Wikivoyage:Destination of the month candidates/Archive/2016-2019


December 2019Edit


Place: Adelaide
Blurb: South Australia's capital is known for many things — art festivals, spectator sports, 19th century architecture, and of course its gourmet food, café and wine culture. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Spring or autumn per Adelaide#Climate, maybe February or March for the "mad March" festival season mentioned as beginning in mid-February?
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 10:33, 1 May 2019 (UTC)
Comment: I added missing coordinates, updated and improved this one a while back, so the article should be good to go. We usually run two articles from this corner of the world each Austral summer (=Northern winter), so this could be the second one in addition to Norfolk Island.[]

  • Support as nominator. --Ypsilon (talk) 10:35, 1 May 2019 (UTC)[]
  • Support - looks good.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 16:46, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[]
  • Support. A few "See" listings are missing addresses, but otherwise no obvious problems. —Granger (talk · contribs) 14:33, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[]
  • Here's support vote number four. I have full confidence that the missing addresses that Granger pointed out will be attended to (by myself if need be) - it's an easy fix. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:53, 26 November 2019 (UTC)[]


Place: Pakse
Blurb: The capital of Laos's Champasak province features lively markets and a few Buddhist sites, but is above all a starting point for visits to the amazing natural and historical sites in the region. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Nov-Apr
Nominated by: ϒψιλον (talk) 20:02, 6 March 2019 (UTC)
Comment: Siem Reap is DotM as I'm writing this, and like Cambodia, we've also featured few articles from Laos (compared to Southeast Asia generally). So as of lately I've polished up this article, including adding coordinates and removing places that don't seem to be in business any longer (you all know the drill, I think...).[]

The article still includes many prices that apparently are fairly old, but as you can read at the talk page it's surprisingly hard to update them. Not sure if we should just delete them or leave them in. Anyways, as the article is in a better shape than a week or so ago, I thought I'd nominate it now.

  • Support? -- ϒψιλον (talk) 20:02, 6 March 2019 (UTC)[]
  • Generally, it's fine, but I think the "Go next" section could be better organized and perhaps shorter. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 04:12, 7 March 2019 (UTC)[]
  • Have I not voted yet? Support. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 21:29, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[]


Place: Visa
Blurb: The more different the destination country is from your own, the longer you plan to stay, and the more you plan to do, the more likely you'll need a one of these travel documents. Check out our guide to learn more. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any
Nominated by: Ypsilon (talk) 10:27, 11 May 2019 (UTC)
Comment: One more FTT that can be featured any time of the year. With the small personal experience I have with visas, I'd say everything is in the article, and as such I promoted it to guide a while ago. If you know anything important is missing, feel free to add it.[]

  • Support as nominator. --Ypsilon (talk) 10:27, 11 May 2019 (UTC)[]
  • Support. An exemplary article. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 13:35, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[]
  • Comment: I find many sections quite confusing. Partly it is in the nature of visas, but I think the article would benefit from a detailed check of the language and some rewriting. An example: "Some countries permit certain nationalities to enter without a visa, but other conditions may apply for entry and the stay." Should this be "different" instead of "other"? I think there are similar mistakes here and there. There is also redundant prose, where it is not clear whether the writer tries to convey some different nuance. --LPfi (talk) 16:08, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[]
  • Support unless someone can find a really serious problem with this article and the information it provides. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 19:02, 25 August 2019 (UTC)[]

November 2019Edit


Place: Zhuhai
Blurb: Warm weather, pleasant beaches, picturesque islands, good shopping, lively nightlife: this laid-back getaway destination in China's Guangdong Province has it all. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: any, with a preference for N hemisphere winter
Nominated by: Pashley (talk) 13:05, 14 January 2019 (UTC)
Comment: Our Summer 2019 schedule is chock full of U.S. and European destinations; here's another Asian one.[]



