 13:21, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Rescheduled for Nov 2022/Dec 2023. We have some tradition to feature phrasebooks at the beginning of the year, but nothing is set in stone. /Yvwv (talk) 23:04, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I guess that works climate-wise too as the storm season in Timor hits more after January. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:11, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Rescheduled for Jan/Feb, as customary for phrasebooks, right before carnival season in many Portuguese-speaking countries. /Yvwv (talk) 23:52, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Outcome: FTT for Jan 2023. Ypsilon (talk) 21:03, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Navarre
Blurb: A calm beach town in the Florida Panhandle and the setting of Jaws 2. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: The Florida panhandle has decent weather year round. But we consider to re-categorize Punta Arenas and find a replacement for Jan/Feb. Not sure about public events.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 16:00, 7 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Florida and the US South are under-featured. The article needs more safety info.
Nomination
Scheduled provisionally for Jan/Feb 2023, replacing Punta Arenas. If a place has low crime rate, it can be mentioned in brief, with the kind of risks which might still exist (rage driving, bar fights, etc). /Yvwv (talk) 13:35, 8 October 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: This article still has many unaddressed issues, in particular, a lot of information has not been updated since 2018 (although I've updated it from eat onwards). Are we still okay with featuring it in January (less than 2 months left), or do we need another slot to replace Navarre? --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 10:22, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I'll see if I can try and get Oia (Greece) to otbp-standard if nobody is willing to fix the issues mentioned. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 11:03, 17 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • It needs more updating. I've already deleted one listing that is "permanently closed". Others haven't been checked since 2018. Ground Zero (talk) 02:56, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • Is it normal to feature an article with only the nominator and one other person in support and some cautions about its readiness? Can something else be substituted? Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:14, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @Ground Zero: Thanks for picking that up. I did check through most of the eat listings but might have forgotten to edit the lastedit parameter, but at least the article is looking better than before.
    @Ikan Kekek: The normal answer is no, it's not, and while there have been some other articles that have run with only two support !votes like Budderoo National Park or the current dotm, Bangkok/Yaowarat and Phahurat, they did not have substantial issues before they were featured. This is unlike Navarre, FL, which was nominated solely for the purpose of having a feature from Florida (again, this defeats the purpose of featuring articles). The only other suggestion I have is to run Iquitos which is also devoid of coordinates.
    (cc Ypsilon, since you have also been significantly involved in the feature) As a last resort, I am thinking if we nominate another article, one that can be featured "as-is" or with few updates to go in the January otbp slot. I don't know what article to nominate, though, and I'll be out on the road towards Tasmania for two weeks from the 6th (and will be a bit busier in the next two days) so unless someone else is willing to volunteer, I don't know what to do. I am certainly not pleased with featuring an article that's well out-of-date, even if it was partially updated by GZ or me. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 03:38, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    or, without the hassle, if someone adds a few more drink listings to Tezpur, we could run it in a few days time. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 03:40, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I'd oppose running Iquitos right now. Is it even really a guide-level article, with no addresses in Eat or Drink and no specific Drink listings? Ikan Kekek (talk) 11:14, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
I too would oppose running Iquitos now (and I didn't see that, so thanks for picking it up). The sad reality is that most nominations here are low-quality for the sole intent of diversification. There are plenty of good guide articles from well-represented places that could run as is, but they haven't been nominated yet (and it's likely we'll have to speedily nominate one that's up-to-date: what about Arthur-Pieman Conservation Area? I wrote it in Nov 2022, the weather is good for January and can run as is). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 11:24, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
As is? I don't think Arthur-Pieman Conservation Area is guide. I'll comment on its talk page. –LPfi (talk) 12:41, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have continued updating Navarre, but it's a lot for one person. If everyone in this discussion were to update five listings, Navarre would be in better shape to feature. Ground Zero (talk) 13:02, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
    @Ground Zero: have also updated the sleep section and added descriptions for all listings but the last as I'm falling asleep (it's 00:25 as I'm typing this). I'll try and help update more of the article and let nobody ever nominate an article in such a poor shape again. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 13:26, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
  • As I've been pinged, I'd suggest to just update the listings rather than panicking around to find a new article and can certainly help out if needed. As a side note, if the point is to find under-featured areas of the world for winter slots we'd be looking at parts of Latin America, Africa and small island Oceania with dry season (tropics and subtropics north of the Equator) or summer (subtropics and temperate areas in the Southern Hemisphere). Ypsilon (talk) 14:35, 3 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Just went through the listings and links and added some photos too (the selection on Commons aren't that impressive though). I must say the article was not in that bad shape IMO, but that butterfly exhibition which was listed and had coordinates pretending it was in Navarre while it in reality is in Milton, 20-30 miles to the north was a good reminder that it's good to examine articles before nominating them. That said, here's a support vote for OtBP. Ypsilon (talk) 13:12, 6 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]
Outcome: OtBP for Jan 2023.Ypsilon (talk) 21:03, 21 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Bangkok/Yaowarat and Phahurat
Blurb: The multicultural district and Chinatown in the capital of the largest overseas Chinese community becomes particularly lively for the Chinese New Year. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Star (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Jan 2023
Nominated by: SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:25, 27 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Here's an article for the Lunar New Year for 2023. The article is a star, so I'd trust that all requirements are met.
Nomination
Scheduled for Lunar New Year 2023. /Yvwv (talk) 23:44, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Outcome: dotm for Jan 2023. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 02:21, 1 January 2023 (UTC)[reply]

2022

Place: Driving in South Africa
Blurb: As South Africa lacks a good public transport network and many of its attractions are in rural areas, driving is recommended. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: 2023 southern winter.
Nominated by: SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:03, 17 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: We haven't had a driving article featured for some time and this one seems in good shape to go. I'd expect that by 2023 mid-winter, the damage caused by recent floods would have been cleaned up.
Nomination
Scheduled for February-March 2023. /Yvwv (talk) 19:40, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@Pbsouthwood: Do you think anything important is missing in this article? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:52, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Looks pretty good to me in general. One thing that is missing is what the correct procedure is/should be at mini circles. I think part of the problem with them is that many/most drivers actually don't know what to do and some just assume they have right of way because there is nothing obvious saying that they don't, or because the vehicle ahead did not stop. I approach them as accidents waiting to happen, preferably to someone else. Cheers • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 07:01, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Are mini circles just mini-roundabouts? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 07:52, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Time of feature

I just noticed that this article has been rescheduled for December from Feb–Mar, but I don't exactly agree with this. It usually exceeds well over 35 °C (95 °F), particularly in the provinces closer to Namibia and Botswana (Northern Cape and North West Province). Autumn or spring would be a much better time to feature this, not in the middle of southern summer. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 09:07, 11 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

@Pbsouthwood:, your thoughts on this? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 07:28, 12 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
People drive on the roads all year. I don't see any specific time of year as more relevant than any other. There are more tourists in summer I think, but that probably varies from place to place, and while there are preferred seasons for specific regions and destinations, driving is not restricted to any of them. • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 18:05, 13 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: This is a detailed and helpful article. There were lots of comma splices and other syntactical problems, though, plus some redundancy, and there probably still are some in sections I have not yet read. I've edited through the end of the "Fuel" section. I would like to support a feature, but I will have to have the time and inclination to edit the rest of the article before I give it my full approval. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:12, 12 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Gävle
Blurb: Joe Hill's hometown is the gateway to northern Sweden, famous for Sweden's largest rail museum, and a Christmas market with a giant Yule Goat. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Great weather and outdoor events June to August. The notorious Christmas goat is inaugurated in late November, and Gävle is one of few large Swedish cities to usually have snow in December.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 18:50, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Has improved during 2021. While Gävle is decently sized and has many interesting venues, it does not seem heavyweight enough for DoTM.
Nomination
It is true that we should be a bit prospective. Banteay Chhmar is not good to go, so we could run Gävle in November. /Yvwv (talk) 08:30, 9 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Added two ski facilities. Gävle usually gets the first snow in early December, so there will be some chances for winter sport. The ice hockey season will be ongoing, though the horse races close down for winter. /Yvwv (talk) 13:29, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Close I just added an Understand section, that even the smallest articles should have. And that section should have a couple of paragraphs of Gävle. A pic or two towards the end, and in the lead could be added and a few listings need coordinates. --Ypsilon (talk) 15:32, 11 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Added history and climate. How extensively should we mention the traditional arson attacks on the goat? /Yvwv (talk) 15:04, 14 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Looking good. Perhaps a few more lines (in its listing or in Understand), given that the goat is mentioned in the blurb, but not more than that. --Ypsilon (talk) 15:14, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'm otherwise neutral but I think we're now starting to have too many articles nominated that are to be run during an event or anniversary so I'd prefer Gävle because of that (also it's nice to have a "real winter article" every now and then, we haven't had that many of those). --Ypsilon (talk) 15:54, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Featuring a holiday-related article at the end of the year would be a good concept, be it for Christmas, Gregorian New Year, Chinese New Year, or Thanksgiving. There are just a handful of those destinations (Bethlehem and Rovaniemi can be considered), so we can save Gävle for 2022 and run Plymouth in 2021. /Yvwv (talk) 14:02, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Gävle is an underrated summer destination, with Furuvik, white nights, and great outdoors within walking distance. They will stage Atlas Rock on 4 June, and Gefle Metal Festival in July. As a winter resort it is mediocre compared to many other Nordic towns. /Yvwv (talk) 23:37, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Scheduled. Have added a few summer-related venues. White nights, Midsummer and rock music give a more gratifying experience than the goat and darkness from 3 pm. /Yvwv (talk) 14:05, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
On hold, replaced by Deventer, which has stronger support. I would love to see Gävle featured for May, June or July, but these slots tend to get filled by other Nordic destinations. /Yvwv (talk) 00:08, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Scheduled for Christmas 2022. /Yvwv (talk) 23:44, 28 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Needs work as this page looks only middle-grade usable, too many entries are out-of-date or scrappy. A day or two's work should fix it. Right, I'm on the case. Grahamsands (talk) 10:23, 18 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, done, that's more like it. "Failed to notice some minor glitches", they said. Grahamsands (talk) 22:09, 20 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Outcome: otbp for Dec 2022. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 05:07, 11 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Vatican City
Blurb: The world's smallest country is the headquarters of the Roman Catholic Church, and has an impressive art collection. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Should be avoided at summer. April includes Easter and good weather. Winter is a good time to avoid crowds.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 01:39, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Well-known destination which was slushed in 2017 but has improved a lot since then. One of few relevant destinations for Easter travel.
Nomination
  • Close. Some formatting fixes needed, but that can be resolved later, and the translation tag? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:41, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, pending checks on which listed establishments are still in business, as usual. I haven't been voting here for a while because I'm very ambivalent about travel, given its carbon footprint, and we're also still in a pandemic, but I recently reread and did some edits on this article, and I think it's good and covers a destination that will always attract visitors as long as there are human beings and things to see and do there. We have to hope that'll be a long time... Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:45, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
On hold as Turin is scheduled for May. Can be considered for Christmas 2022 or Easter 2023, as we don't have many destinations with worldwide relevance for these holidays. /Yvwv (talk) 21:16, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have some concern with its categorization (being placed as a "district" of Rome instead of treating it as an official country). Yes I know it's the smallest country in the world, but we don't give the same treatment to Monaco or San Marino which are also tiny countries in Europe. OhanaUnitedTalk page 03:29, 18 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The thing is, would you ever visit the Vatican without visiting Rome? San Marino and Monaco are a bit different as they're not fully surrounded by another city on all four corners. OTOH, I was also first confused when I first saw the categorisation too, and I have a feeling most of our readers will too. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:35, 18 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I remain unconvinced. Going by geography hierarchy, it's country -> region -> city -> district. Vatican is small enough that it doesn't need region, city or district. But putting it as a district of Rome (and not even giving it a city status) seems like a large deviation from the hiearchy. I'm marking it as not yet OhanaUnitedTalk page 20:49, 18 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Have you ever visited the Vatican? It is not its own city. Listen, if tomorrow, my block in Manhattan were declared an independent state, would it suddenly no longer be part of New York City? Ikan Kekek (talk) 22:28, 18 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I have not visited Vatican. Vatican is and will remain an independent state. Your block in Manhattan will not. So please don't apply strawman argument here. OhanaUnitedTalk page 19:59, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It's not a straw man. The Vatican was the small part of Rome that the Pope was allowed to maintain authority over in a concession by newly unified Italy that they made in order to achieve the withdrawal of French troops from Rome. It's hugely important, but it's simply part of Rome, and don't forget that the traveller comes first on this site, not whether a neighborhood in a particular city is officially treated as an independent country or not. By your standards, we should be using only official districts in our breadcrumb navigation and never including suburbs in any city article - not to mention, always using official names of places - but we do in instances in which that best serves the traveler. Go and visit the Vatican some time and see for yourself how it's just part of Rome. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:27, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Ikan in that I don't see how it's unreasonable, from a practical perspective, to classify the Vatican as part of Rome. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 23:21, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Even have a look at San Marino. It's a country, but breadcrumbed under Italy. Why? Because you have no choice but to enter thru Italy. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:24, 24 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The geographic hierarchy of Europe is always under discussion at Talk:Europe/Hierarchy. Southwestern Europe is a proposed continental section which would include the whole Italian peninsula. We can hopefully settle this issue before the article gets featured. /Yvwv (talk) 13:41, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
And what about Andorra? Other than a few rich guys chartering a helicopter, the rest of us have to go through either Spain or France to get in. Yet it's breadcrumbed under Iberia. Same for Liechtenstein. You have to go through either Switzerland or Australia to get there but it's listed under Central Europe. Monaco has access to water but its land is completely surrounded by Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur in France, yet it's not listed as a district/city of Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur. Going back to Vatican. As AlasdairW pointed out, this looked like a Rome/Vatican district nomination, yet the proposed blurb is pitching it as a country. Add the breadcrumb issue to the mix and this blurred line led to all sorts of confusion. I agree with Yvwv that this should be settled first. OhanaUnitedTalk page 21:21, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Andorra is a difference case since you can enter through both France and Spain. Monaco as you said, has access to water, but San Marino is still categorised as a part of Italy given it's surrounded by Italy on every side. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:35, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I haven't been to San Marino, but I have visited Monaco, and while it's definitely on the Cote d'Azur, it is at least a city in a somewhat recognizably geographically discrete area (Le Roque and the city down below). If people want to breadcrumb it to Provence-Alpes-Côte d'Azur, that's OK with me. But when you're talking about the Vatican, even ignoring the fact that the article also covers areas not under the control of the Pope, it's just part of Rome, and you can't even stay there, with few exceptions. To me, the argument to breadcrumb Monaco to France is a much stronger argument than treating the Vatican as separate from Rome. For a traveler, it is part of Rome, period. In terms of the other more or less small landlocked countries in Europe that are being discussed, it would make no sense to treat Andorra as part of either France or Spain because it is between the two, and the situation for Liechtenstein is analogous. In terms of selling the Vatican as the world's smallest country somehow confusing people because the article is breadcrumbed to Rome, that seems like a nonexistent problem. It is both a country and part of Rome, and that's one of the things that makes it unique. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:32, 13 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Nearly The article is about both the Vatican and the Borgo and Prati districts of Rome. Although this is stated at the top of the article, it maybe could be clearer and the blurb could also be clear that the article we are featuring is Vatican++. All the eat and sleep listings are actually in Rome. This is correctly a district of Rome. There are a few dead links in the article, and few of the listings have recently been updated. AlasdairW (talk) 18:00, 20 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Not a copyvio according to Earwig's. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:22, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Scheduled provisionally for Christmas 2022. Easter could be considered, but might be too crowded for visitors who are not devout Catholics. /Yvwv (talk) 13:19, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Outcome: dotm for December 2022; if anyone wants to discuss the categorisation, this should be done after this comes off the main page, and is a discussion for Talk:Rome/Vatican. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 10:05, 1 December 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Georgian cuisine
Blurb: The cuisine of Georgia has drawn influences from the Silk Road, and is famous abroad for its quality. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: August to October is the main harvest season, and has comfortable weather across the country. We could make it customary to run a cuisine article for northern autumn.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 00:55, 5 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: A near-star article. We have had very few features from the Caucasus. While German cuisine is nominated, Germany is already well-represented in the schedule. We can save the German food for 2023.
Nomination
Scheduled for August. German cuisine is on hold for another time. /Yvwv (talk) 15:02, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Perfect! Roovinn (talk) 03:31, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Outcome: ftt for Nov 2022. Vidimian (talk) 12:34, 23 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Cooch Behar
Blurb: The capital of the Koch Kingdom and the only planned city in North Bengal, near the border with Bangladesh. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Nov-Dec for Rash Mela. November to March to avoid the monsoon.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 16:08, 30 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: With a billion inhabitants, millennia of history and steadily improving infrastructure, India deserves more featured articles. When it comes to DoTM versus OtBP, we have yet to settle on a definition. Cooch Behar has around 100,000 inhabitants, but it has few foreign visitors.
Nomination
  • Support, there is a need for some guides from India and this guide seems quite good as compared to its previous versions. But there must be a clear-cut definition about DoTM and OtBP. 2006nishan178713t@lk 18:01, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Cooch Behar is an interesting town that, despite enjoying a long and esteemed history, is generally overlooked by travelers heading to nearby Darjeeling, Kalimpong, Siliguri and Bhutan. SingyeDzong (talk)
  • Sorry, but I'm going to have to oppose. It recently got districtified unilaterally with no discussion on the talk page. Since it's been districtified, the only thing we could do now is possibly just work on the districts. However, some of the districts are just an outline with no banners made for them yet. Regarding whether it's a dotm or an otbp, I'd say OtBP. India has so many cities over 100k inhabitants, well more than most other countries. There's some other articles about India at guide status and they could possibly be alternatives. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:22, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Discussion is ongoing at Talk:Cooch Behar#Districts. Hopefully we can settle on a good solution for the geographic hierarchy. /Yvwv (talk) 10:03, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Apologies, didn't realise that discussion. But until Cooch Behar is reasonably districtified, it can't go on the main page. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:07, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The districtification issue has been fixed by creating redirects and merging. 2006nishan178713t@lk 14:34, 12 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Even apart from the districts, the formatting isn't great. There's a lot of tdf violations, a lot of listings with no description or addresses. IMO, this looks more like a usable article rather than a guide article. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:27, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
tdf issues have been fixed and I am working on the listing issues. 2006nishan178713t@lk 07:59, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
okay, that's great. I'll be ready to support once you've finished. I do have hopes that this will be featured one day. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:02, 13 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
@SHB2000, template issues have been fixed. 2006nishan178713t@lk 08:23, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, good work as always. It's very close. If I may suggest, creating section headers may be useful separating things like parks, other POIs as it's currently a bit unreadable. I also noticed that there's a lot of places of worship – I'm not sure whether they can all be listed per wv:worship. If not, then some of them can be listed in the #Cope section. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:29, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I will do it soon! I have some lectures to attend now. :) 2006nishan178713t@lk 08:57, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Sure thing. It's turning out really nicely, so nice work :) --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:22, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Some non-significant places of worship have been removed. Created sub-sections in the see section and minor edits. 2006nishan178713t@lk 16:03, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, now Support. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:25, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
👍 2006nishan178713t@lk 02:44, 18 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Scheduled provisionally in Nov/Dec 2022 for Rash Mela. /Yvwv (talk) 14:44, 18 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Cooch Behar district created to describe the district outside the city proper. /Yvwv (talk) 17:10, 25 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Outcome: otbp for Nov 2022. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 09:00, 11 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Singapore/Orchard
Blurb: The main shopping street of Singapore is well known for having an extensive range of malls. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: June-August
Nominated by: SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:00, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: We haven't add many articles from Singapore being featured recently, and this looks a good one. It's been a long time since I've been to Orchard Road, but I cannot see anything missing from when I went there, although I have yet to look in detail.
Nomination
Scheduled provisionally in August. Any specific reason for the timing? In my opinion, we should designate January for destinations which celebrate Chinese/Lunar New Year, in particular places with favourable weather. Is Singapore too rainy during northern winter? /Yvwv (talk) 20:25, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Possibly, but would also defer to The dog2 on that. My experience there was that it rains nearly most afternoons, but I went there during spring. I would prefer June or July for the w:Great Singapore Sale but around Lunar New Year is also fine with me. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 20:29, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
As most of south, southeast and east Asia get the monsoon rains during northern summer, we tend use these slots for destinations in Europe and North America instead. Singapore seems to be among the exceptions, with more rain in November to January, so for geographic diversity it would make sense to schedule Singapore during northern summer. Is the GSS planned be held as usual in 2022, given the pandemic situation? /Yvwv (talk) 21:00, 25 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The southeastern coast of Southeast Asia from southern Thailand all the way down to Singapore have their monsoon season in November-January, which is why the dive sites off the east coast of Peninsular Malaysia are closed in those months, because the sea just becomes too choppy. But what you said is true of places like Penang, Bangkok and Ho Chi Minh City, where the dry season is during the northern winter, and in the case of the latter two, also coincides with their winter, meaning the temperatures are not so hot.
As for festivals, while you can of course go to Orchard Road for Chinese New Year (and locals still go to Orchard Road for their Chinese New Year shopping), in reality Chinatown is where you should go if you really want to soak up the festive atmosphere. Orchard Road's street decorations are mainly Christmas-themed, and if I'm not wrong, they have in recent years also added a Menorah for Hanukkah at the request of the local rabbi. It is in Chinatown where you can see street decorations with the Chinese New Year theme, and likewise, for Deepavali (Diwali), you go to Little India for that, and for Hari Raya Puasa (Eid al-Fitr), you go to Geylang Serai for that.
So if you're talking about an appropriate time to visit Singapore if you specifically want to see Orchard Road at its best, I'd say it would be December, when all the Christmas decorations are up. It is during the monsoon, but all the major shopping malls are linked underground, so it is quite easy to find shelter whenever it rains. And in any case, the rains tend to be brief, though intense, so you can always wait inside one of the shopping centres for the rain to stop before heading out. The dog2 (talk) 02:02, 26 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Scheduled provisionally again for November 2022, as suggested under #Newfoundland and Labrador. /Yvwv (talk) 14:43, 18 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Outcome: dotm for Nov 2022. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 23:42, 1 November 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Hamad International Airport
Blurb: Visiting Qatar for the FIFA world cup? Here's a quick guide on getting around Qatar's prime airport. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: October 2022 for FIFA world cup
Nominated by: SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:37, 26 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I'm no fan of soccer and I know I'm a bit late to nominate this, but after seeing what the Italian Wikivoyage did, I also wanted to nominate Doha for the FIFA world cup. However, it has already been featured, and otherwise this currently unfeatured article could replace Land Trail on Mount Ucka, which has some MoS issues. Indira Gandhi International Airport should ideally be pushed back further so it's not featured so close to Cooch Behar.