  • I am not certain how up-to-date this article is & it lacks a map, but it looks near ready. The city is interesting & fairly heavily touristed, mostly northern Chinese fleeing their harsh winters or Hong Kong & Taiwan people coming for cheap shopping & entertainment. Pashley (talk) 13:05, 14 January 2019 (UTC)[]
  • Overall the article looks pretty complete. Our coverage of the city's islands is currently weak—for "the city of a hundred islands" that's not great, but I don't know if it's a barrier to featuring. I'm going to be traveling to Zhuhai for a few days later this month, so I should be able to get a sense of whether there's anything else that needs work.
One thing the article certainly needs is coordinates for the listings and the ferry terminals. A map showing the districts would be nice too. Anyone who wants to add coordinates, be careful not to copy them directly from Google Maps or Baidu Maps (see Talk:China#GPS coordinates in China). —Granger (talk · contribs) 03:58, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[]
  • Not yet. As Granger said, the lack of coordinates for the listings is the most significant barrier to featuring. Also, regarding the comment in the feature nomination template: DotM has become popular enough that the wait time between nomination and Main Page feature is generally between 6 and 12 months barring an extreme mishap with an already-scheduled article, so summer 2019 isn't going to happen. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 04:35, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[]
  • Needs work; mostly coordinates and a checkup that each listing still exists. After a look at the climate table in Wikipedia I think this should be run in the Northern Hemisphere winter, just as stated in the "time" parameter. -- ϒψιλον (talk) 12:51, 15 January 2019 (UTC)[]
  • Close. I got back from my trip and think the article seems pretty complete. Once coordinates are added, I think it'll be just about ready for featuring.
It would also be good to improve coverage of the Wanshan Islands (currently only described very briefly) and to rewrite the "Eat" section so all the restaurants have names and addresses (some just have general descriptions and somewhat vague directions). I'm not sure those fixes are necessary for featuring, though.
I agree with Northern Hemisphere winter—summer around here is hot and humid. —Granger (talk · contribs) 02:58, 2 February 2019 (UTC)[]
  • Needs work. This is, on the whole, a well-written article. It starts well and gradually declines, in terms of coordinates — for example, as one reads through the content. Coordinates in all the listings would be useful, as well as some more useful information than, "Swim, sunbathe or go diving. At a number of islands which are approximately 50 minutes away by ferry (see Zhuhai Islands Section for more details)" as the first listing in "Do". It doesn't have far to go, however, and it would be good to see this article become featured at some point in the future, hopefully not too far away. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 13:10, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[]
  • Support Looks like the coordinates issue has been taken care of, and the fact that someone has visited the city and considered the article complete is a pretty good proof that there aren't any big problems with the article. One small thing though, in Eat and Drink there are many subheadings with just one listing underneath them. Are those headings really needed in those cases? Ypsilon (talk) 21:05, 5 October 2019 (UTC)[]

Jost Van DykeEdit

Place: Jost Van Dyke
Blurb: If lounging at the beach with a cold "painkiller" (the signature cocktail around these parts) is as adventurous as you want to get on vacation, set sail for the smallest of the four main British Virgin Islands. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Nov-May to avoid the hurricane season
Nominated by: ϒψιλον (talk) 13:11, 11 April 2019 (UTC)
Comment: Caribbean is another well-touristed corner of the world that we rarely feature anything from. Though JVD is most definitely an OtBP destination as it has neither an airport nor a cruise harbor. As you can see on its talk page I found this as a pretty good usable article and used all the tricks in the book to improve the article. Everything about this little island should be in the article now.[]

  • Support as nominator. ϒψιλον (talk) 13:11, 11 April 2019 (UTC)[]
  • Support. As usual with Ypsilon's work, there are no problems to be found. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 19:31, 25 May 2019 (UTC)[]
  • Support. I agree with AndreCarrotflower; it's the kind of article that looks like it has been developed carefully to be useful. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 19:00, 25 August 2019 (UTC)[]
  • Support. Well written and as the nom says, good to feature a destination from the somewhat neglected Caribbean. Gizza (roam) 21:42, 10 November 2019 (UTC)[]

Hartsfield–Jackson Atlanta International AirportEdit

Place: Hartsfield–Jackson Atlanta International Airport
Blurb: The busiest airport in the world, where nearly 2,500 flights arrive and depart on the average day; as the saying goes, "it doesn't matter whether you go to Heaven or Hell — to get there, you have to connect through Atlanta." (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any
Nominated by: ϒψιλον (talk) 09:59, 1 March 2019 (UTC)
Comment: Time to put another airport article on the FTT nomination list, here's one of our best ones. Thanks to Bigpeteb for updating the article as of lately.[]

Airport articles are always FTT. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:41, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[]
  • Support. I have read through and made a couple of suggestions for improvement at the talk page.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 17:48, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[]
  • Just a side-note (my computer is a bit kablooey at the moment which means I can't give it a thorough enough read to weigh in) there is still a VfD discussion on the talk page that we could move to an archive page... Hobbitschuster (talk) 00:13, 2 March 2019 (UTC)[]
  • Needless to say, as the biggest contributor to the article, I support the nomination. --Bigpeteb (talk) 20:02, 7 June 2019 (UTC)[]
  • Support. Although many coordinates are missing, gate information for business listings is included, which is probably more useful than coordinates in this situation. It's a good article designed with travelers in mind. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 12:55, 26 July 2019 (UTC)[]

October 2019Edit

San Miguel de AllendeEdit

Place: San Miguel de Allende
Blurb: With an artsy and surprisingly cosmopolitan vibe, this old colonial town in Mexico's Guanajuato state is not only a place to visit but, for many retirees and expats, also a second home. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Fall or spring are probably best (how about Oct or Nov 2019 for Día de Muertos; I think these are the next slots we're looking for articles for?)
Nominated by: ϒψιλον (talk) 12:13, 20 January 2019 (UTC)
Comment: It's a while since we last ran a Mexican article on the Main Page, and here's a nice one (you guessed it, largely thanks to StellarD) which I just added coordinates to and tidied up a bit.[]

  • Support. Thank you Ypsilon for taking the time to finally clean up the article. As you've suggested, this would be a good candidate for either spring or fall, or Día de Muertos. My only comment is that the listing for the UNESCO site of Atotonilco should either be expanded, or possibly split into a new article. This has been brought up before, and I'd forgotten about it (again). –StellarD (talk) 17:44, 20 January 2019 (UTC)[]
  • Support. However, the climate data needs to be turned into a proper template before featuring. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 22:18, 20 January 2019 (UTC)[]
  Done --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 16:40, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[]
  • Support - It's a nice article that makes me want to drop everything and head to San Miguel. There are still some updates and copy-edits needed, as evidenced by the past few days of my edits, but these are all relatively minor.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 16:43, 19 August 2019 (UTC)[]

Letchworth State ParkEdit

Place: Letchworth State Park
Blurb: Upstate New York's "Grand Canyon of the East", where the Genesee River tumbles over a trio of spectacular waterfalls, preserved through the generosity of a prominent 19th-century industrialist. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: May-Oct; as a popular "leaf peeping" destination, Sep or Oct would be especially ideal
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:30, 7 June 2018 (UTC)
Comment: Originally I had hoped to feature a Buffalo district as OtBP in summer 2019, two years after Historic Churches of Buffalo's East Side's stint as FTT. But given the scope of what needs to happen to those articles between now and then - updates to weed out closed businesses and add listings to new ones, shortening lengthy blurbs, and possibly further subdividing the articles themselves, not to mention wrapping up the Gaspé Peninsula project at the same time - any such feature will likely have to wait until 2020. Here's a good article to run in its stead.[]