As for the article itself, it looks good to me. I last visited Hamad Int'l Airport on transit in 2017 and I cannot see anything missing, but I was only there for two hours.
Nomination
Let's not base our decision on politics here. I can also list human rights abuses by Western countries (the invasion of Iraq, anyone?) if we really want to get into that, and that will disqualify all countries from being listed since all countries have blood on their hands in one way or another. Let's just consider things from a purely practical travel perspective here. That said, I don't know if we should feature airport articles. These are there to help travellers in transit or waiting to fly, but they are not usually destinations in and of themselves. People use airports to get to a place, then go sightseeing elsewhere. The dog2 (talk) 03:18, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I don't see that a category of articles should be excluded from a feature, although I definitely understand your argument. Human rights are a difficult issue. If a large number of foreigners are essentially enslaved somewhere, is that an issue for travelers, such that we should hesitate to feature an article? How about when a lot of visitors are treated nastily or worse at border crossings and airports, as in the U.S.? I don't know what standard we should have, but I'm not comfortable with saying that human rights abuses that can affect visitors should never be considered a factor in whether we feature an article or not. At the very least, we should be careful to include clear warnings in the relevant articles. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:26, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
A further thought, though: Big airports are often used for transit, so we shouldn't assume everyone who goes to this airport is even visiting Qatar, not that there's anything wrong with that. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:28, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
If there are major issues with the rights of foreign workers then yes, we should mention that. After all, we also want to serve people looking to move abroad to work. I've heard rumors that if a female foreign domestic worker in Dubai gets raped by her boss who is a UAE citizen, she has no legal recourse whatsoever even though it is of course illegal on paper. I don't know if that is just an exaggeration but if it is known that it's true, then yes, things like that should be covered. The dog2 (talk) 14:25, 18 July 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Scheduled for Oct-Nov 2022. /Yvwv (talk) 09:39, 30 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Savaii
Blurb: Samoa's largest island is known for caves, lava fields and waterfalls. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: May to October to avoid rain. The island has few public events.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 13:24, 12 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: We have no current nominees from the Pacific Islands. Apia featured in August 2020, and it has been customary to have at least 24 months between neighbouring featured articles. The article could need a more inspiring intro.
Nomination
I'm on it – I'll do this in the next week or two. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:40, 27 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Coordinates added as above. Please evaluate. /Yvwv (talk) 16:07, 15 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Oops. Forgot to change my vote when I added coords; now that it's been done, I support featuring this. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta) 02:22, 16 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Arches National Park
Blurb: Containing one of the world's highest concentration of Arches, the park has become one of the state icons of Utah. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: During autumn or spring (northern)
Nominated by: SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:47, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: We have not have a park article from North America being featured for some time. I went here a few years back and everything here seems up-to-date.
Nomination
  • Support as nominator. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:47, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Is it OTBP or DOTM according to w:List of national parks of the United States it gets 1.8 millin visitors a year which puts around the top 15 most visited parks in the USA. Tai123.123 (talk) 02:37, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I've known this park for a long time and I did eventually get around to visiting it on my last trip to Utah, but I am going to say OtBP. I was even thinking on whether it should be a dotm or otbp for a while, before I finalized my decision on otbp. The US NPS promotes their national parks so much, to the point where most people around the world know the most parks in the US but barely any outside it. If I really had to make a list of US national parks that could make it to dotm, here's what I'd think:
    • Yosemite NP*
    • Yellowstone NP
    • Death Valley NP*
    • Grand Canyon NP
    • Olympic NP
    • Zion NP*
    • Golden Gate NRA
    • Hawaii Volcanoes NP
    • Mount Rushmore NM
    Note that a * means it has already been featured
    These are probably a borderline:
    • Arches NP
    • Glacier NP
    • Everglades NP
    • Glacier NP
    • Great Smokey Mountains NP
    That too is quite a lot for a single country. Also, it's worth noting that visitor numbers don't necessarily correlate with fame – Uluru-Kata Tjuta NP in the centre of Australia is pretty much known worldwide, but it does not get as many visitors due to its isolation. As the US gets a lot of domestic tourism, it gets a lot of visitor numbers.
    As another example, that I could give is Fiordland National Park, which is one of New Zealand's finest parks and most international visitors pay a visit to the park. However, as New Zealand only as 5 million inhabitants, the visitor numbers are way lower. Banff or Jasper in Canada would be a similar case, if Canada did not have a land border with the United States and both would qualify for a dotm.
    So ultimately, it should be an otbp. Visitor numbers don't exactly represent how well-known it is, which is what is needed to be a dotm and if we feature this as a dotm, we will then have to feature the other three national parks in Utah as dotms, which then we'll fall into the loophole of featuring every single national park well-known to people from a certain regions as dotms. Let's not fall into that pitfall. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:04, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'd say noplace with 1.8 million visitors is "off the beaten path." DotM. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:30, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Per the comment at the very top: "Well-known and/or popular destinations should be nominated as Destination of the Month, while more obscure destinations should be nominated for Off the Beaten Path" – I don't think Arches NP is well known outside the US. If that's the case, then should we feature Acadia National Park as a dotm? It received 4,069,098 visitors in 2021, but hardly anyone outside the US (and maybe Canada) knows that park – and it's not well-known. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:03, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    If a park gets more than 1.5 million visitors its definitely a popular destination and therefore DOTM. Some former Japanese DOTMS like Hamamatsu and Okayama aren't known very well outside of Japan but due to their popularity with domestic (and size) they were DOTM rather than OTBP. Tai123.123 (talk) 06:21, 19 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Around the World in Eighty Days
Blurb: Jules Verne's 1872 novel gave travellers a demanding but possible challenge. 150 years later, circumnavigating the planet in 80 days without flying, is still not easy. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: The plot in the book begins on 2 October 1872. Sept-Oct 2022 is the 150th anniversary.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 12:07, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Non-flight journeys are in vogue again, and this article has most of the essentials. Nominating early to make the anniversary date.
Nomination
Made it the other way around. The summary of the book is italicized. We could add more details about the real-life recreations (at least Nellie Bly's journey) and the movie adaptations. /Yvwv (talk) 14:26, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, though not sure about safety considerations. Regardless this looks like an entertaining article to feature on the anniversary. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 16:29, 2 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: "In particular, the main transcontinental line no longer passes through Wyoming (which has been left without passenger railroads altogether), instead having been routed further south through Denver, Colorado. This means that you will have to hitchhike on a freight train for the leg between Salt Lake City and Omaha if you want to replicate the route taken by Fogg." Is that possible, safe and legal? Otherwise, I think it's a good article and worth a feature, though the linked Freighter travel would benefit from having some examples of prices as of November 2021. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:44, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Budderoo National Park
Blurb: Australia isn't particularly known for its rainforests, but this small national park in the Illawarra south of Sydney may make you reconsider that. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Late Mar-Oct except Jul
Nominated by: SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:55, 21 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I have always wanted to nominate an Australian rainforest to be an otbp and before yesterday, Dorrigo National Park was the only guide Australian rainforest park. Unfortunately, that article needs a lot of updates, and I don't think I can do the 600km trip given the current Covid situation, so here's a new article, but up to date and a 150km trip down here can be done easily (can do that in the upcoming few days). Given we usually feature one national park every year and we haven't picked a national park yet, thought this might be a good one.
Nomination

Place: Dresden
Blurb: The capital of Saxony once suffered catastrophic damage from Allied bombing in 1945, today it stands as a charming, relaxed and in many ways a beautiful city and a relaxing destination. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Not sure tbh
Nominated by: SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 08:55, 18 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I'm kind of surprised this has yet to be featured, but there's always a start for everything. Can't see anything missing here.
Nomination
Scheduled provisionally for October. Could be a bit chilly though, and not sure about festivals or events. /Yvwv (talk) 21:28, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I visited Dresden about 15 years ago, and the article looks good. I have done some updates, but it is hard to check all the details at the moment as many places are impacted by current restrictions. AlasdairW (talk) 17:59, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Rescheduled in September for milder weather. /Yvwv (talk) 10:27, 25 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Istanbul to Izmir
Blurb: Looking on how getting to and from between Turkey's largest and third largest cities? Here's a quick guide on how to. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature:
Nominated by: SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 09:45, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: From vfd to ftt, this is one of the site's most developed itineraries with geolines. Not sure about timing. The article may need a little bit of copyediting, but that's about it.
Nomination
  • Support as nominator. --09:45, 22 April 2022 (UTC)
  • Support. I can't think of anything significant omitted from the article. Proofreading for the language used, or other quirks which might have escaped from my pair of eyes would be much appreciated indeed. As for the timing, I'd say the best times to do the route is Apr-Jun and Sep-Oct, but many who actually travel it down do so for the summer holidays, so that gives us a span of more than half a year. Vidimian (talk) 09:55, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
One thing that I feel I have to mention being omitted is the imperial units in distances. I left them out on purpose, because most distances are in the "directions" parameter of the listings, which lead to them being in paranthesis, and using Template:km would result in paranthesis within paranthesis. If anyone feels like they should be added though, I would be happy to oblige. Vidimian (talk) 14:50, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • I'm happy to support this itinerary that I helped to rescue from deletion, and the wonderful work Vidimian has done on it. I plan to look through it and probably do more copyediting when I am healthier (I've had COVID since Sunday night, though I've been improving in the last 3 days), but that's not a reason not to support. Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:17, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The schedule is overloaded with food and drink topics. Could we run this article in November/December instead of German cuisine? /Yvwv (talk) 14:34, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Of course there are business travellers following this route any time of the year, but for leisure Nov/Dec is too late (I think insofar as possible we've always tried featuring articles during the part of the year the places they are associated with are most suitable to travel). I'd think early boreal spring, for which we usually have had a shortage of suitable articles to feature (particularly in the past), is fine.
Get well soon, Ikan! Vidimian (talk) 14:44, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. I was able to walk down a flight of stairs to get mail today, a big milestone. Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:13, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Best wishes. We could run this article in Aug-Sept and Georgian cuisine in Nov-Dec, as many fruits are in season by then, and many parts of Georgia are more pleasant in late autumn than summer. We can save German cuisine for the Oktoberfest in 2023. /Yvwv (talk) 23:12, 22 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Hey Ikan, firstly, hope you have a speedy recovery. Having been infected with Covid a few weeks ago, I can understand how that feels. To German cuisine, if Yvwv thinks that Oktoberfest is a better time to feature Deutsch cuisine, then we may as well hold it for Oktoberfest next year. It would mean we're not featuring Dresden and German cuisine too close to each other. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:16, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you. I'm sorry you had it. My feeling is that anytime is a good time to feature German cuisine. Oktoberfest is about excessive beer drinking, and a lot of the Müchners I spoke with loathe it for the influx of huge crowds of out-of-control drunk tourists, maybe something like the way we New Yorkers loathe New Year's Eve at Times Square and steer well clear of it, but worse, so I really question whether we would want to time anything German with Oktoberfest except an article about beer. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:49, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for your message. re Oktoberfest, I don't know too much about Oktoberfest, so I'd defer to you and Yvwv. My experience in Germany is fairly limited outside a few days in Berlin but if it attracts a swathe of out-of-control drunk tourists, then not sure whether Oktober is a good time to feature it. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:08, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I'm glad to see that this has very much improved since I nominated it for VFD, one of the best itineraries I've read. Tai123.123 (talk) 03:46, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Scheduled for August to September. Featuring four itineraries in a row could be seen as a diversity problem. However, they are very different in locations and themes. /Yvwv (talk) 10:48, 23 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Needs work though mostly on the supporting destination pages. Main issues:
- out of date, eg the Dardanelles bridge opening has knock on for travel routes which are still playing out;
- some weak destination pages especially eastern routes, we need these for detail of transport, accommodation, POIs etc;
- overlap and duplication, the western route is described on five or six pages. Along the Troad Coast is a subset of this itinerary and my suggestion is to merge it here. Grahamsands (talk) 20:37, 6 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
My thoughts:
  • The Dardanelles Bridge: "By car" has a mention of it, specifically recommends not using it (together with the reasoning), but without leaving those who decide to give it a go out in the cold. I think the bridge opening has little implication on the "By bus" section as it is (although I am very much open to hear arguments to the contrary, and to develop this and other possibly relevant articles accordingly).
  • The eastern route articles: Would be great to have the articles linked from this one in a better shape (I would be only happy to join in an effort towards that goal but having not visited many of the locations myself, my help would be limited), and the current state of some of them may reduce the actual usability of this one, but a total hindrance thereof? I guess not. And given that the destination articles aren't hierarchically connected with this one (cf. huge cities and the district articles beneath), I think that shouldn't prevent this article from being featured.
  • Overlap in the western route: I assume you mean the "Get in" sections of various articles linked from this one. I think there is no harm in providing the relevant information to someone just driving from Istanbul straight to Gelibolu, Çanakkale or wherever and to another looking for a leisurely multiday drive at where they are most likely to look for that piece of information without clicking back and forth between the articles.
  • Along the Troad Coast: I don't agree with merging, because:
    • The two itineraries are on different levels of scale and prominency: The Troad itinerary covers a much narrower geography in a much greater detail.
    • Troad is an independent itinerary; many who travel it do not set the ends of their trip at Istanbul or Izmir (but many others do). I myself have done that route repeatedly, without setting foot at either city in close succession. One of those was by hitchhiking: I hitched a ride from a couple who were driving from Istanbul to Assos as the final destination, just after (or before, I can't remember) getting a lift from another couple who were from Łódź (and were horrified by my pronounciation of their hometown's name), coming in from Greece and heading simply anywhere south.
    • It is an alternative side trip to this one. The main route of this nominated itinerary, as described in its map and text, goes down the inland highway, and there is no obligation to stray away from it. The three suggested destinations here in common with the Troad itinerary (Troy, Bozcaada, and Assos) can be easily visited without covering the full length of that route, by branching off the highway and then retracing back (or can be skipped singularly or in combinations just as easily).
Vidimian (talk) 01:46, 7 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]
As what I have in mind needn't affect the nomination, I've started a thread on the Ist-Iz page. Probably simpler to post examples of what I'm thinking. Grahamsands (talk) 15:10, 24 May 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Deventer
Blurb: One of the Netherlands' oldest cities, with loads of character to show for it. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Northern summer, July, September or December for notable events.
Nominated by: Wauteurz (talk) 14:46, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Previously requested by @Yvwv, but speedily slushed for not being a guide article. Yvwv's reason for nomination was to fill a lack in featured Benelux articles. The article's been expanded upon and officially made guide status (per Talk:Deventer#Guide status?), so the previously existing issues should now have been addressed.
Nomination
  • Support as nominator. -- Wauteurz (talk) 14:46, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Good, well-written article in good shape and an interesting-sounding destination. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:40, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Close some descriptions needed for some of the sleep listings. Otherwise, it's a great and interesting read. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 21:31, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I haven't stayed in many hotels myself, so my descriptions might not be the best, but you may consider this done. -- Wauteurz (talk) 23:51, 27 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    Thanks for adding them :-) I now Support. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:12, 28 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support following recent improvement. This article is superior to Gävle, and could run for August 2022. Gävle would fit better for early summer, with white nights, Midsummer and festivals. /Yvwv (talk) 16:28, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
    I know I suggested August myself, but I should have thought about it for more than two seconds. The book market takes place in August, but on the 7th. Seen as how the August slot starts on the 11th, that's kind of wasted. There isn't a lot of things during the August timeslot that would be big enough to be worthwhile. I am not sure how much anything can be shuffled, but actual slots that would line up with events would be:
    • July for the book market;
    • September for "Open Monumentendag" (national event; monumental buildings open their doors to the public during the weekend, which is likely to include a lot of places in Deventer) and the Deventer Bock Beer Festival (relatively new event, but still very popular);
    • December for the Dickens Festival and Christmas markets.
    I'm not saying that August isn't doable, just that there's better alternatives. I'll edit the Time to feature in the nomination as well. Wauteurz (talk) 20:59, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
July is probably not the best time to feature it given that Farnborough is scheduled then (for the airshow). December is probably a good time as this has more votes than Punta Arenas. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:32, 29 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
The 2022 Dickens Festival is planned for 10 and 11 December. It makes sense to pick a featured period so that a public event happens at the end. That would make the Nov/Dec slot suitable for Deventer. However, Cooch Behar is lined up for the Rash Mela festival in Nov/Dec. We should wait and see. /Yvwv (talk) 19:10, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Scheduled for Aug/Sept, as Open Monumentendag is on 10/11 Sept, at the end of the slot. Replaces Gävle. /Yvwv (talk) 00:06, 15 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Schedule for May/June? Ingolstadt is not really good to go. Gävle is good to go, but should not feature with the neighbouring Archipelago Trail. /Yvwv (talk) 13:54, 25 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Outcome: otbp for Aug 2022. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 00:05, 11 August 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Newfoundland and Labrador
Blurb: One of Canada's Atlantic provinces, Newfoundland and Labrador is known for its great open vast wilderness and fishing communities. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Northern summer
Nominated by: SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:58, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Canada deserves more features, especially given that its the world's second largest country in size. This one is in good shape and looks good to go. I would like it to be featured in 2022 replacing Singapore/Orchard and moving Orchard Road to Christmas. Hopefully, this will increase our geographic variety for this coming northern summer/southern winter. As for the timing, is August a good time to visit NL? Pinging our Canadians @Ground Zero, Pashley, OhanaUnited: --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:27, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Nomination
The August slot overlaps with Wine Regions of Ontario. While both deserve to be featured, we should avoid to have simultaneous features from the same country. We could switch Wine Regions of Ontario with Ohio State Parks. /Yvwv (talk) 14:12, 14 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I've switched it. Also switched Percé as well. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 02:45, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Place: New Golden Route
Blurb: Connecting Tokyo and Kyoto via Northern Chubu, explore one of Japan's popular tourist trails. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Not sure. Will defer to @Tai123.123:
Nominated by: SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:13, 19 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: We haven't had much itineraries from Asia being featured before. Here's one good recently created one.
Nomination
@Tai123.123 I've just upgraded Karuizawa to usable now. Although Magome is going to be featured soon, this is probably only going to be featured sometime late next year or so. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:26, 19 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
As others are fine with it Support! Tai123.123 (talk) 06:25, 7 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: For most destinations along the route, May-June and Sept-Oct seem to have the most comfortable temperature, and not too much rain. Not sure whether Golden Week in Japan is more of an attraction or an obstacle. /Yvwv (talk) 22:20, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. This article continues to develop into one of our best itineraries. It is concise, which is convenient for the traveler, and all included information is useful for travel. Although in my past I objected to this article's promotion to guide status, now I support it and its FTT nomination due to how it has been written and developed. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 00:24, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Scheduled for July/August 2022, as we have few other Asian features, and northern summer gets filled up by European, US and Canadian destinations. If weather is too hot, we can consider another month. /Yvwv (talk) 22:06, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That's fine, Thanks! Tai123.123 (talk) 06:26, 7 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Farnborough
Blurb: Famous for its air show, there are many more aviation attractions in the English town where the French imperial family rests in peace (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Star (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Preferably July 2022 for the next air show
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 15:21, 20 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: What can I say, it's a star article so it definitely deserves a month on the Main Page.
Nomination
Scheduled. The air show takes place on 18 to 22 July. Not sure whether to schedule during 11 June to 10 July well before the show, or 11 July to 10 July, during which the air show takes place. We should consider to loosen up the time slots to line them up for special events; featuring this article from 21 June to 20 July would be perfect. See talk page. /Yvwv (talk) 13:57, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Queensland
Blurb: Australia's second largest state is home to world famous natural wonders, such as the Great Barrier Reef, the Daintree Rainforest, the Whitsunday Islands along with many of its pristine white beaches. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Sometime in the southern winter (around April/May to October)
Nominated by: SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 03:41, 15 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Just like Canada, Australia also probably deserves more features being of a size of the contiguous 48. As we have had zero state features from Australia, this one is in a somewhat good shape to be featured. Some of the #Other destinations need some work, and it needs a better history section, but I'm willing to do that in the next couple of days.
Nomination
I expanded the understand section although. Although Queensland is larger than both Quebec and Alaska, one of them have a longer history section. So I'm changing my vote to very close. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:13, 16 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I think I've finished what I've wanted to do for this article, so I now support as nominator. Willing to do changes as necessary. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:37, 24 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
We have featured Wales, but we have yet to settle on formal criteria for featuring state-level regions. /Yvwv (talk) 14:01, 25 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Banners nominated at /Banners#Queensland. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:20, 30 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Wine regions of Ontario
Blurb: Ontario is often assumed that it's too cold to produce wine, but it does produce a wide range of cool climate wines, and the internationally-recognized ice wine. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Sept-OctMay-Oct
Nominated by: SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:00, 19 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Stumbled across this in Special:RandomPage, and I thought why not?
Nomination
Given that Ground Zero has added more images, I'm well and ready to fully support. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 13:06, 20 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
July is hot in Ontario by Canadian standards (30-35 °C), which would not phase an Australian. It wouldn't prevent wine touring. Ground Zero (talk) 22:26, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Probably just where I live, but it's usually around 25 ish where I live, but that's because I live by a river that flows into Sydney Harbor. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:20, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
All wineries are now markered. Ground Zero (talk) 13:12, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support per previous comment. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 00:22, 2 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]


Place: Homer
Blurb: The Halibut Fishing Capital of the World is the western end of the American highway system, and has an astounding view of Alaska's southern coast. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Northern summer has the most comfortable climate. But we hardly have any winter resorts scheduled, so maybe winter 2022/2023?
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 17:56, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: We have yet to feature an article from Alaska.
Nomination
Scheduled provisionally for May, replacing Ștefănești. A good time to escape the rainy springs of the lower 48. /Yvwv (talk) 21:15, 11 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Outcome: otbp for June 2022. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:44, 11 June 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Dublin
Blurb: Ireland's capital is a friendly, cosmopolitan city with the best of the country's music and nightlife, with Bloomsday celebrated on 16 June. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Northern summer for weather, or March for St. Patrick's Day
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 15:25, 5 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Might need districts and a climate graph. We have no scheduled articles for Ireland.
Nomination
Scheduled provisionally in June for Bloomsday. /Yvwv (talk) 02:49, 6 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, the page is well-developed, and of all the Irish destinations this must be lead contender. Also as a big city it's more covid-resilient, with chain businesses that can ride out the slump - small places in the countryside have been much worse blighted. It's a year-round destination but Bloomsday is a good hook. Yvwv, the climate graph is there as an xref to the County, and districtification IMO would not be beneficial. One problem remains the sub-page for University College Dublin (UCD) Bellfield campus. The issues raised on that Talk page haven't been resolved. Grahamsands (talk) 11:36, 12 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support It could be improved by adding more lat/longs to sleep listings, and the see listings should be checked nearer the time to update with any temporary measures, like advance bookings being required. The University College Dublin issue has been fixed - the page is now Booterstown. AlasdairW (talk) 23:43, 20 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Archipelago Trail
Blurb: Finland's Archipelago Sea is one of the world's largest, by count of islands and islets. While boat is a natural way to get around, many pretty villages and scenic views can be visited by bike or car. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: "ideally May-Jun"
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 18:13, 12 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: The trail has become popular over the last years, as many people have traveled domestically instead of going abroad due to the pandemic. But LPfi has worked on the article and ones for the islands and towns it goes through for much longer than that, and it's really about time to feature it on the Main Page to show that great work.
Nomination

Place: Percé
Blurb: This touristy town at the tip of the Gaspé Peninsula features a truly awesome arch-shaped offshore rock formation, among other attractions. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: June-September
Nominated by: Tai123.123 (talk) 21:48, 10 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I was looking through the slush pile and found this great article when it was nominated in 2015 it was slushed as the now-inactive Andre Carrotflower planned to nominate the entire Gaspé Peninsula instead, as the peninsula is still only usable status and can't be featured should this be featured instead, in the 2015 discussion Carrotflower stated he would support the feature if things didn't pan out with the peninsula, should I @ Carrotflower to double check he's fine with it.
Nomination
I now support as GZ has fixed the clock issue. I tried to do that, but I gave up. Looks good to go on the main page. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 20:54, 18 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
There are also formatting issues as well, since the 24 hour clock should be used for Quebec articles, but I'll fix that. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:25, 12 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Times adjusted for 24-hour clock. Climate info added. Dead links fixed. Ground Zero (talk) 03:28, 6 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Scheduled provisionally for September 2022. /Yvwv (talk) 21:30, 21 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Turin
Blurb: Turin, with its fine, aristocratic atmosphere, old world sophisticated shops, grand boulevards and palaces, is hosting Eurovision 2022. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: February or May 2022
Nominated by: SelfieCity on 10 October 2021 at 22:52 UTC
Comment: Nominated as a possible winter destination alternative to Venice.
Nomination
Scheduled. We should run either Turin or the Vatican in spring 2022. Turin hosts Eurovision just once, the Vatican will get more chances. /Yvwv (talk) 17:04, 1 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Has the essentials. The history section could be expanded, and more can be said about walking. /Yvwv (talk) 17:19, 22 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Question: How did the above blurb turn into "Turin, the host city of Eurovision 2022, is home to a fine, aristocratic atmosphere, sophisticated shops, grand boulevards and palaces"? Is home to an atmosphere? First of all "is home" is greatly overused in blurbs, but the blurb in this nomination is a much tighter sentence. Can we please use it in the banner? Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:09, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]
I changed it (back?) above. Does that automatically change the wordings in the pagebanners? Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:00, 2 April 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Public transit in Israel
Blurb: What's Rav-Kav and how do you use it? Find the answer to this and other things useful to know to explore Israel by bus and train in this article. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any, but we've usually featured articles from Israel during the colder half of the year in the Northern Hemisphere
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 11:46, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: The article has grown over the years thanks to the contribution of many Wikivoyagers including טבעת-זרם, Danbus43Maalit72, Ar2332, Arseny1992, Hobbit, GZ and many others. So let's feature it! If something important is still missing, I'm sure someone will be able to fill in the missing info.
Nomination
  • Support as nominator. --Ypsilon (talk) 11:46, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as one of the contributors. Although as noted on talk and in a couple of edit summaries, zone maps (fares for mobile app ticketing first distance level, area zoning for Rav-Kav 90-minute transfers, area zoning for Rav-Kav periodic passes) could be embedded on-wiki, but I haven't figured how to properly use map tools. --Arseny1992 (talk) 12:43, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Almost It is a very good article, but as somebody who hasn't been to Israel, I think there are slight gaps. The ticketing system is very usefully covered in great detail, but there less on the actual buses and trains. I am likely to go on a clean 5 year old bus, or a 25 year old grubby one with fraying seat covers? Can buses and trains be reserved, and if so how long in advance? - elsewhere I have found long distance buses fully booked two weeks in advance. How much of the country is served by buses - are there rural areas which are poorly served - maybe a map of the bus network would show this. AlasdairW (talk) 22:26, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I thought it would be on par of WV:OBVIOUS that a modern developed country to have a modern transit fleet, and the guide images have some of these: so you will be on a relatively clean few years old bus (such as the Tel Aviv bus image). The Eilat section has the information on seat reservations and it is pretty much almost the only route where reservations are possible. Trains can not be reserved: if compared to Europe, it works more as a suburban short-distance network rather than long-distance railways, although due to the pandemic they temporarily added "station entry reservations" (pandemic infobox on Israel) which are not compulsory to obtain online with identification and can be "obtained" anonymously at station entrances by saying your destination to the entrance guards - you will be allowed into a station if your train departs in the next 15 minutes. So it is not actually a train reservation but means to prevent crowding and enforce social distancing on stations, and these temporary means aren't going to stay after the pandemic. A map of the bus network is irrelevant because routes can change and such a map would become outdated and face the issues of a "route list" that the guide had a few years ago, therefore it is best to use the information provided in the Understand section. --Arseny1992 (talk) 23:12, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The U.S. does not have a modern and clean public transit fleet. Hobbitschuster (talk) 17:42, 25 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Put on hold? As per talk page, Israel has imposed travel restrictions due to the pandemic. We could consider to put this article on hold. Some other options for the Dec/Jan slot are Sinhala phrasebook and European classical music. /Yvwv (talk) 12:02, 29 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
On hold due to travel ban. We can run the article as soon as Israel receives visitors again. /Yvwv (talk) 10:00, 4 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Scheduled again Nov/Dec 2022, just before Hanukkah and Christmas. /Yvwv (talk) 14:46, 18 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Scheduled for April/May to replace Loop Art Tour. /Yvwv (talk) 12:50, 20 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Alishan
Blurb: Ride the Forest Railway up to Alishan for some beautiful views, local tea and handicrafts of the local red cypress wood. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: I guess Mar-Apr, Oct-Nov. (Northern Hemisphere) winter seems a little cool, and summer extremely wet
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 17:47, 5 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Another suggestion for a slot next spring. Alishan was promoted to guide status in 2007, by Jani, one of the project's main contributors back then so I guess the article should be extensive enough - even if it's a short one. I've recently added some coordinates and checked that the typhoon-damaged train line is up and running again (at least to some extent). Probably a few details still need to be updated (not sure if we should have timetables in our articles as these can get outdated quickly).
Nomination