  • Support as nominator. I'm interested in hearing the thoughts of Powers, the article's principal author. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:30, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Almost: any issues can most likely be fixed before this is featured. This article should be more helpful to the traveler before being turned into an OtBP. For example, the climate subsection is completely empty, buy, eat, and drink should have more content, and only the sleep section has any coordinate markers. A good article needs plenty of coordinate markers, especially for attractions like this one, so people know exactly where the attractions can be found. The good thing is that the lack of coordinates is an easily problem to solve and can be easily done before this is featured. When we've fixed the coordinate issues, we should also add a dynamic map (that's what they're called, right?) so tourists get a better idea about the place. Still, it looks like a really nice place for Off the Beaten Path. Selfie City (talk) 18:33, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[]
Selfie City - the reason why "Buy", "Eat", and "Drink" don't have more content is because there isn't much content to add in the first place. State parks aren't shopping or nightlife meccas; what more do you feel needs to be said about the few unremarkable gift shops within the park boundaries? As for "Eat", the Glen Iris Inn is a renowned fine-dining restaurant, but we have a policy of not double-listing the same establishment in multiple different sections, so all the information is in "Sleep". As for the coordinate markers, policy says they're not required in articles with static maps (which include the markers directly on the image file, making coordinates redundant). However, I agree with you that this particular static map is pretty useless and we'd do well to jettison it in favor of a dynamic one, which would entail adding coordinates to the listings. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 16:03, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[]
I've solved some of the problems by merging eat and drink - however, more information about the Basics would be useful. Also, I understand that coordinates are not required for articles, but I still think they're extremely useful to the traveler and should be included in any one of our featured destinations. Selfie City (talk) 16:15, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Very close...heck, I'll say support right away. Adding someting to the climate section and coordinates to the couple of listings that still lack them (it can be useful even if there isn't an embedded dynamic map in the article; readers can click on the icons and open one), and perhaps a photo in the end of the article are things that anyone can do in a couple of minutes. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:01, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Support, with the additions of a climate section and one or two more photos showing off the landscape. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 17:23, 10 August 2018 (UTC)[]
Per ThunderingTyphoons! above, we should either add a climate section if one seems necessary, or not include the section heading at all. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 14:34, 21 September 2019 (UTC)[]


Place: Hotels
Blurb: If you're a traveller, you probably already know the basics — but read on for a wealth of quirks, hacks, and little-known information about this most common of accommodation options. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any
Nominated by: ϒψιλον (talk) 14:20, 10 March 2019 (UTC)
Comment: Always good to have at least one global topic in the FTT nominations that can be featured anytime and together with any other articles (just like Common scams which replaced Judaism on a short notice). I upgraded this very strong usable article to guide and added some pictures. Should be good to go.[]

  • Support as nominator. ϒψιλον (talk) 14:20, 10 March 2019 (UTC)[]
  • Very close; the section that lists notable hotel chains ought to have some descriptions and probably should mention Best Western, Motel 6, Super 8, etc. Or maybe it's the kind of list we shouldn't have at all. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 23:17, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[]
Best Western is mentioned in Hotels#International_chains, and Super 8 and Motel 6 are motels so they're listed in that article. -- ϒψιλον (talk) 18:27, 4 April 2019 (UTC)[]
I'm a little curious — why are there chains listed under the Hotels#Hotel types section? (Thanks for the response, though; I understand better now — sort of...) --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 21:05, 4 April 2019 (UTC)[]
As examples it seems, not sure if they need to be there, though. ϒψιλον (talk) 19:09, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[]
  • Almost I think it covers large modern chain hotels quite well, but has little about the 10 room family run hotel in a 300 year old building. AlasdairW (talk) 22:28, 4 April 2019 (UTC)[]
Good point, so the inns, boutique hotels, and grand old hotels sections need to be expanded (though many small family-run hotels could also be classified as Bed and breakfasts, which we have a separate article for). -- ϒψιλον (talk) 19:09, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[]
Although further improvements would be welcome, I now support this. AlasdairW (talk) 21:43, 6 October 2019 (UTC)[]
  • Comment In summary to the above, I think maybe the article could do with a little organization in some places, I guess that's my point. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 19:15, 6 April 2019 (UTC)[]
  • Comment: I don't feel up to reading through this entire article, at least not now, but what in the heck is this supposed to mean? "Hotel rooms constitute a separate moral universe." I've speculated a bit at Talk:Hotels#Quote, but I would suggest deleting that quote. Ikan Kekek (talk) 00:21, 13 May 2019 (UTC)[]
  • I agree with Ikan Kekek. The quote's meaning is not clear without context, and it also appears to be misquoted. In trying to find the quote, the sources I find says, "Hotel rooms inhabit a separate moral universe." ChubbyWimbus (talk) 05:04, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[]
Deleted, it doesn't add anything meaningful to the article. Ypsilon (talk) 11:52, 18 August 2019 (UTC)[]

September 2019Edit

Birmingham (Alabama)Edit

Place: Birmingham (Alabama)
Blurb: Once the South's premier industrial center and later notorious for its role in the Civil Rights Movement, the "Magic City" is on the rise once again thanks to a growing population of trendy young urbanites. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Mar-May or Sep-Nov (midsummer is very hot and muggy)
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 02:19, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
Comment: We have room for one more U.S. DotM in 2019, and here's my preferred candidate. I visited Birmingham in 2012 and found it a fascinating anomaly (a Southern city founded around steel mills and a railroad junction, rather than cotton fields?), with industrial relics that look like they could have been plucked out of Buffalo or any other Northern Rust Belt city. I'm especially looking forward to making DotM banners for this one; I have a couple really nice source-image candidates in my personal archives.[]

  • Very close, and I don't envision the fixes requiring more than a few days' work. Many listings are missing geo coordinates and there are a few of the wrong type (I'm talking specifically about the "Buy" section here), much of "Do" needs to be moved to "See", and the "Get in", "Get around", and "Go next" sections could use some further development. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 02:19, 5 August 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Needs work, as André just said. Coordinates, descriptions for many listings in Buy and Sleep, and of course photos. And when adding coordinates, closed attractions and businesses should be removed. BTW this is the only U.S. DotM candidate in 2019 so far, though there are indeed a huge number of American OtBP candidates. ϒpsilon (talk) 09:17, 5 August 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Comment Birmingham has been chosen to host the 2021 World Games. If we could coincide our feature with that event, I think we should. Hobbitschuster (talk) 09:38, 5 August 2018 (UTC)[]
I think we should definitely get back in the habit of synchronizing our featured articles with timely events that will be occurring at the respective destinations, but forcing a nominee to wait nearly 3 years on that basis before being featured would be unprecedented and unwarranted. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 17:47, 5 August 2018 (UTC)[]
Look, I really don't want to play the "I've been here longer than you and know what I'm talking about" card, but let me repeat myself: making nominees wait three years to be featured is something we simply don't do here. The more time passes between when an article is checked over and when it goes on the Main Page, the more of a chance there is for restaurants, bars or hotels to close or change their opening hours, URLs to go dead, new attractions to open their doors, etc. There have actually been instances when we've thrown nominees on the slush pile rather than having them languish on the DotM nominations page for too long. Now I'm sure there are plenty of other events taking place in 2021 that we can coordinate with a DotM feature, and three years is more than enough time to make whatever improvements are necessary to whatever article we choose. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:26, 6 August 2018 (UTC)[]
Also, Pleasanton is tentatively scheduled for May 2019, and the fact that Great Basin National Park has to wait until 2020 has nothing to do with the DotM column, but rather with the fact that there are so many U.S. OtBP nominees. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:29, 6 August 2018 (UTC)[]
Makes sense. How important are the 2021 World Games? Selfie City (talk) 00:33, 6 August 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Comment - Not ready yet.I just moved the "Learn" section of naked names to the talk page, but there is a longish list of mere names of shopping malls in "Buy". Ideally, too, everything in a fixed location should have geo. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:34, 27 October 2018 (UTC)[]