Place: Melbourne/CBD
Blurb: The urban core of Melbourne, Australia's "cultural capital", is the bustling heart of the city and jam-packed with entertainment, history, hotels, and eateries. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Good question, honestly -- Melbourne's "four seasons in one day" climate make it difficult to pick a season. Can be worked out in discussion?
Nominated by: Vaticidalprophet (talk) 09:27, 1 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Recently upgraded to guide, an article I've done a decent bit of work clearing out and expanding listings on lately, and one of relatively few places currently open to tourism. Plus I can't let you only nominate Sydney ;)
Nomination
That's perhaps a valid reason to edit the blurb, but certainly not a valid reason to oppose the nomination. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 13:47, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Sydneysiders have some sort of rivalry with Melbournians. TravelAroundOz (talk) 20:30, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Be mature. This is seeming worse than the rivalry between Singapore and Kuala Lumpur. You all should stop fighting about this stuff, or at least take it outside Wikivoyage. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:03, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Almost - needs some more photos and geocoordinates. Secondly, as Andre said, this is indeed not a reason to oppose a nomination (see above), moreover this will sit around for quite a while as we won't be running two DotM articles from the same country too close to each other. Ypsilon (talk) 14:38, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Almost A spot check of listings shows that some updating is required. Some See listings are just titles with no description, hours etc. It needs more photos. The banner photo is a skyline from 2005 - have there been major changes?
Melbourne says "Melbourne is the cultural capital of Australia". Leaving aside Sydney / Melbourne rivalry is this far fetched - my view from afar sees Melbourne as a major cultural city? There will have to be a gap of a year or more between featuring Sydney and Melbourne. AlasdairW (talk) 22:20, 3 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'd also love to feature Brisbane, but featuring Sydney and Brisbane in the same year seems more logical than Syd and Mel. TravelAroundOz (talk) 06:01, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
The second paragraph for the Wikipedia article Culture of Melbourne begins "Traditionally acclaimed as Australia's "cultural capital"", and the 'cultural capital' line is frequently also quoted in international tourism, e.g. here, here, here. I'm surprised it's a controversial claim even to a Sydneysider -- the usual ribbing I hear is closer to "you guys are the cultural capital because you don't have the beaches or the landmarks". No major skyline changes I can think of off the top of my head, though I moved here (well after 2005) rather than growing up in the city. Vaticidalprophet (talk) 06:07, 4 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
But times are changing. Like I don't even have to go to China to experience the culture. All here in Chinatown; does Melbourne have that? The answer is no. And Yplipson, Sydney and Melbourne aren't close. TravelAroundOz (talk) 11:36, 5 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
"Like I don't even have to go to China to experience the culture. All here in Chinatown; does Melbourne have that? The answer is no." ??? Vaticidalprophet (talk) 03:47, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
As a Sydneysider, it is fair to call Melbourne the cultural (arts and events) capital. It is definitely the sporting capital. "Entertainment capital" is somewhat broader and may be challenged by other Australian cities. It can be fun to have rivalries but it shouldn't bias your thinking. Gizza (roam) 09:50, 6 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • @Ypsilon:, @AlasdairW: Every listing now has geocoordinates, except this one random coffee shop where for some reason any attempt to google the coordinates spits out something insane in the middle of the ocean -- hopefully that one won't hold it back. I'll see what I can do about photos next time I swing out that way, but I can't guarantee anything usable. Vaticidalprophet (talk) 12:41, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Vaticidalprophet: I've fixed that lat and long.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:10, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Also, I've cleared out a lot of closed listings, but I haven't checked everything in the article (it's a big article!). My checks were also disproportionately the stuff without coordinates (so I could get them), so some closed businesses with them may have slipped under the radar, though I cleared out a few of those too. Vaticidalprophet (talk) 12:44, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Support SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 02:29, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Place: RMS Titanic
Blurb: One of the most notorious shipwrecks ever took place on 15 April 1912. Places that tell the story of the Titanic can be found on both sides of the Atlantic. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: FTT slot of March 2022 to have it on the main page in early April for the 110th anniversaries of the maiden voyage and sinking of the ship
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 20:46, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: One more travel topic of the historical kind. I made some small fixes to the article and promoted it to guide a few months year ago with the intention to nominate it for FTT
Nomination
--> done, rewritten as Industrial History, though the fascination is equally in its social history. It's not an itinerary, but the voyage is a logical sequence for the sites. Now support. Grahamsands (talk) 17:13, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, but it looks like it could use some more copy editing; I just did some. Also, not all of the survivors were elite. A book has just come out about the 8 (IIRC) Chinese survivors of the wreck, who were not allowed to disembark in New York because of the Chinese Exclusion Act and were vilified in the U.S. and Britain as if they should have died so some white woman could have lived. Information about them should be added. There was a recent interview with the author of the book (I think it was a book; maybe it was a documentary film?) on "All of it" on WNYC. Sorry I can't be more definitive about this; my attention was divided, as I was getting ready to leave for the day. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:37, 24 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment No copyvio detected by Ear wig Tai123.123 (talk) 05:53, 23 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Outcome: FTT for March 2022 --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:03, 24 March 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Magome
Blurb: As a post-town between Tokyo and Kyoto, Magome flourished as a rest point for travellers, now it's been restored to maintain its old charm. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: It's beautiful at all times but I feel spring or winter is probably best, should we wait till Japan opens up to foreign visitors?
Nominated by: Tai123.123 (talk) 03:13, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Out of all the articles I've worked on I feel this is the best page I've made. I know I'm still new here and it may not adhere to the Manual of Style perfectly and I'd really like you guys to point out its flaws
Nomination
@SHB2000 Could you make those changes soon as it's now one the schedule for March Tai123.123 (talk) 01:05, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Tai123.123: Yes Done On another note, if possible, could you do the phone numbers since I'm not sure how its meant to be formatted for Japan. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:43, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you so much! What’s wrong with the phone numbers, they have all have country code attached Tai123.123 (talk) 06:20, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Tai123.123: Nothing wrong with the country code, it's just that some of them have +81 57369XXXX while others have the +81 573-69-XXXX format. I'm not sure which one is more commonly seen, so that's why I haven't touched that. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:46, 30 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@SHB2000 I standardized them with hyphens, is the article fine to run now? Tai123.123 (talk) 05:04, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah looks good to run now. It seems we don't have a fixed style guide on how phone numbers should be formatted on WV:Phone (all that page has for Japan is five different formats without telling which to use for which), so if possible, could you somewhat fix up those (to something similarly seen on Talk:Thailand.) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:41, 31 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Also, if it's next winter or spring, would July-October be a good time to feature this article? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:07, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Yeah, Japan gets hot during summer so fall is also good Tai123.123 (talk) 04:12, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Oops. I was thinking of a southern hemisphere winter. So maybe November to May? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 04:15, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
March and april is cherry blossom seaason, though they're aren't that many blossom sites in Magome it self but they do draw tourists to japan. Tai123.123 (talk) 04:28, 26 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I spread around them a little more and am now happy with the article's layout. --Ypsilon (talk) 18:33, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Ypsilon Thank you! Tai123.123 (talk) 18:35, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
More detail in Magome#See and some detailed descriptions of one or two restaurants would be preferable, not all the same length. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 19:31, 3 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@SelfieCity, Thank you for your advice, also in the alternative name section for every listing would it be better if it said (Japanese: 丸治屋) or just (丸治屋), I noticed @SHB2000 added a listing to Tsumago with the first variation but I just assumed that most visitors who don't speak Japanese could infer it's in Japanese as the articles about Japanese. Tai123.123 (talk) 05:08, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not too sure about that though, but I'm only assuming that's the format because that's the format used on most of our articles about Morocco. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 06:55, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Stating the name is in Japanese is redundant. People seeing text in a non-Latin script should assume it is in the local language, and most readers should recognise the script as probably being kanji. This is especially true when there are several listings with similar scripts in their alternative names (if it were just for one Korean restaurant, some could misinterpret it, but now I think it is obvious). –LPfi (talk) 09:45, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
(Looking at a few articles about Morocco, I find no names written in Arabic or Berber. Could you give a pointer to one of the articles showing typical usage? –LPfi (talk) 09:54, 7 October 2021 (UTC))[reply]
oops. Didn't look deep enough (I just looked at the country and some of the region articles) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:04, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
But perhaps we should use the format "Tsukiji Outer Market (築地場外市場 Tsukiji jōgai shijō)" – many locals probably won't recognise the name we give in English and few of our readers are able to pronounce the name given in kanji (which would require knowing Japanese, as they aren't phonetic). You can of course show the name, but sometimes you'd like to use it in speech. –LPfi (talk) 10:49, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
That works, and actually helps with pronouncing the name if you don't know Japanese. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:00, 7 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@LPfi @SHB2000, made those changes for listings with english words like museum or guesthouse. Tai123.123 (talk) 01:41, 16 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks :-) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:07, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Place: San Antonio
Blurb: Texas's second largest city is famous for its River Walk and The Alamo. The Fiesta San Antonio begins on 31 March. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: winter
Nominated by: SelfieCity on October 10, 2021
Comment: Nominated as a possible winter destination alternative to Venice.
Nomination
Scheduled in March to line up with spring break and the San Antonio Fiesta. Contends Orlando, Hollywood and Las Vegas for the slot. /Yvwv (talk) 15:32, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Diving the Cape Peninsula and False Bay/Percy's Hole
Blurb: Percy's Hole is suitable for novice divers too and there's a plentitude of colourful nudibranches under water. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Star (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Oct-May, like the previous Cape peninsula diving guide
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 19:03, 13 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Time to dive into South African waters again (last such feature was January 2019). Here's another of Peter's Star-rated dive guides and I trust that everything important is included.
Nomination
Sorry, but I disagree. Traditionally we've had three years between the featuring of these dive guides, whereas we normally allow articles from the same city/region to be featured two years apart. I'd rather see the Cape dive guides more often on the Main Page rather than even less frequently. Ypsilon (talk) 19:50, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Put on hold? Due to travel restrictions for South Africa, we should consider putting this article on hold. We can run Sinhala phrasebook for the Jan-Feb slot. /Yvwv (talk) 09:26, 11 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Rescheduled for Feb/March. If travel ban persists we might have to put it on hold until late 2022. /Yvwv (talk) 14:38, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think South Africa is back to relative normal, so we can feature this at the rescheduled date, but I am not 100% sure of the situation there. --Comment by Selfie City (talk) (contributions) 15:00, 17 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Place: San Ignacio (Belize)
Blurb: This town at the crossing of Belize's main road and rivers is surrounded by plenty of Mayan sites and neotropical jungle to explore! (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Feb-May are the driest months
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 19:58, 4 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Another one for early 2022; it's been a while since we ran something from Central America so here's an article from that part of the world. The article was in a decent shape but a bit messy, so over the last week I've deleted listings of things that seem to be closed, brought over content from German and Italian WV (the German article has guide status) and generally cleaned up the article so it should be good to go.
Nomination

Outcome: OtBP for Feb 2022. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 13:06, 10 February 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Lisbon
Blurb: Portugal's capital has an ancient heritage, and has been a cosmopolitan port city since the Age of Discovery. The Lisbon Carnival is celebrated on 1 March. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any, except storm season in Nov-Dec. Weather is perfect in April-May and Sept-Oct. In contrast to many other cities in southern Europe, Lisbon is rarely too hot or too cold.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 15:49, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Slushed in 2009. Has improved a lot since then. Recently districtified. Portuguese destinations have so far only been OtBP.
Nomination
Scheduled provisionally, as Helsinki/West has zero support votes. Can be featured at other times. Maybe September for the quintecentennial of the Magellan-Elcano Circumnavigation? /Yvwv (talk) 21:09, 2 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Magellan is not widely celebrated in Portugal; he sailed for Spain and died before completing his journey. Lisbon traditionally has Carnival in later February, but due to the pandemic, it is uncertain. In any case, most European destinations are lined up for northern summer, so scheduling Portugal in February increases geographic diversity. /Yvwv (talk) 16:18, 16 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

January 2022

Place: Mui Ne
Blurb: This Vietnamese fishing town famous for its white sand dunes is a great place to celebrate the Lunar New Year on 1 February. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Dec-Apr
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 11:06, 2 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Another article from Vietnam which was already at guide status, and I've deleted outdated listings and arranged content to make it more compliant with the MoS (of course I added more photos too!). Mui Ne could probably be featured as either DotM or OtBP, but as this apparently is a part of a "dense resort area" of "over two hundred beach resorts and hotels" and other wikivoyagers in case of doubt usually prefer to run articles as DotM, I picked the former.
Nomination

Place: Koror
Blurb: Palau's main city is a stepping stone to good diving and a place to learn about the archipelago's history and culture (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: It's rainy around the year, but Feb-Apr seem slightly drier
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 20:12, 8 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Yet another article I've been polishing little by little. Small tropical destinations always warm up the OtBP section in the Northern Hemisphere winter, and as you may guess Palau is another country that's not been seen on the Main Page before.
Nomination
I have proof read and also detouted, though there are some issues I've spotted:
  1. The prices outside of listings (e.g. in 'Get around' and 'Buy') are undated, and possibly out of date. Similarly, one of the dated nuggets of info is really old (2012).
  2. Some of the dive listings contain language that I, as a non-diver, can't understand. @Pbsouthwood: would you mind looking over and 'translating' these?
  3. It would be nice to have some explanation of what a storyboard is; what they are/were for, how big and heavy they are, what they're made from...
  4. There are restaurants mentioned by name at the bottom of 'Eat'; they need proper listings.
I also added some more consular information for the major English-speaking countries.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 16:16, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Ok, will do. • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 17:13, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Done, All looks fine. Terminology is quite ordinary for the context and should be understood by most divers as it stands. Cheers, • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 17:26, 28 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you, but what about novices or people who have decided to dive for the first time in Palau? The context is not a dive article, but a destination article for general audience, who can't be expected to have specialist knowledge.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 17:26, 1 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: Here's an issue: The lede says that Koror's population is 10,000, but then, "Understand" says:
Home to half of the country's population (estimated between 10,000 and 14,000)
Does that estimate refer to the whole country or Koror? Either way, it's quite ambiguous and should be checked and updated as necessary. I'll look at more of the article some other time. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:49, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
That was me. The last census data I could find was from 2006; there are more recent population estimates, but they vary between 10 and 14 k, with some confusion between the city and state. I have removed the lede figure and made the sentence in 'Understand' clearer.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:03, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]
Much clearer, thank you. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:47, 3 January 2022 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Sinhala phrasebook
Blurb: Whether you plan to visit Sri Lanka someday or want to enjoy a little piece of the country's culture - a few phrases in Sinhala - today; check out this phrasebook! (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 19:12, 28 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Sometime in the first months of every year we've traditionally featured a phrasebook as FTT - how about a language with a different script this time? I just added photos to the article and the only issue I can see with the article is that it has a pretty extensive grammar section for a travel phrasebook which we can keep or trim down.
Nomination
Comment: Due to travel restrictions for Israel and South Africa, we might have to run this article early. We should find a good banner soon. Any suggestions? /Yvwv (talk) 08:18, 29 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Banners nominated at /Banners#Sinhala phrasebook. /Yvwv (talk) 07:33, 30 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Rescheduled in the Jan/Feb slot due to the travel ban for South Africa. /Yvwv (talk) 14:37, 13 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]

2021

December 2021

Place: Sydney
Blurb: Australia's largest city, famous for its beaches and iconic harbour view, is the first world city to head into 2022 at New Year's Eve. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: October-April or June
Nominated by: SHB2000 (talk) 05:58, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Great article and it's a great way to engage travellers from all over the country and New Zealand to come and visit the city. (or even the entire world if the borders open)
Nomination
  • Support as the nominator and resident. --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 05:59, 11 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Almost support Extensive article, though there are a couple of things. Some districts in the district list are redlinks, and they need to be turned into articles if there are a few things that are of interest to visitors there, otherwise redirected or delinked. See and Do have "move to district" tags, this seems to have been (mostly) done but some parts – for example the beginning if See – is...rather bare-bones. Then, further down the article there are a few places where bullet points perhaps could be turned into normal text. Finally, and this is maybe more of a personal preference, some places in the article could use one or several more photos. Ypsilon (talk) 19:10, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I will fix that. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 23:28, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, maybe time to slush? --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 20:31, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Recife has zero support votes, and the pandemic has been bad in Brazil, so we might need a new article both for December and January. Mui Ne is good to go for December. We can hopefully do Orlando in January and Venice in February (with the Carnival, and the absence of European destinations during northern winter). /Yvwv (talk) 21:56, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Yvwv: restrictions are expected to ease in November. But I don't think we should slush articles just because of the pandemic. Lots of places have been affected by lockdowns, but although they haven't been as harsh as Australia's, Sydney's lockdown, at least is a lot more looser than Victoria's one. Given that regardless of lockdown or not, NYE celebrations would still go on ahead as usual (virtually). SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 22:31, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think we should postpone featuring Sydney for a few months. Many readers will either have planned to visit Australia for the holiday season, or be visited by Australians, so it would be better to delay featuring such an iconic destination especially if even Australians can't visit Sydney. I don't know that we can be sure that NYE celebrations will take place. It would be different featuring a small place as OTBP. Also "move to district" has not been resolved yet. AlasdairW (talk) 22:55, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
But given that almost the whole world is basically out of reach these days, there's no good reason to postpone these (including Recife). And by the time comes, everything would be open. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 23:17, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think there was consensus not to slush destinations due to the pandemic (to let readers read about interesting destinations where they may be interested in visiting after the pandemic), has that changed? Also, while people can't travel to Australia, we have a wide reader and editor base there. Ypsilon (talk) 04:11, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
One reason to feature Sydney in December 2021 would be the new Matrix film. Matrix tourism has many destinations in Sydney. /Yvwv (talk) 10:39, 8 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Though, if we have to postpone some article to 2022-23 otherwise scheduled for next Northern winter to make space for Venice in February I would suggest that to be either of the two Australian big city articles. I was thinking about running Sydney in December and Melbourne City Centre in March. We could 1. postpone Melbourne, and move Mui Ne forward one month forward to March, 2. postpone Sydney and move Recife and Mui Ne one step backwards freeing February's slot or 3. postpone Melbourne, move Sydney to March, and Recife and Mui Ne one step backwards. --Ypsilon (talk) 15:19, 11 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Given that Matrix is getting released in December, it'll be nice to feature Sydney during December (instead of postponing). --SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 10:03, 13 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Seemingly, the upcoming film is mainly shot in San Francisco, not in Sydney. /Yvwv (talk) 14:35, 24 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Re Alasdair's concern, there was some news that Sydney may open up internationally this December, but it's confirmed that everything will open up fully on December 1. Of course, I still think that Western Australia will keep their borders shut though. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:16, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
From early 2020 until early 2021, more or less the whole world had harsh restrictions (except Sweden), and our featured articles were mainly intended for domestic travellers or future planning. The game has changed now, as infection rates, immigration rules and domestic regulations are very different between countries. As we now have many good articles nominated, we should avoid to feature a destination with severe infection rate or heavy restrictions. /Yvwv (talk) 01:22, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
(if you didn't know, lockdown in Sydney ended nearly a month ago, and case numbers are much lower than the rest of the world w approx. 200 a day, and it's only getting lower) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 05:24, 27 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Montserrat
Blurb: A 1995 volcanic eruption desolated much of this Caribbean island, but it is again a pleasant destination for northern winter, with the Montserrat Carnival from 18 December to 3 January. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: maybe Dec-May to avoid the hurricane season
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 19:24, 19 February 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Something from the Caribbean towards the end of the year? This is one of the informative but a bit messy articles I cleaned up and updated a year ago, maybe listings need a new update closer to when its featured but the article shouldn't have any other deficiencies.
Nomination
Comment: As of 1 October, Montserrat is open to travellers with Covid19 vaccine. Unclear whether they will host the Carnival in December. /Yvwv (talk) 14:20, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Just got a reply on Messenger (!) that the festival lasts from Dec 18 to Jan 3. Would make Montserrat a great destination for December. By coincidence, we feature Plymouth (Massachusetts, and Montserrat's deserted capital) back-to-back as OTBP. /Yvwv (talk) 14:26, 29 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Place: European classical music
Blurb: Europe has a centuries-long tradition of classical music, today performed around the world by orchestras and smaller ensembles. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Northern spring 2022. Hopefully most pandemic restrictions in Europe are lifted by then. Many venues are closed at summer.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 21:38, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Slushed in early 2020 but has improved a lot since then.
Nomination
  • Good idea about when to feature it. It still needs more destinations. For example, Atlanta has had one of the best orchestras in the U.S. for some years now. I wish someone who knew the city would add the listing, but it should be doable by consulting online sources. Houston has the Houston Grand Opera and also a reputable symphony orchestra. Pittsburgh should be listed. And the list goes on. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:52, 23 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
@Ikan Kekek: No need to wait for someone who knows those cities, particularly as you've brought all of those places up before and no-one has stepped forward. If you know about the orchestras, please plunge forward.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 16:30, 24 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
As a classical musician, I may be biased, but I think it needs more entries. I'll do some work on it, but I'm not sure at what point it'll be comprehensive enough to be really helpful for the world traveler who loves to hear classical music all over. Some of you may need to take on the role of producers, telling me when to put down the instrument (at least for a while) and go with the take we've already recorded. :-) Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:37, 25 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Generally Support, but I am surprised that there are no destinations in Africa, Central Asia or the Middle East. There are several orchestras in South Africa, and a couple in the Middle East. AlasdairW (talk) 18:27, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: :::Also there is an opera house in Haiphong, Vietnam, which was built by the French during the colonial era. One reason why I haven't added a listing is because I have no idea if you can still attend any operas or other types of classical music performances there. On that note, if we want to start looking at Africa, I won't be surprised if the French built any opera houses in their African colonies just like they did in Vietnam. The dog2 (talk) 20:49, 26 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Israel Philharmonic could be listed. I'm not too familiar with Turkish orchestras; I think those in Istanbul and Ankara are respected, but I'd prefer for someone more knowledgeable to pass judgment on that. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:10, 27 August 2021 (UTC)[reply]
We should try to make March/April 2022. That is in the middle of the concert season, well after the expected rush on tickets following the pandemic. We also cover the Easter holidays with liturgical performances. /Yvwv (talk) 22:08, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]
With feature from 21 April we'll miss Easter (10–18 April), and there is not much left of the season. March would be ideal, but there's the clash with Titanic. Would February be too early? In practice, for a FTT that's March. –LPfi (talk) 12:05, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
We have scheduled the Vatican for April. It is one of few relevant articles for Easter travel. There is nothing wrong about scheduling classical music for late April to May. /Yvwv (talk) 12:22, 23 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • I added several listings for U.S. cities, but more should be added, especially if there are people more familiar with classical performances other than by symphony orchestras and major opera companies. Is there lots of chamber music performed, is there a contemporary music scene, are there historical performance groups playing on original instruments, are there churches with great choirs that perform composed masses or cantatas, etc.? Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:25, 15 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Banners nominated at /Banners#European classical music. Due to restricted travel to South Africa and Israel, we might have to run this article already in December or January. /Yvwv (talk) 08:08, 29 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Scheduled for December 2021-January 2022 to replace public transit in Israel. /Yvwv (talk) 13:21, 3 December 2021 (UTC)[reply]


November 2021

Place: Alexandria
Blurb: Egypt's window to the Mediterranean is truly a city with a history, and also famous for its seafood and long beach promenade - the Corniche. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Sep-Dec or Mar-May per the climate chart
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 16:16, 14 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: And it's time to start thinking about articles to run towards the end of the year. A while ago (OK, almost a year ago when now looking at the article history) I cleaned up and updated some articles by adding coordinates and deleting closed listings, and Alexandria was one of them.
Nomination

Place: Plymouth, Massachusetts
Blurb: New England's first colony saw the foundation of the Thanksgiving holiday, and keeps four centuries of heritage alive. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: June-Aug for comfortable weather, or November for Thanksgiving. 2021 is the 400th anniversary.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 14:33, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: While the town has just around 60,000 permanent citizens, it has great historical importance, and draws great crowds at summer. Is it big enough for DoTM?
Nomination
Plymouth contends Gävle (famous for the fiery straw goat) for the November spot. My Swedish point of view is that I would love to see Gävle featured, but not necessarily this year, as many travellers would probably stay domestic. I would appreciate to get the American point of view. Would people visit Plymouth for Thanksgiving? /Yvwv (talk) 16:38, 1 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]
On another note Yvwv, wouldn't 60k residents = a city ;-) SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 01:15, 22 October 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Pacific War
Blurb: World War II came to the Pacific Ocean on 7 December 1941, and was fought across seas and jungles with devastating weapons. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Usable (deserves a higher grade) Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Preferrably northern winter, as Southeast Asia is rainy during northern summer. We could aim for Nov-Dec 2021; the 80th anniversary of the Pearl Harbor attack.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 22:49, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: A lengthy article with a wide geographic scope.
Nomination
Have just tried that, and it doesn't work. You can centre it on the Pacific, but then all the markers are to the right.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:57, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
the osm layouts aren't great SHB2000 (talk | contribs | meta.wikimedia) 11:00, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Very close more photos! And if an article looks so good that you would like to nominate it for the Main Page (which I do think this one is), consider updating its status to guide first. --Ypsilon (talk) 17:19, 12 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Support - pics added and guide status. --Ypsilon (talk) 17:23, 29 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
How do we settle for a blurb? /Yvwv (talk) 15:29, 8 November 2021 (UTC)[reply]

October 2021


Place: Beijing/Central Dongcheng
Blurb: From Tiananmen Square to Wangfujing street, much that draws visitors to Beijing can be found in Dongcheng. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: The best time to visit is in September and October, during the "Golden Autumn"
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 14:37, 24 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: And as we've got started, why not think about something to place into October's DotM slot as well. This is a nice-looking article but a few coordinates are still missing, if there are closed businesses they should be deleted, and the Connect section needs some content.
Nomination

Place: Chavín de Huántar
Blurb: Explore the ancient Chavín culture and the Andean cuisine and admire great views in this little town that millenia ago was an important ceremonial site. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Apr-Nov is the dry season
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 18:31, 26 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: We didn't have any nominee that would fit into October's OtBP slot, so I translated this guide-status one from Spanish WV. Seems to be quite an interesting little town. Listings were last edited in February, at which point the Spanish article was written from scratch so everything should be up to date. There are a couple of prices from 2014 that were originally in the English article but those can be deleted if we don't want to keep them.
Nomination

Place: Arriving in a new city
Blurb: Do you often find it intimidating to arrive at a new, strange place? Here are some useful tips for you. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 09:12, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: As you can see on the article talk page, I've been thinking about what to add to the article "for a little while". As there've been no more ideas, I assume the article should be ready to feature, even in its short form.
Nomination
Well, if someone - anyone - comes to think of anything to add to the article, please do. If nobody can come to think of anything, then the article can be considered complete and featureable, regardless of its length. --Ypsilon (talk) 14:32, 28 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]


September 2021

Place: Ljubljana
Blurb: It's a pleasure to just stroll around in Slovenia's little capital with a lot of greenery and smaller attractions. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: September 2021? Otherwise May-Sep
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 14:37, 24 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Time to add something to the DotM section again, why not something from another European country from which no article has been featured before. Ljubljana has guide status and has plenty of content but still needs some polishing. Hardly any listings below Do have coordinates, closed places should be deleted and some photos need to be moved around, right-aligned and enlarged.
Nomination
Comment why was this nominated by Ypsilon when he knew this needs more work? SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 23:27, 8 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Because I wasn't sure exactly how the schedule for 2021 would look like (articles nominated for late Northern Hemisphere summer months sometimes will sit around until next summer) and it's better to update an article closer to the time it's featured - if you do this for example two years before, there's a greater risk that things have changed, businesses closed etc. Will have a look at Ljubljana later on when I'm done with Winnipeg and a few other articles. Ypsilon (talk) 05:12, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I see. SHB2000 (talk | contribs | en.wikipedia) 05:14, 9 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Diablo Range
Blurb: California's Diablo Range, with Mount Diablo, reservoirs, and rugged terrain, but also oak trees on rolling hills, is an enjoyable destination for both serious hikers and casual tourists. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide-level extraregion (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: in preparation for early summer and autumn (perhaps a month's feature in March or September would work); however, there is no need to plan ahead long-term as there are plenty of hotels available in the region
Nominated by: --Comment by Selfie City (talk) 23:39, 25 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I understand this has to wait, but that's fine as long as the wildfires don't destroy it! This is a park article; however, it is not one particular park; I used that category because I did not want to make it an extraregion
Nomination
  • I haven't looked closely enough to support or oppose yet, but it looks like it should be otbp rather than dotm. Not a famous destination, and the lead says "it rarely gets deserved attention from either tourists or locals". —Granger (talk · contribs) 01:24, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • The article itself looks good, maybe a photo or two could be added to some sections. As Granger just said, if the park doesn't see many visitors, we should run the article OtBP.
Another thing: in the Do section there's Henry W. Coe State Park linked, but that article is just at outline status. On the other hand, this isn't a region article and the State Park isn't categorized below this article so I'm not sure if the rule that everything below has to be at least at usable status applies here. --Ypsilon (talk) 09:43, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • What about the Get in section? Is there any other way of getting into the park without a car? If no public transport, then are there no bus excursions from nearby towns? Local taxi firms that can offer trips? Cycle paths or hiking trails? If it really is impossible to get there without driving yourself, then you need to be more emphatic than just "You'll want to enter the range by car." --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 12:10, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Really interesting article—kudos to User:SelfieCity for all the hard work putting it together. I have to say not yet because of some significant issues that need to be addressed.
I agree with User:ThunderingTyphoons! about the "Get in" section. Wikivoyage:Guide articles says "Not only would you not need to consult another guide, you'd really have no reason to want to: it's all here." But if I was considering a trip to the Diablo Range, my immediate thought on reading the "Get in" and "Get around" sections would be "Huh, I'd better do some more research."
I'm also not really clear on what kind of article this is. The markers on the map cover a huge area that includes several cities and parks that we have separate articles for. Should this really be a park, or would it be better as an extraregion? SelfieCity, you said "I did not want to make it an extraregion", but I don't really understand why. If it's a park article, then we need to clarify what area it covers and how it relates to the other cities and parks nearby, and it needs listings in the "Eat", "Sleep", and perhaps some other sections. —Granger (talk · contribs) 12:35, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks for all the thoughts! Well, I guess I have some things to explain — here we go:
@Mx. Granger: Why I didn't make it an extraregion — extraregions are extremely limiting; see Tri-Valley. As this mountain range could be treated as one destination, but can't (?) be a region of its own, it felt that the "park" rating was suitable. Quite a few of the parks in the Diablo Range (Dublin Hills, Brushy Peak, Del Valle, Ohlone, Mission Peak, Sunol, and Vargas) are all managed by the East Bay Regional Park District. There are a few important destinations in the Diablo Range that aren't within the EBRPD, including Mount Diablo and the Pinnacles. However, these ought to be mentioned as they are two of the most, if not the most, important destinations in the range. As I see it, the Diablo Range can be treated as one.
@ThunderingTyphoons!: "Get in" — no public transport as far as I know. I know that's hard to understand, especially if you're from a country or region where public transport is the way to get around. Yes, taxis would work, but isn't that WV:Obvious. I can give taxis a mention, however.
@Ypsilon: One thing I can definitely do is add more photos. Thanks for askinga bout that.
I understand the categorization is unusual, and I'm not sure how I can explain it, but I thought that by treating this whole region as one large park, it could work. I think it does — I'm sure, however, I can work on some details in the meantime! --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 13:15, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Just re one of the points you made, the existence of taxi companies may be obvious, but echoing Granger's comments, we shouldn't be leaving it to travellers to find out for themselves the names of those companies, how to contact them, and a ballpark cost (even if just the meter rate, or however it works).
I have a personal dislike of extraregions, except when there's no other way, so I hope you can manage to define this park's boundaries a bit clearer.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 18:19, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
If the article is turned into an extraregion, that could mean some problems as we don't seem to have any article status policies for them and I can't remember if we've ever featured one... --Ypsilon (talk) 18:39, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Exactly, Ypsilon. That's a major reason why I chose to make it a park article. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 18:41, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Extraregions can be extensive—see Lake Baikal or Dead Sea (Israel and the West Bank). To me this article looks like it might be a very well developed, detailed extraregion.
Or maybe it should be a travel topic? This article doesn't cover everything about the area in question, but rather focuses on hiking and other outdoor recreation. "You can throw public transport right out" isn't true for all travellers to cities in this area, but maybe it is true for getting to the hiking trails. @SelfieCity: am I on the right track here? Or is this a park article that's very unclear about the location of the park? Or is it supposed to be some kind of superpark that includes lots of other parks and cities which have their own articles? —Granger (talk · contribs) 00:48, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'm fine with any category except extraregion, as an extraregion cannot have a status. Generally, due to concerns of scope, and therefore, deletion, I'm not into travel topics, but I don't take an issue with this article being made one, and I'll continue to work on it when time allows. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 00:57, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think there's any good argument why extraregions should not have article statuses or otherwise be treated differently from any other destination article. You can break down countries or states or cities in any number of different ways for Wikivoyage purposes - that's the whole reason why we discuss regionalization/districtification on article talk pages, rather than just doing it unilaterally - and just because a particular region doesn't fit into the hierarchy we've arbitrarily chosen doesn't mean it's not still a perfectly cohesive entity that's useful for travellers. I think what we ought to do is not force Diablo Range into a category where it doesn't belong just so we can say it's allowed to be OtBP, but rather to change our policy regarding extraregions to allow them to have article status and to be featured on the Main Page. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 03:54, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I disagree somewhat with the idea that all extraregions should have statuses. Some extraregion articles are really just disambig pages with a bit of explanation and should never be expanded. So what status do we give those? See Persian Gulf and Mediterranean Sea for such examples, and then consider how much more the Empty Quarter article could be expanded. I think what we might want to do with extraregion articles is informally agree on a status that's noted on their talk pages. Clearly, we wouldn't want to feature Persian Gulf. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:02, 18 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I agree with Ikan Kekek (assuming I'm understanding you correctly). We don't need to give extraregions official statuses, but we can feature them on the main page when we have consensus that they're at an appropriate level of completeness. —Granger (talk · contribs) 13:38, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
That's a good idea. However, the text of the extraregion template may need to be adjusted. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 14:12, 23 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • For now, I've made it an extraregion. We can change that, of course, in the long term, but as that's where we are the closest to consensus, I've adjusted the template at the bottom of page to the extraregion template. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 19:52, 2 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as otbp. Thanks for clarifying the type of article. The transportation information has been improved—still has room for improvement, but I think it's good enough for featuring. Given how car-centric most of the U.S. is, I'm not surprised that public transport isn't an option. Another photo or two towards the beginning of the article wouldn't hurt. —Granger (talk · contribs) 01:16, 3 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Agreed, and I have no issue with this being OTBP. I've been busy lately, though less so over Christmas, so I haven't been doing doing so much work on the Diablo Range article. (I've actually been spending quite a lot of time on WP.) I hope to keep developing this Diablo Range article, however. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 18:11, 3 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I've also moved the discussion to OTBP per above. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 02:30, 5 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I’m not sure about keeping this one on the schedule. The recent fires have burned so much of the mountain range that the information in it could be largely wrong. Fortunately most of the parks have escaped the fires, but that will quite possibly change as the fires spread. (Sycamore Grove fell victim to a fire and should perhaps be removed from the article.) --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 15:31, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It hasn't been scheduled yet, so I'd say let's give it a month or two and see how things look. Hopefully the fires get under control soon! —Granger (talk · contribs) 16:35, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
FWIW, if the articles are going on the schedule in the order they're nominated, with appropriate distance between articles from the same country (USA) and during an appropriate month, I believe there's going to be a little over a year before Diablo Range will be featured. So there's a lot of time to see what damage the fires have done. If one is pessimistic, it also means that there's a chance for new fires (isn't there a forest fire risk around the year in much of California?). --Ypsilon (talk) 17:17, 22 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Game of Thrones tourism
Blurb: An exceedingly popular TV series with more Emmy awards than any other. Much of it was shot on location in places that are interesting in their own right as well as to fans. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any
Nominated by: Pashley (talk) 11:53, 20 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: {{{comment}}}
Nomination
Any Game of Thrones fans who'd like to comment on this one? --Ypsilon (talk) 15:40, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • As a casual fan, I think the article looks good overall, but there should probably be some more information about the studio tour in Belfast, ie what sets are there, what the tour involves, and practical information like timings, price, etc.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 16:46, 27 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
There was supposed to be one opening at the Titanic Studios, but I guess it's been postponed due to the usual reasons.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:34, 16 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Northern autumn seems to be a good time to visit most destinations, before winter is coming. /Yvwv (talk) 22:12, 7 September 2021 (UTC)[reply]

August 2021

Place: Portland (Oregon)
Blurb: Once a down-at-the-heels seaport town, now one of America's trendiest cities of the moment; in the "City of Roses" the accent is on sustainability and a certain self-conscious quirkiness. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: northern summer
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 13:11, 1 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Slushed in 2010, but has grown a lot since then. Has all the essentials of a city article.
Nomination
  • Not yet — at a first glance it looks like a solid article, but some listings lack description (most notably in the Sleep section). The article has a huge number of Eat listings (83!). Yes, some of them are local chains with several restaurants but still... ϒpsilon (talk) 15:49, 5 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • If being complete means adding even more length and listings to an already overlong and over-listy article, as Ypsilon said (and I agree with him), then the answer is that Portland needs to be districtified first. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:52, 5 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Interestingly, districtification has already been discussed three times on Talk:Portland (Oregon). ϒpsilon (talk) 13:39, 6 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Slush?

Between this nomination and Talk:Portland (Oregon) (and just look at the article itself!), there's a strong indication that this article ought to be districtified before it's put on the Main Page. That's a formidable task that, in the nearly five months since it's been nominated, no one has bothered to get started on. Also, the nominee doesn't currently have any Support votes to go on the Main Page as is. Are we going to get moving on this or should Portland be slushed? -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 05:23, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Agree, let's slush for now.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:56, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
As discussed, Portland needs to be districtified. It shouldn't be to difficult to divide the city into a couple of districts, for example per the suggestion in Talk:Portland_(Oregon)#Districtification.
But as the schedule is full for the warm months of 2019, Portland is either going to sit around for 1+ year or something from the schedule will have to give up its place. -- ϒψιλον (talk) 11:54, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Ypsi - Now that you mention it, I do remember the districtification of Riga ahead of its term of DotM took much less time than I'd expected. But the question is: given all the other work that needs to be done, on other DotM candidates and elsewhere on the site, is anyone actually going to take on this project? We have enough DotM candidates, and enough Guide-level articles especially among U.S. destinations, that it would be no big deal if we slushed Portland, not to mention that it was nominated too late to make the summer 2019 schedule anyway. I'd say let's revisit this issue in three months and see if any progress has been made in the interim. What do you (and others) think about that? -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 16:06, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I've never used more than a few days to districtify a city. Usually it does just take a couple of hours to move the listings, once the district division and borders have been decided. Then the main article needs some more content in sections that formerly had listings, district articles need some info in Understand and Get in (a look at the city's map and public transport network map is often enough), and then a district map needs to be created.
I could help out with districtifying Portland, but it will have to wait a while; other WV projects (yup, also DotM related :)) have priority. -- ϒψιλον (talk) 18:49, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Portland is now districtified. -- ϒψιλον (talk) 19:44, 12 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Borderline between support and not yet. I find it hard to make up my mind here. The eat section, for example, is much to long, and therefore is like a yellow pages guide and not a travel guide. Otherwise, however, it looks like a reasonably good article. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 23:26, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Districts

Regarding the fact that, as Ypsilon says, it's now districtified, I have a couple thoughts:

  1. I think it would make sense for Portland to be moved to Portland and for the disambiguation page to moved to Portland (disambiguation).
  2. Good news about the districtification! The district articles look good, although perhaps they could do with some more general information. (For example, none of them have an "understand" section.)
  3. In the "districts" section of the main article, there definitely ought to be a description of each of the districts, so travelers can know a little about each district before visiting their respective pages.

--Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 00:56, 13 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Better to have that discussion in Talk:Portland_(Oregon)#Districtification_for_DotM, there indeed are still some things both the main Portland article and the district articles need. ϒψιλον (talk) 05:10, 13 March 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I think the "See" section needs some links to the districts. The "Do" section should mention/list the major city festivals/events. The districts should only give a listing to ONE of the chain restaurants. Portland (Oregon)/Eastside's Eat section looks sloppy with half of the listings being the same restaurants. The "Connect" section in the districts should have content or be deleted. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 03:04, 28 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
May 2020

The city ensemble (the main article and three districts) still need work, but it's largely down to the districts that this is the case. If someone is willing to step up and do the following before the projected August slot, I'll support:

  • The district list should have a couple of lines of description for each of the three districts, including mentioning where to find Downtown.
  • There's a disconnect between the districts we've decided to use and the 'Neighborhoods' list in 'See'; can the gap be bridged?
  • The district articles themselves are little more than repositories for listings. In particular:
  • no 'Understand' section, indeed no information about the districts as places at all;
  • very poor 'Get in' that are only slightly useful if you are arriving from out of town by one particular mode of transport, but not if you want to get from say the Southwest to the East.
  • no 'Get around', even though the East in itself is as big as a large city.

On the positive side, the main article is very well-written and the vast majority of the district listings are of the expected high standard.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:37, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I for one plan to put down some effort into the article(s) in the coming months. Ypsilon (talk) 13:50, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
If you think you can take care of everything listed above, then I can support the nomination.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 22:50, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Riots

Riots and violence has been ongoing in Portland for over a month. Insurrectionists are trying to burn down the federal courthouse. Are we okay with featuring the city in the midst of such turmoil? ChubbyWimbus (talk) 11:01, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