  • I felt that my earlier vote showed poor judgment, so I have taken another look at this article. I still see a lot of markers missing, sections that feel a little thin, etc. Is there anything we can do to improve this article before it is likely featured? Honestly, this discussion doesn't look like consensus for it to go up, unfortunately. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 21:28, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[]
We don’t need to be sounding alarm bells about this yet (and we certainly don’t need to be insinuating that a nominee should be slushed less than two weeks before go time, with banners already made). The problems you describe represent maybe two hours’ worth of work total. You know that minor tweaks of this kind tend to happen very soon before the article is put on the Main Page. As it happens, I was planning to tackle them as soon as I’m through with the current round of updates to South Buffalo, which as you can see shouldn’t be more than a day or two. — AndreCarrotflower (talk) 22:50, 21 August 2019 (UTC)[]
No, it indeed doesn't take too long to fix these things. I might have time to help out in the weekend if there are still some things that need to be fixed. Ypsilon (talk) 15:21, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[]
After looking over the article a second time, the fixes are more extensive than I originally thought but still nothing that can't easily be taken care of between now and September 1st. I've finished my work on South Buffalo and am now beginning to address Birmingham (right off the bat, I'm noticing a lot of listings that belong in other articles) but there's a good chance I won't be done by this weekend, so any help would be appreciated. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:47, 22 August 2019 (UTC)[]
  • Following the work that has been done on the article, I feel that is now well-enough developed that I can vote support. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 18:54, 25 August 2019 (UTC)[]
  • There's more work yet to do (the major portion of which involves the "Buy" section), but I'm prepared at this point to change my vote to support. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 20:48, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[]
Ikan Kekek and Ypsilon, you both voted "Not yet" before the recent push of fixes to this article; would you care to opine on the current state of affairs and perhaps revise your votes? -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 16:28, 29 August 2019 (UTC)[]
I voted needs work and listed "Coordinates, descriptions for many listings in Buy and Sleep, and of course photos. And when adding coordinates, closed attractions and businesses should be removed" as things needed to be fixed before running the article. All listings now have coordinates, some kind of description, and overall it starts looking like a DotM article. When finished with this comment I'll take a look in Commons for some nice photos for the last third of the article. As the list below says, Eat and Drink listings need to be checked (I think you did some of them already?), and Buy could use some more info (if there are just boring type stores maybe there's not much point in adding those but then we should say so...). So I'll support right away when those have been looked into. --Ypsilon (talk) 17:27, 29 August 2019 (UTC)[]
  • I made a bunch of edits to the article, but all of them were really fine tuning. The article looks to be in fine shape, I'm quite satisfied, and I now support a feature. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:04, 30 August 2019 (UTC)[]
Charting our progress on the fixes to this articleEdit