As long as the article gets updated to reflect this, I don't see why not. Very few people will be visiting in the month it's featured anyway.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 11:51, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I have a friend in Portland who's been posting about this on Facebook. She says the protestors are largely peaceful, the federal government crackdown has been brutal, but the whole thing is happening in a small area of the city. —Granger (talk · contribs) 11:53, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Let's leave aside the question of when people will be visiting, what geographical percentage of the city is affected, and what the danger is to visitors and look at it from the point of view of how tone-deaf it looks for Wikivoyage to be foregrounding an article about traveling to Portland during 1) a global pandemic, specifically one in which the U.S. is one of the few countries that doesn't have the outbreak under any semblance of control and 2) a time in history when federal agents are snatching people from the streets with impunity. It's not as if our readers don't read the news. Frankly, I think it's hard enough to argue against slushing any and all U.S. nominees (we ought to be thanking our lucky stars there are only two besides Portland on the docket between now and January 20, 2021); I'm amazed anyone is even trying to defend this particular one. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 20:39, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
If its month to be featured was September, I'd say let's wait and see. But frankly, right now, in addition to what you all are posting about, anyone from a foreign country who chooses to visit the U.S. is crazy. So yeah, let's put this feature on ice and return to it in more normal times. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:56, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Speaking of U.S. destinations, perhaps NSB should be postponed to January and Torres del Paine moved to December? There will likely still be concerns in December, but hopefully if we have a vaccine (?) and declining cases by mid-January, there will at least be a chance of it going on the main page during a time when tourists are considering visiting. (As a note, tourism is high in NSB right now, but that's travel within the U.S., not foreign countries. I don't know why people are traveling long-distance across the country right now.) We can always postpone NSB until next summer if the coronavirus is still widespread in January. Portland could be postponed at least a few months and instead choose locations without large numbers of coronavirus cases, not only due to the risks of the virus itself but also due to the concerns associated with visiting a country/state in lockdown right now.
The cases won't go down quickly, and I don't see them dropping to "safe" levels until next year, if not later, and until then we ought to focus on foreign destinations. Even Europe probably had best be avoided this summer IMO. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 21:03, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) We can always wait and watch, but I would definitely recommend to anyone to stay away from the U.S. until at least January, and that's even without considering the extent to which the U.S. is the center of the COVID plague now. Florida is a total disaster at the moment, but we can't be sure what it'll be like in December. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:11, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Cases in the northeast of the state are relatively low currently, and we'll soon see how much difference the new mask mandates make; probably not enough. The situation is most of control in the Miami area, and some other cities to a lesser extent, and minorities seem to have suffered the highest number of cases. Parts of the state probably won't be back to normal until next summer, unless cases drop suddenly like they did in New York City. But as you've said, we can't know for sure, but judging from other countries such those in Europe it takes months for the virus to reduce to low levels, and in those countries there were strict lockdowns. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 21:18, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Before we go too far down this road, let me be clear about what I do and do not actually support. I do support slushing Portland. I do not support slushing any other U.S. featured article nominees at this time, and am unlikely to change my mind in that regard unless, like Portland, there emerge safety concerns over and above COVID. What I meant by my comments about "it's hard enough to argue against slushing any and all U.S. nominees" was that I think at this point it's possible to construct a valid argument in opposition to mine. If we had been having this conversation a few months ago, I would have dismissed any such concerns out of hand. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:50, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
To SelfieCity's point, I would note that cases in Europe, Australia, and some other countries are on the rise again. Personally, I think countries that have convinced themselves that they've somehow "beaten the virus" just because they've brought cases within their jurisdictions down to zero are only fooling themselves; unless they plan on hermetically sealing their borders for years on end and/or unless science develops a COVID test with a 100% accuracy rate that can be given to people at customs, it's only a matter of time before the virus seeps back in again. Realistically, nowhere is safe for travel until there is a vaccine (actually, if you want to get technical about it, it could be argued that nowhere ever was or ever will be "safe for travel") and engaging in travel for the foreseeable future will inherently involve acceptance of a certain risk, which makes the question of what should and shouldn't be on the Main Page a bit more complicated and nuanced than "no U.S." -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 21:40, 21 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
No featured article should be interpreted as us saying this place is safe to travel in the middle of a pandemic. As Andre says, no place is really safe unless the few countries where it has been eliminated in the first wave create a bubble among themselves. For example, New Zealand, Taiwan and a few Pacific Islands could open up with each other and shut out everyone else but it won't quite happen in practice. Citizens from other countries are allowed to return home and if one of them breaks quarantine, the fire is reignited. Gizza (roam) 01:15, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
The theory is that when somebody breaks the quarantine or comes in without, the contacts will have been few enough that they can be traced and the affected persons quarantined. If this happens seldom enough it is not an unreasonable burden. The same works with domestic cases. But this works only if contacts are few, and few random passersby infected (I hope nightclubs will have few customers). It can work, but did not in the countries were cases are getting out of hand again. --LPfi (talk) 07:16, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
It definitely did not work in Melbourne and now Australia's two most populous states. Went from single digit numbers of cases per week (no community transmission) to 400-500 a day (nearly all of it community transmission). I agree that the DotM should be a place to dream about or plan for in the future, not a suggestion to travel there now, which may not even be possible based on the rules of your home and destination country. Gizza (roam) 08:19, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I'd say obviously not soon. The title "destination of the month" seems to suggest visiting now & we should not suggest that. Pashley (talk) 06:16, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Hasn't it always meant "the destination featured this month", "the destination to dream about this month" etc., not the destination to (start planning to) visit this month? --LPfi (talk) 07:19, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yes to what LPfi said. Plus, as our special message says: "Importantly, our intention is NOT to promote the idea of actually visiting any of these places now or in the near-term future. The primary purpose of our Featured Articles is, and always has been, to highlight the hard work of our dedicated team of travel writers by presenting our readers with the best-quality articles Wikivoyage has to offer." Well what's changed, eh? If we're suddenly saying that this feature sends the wrong message, then we should at least be consistent and cancel all features for the foreseeable.
Pulling Portland at this stage doesn't seem fair to those (particularly user:Ypsilon, but also user:Anyone150 and user:Jake Oregon) who responded to feedback above and quickly implemented the needed improvements to the city and its districts. Thanks to their efforts, it's ready to be featured now, but that readiness will decay over time, necessitating further updates.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 08:30, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Right now commerce/life seems to be coming to normal in many places. So despite what you may of wrote to tell readers to refrain from traveling people can still travel around to take advantage of the low airfares being offered. So like traveling to more disturbed areas I would think you would put up that that pink or yellow banner on top of the article to warn travelers of what's going on there. I defer that to the main editors/moderators to do so. Anyone150 (Anyone150) 08:42, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
You could make that same argument against ever postponing any feature, but is this the first time we would have done so? Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:42, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Quite right, I could and probably would, because it's important we don't take people's contributions for granted. I ask again what's so special about Portland that makes us suddenly change practice? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 09:49, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Because it's tone-deaf to feature the city while it's under attack by irregular Federal agents. Regardless of how it's rationalized, it would give the site a black eye. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:56, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think it's taking the contributions for granted. I have no affinity towards or against Portland, and I can only speak for myself on this, but if I worked hard on an article (or even if I didn't but it was a city I really loved/cared about), I would not want its SINGULAR feature to be during a time when the city has fallen into civil unrest. The question of "how bad is it really?" is secondary to what its image is and how it is presented in the news. Left wing sources tend to focus on the federal agents' bad behaviors and right wing sources tend to focus on the bad behaviors of the rioters (the politicization is unfortunate, since both deserve focus), but no sources are making the city look like a nice place to be or visit. It's "scary" to many people, and that was not the case when the article was built up.
This is not the first time we've talked about this. We've had such discussions before. Whenever it was, I believe I made the analogy of featuring Fukushima a month after the 2011 disaster. It would have looked like a bad joke. Portland is obviously not comparable to the Fukushima disaster, but to me it still has a "bad joke" feel right now. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 11:38, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
If it's more about the optics of Wikivoyage promoting Portland on its front page than the safety of travellers, would that mean the article could just be (provisionally) shunted back in the schedule a couple of months? Run York in August and, while Tel Aviv is up in September, review the situation for a Portland feature in October? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:52, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ Why not post a link the Wikivoyage:COVID-19 message at the beginning of each featured article (we could postpone featured articles as well)? That would at least partially clarify the concerns mentioned above. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 13:53, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I agree with delaying the featuring until the political situation is more stable. Regardless of whether the police or protesters are at fault, our advice to potential tourists remains the same; stay away protests or any other types of civil unrest if you're not a local. The dog2 (talk) 19:21, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
We already discussed discontinuing our features due to the COVID-19 pandemic and many people acknowledged that we can continue running them to present readers with interesting places that they may want to travel to someday (also, someone pointed out that even under normal conditions few people could just travel there right away). But obviously it would look bad to run articles articles about places when they have a particularly high infection rate, e.g. Bergamo in March or Delhi now or certain parts of the U.S. just as we wouldn't feature articles right after a major natural disaster or a terrorist attack for instance. Or during riots that have gone on for days and weeks.
For foreigners (if we'd be let in for tourism) now isn't a good time to travel to anywhere in the States excluding perhaps remote parts of Alaska. But as a third or even more of en-WV's regular editors hail from the U.S., probably the same goes for our readership. Secondly, the U.S. is geographically almost as as big as Europe so I don't think we should look at the country as one single unit that we wouldn't recommend entering or moving around anywhere in - many of our editors and readers are already there! And according to this map (presumably still reasonably up to date) the number of infections in Oregon isn't as bad as in many other parts of the country, so from a corona point of view Portland is a relatively safe place to visit, for domestic travel.
But the problem are the riots. Looking at the news Portland seems like a minor war zone right now, and one would rather put a caution or warningbox in the article rather than featuring it. So it would not be appropriate to run it today and very probably not on 1 August, in a little more than a week. Not so sure if the article would have to be slushed right away; couldn't it first be moved forward in the schedule (still OK to visit in October?), and if the rioting or other problems persists then we could slush it. It can always be renominated and brought up to date later, say, in 2021 or 2022. --Ypsilon (talk) 19:22, 22 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I think that's reasonable. We can move it to a later month and if the situation persists or worsens, we can discuss slushing it at that time. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 01:45, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I think that's OK, too. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:58, 23 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
So... should we move Portland a month or two forward in the schedule and feature York in August instead? Ypsilon (talk) 19:19, 25 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yes Done --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 21:05, 25 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, I just changed the banner in the upcoming section. One more thing, if we don't want two American articles on the Main Page at the same time (maybe doesn't matter too much in this situation?), Scuba diving and Buffalo-Pittsburgh Highway could switch places in the schedule. What do you think, Andre? --Ypsilon (talk) 09:38, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
We need to remember the reason why we've decided not to feature Portland next month in the first place: not because we feel the protests pose any grave danger to travellers (at least those with any common sense) but because of the perception among our readers. Given that, I think it's obvious that Portland should be delayed until next year at the earliest. The riots may be over by October, but they'll still be fresh in the public's mind. The awkwardness needs more than three months to dissipate. Buffalo-Pittsburgh Highway was intentionally scheduled to take advantage of peak autumn foliage in the northeastern U.S. and needs to stay in the slot it currently occupies. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 13:02, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Noted, but let's see whether you're right about public perceptions nearer the time.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:08, 26 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Bergen (Germany)
Blurb: Best known for the nearby Nazi-era concentration camp, Bergen also has attractions related to other eras all the way back to prehistory (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: May-Sep (aiming for Aug 2021)
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 18:28, 18 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I recently updated the listings to make this a replacement for Clausthal-Zellerfeld as August's OtBP.
Nomination
The "listings" in Do are the stopping points of a walking itinerary, half of them listed in See, and the rest perhaps aren't important enough for a listing on their own. There's not more information available on the particular pub, but it seems to be the only one left in town. A few others were listed in the article, and also visible in Openstreetmap and Google Maps but according to GM they have apparently closed down recently, almost certainly due to the pandemic. --Ypsilon (talk) 11:15, 19 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Fair enough. Support. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 19:46, 20 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Functionalist architecture in Finland
Blurb: Functionalism became a popular style among Finnish architects a century ago and the country is one of the best destinations to admire these simple, streamlined and often white buildings. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any, really. May-Sep would be weather-wise the best time to visit, suggesting for Aug 2021
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 18:01, 9 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Maybe we could showcase our readers some architecture in August instead?
Nomination
Yes, it's the third Nordic FTT, but also the third overall Nordic feature this year and over the last couple of years we've actually had slightly fever Nordic features than average (4 in 2015, 2 each in 2016-17, 3 in 2018, 1 in 2019 and 2 in 2020). The Understand section could perhaps be expanded but we need to make sure the content doesn't stray too far from the topic. --Ypsilon (talk) 17:14, 23 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I just copy edited through the end of the first paragraph of "Background". This article will need to be completely proofread and copy edited before it's run. I think it probably has a lot of directly translated Finnish or Swedish syntax and usage. Ikan Kekek (talk) 23:23, 3 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

July 2021

Place: Cork
Blurb: Pubs, Irish sports and a fort are things awaiting you in Ireland's second city. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Jun-Sep
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 18:53, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Something more for next summer. Europe's second most populous country with English as an official language has been featured in the English Wikivoyage just twice, the last time in 2009 (Kilkenny) and never as DotM (nor FTT), so let's fix that. Speaking of fixing, the article has the content and length for a guide, but it obviously needs to be checked for up-to-datedness and tidied up (the missing geocoordinates need to be added in the process).
Nomination
I now support, as it has been updated. AlasdairW (talk) 18:16, 24 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Was almost certainly promoted to guide status before we had dynamic maps. Will have a look at the issues later (& thanks to Graham and Alasdair for the improvements so far). --Ypsilon (talk) 15:44, 13 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Thank you for adding them! :) --Ypsilon (talk) 16:04, 21 June 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Neuland
Blurb: One of Chaco's Mennonite colonies, there are also some interesting forts nearby to explore. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Apr-Oct from Filadelfia's nomination a few years back (Austral summer is a bit too hot?)
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 22:01, 30 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: During the (Northern Hemisphere) summer months we usually run one article which is neither from Europe nor North America, so maybe this could be the 2021 candidate for that for the OtBP section. Kudos to User:Cmasi for pretty much creating the article in its current shape back in 2017, though closer to the time it's featured it could benefit from a checkthrough to make sure everything is still in business.
Nomination

Place: Trans-Labrador Highway
Blurb: Come with us on a sub-Arctic road adventure past remote coastal fishing communities and endless forests. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Jun-Aug or -Sep probably
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 14:11, 17 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Well, the article is a guide so it should cover the itinerary pretty well, in fact I just had a look at the article history and a lot has been added to the article since it was promoted to guide status in 2017. The article isn't very long, but I guess there isn't so much to write about this long and lonely road. Speaking of long distances, Canada is so big that if Winnipeg goes on the Main Page as DotM on 1 June, we shouldn't have any problems featuring this as FTT on 21 August.
Nomination
Could you identify these issues? It is scheduled to go on the main page in a week. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 16:13, 12 July 2021 (UTC)[reply]

June 2021

Place: Winnipeg
Blurb: Once a fur trading outpost, Canada's Gateway to the west boasts a surprising number of cultural institutions. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: "June, late August and September tend to provide the most pleasant environment for summer visitors."
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 19:30, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: When nominating Hamilton as Quebec City's replacement for July 2020's slot, I had one more Canadian candidate in mind – this one. So why not run it next summer? Winnipeg has the same small issues as Hamilton, up-to-dateness need to be checked, some coordinates need to be added and a couple of more sleeping options would be welcome. And some more photos.
Nomination
Just added the rest of the missing coordinates (events taking place all over the city can't really have coordinates) and some photos (unusually dull selection on Commons I must say). I'd possibly try to go through some review sites for a few more places to sleep worthy of adding to the Sleep section but in general I think I can support Winnipeg for DotM in its current state. --Ypsilon (talk) 20:37, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Visp
Blurb: This town is known as a rail hub and for its chemical plant, but if you step off the train there are still some things to see in Visp. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any? Switzerland is both a summer and winter destination, though I figured there may still be one summer (May-Sep) OtBP slot to fill.
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 15:10, 20 December 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: The article has been a guide since 2016 when a Swiss user thought there's not much more to say about Visp. German WV's article isn't that impressive but there may be some details worth bringing over.
Nomination
  • Comment It looks to me like the Visp Railway Station is on the beaten path but that actually visiting the town may not be, and it's certainly not a big enough draw to merit a DotM feature, so OtBP it is. That said, if there's anything to add from the German-language article, I'd like to see it. It's a very usable article but indeed not that interesting, though if all that's of interest is covered, so be it. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:02, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, to my understanding most remain on the train or change trains (so going beyond the station would be an OtBP thing). De-WV lists some activites that could be added. --Ypsilon (talk) 07:50, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
My point wasn't that it should be DOTM; it was why would we feature somewhere that isn't worth visiting? That should be a consideration when posting any nomination, and the article as it stands does not portray somewhere that anyone would want to visit.
It does look like, from de.wikivoyage, there's considerably more to do there than our article covers, though a lot of it is vaguely "around Visp" without using proper listings or featuring contact details. I'll change my vote to a not yet, pending the addition of more listings, especially See and Do. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 09:57, 3 April 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Some more listings added from German Wikivoyage and German Wikipedia. --Ypsilon (talk) 18:31, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Place: American cuisine
Blurb: Savor the delights of one of the world's most diverse yet underrated culinary traditions. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Usable (as of 13 June 2020)Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any
Nominated by: The dog2 (talk) 20:25, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I know it has not been upgraded to guide yet, but I think it's pretty close to getting there with a few minor fixes (I'd be OK with promoting it as it is now, but there's still some opposition from the community). It's about time we showcase to the world that contrary to media stereotypes, the United States is in fact a worthy culinary tourism destination
Nomination
One year later and the article is scheduled to be featured in 1 month and 10 days but still at usable status. The article is still quite listy, but again, probably a cuisine article can't be comprehensive without lists of dishes. --Ypsilon (talk) 18:36, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I suggest we put it on ice until someone American (maybe André when he comes back) can expand and improve.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 20:54, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It may be the right decision, given that we have many wikivoyagers from America who know what needs to be done and perhaps can make those edits at some point.
Ikan, The dog2 and Mx. Granger, what do you think? --Ypsilon (talk) 12:00, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's probably okay to feature in more or less its current state, though parts of do feel "list-y" and like they're trying to exhaustively catalogue ingredients rather than give travel advice. Certainly there's room for improvement, I guess it's just a question of what standard we want to hold it to. —Granger (talk · contribs) 15:42, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I would certainly like to see this featured some day given that American food is way more diverse than what international stereotypes make it out to be. I know AndreCarrotflower stated his interest in working on this once, but he hasn't got to it yet. I think it's fine to be featured given it's quite extensive, but I'd also be OK slushing it for now until one of our American editors decides to work on it. The dog2 (talk) 17:04, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
It's still only usable, so unless either of you above think that's wrong, then it's currently ineligible to be featured. The standard we hold it to is that of a guide article!--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 17:07, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think it meets the criteria for guide status – I don't see any major omissions. The room for improvement I see is more a question of whether parts of it are too detailed or should be organized or framed differently. —Granger (talk · contribs) 19:37, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
I think it's ready for guide status too, but I respect the views of the community as a whole. The dog2 (talk) 20:16, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Haven't looked at it in a while; it's very long, but I've bumped up to guide. Also, reading it has made me realise I shouldn't have been shocked by the cocktail menu of an Irish bar in upstate NY.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 21:14, 11 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
Anyone familiar with the African American cuisine who feel something important is missing, if yes, please add that. Other than that I think we will be running it in June (as of lately I added back the banner to Wikivoyage:Destination_of_the_month_candidates#Next_changes). --Ypsilon (talk) 19:09, 26 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]

May 2021

Place: Nicosia
Blurb: There are plenty of cultural treasures in the divided capital of Cyprus. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Spring or fall
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 19:54, 6 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Cyprus is another country we haven't featured anything from, and it's after all a notable travel destination (though most visitors head for the beaches). I found this article in a decent shape and I've updated, expanded and otherwise improved it as of lately.
Nomination

Place: Crawford (Nebraska)
Blurb: Once a wild and rowdy frontier town, the nearby Fort Robinson is today a museum and there are many natural attractions nearby. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: The place really has continental climate, per climate-data.org, so summer but maybe not mid-summer. I'd say May-Jun or Sep-Oct.
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 21:00, 23 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Here's a nice article from a lesser-traveled corner of the U.S. for the early fall 2020. I guess there's nothing in this small town that's not already in the article (I added some coords a while ago and checked that everything was still in business).
Nomination
One cannot expect too much of a town of 1000 inhabitants, I guess, though the fort has an article in WP, perhaps there's something interesting we could bring over. --Ypsilon (talk) 19:21, 14 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not yet. I would support it but there really should be more prose about the places to see. While listings are helpful and needed in our travel articles, most of our guide-status articles include prose in each section that describes the overall quality and style of the points of interest in the city. Without that information, this may well be a guide article, but not a DotM-worthy article. The fact that climate data — which ought to be in an article that's a destination of the month/off the beaten path — has be retrieved from outside the website itself shows that this article hasn't yet reached main page-worthy status. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 15:02, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Added some climate info and a little more about the fort, which is apparently the attraction. --Ypsilon (talk) 18:15, 10 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Outcome - OtBP for May 2021.

Place: Stockholm history tour
Blurb: A 1000 year stroll from the Viking Age through the Nobel Prize and the rise of a world-leading scene for technology and pop music. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: May to August
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 22:02, 24 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Slussen and Norrmalm became more walkable by the end of 2020. As we just had some Nordic destinations, this article might as well wait for 2021.
Nomination
I don't think there's anything we'd need delete. There are some listings whose descriptions are just one line long so those could be expanded if possible. --Ypsilon (talk) 10:09, 12 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
During spring 2021, an archaeological excavation will take place at Södermalmstorg, at the beginning of the journey. It is likely to reveal ruins and artifacts from the Middle Ages in plain sight, until the new city square is built on top. /Yvwv (talk) 11:50, 5 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Needs a bit of work - this fantastic article is not really an itinerary, because it doesn't have directions from one POI to the next. With just those, I'd be ready to support, but a couple of minor things to improve: 'Prepare' seems a bit short; perhaps it could talk about weather and season (or at least direct you to the right part of the city article), what you should wear (including footwear), whether you should expect to cross lots of roads, whether there are any access issues for people with mobility problems, whether there are alternatives to walking (cycling, public transport?).--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 20:49, 29 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Outcome - FTT for May 2021. --Ypsilon (talk) 16:55, 22 May 2021 (UTC)[reply]


April 2021

Place: Prambanan
Blurb: Although far from intact, Prambanan is one of Java's great template complexes showcasing the building skills of the Mataram Kingdom. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: from the climate table in WP for Yogyakarta Apr-Oct seem to make up the dry season
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 18:53, 30 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Sections below See are quite short. But this is an archaeological park so Eat, Drink and Sleep aren't that important I guess. But the few listings should be googled to check that they still exist. Nearby Yogyakarta was DotM in October 2006, Borobudur in May 2012.
Nomination
Yes Done --Ypsilon (talk) 16:22, 29 March 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Simpelveld
Blurb: Would you believe you can find two monasteries, a sarcophagus, and a steam railway in this little Dutch town? (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: May-Sep
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 18:24, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Time to start thinking about next summer's OtBPs too, don't you think? We have a great coverage of the small towns villages in the southeasternmost corner of the Netherlands, many of the articles are guides. I picked Simpelveld because it lacked coordinates, and by adding them using Google Maps I automatically could update the article (the monastery not open to visitors as of 2015 had been turned into a museum, a pizzeria had moved and a café closed) - two useful task in the same time. Should be good to go now.
Nomination
  • Support as nominator. --Ypsilon (talk) 18:24, 25 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment. I do like seeing places that are definitely off the beaten path come by, though for Simpelveld's case, I feel like some things are lacking. I am anything but familiar with the town or its surroundings, but I know for a fact that there is quite a rich Roman history around the town, at least containing two or three villae. I'm not sure how accessible these are to the public, but they might be worth including, especially since Southern Limburg around Heerlen is rather dense with Roman activity. I'll see what I can find and add over the coming few weeks. -- Wauteurz (talk) 12:33, 31 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
As amazing as it would have been to add on something about this, the five confirmed villae around Simpelveld (two around the town itself, three more around Bocholtz), as well as the two villae around Ubachsberg are not visible and are preserved in situ, meaning the remnants (if they still exist) are preserved underground where they were found. Moreover, I believe all of them are only partially excavated to begin with, so the likelihood of them being incorporated into the public space as a monument or something the likes is very small at this time. To be fair, there's plenty of visible remnants (Click "adjust view settings" in the lower right and select "Visible sites") of Roman activity around the (former) Rhine and in Limburg, but for this article, none of them are worth including. -- Wauteurz (talk) 13:05, 31 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, though not of the strongest kind. I feel like the article is a bit short and doesn't list that much. That's not wrong per se though. Simpelveld definitely has more interesting things to offer than some Dutch cities, so it definitely has potential if you'd ask me. It could do with some more text and somewhat more appealing images though. -- Wauteurz (talk) 13:05, 31 October 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. A good introductory two paragraphs in the "understand" section followed by a number of choices for places to go along with restaurants. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 17:21, 8 November 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Place: The Wire Tour
Blurb: Are you a fan of the TV-series The Wire? Then this grand tour of filming locations all over Baltimore is definitely something for you. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: according to Baltimore's DotM nomination Mar-May or Sep-Nov (midsummer is very hot and muggy)
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 14:13, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I'm not familiar with these tv series either, but the article is at guide status, looks pretty extensive and has many static maps. If you're familiar with the series and notice the article needs improvement, by all means go ahead and do so. It was mostly written back in the Wikitravel days ten years ago, but itineraries doesn't get old in the same way that destination articles do.
Nomination
  • Support as nominator. Ypsilon (talk) 14:13, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support: Looks outstanding. I'm not sure why (as it seems) no-one has nominated this for Star. Ikan Kekek (talk) 14:38, 13 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I haven't seen the series, as it only had very limited airing in the UK, but it looks a good article. However, the itinerary is not likely to mean much to readers who haven't seen most of the series. The Wire was first on air over ten years ago. It is regularly repeated on major TV channels? Has it been shown much outside North America? Otherwise I think that we may be nearly 10 years too late in featuring this. AlasdairW (talk) 23:08, 18 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Half a year ago we ran Seinfeld Tour, whose last episode aired in 1998, so I don't think it'd be a problem. Also, the series are very likely available online. Ypsilon (talk) 23:17, 18 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

March 2021

Place: Oaxaca (city)
Blurb: A colorful colonial city, Oaxaca also retains some of its pre-Columbian heritage. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Nov-Apr is the dry season
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 13:18, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Time for another of StellarD's Mexican articles. A while back I added a couple of coordinates, photos from Commons and some other stuff. Should be good to go sometime next winter.
Nomination
  • Support as nominator. --Ypsilon (talk) 13:18, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • In case anyone hasn't heard, there was a 7.7-magnitude earthquake today centered in Oaxaca state and an associated tsunami warning. Reports are sketchy at the moment but indicate widespread structural damage and at least one death (and probably many more than that). I had this article tentatively scheduled for a March 2021 DotM feature; let's stay tuned as we may have to scuttle that. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 19:01, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Unfortunately, I think rescheduling may be necessary, and tragically, in a city with historical architecture that wasn’t built to resist earthquakes, many important points of interest may be damaged or destroyed. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 19:06, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Let's wait for a day or two, by then there are more news reports available about the impact. If many sights have been damaged, then I agree we shouldn't run the article. --Ypsilon (talk) 19:35, 23 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Here is a report from the city government of Oaxaca City. 41 buildings are reported to be "damaged" in some way, including five historical buildings (are the four religious buildings mentioned later part of these five?). Luckily the epicenter was a bit away from Oaxaca City, at the coast, and as the city government hasn't written anything more about the quake on their websites' press release section I assume it didn't affect the city so badly after all. --Ypsilon (talk) 17:05, 29 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Porto da Cruz
Blurb: Particularly great for surfers and hikers, this village on Madeira's backside surprisingly also boasts some industrial heritage. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any, but Northern winter and early spring is the high season
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 18:54, 25 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Given how many (European) visitors travel to the Canary Islands and Madeira to escape the winter, how is it possible that we've never featured anything from this corner of the world!? This is another article that was in a decent shape when I found it and have been improving and updating it little by little, adding things like geo coordinates and a couple of places that wasn't listed. I'd say everything about this village is mentioned in the article now.
Nomination

Place: Czech phrasebook
Blurb: Planning a visit to Prague's old town, Plzen's breweries or maybe the Ore mountains? Czech out this phrasebook and learn some useful phrases for your trip! (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 19:09, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Early in the year we traditionally run a phrasebook as FTT. Here's one of our complete phrasebooks (with everything translated and transcribed). I just added some photos to give it a bit life.
Nomination
Hardcore Sprache? --Ypsilon (talk) 04:37, 18 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

February 2021

Place: Colombo
Blurb: Sri Lanka's largest city is a lively place and a stepping stone to the rest of the island. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: per the climate chart Dec-Mar, Jun-Aug
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 20:30, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Sri Lanka is the last South Asian country from where we've never featured anything. The article for Colombo was, like many articles from that corner of the world, informative but a bit disorganized and lacking coordinates, so I took care of that a while ago. Would make a nice (Northern Hemisphere) winter feature.
Nomination
To do list

From the article's talk page and this discussion:

  • District numbers
  • Slave Island
  • Rail transport
  • Gem shopping - ?
  • Understand
  • Hambantota Airport

--Ypsilon (talk) 18:43, 14 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Belgrave
Blurb: This lively, little town in the middle of a beautiful forest has such a sense of community you'll feel it's your home. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: November - February months are warm and nice, although the Lantern Festival is in Winter
Nominated by: CupcakePerson13
Comment: It has many different places and activities listed and things to do. There haven't been many featured articles from Australia recently, this one would be great. Belgrave hasn't been featured before and only has recently been upgraded to a guide, so has never had the chance to be featured despite how much information there is out there about the place. It has some history in understand but there could be more.
Nomination
  • Close - I'm impressed by how quickly CupcakePerson13 has filled out this article. There may seem like a lot of items on the following list of things to improve, but they're all small jobs and as Selfie City stated on Talk:Belgrave, realistically this won't be featured for several months to a year, so there's plenty of time for fixes:
  • 'Eat' section doesn't make it clear whether there is a range of 'Budget', 'Mid-range' and 'Splurge' options, so those headings would be helpful.
  • I agree the 'Understand' section could do with more info, and not just history, but stuff about the current town's character, its people, climate etc.
  • 'Get in' and 'Get around' seem a bit bare on details; train prices and distances from central Melbourne would be good for 'Get in', while 'Get around' could have more info on the buses (routes, tickets, map) and cycling (bike rental available?).
  • Lastly, the article needs at least three more high quality photos of things which aren't Puffing Billy. Cute though he may be, it'd be nice to see other parts of the town, different landmarks etc.

All in all, a pleasant read. If I ever went to Australia, it would certainly be Melbourne, and I'd be sure to do a trip out to Belgrave while I was there.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 11:23, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Yes Done CupcakePerson13, as the climate statistics are not in Belgrave itself, let me know if they are substantially different from Belgrave's climate. Probably a description of the climate would also be helpful. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 14:16, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Very close I had an Australian article in mind to nominate for OtBP for a month in the first half of 2021, but having a freshly written article is much better. For such a small town, I don't think the Understand section needs to be longer but you're of course free to expand it if you like. The article looks quite OK; for its size there seem to be surprisingly many places to eat and drink in Belgrave. And I too think it could be nice with some more photos of something else than trains and rail infrastructure (the only type of photos on Commons). In the case CupcakePerson13 happens to be a local and have a camera on hand it would be very nice if they could help out. --Ypsilon (talk) 16:07, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not yet, but getting close. A lot of good work has been done in the last few days. It needs some other pictures - if no others are available File:1000 Steps, Kokoda Track Memorial Walk, Dandenong Ranges National Park.jpg might do. By train needs some more info on the station and trains, it could link to w:Belgrave railway station, which suggests that By bus is also a way of getting in. I would like to see details of some of the forest walks that appear to be possible from here - would I be better on the Hillclimb Track or Coles Ridge Track?. Earthly Pleasures is listed in both drink and connect with identical listings. There should be links to Dandenong Ranges and the nearby suburb of Lysterfield, which might be merged in, and it would be good for Go next to have some links to other articles - tempt a main page reader to explore the rest of the Yarra Valley or southeast Victoria. AlasdairW (talk) 20:53, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Close but not quite echoing others' reasoning. Excellent work so far, though, CupcakePerson13. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 22:00, 5 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Travel photography/Full systems
Blurb: Are you planning to become more serious about your photographing with lens sets, tripods and all, but are wondering where to start? Check out this guide for some useful advice! (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Anytime
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 12:39, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: A comprehensive article that I promoted to guide recently. Pashley has improved the article even more since.
Nomination
  • Support as nominator. --Ypsilon (talk) 12:39, 9 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support Pashley (talk) 22:59, 10 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support It could be improved with a better introduction and a couple of photos of basic full system cameras at the start. When this is featured on the main page, it will be read by people who have only taken a photo with a phone. It is unfortunate that WP and Commons structure their articles differently so this article has its own Wikidata page, and hence no links to get more info. For an article about photography it is surprisingly short of photos. AlasdairW (talk) 23:04, 23 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment Why isn't it linked to Q209871, "System camera"? Because there is no such article on en-wp? Commons:Category:System cameras is still linked to that item (and its parent item "camera" is the main item), while our Q15077465 "Full travel photography systems" is orphan. Why have a separate "travel" specification? All our articles are about travel. Should those two simply be merged? We could also create a gallery page on Commons, with any pictures we want. –LPfi (talk) 00:32, 24 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

January 2021

Place: Johor Bahru
Blurb: Many a fun adventure awaits in the fast-growing, multicultural metropolis across the causeway from Singapore! (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: It's about equally wet and warm around the year, but Jan-Feb and Jun-Sep are a bit dryer
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 18:28, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Speaking of articles to run in the winter, this is a very informative article that a contributor User:Chongkian has worked actively on for the last years, so it definitely should be showcased on the Main Page. I just added coordinates to listings that lacked them. Speaking of listings, there are quite many of them so the article perhaps needs to be districtified, perhaps not.
Nomination
  • Support - as said, very informative article (perhaps even too much?) --Ypsilon (talk) 18:28, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - I'm moving house, so my presence on Wikivoyage will be reduced for the next few days to a week, so I likely won't have time to examine this article and register a support/oppose vote until things settle down in my life. However, it's worth noting that Johor Bahru was slushed back in 2013. Though I too have been following Chongkian's diligent work and I imagine most of the article's previous shortcomings have been addressed, it might be worthwhile to review the feedback from its earlier nomination to see where further improvements might be warranted. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 04:10, 29 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Wow... moving is stressful and time-consuming even under normal circumstances without having to worry about yourself or someone close to you getting sick or authorities suddenly shutting down places and restricting movement. Take your time and I hope everything goes well. --Ypsilon (talk) 17:11, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - This article have details of the place. Personally, after reading this article, I've made up my mind to visit this place once I'm in Johor.CyberTroopers (talk) 14:56, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - I once visited this place with User:Chongkian, and I will say that this place is out of ordinary place to visit. So, it is worth it to be placed as Destination of the Month. SNN95 (talk) 22:35, 1 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - Johor Bahru is a very underrated city which no one knows much about it. In reality, the city has been undergoing extreme transformation over the past 10 years with many construction, modernization, clean up efforts are taking place each day. It has now been equally developed throughout its whole area (with many dining, shopping, recreation, night life, sports, culture, history, nature etc), not just at the old city center area along Wong Ah Fook street, that's just probably only 5% of what the city is about today. Chongkian (talk) 09:39, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Very nearly - I have gone through this article with a fine-tooth comb, and most of the issues that were described last time Johor Bahru was nominated have been fixed. I haven't been tracking the changes, but judging by the comments made back in 2013, this has come on leaps and bounds.
The one major thing that remains from before is the article is still quite long. I believe our standards have shifted somewhat since 2013 such that the article would no longer qualify as "too long" (as they said), but having said that, it may be worth considering whether it wouldn't be better to split it into four districts, per the 'Areas' listed near the top. The spread of listings seems fairly even across the city, so there should be enough content for each new article. But I'd love to know what others think about this, particularly Chongkian.
Another thing which needs some attention is that not all of the listings have basic details like opening hours and a brief description; the vast majority do, which is great, but this needs to be consistent, even if a listing has to say "no official opening hours, but generally open at these times..." Some listings which just say "science center" or "Chinese restaurant" either need more detail, or if there's nothing more to say, we should delete them for being too boring.
In an article this good, there are also some nitpicks, which would be nice to fix, but not necessary for featuring:
  • The spelling is all over the place; whether British or American spelling is used seems random, rather than a conscious choice (one particularly jarring listing has "Convention Centre" in its name, but "convention center" a few words later. Just pick one spelling system and use it consistently.
  • I would personally like an introduction to typical local foods at the top of the 'Eat' section, and recommended things to buy at the top of the 'Buy' section.
  • The 'Drink' section mentions a tax-free area (The ZON), which also says you have to pay a customs fee when leaving the area. How much is this fee? Does it offset any saving you make on the drinks, or is the "duty free' schtick basically just a con to get you to spend more?
  • There are a lot of listings without an official website linked. Where a venue has a site or a social media account, this should be listed.
All in all, an excellent article, well-written, and the fact the main author is a local is obvious (in a very good way). If I ever visit the region again, I'll be sure to check out Johor Bahru! Hope my feedback is constructive.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 14:49, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support - It's a well-written article, with a lot of local knowledge going to it. I'll be sure to try to squeeze in a trip across the border the next time I go back to Singapore, and I'd certainly recommend visitors to Singapore to hop across the border too if they have the time. The dog2 (talk) 02:09, 26 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Torres del Paine National Park
Blurb: Iconic mountain formations, glaciers, lakes and grasslands await you in this national park at the southern end of the Americas. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Austral summer (Northern winter)
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 20:28, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Dropping another (Northern Hemisphere) winter article here. It was in a pretty good shape (and has been regularly updated by new users) so I took the liberty of promoting it to guide status a while ago after adding some coords.
Nomination
Yes Done --Ypsilon (talk) 20:20, 4 January 2021 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Driving in Norway
Blurb: With many remote attractions and scenic roads, driving in Norway is not necessarily only a way to get off the beaten path in Norway but can be an experience in itself. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Summer probably, though Norway is also popular for winter sports so winter isn't entirely unthinkable
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 15:39, 28 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: One of the best, if not the best driving article we haven't featured yet. It's probably not going to be featured before this time next year at earliest, but it's one of the articles I've really wanted to nominate for a long time (and before someone else nominates a "driving in" article in which case this would have to wait yet another year). It's definitely a comprehensive article, but the layout with tables and photos looks a bit weird here and there. Maybe we can also turn some of the many bullet points into normal paragraphs of text.
Nomination

2020

December 2020

Place: Dunedin
Blurb: Late 19th-century architecture, student life, and a scenic coastline await you in this New Zealand city with a proud Scots heritage and the world's steepest street! (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: maybe Nov-Mar, according to table in w:Dunedin#Climate
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 18:48, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I'm starting to think about next Northern Hemisphere winter's featured articles and here's a nice one from New Zealand. The article was very comprehensive but many listings lacked coordinates, and as I added them, other voyagers (especially AlasdairW but others also) noticed work was being done on the article and helped out expanding the article making it even better.
Nomination

Place: New Smyrna Beach
Blurb: It's best known as a haven for surfers, but this beachside city on Florida's "Fun Coast" also boasts first-rate wildlife spotting and a thriving if under-the-radar arts community. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: winter per Wikivoyage talk:Destination of the month candidates#Discussion from Quebec City's nomination
Nominated by: --Comment by Selfie City (talk
Comment: This has already been discussed at the link above, but I feel it's now about the appropriate time to nominate for OTBP. The reasoning provided there is that this is a good opportunity to feature a U.S. destination during the winter, rather than summer, which is when most Northern Hemisphere destinations are featured. I plan to continue improving this article, but I think it is either in or is close to a state in which it can be nominated for OTBP.
Nomination

Place: On the trail of Kipling's Kim
Blurb: Come crisscross the northern British Raj with the scrappy little orphan boy from Rudyard Kipling's famous adventure novel. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Northern Hemisphere winter maybe?
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 19:09, 17 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: It's been a while since we featured something from India. An interesting itinerary, mostly written by Pashley that until recently lacked instructions for voyaging the route today. But I took care of that some time ago with the help of Indian Railways' website, so I think the article is ready for the Main Page.
Nomination

November 2020

Place: Arequipa
Blurb: Peru's second city (and the world's alpaca capital) is not only surrounded by volcanoes – the lovely Spanish colonial architecture in the old town is largely built of volcanic rock! (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any (almost the same weather around the year), but schedule-wise optimal during Northern Hemisphere winter
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 19:18, 1 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Let's feature an article from Peru on the Main Page again! I cleaned up the article and ran listings through Google Maps a while back with the intention of nominating it for DotM.
Nomination
  • Support as nominator. --Ypsilon (talk) 19:18, 1 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, though does need some work of course. Having only looked at the first sections, it strikes me that the 'Get in - By bus' section is beautifully detailed (though will need checking to verify prices / companies' continued existence), but the other subsections could do with filling out a bit. In 'Understand', it says "In the winter it is warmer than in the summer", which strikes me as unusual, and could do with elaboration. I have added a couple of hidden comments about ambiguous prices too: a few stray $ signs where it's not clear whether we're talking soles or U.S. dollars; the price of Excluciva buses.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 20:26, 3 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Sol is one of the few currencies in the Americas not using the "dollar sign", but the rather weird "S/.". And as in developing countries in general, and the Americas in particular, I've understood USD is widely used for expensive purchases and goods and services used by tourists. --Ypsilon (talk) 17:10, 4 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, so it probably means dollars then. But I don't think mixing and matching is especially helpful. Perhaps all prices could be given in soles, with approximate dollar conversion in brackets? Or would people paying in dollars actually be paying more, either due to the exchange rate burden on locals or because foreigners are assumed to be able to afford it? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 19:04, 4 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
No idea, but in developing countries it's not uncommon that tourists are expected to pay in hard currency (and often also a higher price even if in the same currency, I've run into this in many Indian articles for example) and places mostly catering to foreign tourists often have their prices listed in USD (for instance Holiday Inn in Montevideo had this policy in 2014, and if you wanted to pay in pesos, the price was calculated according to the exchange rate of the day). Uruguay is certainly not a developing country, though, but a bit poorer than Western European countries (GDP per capita on par with Hungary and Latvia), but they do seem have a high inflation so... Ypsilon (talk) 19:48, 4 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed. Still, we have some ridiculously well-travelled individuals here who may shed some light on the specific situation in Peru.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 19:54, 4 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Granger? --Ypsilon (talk) 20:12, 4 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I have a vague feeling that some hotel rates might have been in dollars in Peru, but I don't think I paid for anything in dollars. I remember being warned specifically not to use dollars to pay tips on the Inca Trail. Overall I have the feeling dollars were less used in Peru than in Uruguay, but I didn't spend that much time in Peru and it was a while ago so I'm not sure. I have a friend who spent a few months in Peru (mostly Lima and the Sacred Valley) - I'll ask what he thinks. —Granger (talk · contribs) 00:13, 5 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
My friend said at least in Lima and Cusco you can get dollars from ATMs (like in Uruguay). But he thinks not as many prices are listed in dollars as in Uruguay, and it's not that common to pay in dollars in Peru – touristy places in Cusco accept dollars, but at a bad exchange rate. —Granger (talk · contribs) 13:18, 6 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Iriomote
Blurb: One of the few remaining great wildernesses of Japan, whose jungles are famous for their native wild cats. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Oct-Apr, perhaps. Yaeyama Islands#Climate says the archipelago is a "popular winter getaway"
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 14:40, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: One of our many guide articles from Japan, and updated by Douglaspperkins some months ago. Was already a guide so I guess the article is good to go.
Nomination
We've been featuring Chicago districts two years apart uncontroversially, and dive sites in South Africa at the same interval. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 20:56, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
(edit conflict) I don't think it's a problem, as there have been so many years between them (Yonaguni was DotM in March 2006 so this would be our third feature from there) and we've been featuring articles (districts and itineraries) from the same city within with two years between them. --Ypsilon (talk) 21:00, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
OK, considered and resolved. Thanks, guys. Ikan Kekek (talk) 21:40, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Aviation history
Blurb: The past, present and future of flying are ready to explore at a multiplicity of museums and events the world over. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 10:30, 2 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Here's a flying article from a little different perspective. The article is quite extensive, and at the talk page there was even a suggestion to split it up by region. I do think the article could be featured in its current form, but I wouldn't be protesting if others would want to split it up. The event list was a little short, so I added some more of them, but as there are so many airshows around the world (though many scheduled for 2020 have been canceled or postponed for a certain reason...) I think we should include just the very biggest ones.
Nomination

October 2020

Place: Tel Aviv
Blurb: More than just a haven for beach bums and party animals, Israel's pulsating and liberal seaside metropolis boasts cultural attractions aplenty and a UNESCO-listed cornucopia of Midcentury Modern architecture. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Oct-May (summer would be too hot, I think)
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 19:33, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Just upgraded this one to guide. The article looks comprehensive, the districts are all usable and many listings have been updated recently by Grahamsands. The See section in the main article is a bit unusual with bulleted lists and coordinates for the top attractions. If needed, it shouldn't take very long to turn it into normal text.
Nomination
Yes Done --Ypsilon (talk) 17:55, 24 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Nkhata Bay
Blurb: Lake Malawi is what this little village is all about: laying on the beach, diving, feeding fish eagles, tucking into a meal of fish, watching the sunset. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: May-Nov
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 19:21, 14 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Wow, there's soon been 5 full years since I translated and cleaned up this little article. So while it probably covers most of what the village has to offer (or did in January 2015) it's possibly to outdated and could use some updates closer to the time we run it. Also some POIs have been added afterwards that need coordinates.
Nomination
  • Conditional support - needs those updates, probably best a few months or weeks before it will be featured. Ypsilon (talk) 19:21, 14 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I had the same concern as Ypsilon has had when I looked at the article history. However, may I ask: who is going to do the updates? Unless someone is planning to visit the town, I'm unaware of any regular editors from that region who could make the necessary updates at the right time. (I'm not sure it's as simple as checking each business for a two reasons: 1) there are other parts of the article that may need updating and 2) some businesses might not have an online presence. I understand that this is a problem everywhere, but without local editors, this could be a problem. My current vote would be not yet, although I would love to see this article featured if it were possible. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 16:34, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Online checking of content can take articles surprisingly far. --Ypsilon (talk) 16:44, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Online checkup Yes Done. --Ypsilon (talk) 18:32, 21 September 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Budget travel
Blurb: Want to go on a trip but without breaking the bank? Check out this guide for some tips to cut your travel expenses! (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 18:48, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Quite extensive article, some time ago I added some photos and upgraded it to guide. Can't come to think of anything important missing.
Nomination
  • Support as nominator. Ypsilon (talk) 18:48, 24 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not yet On a quick read, I did think that it was lacking in some areas. There is no mention of volunteering activities, which can sometimes be arranged with free accommodation or travel in exchange for a few hours helping. "Earn" doesn't say anything about the legal side of working away from home, maybe in a foreign country. Choosing a slightly different destination can have a major impact on costs - visit Manchester not London, Buffalo not New York etc. If you have a medical condition, the savings in health insurance can balance higher travel costs if you visit a country where you can use state hospitals. AlasdairW (talk) 00:28, 28 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not yet per Alasdair. Quality-wise, it's perfect, as any article that Ypsilon has "upgraded" would be, but the subject hasn't been fully covered. Also, following the same logic which only lets us have one phrasebook or cuisine every so often, there should be a fair gap between the current FTT, Flying on a budget, and this.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 21:26, 29 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not yet per AlasdairW's accurate description of a major problem in the "earn" section, which should, considering the topic, be much more detailed assuming we keep this section (and I think we should). Close following AlasdairW's edits. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 21:20, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I have added a couple of sentences on the paperwork for working, but this could be expanded. I have also added a short "Volunteer" paragraph. AlasdairW (talk) 20:22, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! I've upgraded my vote from "not yet" to "close." --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 21:20, 11 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]

September 2020

Place: Bruges
Blurb: ...whose charming cobblestone streets and centuries-old Gothic buildings both attest to a glorious past and serve as fodder for a modern-day cultural renaissance. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: May-Sep
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 17:12, 1 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: If I counted correctly, in the DotM section I think we have articles up to April 2021, so next it's time to start to think about next summer's articles. Every summer we've traditionally featured at least one article from "Central Western Europe", so it's interesting that when it comes to Belgium we've only ever featured Ad's Path but no destination, so let's fix that.

Bruges was at guide status and otherwise in a quite good shape (it's always a good sign that practically all listings have coordinates), and a few weeks ago I expanded Understand with some history from other language versions, and now restaurants are grouped into price categories; those could still use some checkup (for example one of the more expensive restaurants with is described as having "very reasonable prices") though nothing big... As usual it can be useful to run everything through Google maps to see if everything is still in business a month before we run it.
Nomination
@AlasdairW: Thanks for the website! That one looks really helpful, along with this one specifically regarding coronavirus information in the city. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 21:53, 8 August 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Alcamo
Blurb: Set among vineyards and beaches and with a jam-packed festival calendar built with the pious Catholic visitor in mind, this Sicilian town's long history has been influenced by Greek, Roman and (above all) Arab culture. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: The Understand section basically says "anytime". Climate-wise I think fall or spring are optimal for locations in southernmost Europe.
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 19:21, 14 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: This amazing work by Pugliesig should've been on the Main Page long ago.
Nomination
  • Very close - some See listings have short descriptions. Also many the listings seem to have been added in 2015, so this article too could have its listings run through e.g. Google Maps a few months or weeks before we put it on the Main Page. --Ypsilon (talk) 19:21, 14 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Almost. Some more coordinates would be useful on some listings, especially in #Get around. I'm also not sure that it's standard practice to have listings for emergency services, etc. in #Stay safe. Otherwise, though, let's see if we can get this one to feature quality. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 16:02, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Almost - aside from the issues mentioned by Ypsilon (I've dealt with the list of emergency services, keeping those which a visitor could conceivably need and removing the rest), the written English needs a bit of attention. If it was translated from Italian, I can see the translator's workings, so to speak.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 15:08, 5 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Buffalo-Pittsburgh Highway
Blurb: Come along on a road trip through Rust Belt history on the 1920s-era auto trail dubbed "America's Great Industrial Broadway". (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Northern Hemisphere summer or autumn, preferably the latter
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:17, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: So I realize nominating an article in advance of reaching Guide status, rather than after the fact, isn't how we normally go about things with DotM. But we have a bit of an unusual situation here with regards to timing.

Finally - finally - I'm only a few days away from being completely finished updating our Buffalo content, after which I plan to reorganize the districts breakdown and we can finally have a Buffalo district article as DotM or OtBP, likely in summer 2021, by which time it will have been over four years since Buffalo had last appeared on the Main Page (Historic Churches of Buffalo's East Side was our March 2017 FTT). However, if we're to feature the Buffalo-Pittsburgh Highway in the autumn to take advantage of peak foliage (as I suggested we ought to), that leaves us with a rather narrow window in which to do that: we can either rush the nomination in time to make the schedule grid for September or October 2020, or else wait all the way until 2022. (Using as precedent Turku and King's Road, the latter a multi-city itinerary on which Turku was one of the stops, I'm okay with the idea of violating the "two years between featuring the same city" rule in that case, but would still prefer not to feature both in the same year.)

I hope that any concerns can be assuaged with the knowledge that this article has, in only a month's time, gone from being a bare-bones outline to nearly 137KB in length and by my estimation roughly two-thirds to three-quarters complete, and I expect to finish it before the beginning of summer 2020, let alone autumn. If you'd prefer to hold off on voting yea or nay until after that happens, that would be fine, but in advancing this nominee now I wanted to at least make sure Buffalo-Pittsburgh Highway got on the schedule grid in 2020 before we ran out of available slots.
Nomination
Ground Zero - The History section, along with all the other empty sections, are for the most part already extant, albeit in outline form and <!-- hidden from view -->. What I've been doing over the past month and am almost finished with is the real hard work of the article, researching tourist POIs and rehashing historical information about each town along the line. Once that's done, it's just a simple matter of converting bullet points to ordinary prose. I nominated the article now because I intend to place it on the September 2020 row of the schedule grid, which will be added when the next FTT goes on the Main Page on the 21st. As I said, I project the article will be complete in short order, though 10 days is pushing the envelope, I think. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:57, 11 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Conditional support - except for some redlinks here and there, the description of the route itself looks good, and when the rest of the article is developed to the same level (or close to it) I'm happy to support the article.
Side note: there was actually more than two years between Turku (OtBP June 2015) and King's Road (FTT July 2017) - even if the two year limit starts from the last day Turku was on the Main Page before being replaced by July 2015's OtBP. --Ypsilon (talk) 15:46, 26 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Conditional support along with Ypsilon, per removal of red links and a complete article with all sections filled with useful content. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 15:17, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • It seems like there's some confusion regarding the presence of redlinks in an article vis-à-vis its fitness to be featured as DotM/OtBP/FTT. The only instance where this is true is in the case of Country, Region, or Huge City articles, for whom every article below it in the breadcrumb hierarchy (subregions, city districts) as well as all places listed in the "Cities" and "Other destinations" section must be Usable or better in order for the article to attain Guide status. But an itinerary article by definition has nothing below it in the breadcrumb hierarchy, and there's never been any proscription against redlinks that merely appear in inline text. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 19:49, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah, it's not a big deal. I thought that a guide article was not allowed to have redlinks, or at least for sure that featured articles wasn't allowed to have redlinks. It also raises the question, "Why do those not have articles?" but then, they may be small villages. If they're just villages, IMHO, they don't need links at all. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 21:53, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I looked at it two days ago, before the 'Prepare' and 'Stay safe' sections had any content. Now that they've also been filled out, I can support this nomination. Considering most of it has been written since February, that's really good work.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:21, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as this is now a good, detailed, well-developed article. Every destination along the road includes information that keeps the reader interested, wanting more, and while the red links I mentioned are still present, that's not the fault of this article, but the fact that no-one has created those articles yet. In fact, in some cases, if articles are started for those destinations, they could use content from this one with no harm done! --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 20:32, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Has the rest of the article developed to the same level as the route? Yes, definitely. So, as I promised, I'm happy to support the article. Ypsilon (talk) 20:37, 25 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. I won't be able to read the whole article today, but I feel like that's not the point. It seems like an article to read in sections before each segment you drive, and since what I've already read is impressive and comprehensive like other articles mostly written by AndreCarrotflower, I have full confidence in the rest of it, though I'll skip through it a little now. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:54, 26 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • I have made some minor changes to the article, and raised some questions on the talk page. The only concern that I think really should be addressed before this can go ahead as a featured article is the use of red text. I think we should find a better way of achieving what Andre is trying to do here. But this is just a formatting issue that I'm sure we can work out. Ground Zero (talk) 12:45, 28 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as the issue raised above has been addressed. Ground Zero (talk) 14:16, 11 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

August 2020

Place: York
Blurb: Whether marveling at the world's foremost example of Gothic cathedral architecture or just walking the ancient streets where the Romans, Angles and Vikings once trod, the old Northern English capital is a medievalist's delight. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Star (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any, but recommend back half of year: 1 Aug is Yorkshire day, Sept has the highest concentration of major events, and there are also lots of pre-Christmas festivities. The weather may be poor in Nov/Dec, but the atmosphere is magical and nobody visits northern England for the weather anyway.
Nominated by: ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 18:37, 10 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: One of England's most-visited cities, so deserves a crack at the main page - this would be the first time a British city had been DOTM since Manchester in 2015. I have been working on this one pretty solidly since September, so hope you all like it. Work is 95% complete, with the only issues which still need to be resolved being: a lot more images are needed, the lede needs a rewrite, plus anything which comes up in comments here. My blurb (above) probably needs work as well.
Nomination
Thank you for your support and for trying so hard to find faults ;-) I definitely haven't finished adding photos, it's just that finding good quality ones which are suitable takes time.
About the airports, generally I don't put co-ordinates for locations not in or near the place covered in the article. Plus the IATA code links to the article which covers the airport in detail. Do you still think I should put in the co-ords? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 16:37, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I have a habit of adding geo locations of important airports and other stations so that the traveller can visualize on the map where they will end up (relative to points of interest, hotels etc.) when they step off the vehicle. Do as you like. ϒψιλον (talk) 17:06, 12 February 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Apia
Blurb: Samoa's sleepy capital was home to Robert Louis Stevenson in the last years of his life, and today is home to colorful markets and a deep marine reserve. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Apr-Oct is the drier part of the year
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 19:47, 6 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Another one of the articles that have been on my nomination bucket list for a long time. It was already guide and as you can see in the article history I've updated some stuff as of lately.
Nomination
That makes sense. It would be useful, if possible, to get the opinion of someone who's been to the city, but I can understand that that might not be possible. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 16:18, 4 April 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Following a second review of the article, I now vote support as it seems good enough to be nominated in a short time, while also featuring a destination from one of the regions that is underrepresented in the DotM schedule. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 14:55, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Scuba diving
Blurb: As Disney's The Little Mermaid taught us: "Darling, it's better down where it's wetter: under the sea." (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 17:44, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Extensive article, at least to someone not familiar with diving. Peter and Graham worked extensively on the article a few months ago, and could probably help if there's something important missing.
Nomination
  • Support as nominator. --Ypsilon (talk) 17:44, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Why not? Pretty extensive even to divers, but the non-diver's eye could spot things we would miss. I will give it another read and keep a lookout for any recommendations, queries, errors and omissions. • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 18:16, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, largely per User:Pbsouthwood. I think his support vote largely confirms that this should be used as a featured travel topic in the future. The article's formatting style is a little overwhleming, but that should not affect an FTT choice that is good otherwise. Some country sections are a little thin, but I think there's probably not too much to say for some countries, so the article is good and appropriate for the nomination. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 20:47, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, but there is room for improvement. I have never dived, so I don't know how accurate the article is, but it looks good. The table of contents is non-standard - a FTT may be the first article that a reader sees on the site, so I would prefer the standard banner TOC. The article is lacking in cost information, "you can expect to pay upwards of US$100 for two dives" in Japan, but how much is it elsewhere? Somebody new to the sport should be able to get an idea of how the costs of a diving trip would compare to skiing. The country information is a little thin, and doesn't really give enough to choose a shortlist of countries to investigate, maybe the Continent introductory paragraphs could have some comparisons in terms of facilities, popularity, price and safety. AlasdairW (talk) 21:36, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    • The article is realistic on the actual topic, without going into a lot of detail as it is not a training manual or an encyclopedia.( I have written those too) Graham pruned a lot of the excess details and we summarised the country listings. Prices should be in the country listings, and even there are highly variable and depend to a large degree on how much gear you rent.
    • Country information is as you say a bit thin, but it is what we have. I have not dived in many countries, and much of the diving I did was not mainstream tourist stuff anyway, so I hesitate to go into much detail where I have no personal experience. It is possible to scrape the net for information and try so sift out the reality from the fluff, but almost everything written on the topic of dive tourism is promotional or written by people who have been there once and have little experience diving at other places to compare. I don't know how much of a problem this should be.
    • If you can make the standard banner TOC work for this, go ahead. • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 05:54, 13 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I should have mentioned myself that I have never dived, either, and thank you for the information. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 21:46, 12 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
If there are things missing you think would be helpful to you as a non-diver, ask on the talk page, they maybe worth including. • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 05:54, 13 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]

July 2020

Place: Hamilton (Ontario)
Blurb: Long known for its steel works, "The Hammer" has shed its Rust Belt image in favor of cultural attractions, specialty shopping, and natural beauty, with more than 100 waterfalls tumbling over the Niagara Escarpment inside the city limits. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: May-Oct
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 21:37, 27 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: As discussed in Quebec City's soon to be slushed nomination, this could be a good replacement.
Nomination
Oops, I completely forgot about this one. Will try to remember to run all listings through google maps and look for some more places to sleep before the article is featured. Ypsilon (talk) 15:09, 9 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]
And now I fixed the things I complained about, still needs some coordinates (not sure if all listings need them, for example the shopping streets and districts) but overall I support the article now. --Ypsilon (talk) 18:19, 15 June 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Faaborg
Blurb: With its iconic medieval clock tower and cobblestone streets, this small Danish village bursts into life in the summer. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Jun-Sep
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 18:53, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: A summer destination for the OtBP section, almost entirely written by Ydrassil whom I welcomed to Wikivoyage a little less than a year ago. So the article should be up to date and it looks like it covers this little town quite well. And there are no major formatting issues.
Nomination
  • Support as nominator. Ypsilon (talk) 18:53, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support because the article includes plenty of options for tourists, from airports in Faaborg#Get in to restaurant listings later in the article. Many listings have quite detailed descriptions. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 13:28, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I have cleaned up the bewildering array of currency notations, and fixed the date and time formatting. More importantly, a featured article should have a good introductory paragraph to draw the reader in. This article had just one sentence. I have expanded it, but not knowing the town, I doubt that I have really captured what makes it place readers should want to visit. Also, there are several deadlinks in the art that should be fixed before it is featured. Ground Zero (talk) 20:05, 4 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks GZ, did you also fix the dead links? I'm down to Do now and have found one so far. Ypsilon (talk) 16:59, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I think I caught all of them... and this is an example of how fast articles go out of date – best to fix it before it's featured rather than almost a year before, because even in small destinations (with short articles) there are things that may change. For the lead section, I think it's good as it is now. --Ypsilon (talk) 18:16, 5 July 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Chinese cuisine
Blurb: Sample a culinary tradition that's rich, ancient, and diverse enough to match the country where it originated. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any
Nominated by: —Granger (talk · contribs) 13:30, 5 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Just promoted to Guide, and nominating as suggested on the talk page. I think this would be our first "cuisine" feature.
Nomination
  • Support as nominator. On a topic like this, there's always more that could be added, but this article gives a solid introduction to the topic and a good survey of well-known dishes. —Granger (talk · contribs) 13:30, 5 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. I agree. Granger and TheDog2 in particular have done great work on this article. Various other people including me have chipped in where we could. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:22, 5 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. On a glance it looks good, presenting different regional cuisines, notable ingredients and dishes and etiquette. Maybe one thing that could be added would be meals and meal times in China — is breakfast in general heavy or light, at what time is dinner usually eaten and such. Or are there big differences between different parts of the country also in this aspect?
I'm not too familiar with Chinese cuisine, but luckily many fellow Wikivoyagers are, and if you'd say the article covers all important parts of Chinese cuisine, then we should definitely present it on the Main Page. Ypsilon (talk) 18:53, 5 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Wuxi spareribs also include sugar. Ikan Kekek (talk) 18:10, 27 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Admittedly, a little more work could perhaps be done to expand on it, and I've tried to add a little more detail myself, but I think it's more or less ready to be featured. And this would also be a good educational article that can showcase the sheer diversity of Chinese cuisine that many Westerners are not aware of (though to be fair, we Asians also tend to make the same types of overgeneralisations about American cuisine). The dog2 (talk) 00:48, 29 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Enthusiastic support. A well-developed article about a cuisine that's way more artful, nuanced, etc. than it's portrayed in Western culture. Thank you to everyone who made this article what it is. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 16:19, 6 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

June 2020

Place: Oslo
Blurb: With a history that stretches back to the Viking Age, Norway's compact capital is best known today for winter sports and sustainable architecture. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Late winter for snow, May for National Day, summer for city-life
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 23:18, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: The only Nordic capital yet to be featured. Lots of buildings finished during recent years. While still one of the world's most expensive cities, the krone has fallen since its record level around 2013 (from 0.18 US$ to 0.12).
Nomination
  • Could do with some work, but otherwise looks like a quite a good nomination. As the previous sentence suggests, I have some fairly minor concerns with nominating this article. But before I get to them, I think we ought to go with summer if possible for this nomination. I can imagine that Oslo is too cold to be enjoyable for tourists during much of the year. Even if it isn't too cold, if we post up Oslo in February on the main page, most people will think that it's cold and they won't want to go there.
Now to the nitty-gritty. When you nominate a huge city article (that is, one with districts underneath it), you are nominating the districts as well as the city article itself. The Oslo Center District article is only at usable status, and while most of the article sections in that district article look fine, the "Do" section has only one listing — one listing. And while "see" makes up for this with a total of 17 listings, the lack of "Do" listings makes it obvious that there are things you can do in downtown Oslo not mentioned in this article. If there are any "see" listings that are actually things to do, then this is not a concern, since we can just move those "see" listings down to the correct section. I also noticed a marker for "Do" that was in the "Get around" section.
The Western Oslo district article has no "Understand" section and is rated at usable; the Inner North, North, Inner East, and South district articles are all rated at usable status. So can we consider the huge city article to be at guide status if all the district articles underneath it are rated at usable status? While I think a lot of these district articles could be promoted to guide status, not all of them could.
On the other hand, however, none of these district articles are terrible, and the huge city article has quite a lot of information. So I think some work should go into the lower-level articles, but the huge city article looks good. Next summer it would be nice to see this on the front page if we can get the above-listed work done by then. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 23:38, 2 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment — Oslo is a fairly important center for winter sports (especially as a spectator sport), so we can very well run it during the winter too (and then of course the cold weather is part of the experience). I'm afraid this is going to sit around until summer 2020, though, as the summer of 2019 is fully booked; matter of fact if Kaunas is moved up to the DotM page, I think or some other DotM from Europe is likewise going to be left sitting around until 2020 :/ .
When it comes to city districts, they only need to be usable (but all of them do have to be usable) for the main city article to be guide. Think of it this way, city articles are divided into districts when/because they are so stuffed with listings that they become unwieldy. This by definition means that the city article has enough listings for guide status and the Main Page, the listings have only been distributed around several district articles for easier reading and usage.
All in all, I remember the Oslo article was in a pretty good shape when districtifying it almost exactly two years ago, though the article and the listings in the districts could benefit from an update closer to the time when we run it on the Main Page. --ϒpsilon (talk) 13:21, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks, Ypsilon, this is very helpful. I have a couple questions, though:
  1. What about May? Is that open?
  2. Why does it have to wait 2 years? We don’t have 24 DOTM nominations. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 14:53, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
We can only fit so many articles in the summer slots and most places in Europe, USA and Canada are best featured from May-Sep. These are the parts of the world we cover best by far (probably because most of the en-WV community comes from these parts of the world) and therefore the summer tends to be "sold out" more or less one year ahead. Right now we have quite many European DotM candidates (somewhat comparable to the situation of American OtBP candidates) and to keep the Main Page varied, we really don't want to have European DotMs for, say, four months straight in the schedule. Then comes the autumn and except for nominees from the Mediterranean (or for the US, from places like Florida, Hawaii or California) or places that are suitable for a winter visit, the next time European, US and Canadian articles can be featured weather-wise is late next spring. ϒpsilon (talk) 16:51, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Well I plan to nominate York for a November or a December slot. It's not ready yet, though.
I see no problem with a winter slot for Oslo, but haven't looked at the article yet.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 17:41, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Karakol
Blurb: At the foot of the Tian Shan Mountains in Kyrgyzstan is the unexpected setting where you'll find this relic of Imperial Russia — onion-domed churches, brightly-painted wooden houses and all. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Jun-Aug per w:Karakol#Climate
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 19:47, 6 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Here's something unusual, a fairly comprehensive Central Asian article, thanks to the work of Ceever and others. Some sections might look a bit short, but as this is a smaller city in a low-income country I would imagine most places to Eat, Drink and Buy are rather basic and similar to each other.
Nomination
How much tourism is there to that region, though? --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 15:58, 20 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Quite. The whole of Kyrgyzstan is off-the-beaten-track for most tourists.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 17:34, 20 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Rail travel in the Netherlands
Blurb: The efficient Dutch rail network sets the standard for the future of rail travel, with (among other innovations) a completely paperless ticketing system — and it's a superlative choice for getting around the country. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any time but December, preferably around September 20th, 2019 (180th anniversary).
Edit: I understand that September 2019 may cause problems. Other dates of importance in the upcoming five years are:

  • December 2018; Sprinter Nieuwe Generatie put in service (same issue; too soon).
  • Early 2021; Intercity Nieuwe Generatie put in service.
  • In general, September is my preferred month for featuring since the anniversary of the Dutch railway network is in that month. March of 2022 is also fine by me (182½ year anniversary).
  • August 2021; 25 years since the first concession of the Dutch railways.

I am well aware that the feature date doesn't need to have a reason behind it, but I recon it might as well. Don't limit yourself to the dates above, but rather consider them.
Nominated by: Wauteurz (talk) 14:22, 21 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: The article may need some touching up here and there as most information in the article has come from me, but content-wise I believe that nothing is missing and the article is therefore a good candidate for FTT.
Nomination
I should say, though, this is an exceptionally good article and I support its eventually being run as a feature. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:18, 21 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I don't think there is a problem to run Rail travel in Germany perhaps already in August 2018, especially as RtiG is a topic and not a place. In that way this could be featured in September 2019 as desired, "only" 20 months from now. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:12, 22 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support — I've noticed you working on this one over the last several months and it's looking very informative. At least at a quick glance I can't really find anything wrong with it. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:17, 22 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Minor language and possible "nerding out" issues (for which I am the wrong person to judge them) aside, there is nothing to preclude my support for this feature and thanks to Wauteurz for some amazing work. As the user who nominated rail travel in Germany, I would have no qualms moving it around if this article could then be featured on a date that fits better. Just please don't feature either in December, as that is the European schedule change. Hobbitschuster (talk) 22:52, 25 January 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Weak Support, some essential details need finetuning - the article is thoroughly written but some of the more practical information is not entirely spot on, i.e. information about gates is too general, there is no information present about the surcharge for tickets purchased at the counter, no correct information present about the cost if you check in and check out after a certain time at the same station, information about opening train doors and onboard announcements is very specific to some of the rolling stock but wrong for others. In general, quite a large part of the article is written towards railway enthousiasts with a lot of technical details, but less towards the average tourist who travels on the train for the first time in the Netherlands. --WallyTheWalrus (talk) 23:42, 1 February 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Can you elaborate on 'issues with redlinks' so that I can fix it? I am aware that I've left a few (somewhere around ten) redlinks in the article, and I would assume the issue is them being linked to in the first place?
-- Wauteurz (talk) 15:29, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Rail_travel_in_the_Netherlands#Expansion_and_boom is one example, but there are several parts of the article that seem to abound in red links. Also, I'm not crazy about red-colored listings. Selfie City (talk) 22:44, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Soon 1.5 years since the article was nominated and it will not appear on the Main Page before at the very earliest spring 2020. Now when there are enough nominees to take us through the next winter, I've been starting thinking about suitable spring and summer articles and one good candidate would be E11 hiking trail, of which a part goes through the Netherlands. If the rail article is going to wait until September 2020 (the nominator said September would be the "preferred month"), let alone until 2021 or 2022 (in which case we should probably store it away like London/Hampstead or Along the Magnificent Mile) I think I'll nominate E11, otherwise not. Ypsilon (talk) 05:46, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
On the draft schedule I keep on my thumb drive at home, I have this article in the August 2020 slot. I'm uncomfortable holding it off longer than that without any good reason. Ypsilon, I don't see any reason why you shouldn't nominate E11 for a 2020 feature, especially if only part of it is in the Netherlands. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 13:31, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • E11 has been slushed, so where will this article stand now? --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 13:24, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Happy Birthday, nomination! It's not very often an article gets to spend two years on the nominations page and still having several months until its featured – I think this might even be a new record! Congrats!
Seriously, though, the article should be checked through a month or so before it goes on the Main Page, because there's a good chance that parts of it aren't up to date any longer. --Ypsilon (talk) 20:37, 24 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

May 2020

Place: Hamburg
Blurb: With a long and rich history as a Medieval port of trade, Germany's second city is truly "The Gateway to the World" — and it's also your gateway to world-class architecture, lively nightlife, and high culture. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: May-Sep probably, though Apr or Nov for the Hamburger Dom fair could also be an option
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 19:30, 12 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I think we still have an open DotM slot for the five warmest months in the temperate Northern Hemisphere of 2020. Me and User:PrinceGloria districtified and worked extensively on the article four and a half years ago, though since then there has always been something from Germany already waiting on the nominations page. As of lately I've brought over and translated listings from the German version and otherwise fine-tuned the article, and I'd say it's in a pretty good shape (as are the districts).
Nomination

Place: Nagykanizsa
Blurb: An important regional crossroads, this Hungarian town near Lake Balaton was once the domain of a Medieval prince — but the lovely architecture in the town center is of newer vintage. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: May-Sep
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 18:53, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: City-busz has over the last year or so improved many articles in Hungary, and as we still haven't featured that many articles from Central Europe outside Germany and Switzerland, it really is good to have some Hungarian ones to choose from. Here's one of the articles that has not only reached guide status but also has a balanced number of listings in all sections. The only thing that has to be done before the article goes on the Main Page is some copyediting. Listings in the Drink section don't seem to have much of descriptions, though perhaps there are not much differences between individual cafés and on the other hand pubs in a small town like this?
Nomination
  • Almost – as said, copyediting is needed, but otherwise this is a good article. Ypsilon (talk) 18:53, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. There is room for some small improvements and maybe some better photos. A couple of small points: what is "semimonthly" in get around by bus - 14 days or whatever would be better, connect says that the area code is 93 but many listings have other codes. AlasdairW (talk) 22:09, 11 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Close. It's not there yet, but it's still a good article. User:City-busz is one of our best contributors and his work has been greatly helpful in western Hungary. This article, with a few fairly minor improvements and reviews by a couple other contributors, should be appropriate for a feature. It definitely shouldn't be slushed at this time. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 13:32, 1 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: I just finished making up the OtBP banners for this article (don't forget to vote for your favorites!) and I couldn't help but notice there are still a few POIs without any descriptions, or whose descriptions only mention the year it was built. This needs to be rectified before Nagykanizsa goes on the Main Page. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 03:53, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Tour cycling
Blurb: Getting around by bike allows you to experience your surroundings from a completely different perspective. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any, but maybe best during Northern Hemisphere spring or early summer when folks (in temperate areas, where I think most readers are from) take their bikes out of winter storage
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 18:20, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: The article looked good as a usable, others didn't find much to complain about at the article's talk page, so here's our first bicycle-themed featured article candidate!
Nomination
  • Support as nominator. --Ypsilon (talk) 18:20, 7 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment: There is quite a lot of jargon in the article. I think we should not try to compete with cyclists' forums, but direct this also at folks who are used to cycling on the bike they happened to buy or got from a friend, with no thoughts about what parts it contains, people who might go for a biking vacation of a week or a few in their home region. Somebody wanting to go for the Karakoram Highway or America tip-to-tip should get advice mainly from elsewhere. Sure, we should mention those, but the more technical sections should have short intros about the essential, and terms should be explained. --LPfi (talk) 07:27, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
  • Not yet I don't have much experience of this, but I think that some more work is required. I agree with the points raised by LPfi. The page banner shows the wrong type of cycling - it is showing a club day out or race. Sleep needs to be expanded, and we should say something about trips with children - I often meet families doing week long trips with teenagers. AlasdairW (talk) 15:05, 28 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
After having a quick look on Commons for alternative banner images, I am beginning to wonder if "Tour Cycling" is the best title for the article. There are several major cycling races which have "Tour" in the title, the best known being the "Tour de France", and a search for "tour cycling" on commons turned up photos of this kind of event. AlasdairW (talk) 22:23, 30 March 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I must say I can't see what harm that extra information does in the article. Somebody just planning to go on a few days' trip in their home region can disregard those parts. And we'd like to really just concentrate on people making short bike trips, I'm afraid it'd be a very short article or we'd mostly have to fill it with advice from Captain Obvious. Ypsilon (talk) 13:48, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
I think timing is running out to improve this article before it is due to be featured. Since it was nominated, the only edit has been replacing the page banner. AlasdairW (talk) 22:03, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Rereading the article I think it is quite fine as is. --LPfi (talk) 22:29, 9 May 2020 (UTC)[reply]

April 2020

Place: Tangier
Blurb: With a long and colorful history and a strategic location where the Mediterranean meets the open ocean, this unequivocally Maghrebi city has long served as an introduction to Africa for travellers. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Almost anytime, but spring or fall would be optimal
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 17:02, 27 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: A few years ago a visit to the city inspired me to write up the article to guide status. For some reason I didn't quite finish the See section, but that's been taken care of now. Everything necessary should be in the article, but it might need an update closer to the time it's featured.
Nomination

Place: Thimphu
Blurb: Bhutan's pint-sized capital is a good introduction and gateway to the "World's Last Shangri-La". (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Thimphu#Climate says Mar-May, Sep-Oct
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 18:30, 16 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Another corner of the world that isn't featured on the Main Page that often. The capital of one of Asia's more OtBP countries was promoted to guide status last year and almost all listings did get coordinates back then (I just added the missing ones) so the article should be up to date. It's a quite small city, so I think the article already covers most of what a visitor needs to know, of course at it's a guide article, it should.
Nomination
I think Bhutan is one of those countries that are entirely off the beaten path. The number of visitors to the country is low, and the Bhutanese government deliberately keeps it that way (they even used to have a maximum quota for foreign visitors). Except for Indians, Bangladeshis and Maledivians, tourists can't travel to Bhutan just like that. Like (probably) only in North Korea, independent travel isn't allowed and visitors need to book a tour with a Bhutanese tour company for their whole stay in the country. The number of visitors in 2018 was 270,000 but only 70,000 were not "regional" (from nearby parts of India?) — compare that to Nepal's ~1 million visitors where almost 3 out of 4 came from further away than India and China. --Ypsilon (talk) 16:32, 21 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, looks good to me. I'd say go with OtBP. Bhutan is very much an off-the-beaten-path country, and the capital is not very big. —Granger (talk · contribs) 15:56, 21 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment This is in no way to oppose the nomination, but I did not add the coordinates based upon local knowledge, so I cannot always be 100% sure coordinates are in the right place. Just keep that in mind when you consider the article. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 20:48, 21 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support as DotM It's a good article, but I don't think regulated tourism means it must be otbp. If Pyongyang mentioned above were good enough to nominate, it would certainly be DotM. There is no indication that tourists are not interested in visiting Bhutan, and having to instate limits suggests that the interest exceeds the number allowed to enter. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 06:25, 21 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    I would say Pyongyang should certainly be otbp, if it were nominated. It gets few international tourists and is an adventurous, unusual destination, not a major tourist spot. For international travelers, it is "off the beaten path" by any reasonable standard, more clearly than Thimphu I'd say. —Granger (talk · contribs) 12:56, 21 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
It has more people than Madrid, Nairobi, and Buenos Aires and is well-known worldwide as a national capital (and of course makes the news fairly often for political reasons). It's also a dream destination for many people, even if they don't actually visit. I don't think travel stats alone should determine DotM/OtBP and indeed we've have some low-travel DotMs. With a few exceptions though, I think capital cities are usually deserving of DotM. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 11:20, 22 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support I think that it could be either DOTM or OTBP - if we need to decide, it should be based on English speaking non-local visitor numbers. A measure of this is English language guide books to the city - are there many books on just Thimphu? I did not understand "Some clubs allow stag entry as well." in Drink - Alchohol - is this stag parties? AlasdairW (talk) 22:00, 22 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Along the Magnificent Mile
Blurb: Let us take you on a tour through the heart of Chicago! (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Star (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Apr-Oct (from Bronzeville's nomination)
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 18:32, 1 October 2017 (UTC) and renominated by AndreCarrotflower (talk) 02:52, 12 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: In 2020 it will be time again for our biannual visit to Chicago. I figured it would be good to dust off this Star-level itinerary that ϒpsilon had nominated a couple years ago, but was slushed to avoid being featured too close to Chicago/Bronzeville, then an OtBP candidate. Since the article hasn't been substantially edited in the intervening period, I also don't see any need to disregard the votes in the earlier nomination, though if Ypsi or Ikan would like to change their minds about the worthiness of the feature, they're of course welcome to do so.
Nomination
  • Support --ϒpsilon (talk) 18:32, 1 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. One question: With the exception of illumination and perhaps drinks at night, couldn't the itinerary be done in reverse? Should that be noted in the article? Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:15, 1 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support, though if we're going to take a candidate that by next summer will have waited over a year to be featured and make it wait two more years in favor of a different nominee from the same city that's not of significantly higher quality, I'd prefer it to be for more compelling reasons than the above. Especially since we do still have an open OtBP slot next summer for the likes of Apia. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 22:46, 2 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
OK, so then it's probably best to impound this one in the Slush pile like we did with London Hampstead once. ϒpsilon (talk) 10:16, 3 October 2017 (UTC)[reply]
  • Comment - a little before we run this, we should check that everything is still open. Also there are some prices in the article so they too need to be updated. Ypsilon (talk) 07:29, 12 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support because it is a star article. Will put the page on my watchlist in case star status is removed. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 19:36, 12 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Almost I was in Chicago 2 years ago and visited most of the sights, but I didn't follow the route turn by turn, as I had other commitments. I think that the route would work fine in reverse, with the exception of splashing in the fountains in Millennium Park, which is more something for the end of a walk. The article hasn't had any major updates for 10 years, and might be starting to show it's age - telling the reader to print out the district articles, and the sights are not markers or listings. The map is also 10 years old, and without any markers or geo there is no opportunity to see a dynamic map instead. AlasdairW (talk) 23:03, 12 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
If this article is not good enough for FTT, its star status needs to be reconsidered. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 23:08, 12 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I think the map is great and definitely wouldn't be improved by using a dynamic map! I also think the bolding makes it easy to read the itinerary, so that listings aren't really necessary. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:13, 13 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]

March 2020

Place: Ouro Preto
Blurb: Seemingly frozen in time with its meticulously preserved colonial-era buildings, this historic old mining town is little known outside Brazil's borders, yet figures among its most popular getaway destinations. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Mar-Oct
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 19:05, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Here's a nice counterweight to the heavy presence of Asian destinations on the schedule for the upcoming autumn and winter.
Nomination
  • Close. The article has a nice long "Understand" section and is replete with informative listings with explanatory blurbs, so the vast majority of what needs to be here is here. What's left is relatively simple: geo coordinates, some tinkering with addresses in blurbs (you see lots of ones like "Rua Brigadeiro Musqueira, no number", in which case there's no need to note the lack of a number; just giving the street name is sufficient), "Get in" and "Get around" should be padded out and/or reformatted a little bit (especially in the former section; bullet-point lists are not the way to go about it); brief section ledes should be added to tie the information together a bit.
  • Question. Given the blurb ("little known outside Brazil's borders"), why did you choose to nominate this for Dotm, rather than Otbp? This is the English Wikivoyage after all, and so Ouro Preto is outside most of of our target readership's radar.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 16:54, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I was just about to ask the same. Ypsilon (talk) 16:56, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Several reasons. One, I don't know that we ought to be circumscribing our "target audience" to native English speakers only. Many of the other language versions of Wikivoyage, including Portuguese, are very poorly developed, so it stands to reason that many speakers of other languages default to en: regardless because of the superiority of our coverage. The makeup of our roster of regular editors, among whom non-native English speakers are a large minority if not a majority, bears that out.
Two: even if we do assume a target audience of native English speakers, the fact remains that just because a place is off the path that's been beaten by said target audience doesn't mean it's off all beaten paths. Ouro Preto is one of the most popular domestic destinations among Brazilians themselves, and readers who are in search of the type of travel experience that would lead them to click on a feature titled "Off the Beaten Path" likely don't want to deal with the crowds and hassle of a major tourist town, regardless of whether those crowds are comprised of domestic or overseas tourists.
The third reason is a purely practical one: we're fully stocked with OtBPs through May 2020, but we still have a winter 2019-20 DotM slot open. (Before anyone says anything about York, let me say that despite ThunderingTyphoons' comments on its nomination, I'm a firm believer that November through March should be reserved fairly strictly for tropical and antipodean locales along with the odd ski resort or other winter destination. A large majority of our feature-ready articles are in the temperate latitudes of the Northern Hemisphere, and I think restricting those destinations to within the parameters of April through October is an important way to ensure geographic diversity among our Main Page features.)
-- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 18:41, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
The reasons you give for Dotm are sound enough.
York can be featured any time of the year, so I'm not worried about that, but I have always been a bit puzzled by the rationale for the timing of features. Most people, upon reading about a featured destination, are not going to be immediately travelling there later the same month or a few weeks after it being featured, because most people don't have the money or time flexibility to do so. In most cases, where a featured destination causes someone to want to organise a trip to that place, there is going to be at least a three-month delay, and often that delay is going to be considerably longer: six months to a year. With that in mind, wouldn't it make more sense to feature northern destinations in northern winter in time for trips to be prepared for the following spring and summer? Equally, featuring southern/tropical destinations in northern summer would allow time for trips to be made in the southern summer.
The only rationale I can see for the current set-up is that featuring a bunch of warm-weather destinations during the northern winter makes people dream of planning their escape to somewhere sunny.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 20:03, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

(Addendum) But since we're not in the business of selling holidays, that rationale is shaky.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 17:33, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]

An interesting idea. Though a fashion week-like setup, where the destination would be showed, say, 6-10 months before commonly going there would actually sound more like "next summer's holidays on early bird sale now", than our current practice. Ypsilon (talk) 18:47, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Needs some work – in addition to what Andre pointed out, I'd say at least Eat and Drink could use some more listings, luckily there seem to be some places in the Portuguese article that aren't listed here. --Ypsilon (talk) 14:57, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I've now fixed much of it, and actually IMO the bus services could be presented in bullet form. Support. --Ypsilon (talk) 21:54, 18 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Great Basin National Park
Blurb: Belying its name, this mountainous national park includes juniper forests, caves, a gorge, and the great Wheeler Peak, one of Nevada's highest. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Apr-Oct; particularly Apr-Jun or September
Nominated by: Selfie City (talk)
Comment: I think it could do with a little work that I can mostly likely do in expanding some sections, but at the same time not a lot more can be said. What's existing in the article is what is there, so I think in general this article is pretty complete and would definitely be appropriate for OtBP. I was originally going to do somewhere else but I think this one will work well, actually.
Nomination
Yes, sure. Selfie City (talk) 14:02, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]

Place: French phrasebook
Blurb: Parlez-vous français? Nearly 300 million people do, on every inhabited continent on the globe, making it one of the most useful languages for the international traveller to know. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any, but no earlier than January 2020 (1 year after Indonesian phrasebook's Main Page stint)
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 21:37, 21 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: It's been a while since we've featured a phrasebook article for a language with an extensive international reach. Let's remedy that.
Nomination
  • Not yet but very close, and I can easily take care of the needed work myself if there are no other takers. Namely, a few pseudo-pronunciations are missing, and after looking over the ones that do exist, I don't know about their accuracy overall. A few more pictures would be nice too. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 21:37, 21 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Almost, some phrases in French_phrasebook#Bars (perhaps elsewhere in the article too) still need pronunciation. And much more photos, as our featured phrasebooks usually have a photo for at least every second screen to make them look less black and white, but these should be easy to add. --Ypsilon (talk) 10:20, 1 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • I concur with you two that not quite is the current outlook. It might help if someone who doesn't speak French would volunteer to read through and make sure that it all makes sense, particularly the early parts before the phrases.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 16:57, 14 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
    As someone who doesn't speak French but is familiar with the Romance languages and knows some linguistics, I went though the beginning of the article (up to the beginning of the phrase list). I made a few corrections but otherwise it looks good. However, the phrase list has no "Lodging" section. Shouldn't it have one, looking something like this? —Granger (talk · contribs) 02:34, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, although I have to wonder why we don't use 'Sleep' there, rather than 'Lodging'.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 06:30, 22 July 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • To add my vote: not yet, and maybe not at all. As I noted above, the article doesn't cover phrases for lodging, which is a major omission. Do we have anyone fluent enough in French to write a section about that? —Granger (talk · contribs) 00:43, 21 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
ThunderingTyphoons and myself both are, and Nicolas1981 is a native speaker, though he doesn't come by nearly as often as he used to. Between the two (three?) of us, I'm sure we can handle it. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 03:28, 21 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Lodging is part of the Wikivoyage:Phrasebook article template so it definitely needs to be added, otherwise the article can't even have guide status. French is understood by many here (even myself, a little bit) so it shouldn't be a problem, though. --Ypsilon (talk) 06:29, 21 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Just to confirm that I'm willing to help out, and have already been improving the article since its nomination (as has Ypsilon).--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 08:07, 21 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I have now added a Lodging section, copied from the Russian phrasebook. The pseudo-phonetic pronunciations are not my forté, but I did my best.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:22, 22 September 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Okay, I'm satisfied. —Granger (talk · contribs) 23:54, 23 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not quite yet. I'm willing to concede that some of the pseudo-translations may have no choice but to suck (oon really != un at all, but the real sound is very difficult to transcribe), but we have to do better than "grond" for "grande" and "OM-boo-lo(n)ss" for "ambulance". But at least I just replaced like "wa" in "walk" with like "wa" in "want" to represent the sound of "oi" in French. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:54, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
These pseudo prounuciations are difficult to get right; case in point, "want" doesn't adequately represent the sound of oi to British ears at all, since "want" has an O sound (homophonous with "wont") and oi is a "wah" (with a short A) sound. I agree that walk was also wrong.
The nasals (as in "grand") are also difficult to represent, because they are peculiar to French. I don't think we do a bad job of them, though concede there may be a better way (there is a much better way of course - audio files! - but we have to work with the technology we've got).--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 06:57, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
So to represent French "oi" adequately for both Britons and Americans, do we need to analogize it as like "wah"? -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:49, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Hopefully not. I was trying to think of an actual word, rather than a noise, on the train just now. "Wag" could maybe work? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 08:27, 24 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
No way in American English. Wag has no "wah" sound. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:20, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
If you don't like like "wah", then what about like the "wa" in "watt"? Does that work in British English as a "wah" sound? Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:32, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
"Watt" is a homophone with "what", so no. I don't dislike "wah", it's just that all the other examples use actual words. If we can't find an alternative, it will have to do.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 06:38, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Watt is "waht", generally, in American English, not "wut" (though some areas pronounce "what" "waht", also). We are truly divided by a common language in terms of pronunciation! But what about representing "un" as "eh(n)"? "oon" is Italian, definitely not French! Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:26, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

┌────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────┘ (Outdent because I can't count that many colons) Yes, and that's before Straya, Saffa, Nuzillund and the rest have their say...

Where is the E sound in un to make "eh(n)"? That just looks like the interjection "Eh?' with an N on the end. It's not just we Anglophones who are confused, however: it is worth listening to the audiofiles on the Wiktionary entry for un - five different files, five different vowels!

If "oon" is in there, it's certainly a typo, unless it's standing in for une (although elsewhere in the phrasebook we use "uun" for that, which gets the reader closer to the right U sound. "ün" was also used, which while accurate used a non-English diacritic so was suboptimal). --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 08:52, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Try saying an "eh" vowel (of course with no "h" consonant) with a nasal n(g) at the end. It's pretty close to "un". The problem is that we can't really distinguish the sounds of "in", "un" and "hein" in pseudo-transliterations for English-speakers, but they're close to each other and much closer than any of them is to "oon". Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:33, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yes, I just tried, and while you're not wrong, "eh(n)" seems like it would be confusing to the average English speaker. As you possibly know, I have a bachelor's degree in French, yet I was still initially confused by the relevance of "eh(n)", so I imagine the average person who doesn't speak any French would also struggle.
What is wrong with ""u(n)" as in "underground", though with a nasal N"? It wouldn't work "oop North", or in Ireland, but I think it does work for the standard English, Welsh, Scottish, American, Australian and Kiwi accents. And even if the vowel isn't absolutely spot on, it is (a) simple enough for most English speakers to reproduce, (b) similar enough that a French interlocutor will not struggle to understand.
I don't think anyone is defending "oon".--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:42, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
If you want to do that, do it as "uh(n)". That makes the vowel clearer. But if you do that, how would you represent the French "-in" sound? -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 13:58, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yeah "uh(n)" is fine too. Personally, I would represent -in as "ah(n)", so brin would be "brah(n)", "Cointrin" as "KWAH(N)-trah(N)", linge as "lah(n)zh", Inde as "ah(n)d". Brilliant examples, I know.
But then I worry what we do with -en and -an. Are we back to needing "oh(n)", as in "OH(M)-buu-lonss"? Or maybe "aa(n)" for -an / -en, and "ahn" for -in? This is a right ole can o' worms, without easy answers.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 17:08, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
No "oh(n)". -en and -an are the true "ah(n)" sounds. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:06, 25 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
And I have to say "uu" looks like just a longer "oo" sound. A better way to transcribe French "u" would be to have "ee" on top and "oo" on the bottom and bracket them together. But since we're not doing that, anything else sucks. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:06, 26 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'd go with "ü". Some English speakers will correctly identify that as representing IPA [y], and I imagine most of the rest will pronounce it as IPA [u], which is the closest most native English speakers can get without practice anyway. —Granger (talk · contribs) 01:14, 26 October 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I understand your (Granger's) argument about the umlaut, but I am still doubtful about using a 'foreign' character to try to explain to native English speakers (the majority of whom are monolingual) how the French U sounds.
On the other hand, I don't really understand Ikan's point about bracketing letters together. What would that look like? Or is it impossible to show in wikicode? I hope we can find a solution that doesn't "suck", too :) In fact, I am convinced there must be a solution to explain these vowels in a simple way to people who otherwise "don't do" foreign languages. Over the weekend, I'll take a look at the phrasebook pages in some of the France travel guidebooks in my house.ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 11:05, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I'm not really suggesting that as a solution, but the point is, French "u" is produced by shaping one's lips to say "oo" and instead say "ee". There doesn't seem to be any good way to represent that sound in English, because English doesn't have that sound. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:46, 1 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]

So, about a month before this is due to be featured, and the above concerns haven't really been overcome. Do we want to switch around the schedule for now, or can we solve the pseudopronunciation conundrum inside a month? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 19:58, 11 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

I think I've come around to advocating Granger's solution of "ü" for the French "u" sound as in "une". It's a foreign character, but it shows clearly that the sound is distinct from the "u" in "un" or any English sound for that letter, and there is just no remotely acceptable way to represent it in quasi-English. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:50, 11 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
Also, under "Nasals", we have this: "in, ain: nasal è". I'm not sure I'm clear on what pseudopronunciation we're using for those. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:55, 11 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]
You know what, I think I now agree with ü too (or should that be tü?) Will come back tomorrow for nasal-gazing. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 22:25, 11 February 2020 (UTC)[reply]

February 2020

Place: Nha Trang
Blurb: The marquee attractions at Vietnam's most famous seaside resort are sunny beaches, scuba diving, and raucous nightlife in a refreshingly non-Westernized environment — but history buffs and foodies are well cared for too. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Per w:Nha_Trang#Climate Jan-Aug is the dry season, though Northern Hemisphere summer is pretty hot.
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 18:06, 25 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: When nominating Da Nang (DotM March 2017) I noted that we have quite a few high-quality Vietnamese articles, so it's really about time to have another one on the Main Page. Just a few coordinates and pics was needed, and they're now added.
Nomination
@Ypsilon: Thanks for adding all these suggestions! It'll take me time to review some of them and give my opinion. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 19:00, 25 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. Nothing jumps out at me as needing fixing. If I may, though: we have one winter 2019-20 DotM slot left, and let's avoid having to fill it with another Asian destination. We already have a lot of them on the schedule around that time for DotM and OtBP, and it's getting tough to schedule them away from each other. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 19:25, 25 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
We have three Asian candidates now in the DotM section; Zhuhai (which at the moment has quite weak support), Metro Cebu and Nha Trang, and in the OtBP section there's just Pakse, so I think there's about the usual amount of Asian articles for a winter. --Ypsilon (talk) 20:07, 25 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Presently in my draft schedule I have Zhuhai on tap for DotM in November, Adelaide in December, Metro Cebu in January, nothing for February as yet, and Nha Trang in March. Even if we shuffled those around, another Asian DotM candidate would inevitably mean running three of them in a row. In theory, we could run another Asian OtBP next winter, but we also don't have any open OtBP spots until April 2020, so doing so would require rescheduling a preexisting candidate. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 21:10, 25 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I thought about a setup like this, because TT recommended York for the Christmas season: Zhuhai in Nov, York in Dec, Metro Cebu in Jan, Adelaide in Feb (for the Mad March festival season beginning in middle of February which seems to be a huge thing down there), Nha Trang in March or April. Oslo could be run already in late winter for winter sports, but May for the Constitution Day festivities is probably best.
On the OtBP side there'd be Norfolk Island in Nov (a few months between the Aussie articles), Pakse in Dec, Jost van Dyke in Jan, Jeffreys Bay in Feb, then maybe Thimphu in March, and Great Basin National Park can apparently be featured at earliest in April.
All in all we now have (or almost have) the necessary articles for the next winter. --Ypsilon (talk) 09:47, 26 May 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • Support. I've just discovered that I promised to vote on this nomination. I have made two edits, neither of which should be controversial, although I can see that one of them, in particular, may be, so I think that Ypsilon should probably review those edits. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 12:03, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]
No problems, we should warn the readers for crimes and other problems they may encounter. Ypsilon (talk) 17:55, 4 January 2020 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Jeffreys Bay
Blurb: Ever dreamed of shooting the curl at the spot where the '60s movie Endless Summer was filmed? Head for this South African surfer's paradise. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any per nearby w:Port_Elizabeth#Climate, but my intention was to find something to fill a Northern Hemisphere winter OtBP slot with...
Nominated by: ϒψιλον (talk) 13:11, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: This guide article was a bit of a mess and much information was from years ago. A complete checkup later it looks good for the Main Page, I think. Also, while we've run many of Peter's diving articles as FTT, we haven't featured any destination articles from South Africa since 2007 (and this will be our 3rd destination feature from there).
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Place: Flying on a budget
Blurb: Sure, air travel is a lot cheaper than it was 30 or 40 years ago — but that doesn't mean there aren't still ways to bring your costs down even further. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 16:12, 12 August 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: Probably Driving in Brazil will go in next February's FTT slot and March might still be a little too cold for the European and North American FTT candidates nominated above, so we need something else. This article has been frequently edited during the summer, and looks comprehensive, so why show it on the Main Page for a month? A few days ago I added some more photos and promoted it to guide status.
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January 2020

Place: Metro Cebu
Blurb: The Philippines' "second city" is more than just a concrete jungle: the beaches just outside of town are a haven for divers and sun seekers, and nearby Olango Island is the country's most important site for birdwatching. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any, but probably best in northern hemisphere winter
Nominated by: Pashley (talk) 13:29, 30 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: This article was Collaboration of the month for June 2018 & is therefore now rated Guide. It is the main transport hub for the southern Philippines. Many visitors choose to enter the country via Mactan-Cebu International Airport (CEB IATA) rather than via Manila, both because this airport is easier on travellers & because it is more centrally located in the country.
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  • Support as nominator. Pashley (talk) 13:29, 30 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Of course, this is being mentioned now the article finished its period as COTM. I think it's good to have a region article, and while this one could do with some more information still in some sections, I think it's quite a good idea. It's all up-to-date information due to the CotM and all the places underneath it are decent, as we know, so I'm supporting this nomination. Selfie City (talk) 23:07, 30 June 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Unsure, looks like all the subarticles listed in the Cities section are usable and most of the article looks OK. But Eat and Drink seem a little bit short. --ϒpsilon (talk) 20:38, 13 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Most travellers will visit only Cebu City and perhaps Lapu-Lapu, so the fact that most of the other articles on towns within the area are barely usable does not bother me much. Clearly improving them would be good, but it is not essential. The exception would be Talisay (Cebu) which is fairly large & important.
On the other hand, it would be nice to get the main cities up to Guide. I think Cebu is close, but it could use copy edits & more under Eat & Drink. L-L has problems; Drink is empty and there are only two Eat listings, far from ideal when you consider it is a tourist town & population is over 400,000. Pashley (talk) 15:44, 19 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
I was a little unclear. Subarticles need only to be at usable status, and all of them are, which is good. It would certainly do no harm to have some of them at guide status, but they do not need to be. Secondly, I see no big problems with the article, though Eat and Drink looked a bit short. So there's no need to replace this one with Cebu City or Olango Island or some other article. ϒpsilon (talk) 16:24, 19 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • Instead of making this region article DotM, there are two places within it that might be nominated instead, Cebu City (the area's main tourist destination) for DotM and Olango Island for OtBP (a strange one, about an hour's travel from an international airport but off the main tourist path). Neither is currently rated Guide, but I think both are close. Pashley (talk) 16:01, 19 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
A possible advantage of this as DotM is that it was created here rather than on WT before the split, as were Olango Island & I think some of its other subordinate articles. This might be good for SEO. Pashley (talk) 17:31, 24 July 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Another option on the cards is Alona Beach. It’s only at usable status at the moment, but with some more work it could be at guide status. The problem is coordinates there, though — the place is so crowded in that it’s hard to be sure about them. --Comment by Selfie City (talk about my contributions) 14:42, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The Cebu City article has now been promoted to Guide. The article for the region's other main destination, Lapu-Lapu, still does not have good Eat or Drink sections. Pashley (talk) 12:37, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
  • The Magellan-Elcano circumnavigation reached the Philippines in March 1521. In April they went on to Cebu City, their most important destination in the country, and Magellan was killed in a battle in what is now the city of Lapu-Lapu, named for the opposing chief. Both those cities are now part of Metro Cebu, so the 500th anniversary in April 2021 might be a good time to feature this article. Around then might also be a good time for the Magellan article. Pashley (talk) 22:52, 25 September 2018 (UTC)[reply]
The Magellan article should definitely be run next summer when they started the journey. Even if there'd be some really good excuse to postpone the Magellan article until then, if the reason to run Metro Cebu in April 2021 would be Magellan's visit there, we should not run the articles simultaneously, as we traditionally don't want to feature several articles with the same theme too close to each other.
If Metro Cebu needs to wait until 2021, it should (like London/Hampstead) be parked in the slush pile until when it's time to move it to the schedule. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:08, 21 October 2018 (UTC)[reply]
It does not need to wait until then, but it could. Pashley (talk) 00:34, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Featuring articles in tandem with timely events is well and good, but I really wish that people would stop suggesting we hold nominees off for years and years for the sole purpose of making them coincide with some far-in-the-future event (see also: Birmingham, Alabama). A long period of time spent languishing on this page means that an article that was ready to go when it was nominated might well be full of outdated information by the time it actually goes on the Main Page. Magellan-Elcano circumnavigation is slotted for a summer FTT next year, but there's no reason we couldn't run a destination in the Philippines within the same general timeframe: by definition, a round-the-world voyage is not attributable to any geographical region in particular. Metro Cebu's "Time to feature" indicates a preference for the Northern Hemisphere winter, anyway, so it was a moot point from the getgo. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:44, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Indeed. Sorry for sounding harsh, but after my comment in January where I was concerned about how long articles nowadays sit around on the Main Page there have been quite a few nominations that will have to wait for quite some time, and there have been many suggestions that this or that article should wait until 2020 or even 2021. ϒpsilon (talk) 20:54, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Mactan-Cebu International Airport was expanded in 2018 making this destination busier & more attractive. Pashley (talk) 13:34, 9 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Sure. However, we need to make sure the article includes information about the expanded airport, rather than the older one, so that all information is accurate. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 04:19, 10 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Yes. I have done what I can, but I have not been there since the expansion & it could probably use more work. In particular, what are the food options in Terminal 2? And what transport is available between terminals?
The info is in the Lapu-Lapu article with redirects from CEB & Mactan-Cebu International Airport. Pashley (talk) 23:25, 21 June 2019 (UTC)[reply]
  • The article mostly looks good to me. The short "Eat" and "Drink" sections don't bother me—in articles about smaller regions, it's often hard to find much to put in those sections. But shouldn't there be a "Do" section, to talk about diving if nothing else? —Granger (talk · contribs) 13:24, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[reply]
I added Metro_Cebu#Do. It might need improvement. Pashley (talk) 10:33, 1 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Thanks! Now I'll support. —Granger (talk · contribs) 03:15, 3 December 2019 (UTC)[reply]

Place: Norfolk Island
Blurb: Whether you're a history buff, a snorkeling enthuisiast, or just looking to get away from it all, this former South Sea penal colony has you covered. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Per w:Norfolk_Island#Climate, Sep-Feb has less than 15 rain days/month on average
Nominated by: ϒψιλον (talk) 17:27, 26 December 2018 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: An OtBP for late 2019, maybe? The article has been thoroughly edited this year, so it shouldn't be too outdated. Many listings needed coordinates, but I just took care of that.
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Place: Driving in Brazil
Blurb: From road signs to fuel and safety issues, here's your source for all the information you need to know before hitting the road in South America's largest country. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any (for each month there are some parts of Brazil where it's dry season and other parts where it rains)
Nominated by: ϒψιλον (talk) 18:46, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[reply]
Comment: I've been thinking about nominating this one for some time. We haven't had "Driving in..." articles on the Main Page that often, moreover it would only be the second South American FTT. Per my comment at the talk page, I think the article describes all the issues a driving guide article should, otherwise I think Ibaman is happy to help filling in missing info.
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