Just so I can keep track of all this (and so those who want to jump in and help can know what to do), here are the fixes to the Birmingham article that have already been accomplished...

  • Move listings that belong in other articles
  • Add geo coordinates to listings
  • Verify continued existence, phone numbers and URLs of "Sleep" listings
  • Break the "See" section down into subcategories
  • Fill out the "Go next" section
  • Cull some of the "Annual events"
  • Add descriptive blurbs to listings that have none
  • Reformat the "By car" subsection of "Get in"
  • Add information about the Zyp BikeShare program to "Get around"
  • Expand the intro lede
  • Add "See" listings for prominent POIs that are missing
  • Fill out the "Eat" and "Drink" sections
  • Fill out the "Sleep" section
  • Fill out the "Cope" section
  • Verify continued existence, opening hours, phone numbers, URLs, and price ranges of "Eat" and "Drink" listings
  • Expand blurbs in "Annual events" section
  • Fill out the "Buy" section

...and those that have yet to be accomplished (in descending order of importance, roughly)


(This may look like a long list, but keep in mind I knocked out the first three of these bullet points in a couple of hours. We're still in good shape for these things to be done by 2019-09-01, especially if we have more hands on deck than just mine.)

-- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 03:44, 24 August 2019 (UTC)[]

OK. With a plan to get things fixed, this should be possible. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 13:22, 24 August 2019 (UTC)[]
Anyone around who is familiar with Birmingham, and would have some suggestions of good places to add to Eat, Drink and Buy? Ypsilon (talk) 17:46, 25 August 2019 (UTC)[]
I've never visited. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 18:19, 25 August 2019 (UTC)[]
TripAdvisor, Yelp, etc. are useful to get a good idea of what consensus holds the most popular and renowned restaurants in a place to be, and as long as we're fair about it and take scrupulous care to summarize, rather than plagiarizing from, the reviews we read, there's nothing in policy against it. I'll take care of that in a little bit if no one else gets around to it first. By the way: Ypsilon and SelfieCity, i owe you both a big "thank you" for your help here. I hate to admit it, but the more I sink my teeth into making these fixes, the more I doubt I could have made the September 1st deadline if I had been working alone. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 01:11, 26 August 2019 (UTC)[]
Yup, this is what we need to do, if more of them is needed. Which might be the case as the article says Birmingham is "a city which has numerous well-known restaurants with famous chefs". Ypsilon (talk) 04:49, 26 August 2019 (UTC)[]

────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────────Okay, so I'm unexpectedly going to be out of town this weekend beginning Saturday morning and will only have Internet access via mobile. Tomorrow and Friday, I will devote my full attention to the remaining items on the list of things to do. In that time, I am very confident that I will be able to fill out the "Sleep" and "Cope" sections and verify opening hours, URLs, etc. of the listings for which I have not yet done so. The "Buy" section, I'm afraid, might be a tougher nut to crack, and I might need another set of hands on deck (Ypsi? SelfieCity? anyone else?) for that particular task. As for updating DotM, I've got the procedure for doing that via mobile down pretty well, so no need to worry about that.

Again, thank you guys x 1,000 for all your help getting this article up to speed. I'm happy to say we're in the home stretch and the finish line is in sight.

-- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 22:32, 28 August 2019 (UTC)[]

Yes, I guess I'll chip in and do my bit. I think I'll have time on my hand this weekend, given the Labor Day holiday and a lack of items on the schedule. I also plan to update Florida with a warning notice, but I have plenty of time for that. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 00:36, 29 August 2019 (UTC)[]
I've been unusually busy off-wiki as of lately (and guaranteed to be so for the next week or two) but will try to find some time and energy to help out with something little that needs to be fixed over the next days. --Ypsilon (talk) 15:46, 29 August 2019 (UTC)[]
I'm still not at home and mostly editing on my iPhone, so I'm not sure when I'll have a chance to reread the article but will try to do so tonight. Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:55, 29 August 2019 (UTC)[]
Well, I've thought over my plans for the weekend and I might not have quite the time I expected, but I should have enough to help out. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 20:15, 29 August 2019 (UTC)[]
And I'm making fast enough progress on the other items that it might be moot in any event. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 20:21, 29 August 2019 (UTC)[]
  • Support - Just a brief comment to say a massive well done to all you guys who have been working to get Birmingham up to scratch over the past few days. This dedication is what makes Wikivoyage an awesome community to be a part of. ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 16:57, 30 August 2019 (UTC)[]
Once more: brilliant work, Andre and everyone else :) . Ypsilon (talk) 17:49, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[]
What's good is that we've not only made a DOTM ready for featuring, but that Wikivoyage is just a little better thanks to our work. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 17:58, 31 August 2019 (UTC)[]

Kamphaeng PhetEdit

Place: Kamphaeng Phet
Blurb: Otherwise known for ancient walls, forts, temple ruins and Buddha statues, Thailand's "banana capital" holds a ten-day festival to promote its sweet and aromatic fruit. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: September preferred, but could be anytime
Nominated by: RJFF (talk) 21:47, 9 December 2017 (UTC)
Comment: Worth visiting, but little frequented. The banana festival in September is Thailand's longest provincial fair.[]

  • Support, but what's with the non-standard "Nearby" section? That's not how we handle that kind of thing. Those listings need to be merged into either "See"/"Do" or "Go next". -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 03:35, 10 December 2017 (UTC)[]
A "Nearby" section is explicitly proposed in the guideline WV:Region article template ("If something is in a tiny rural village too small to justify its own local article, (...) adding a section 'Nearby' in an adjacent city article (before the 'Go next' section).") and also explained in WV:Article templates/Sections#Nearby. "Go next" should only include places that have their own article (but these scattered, rural destinations do not warrant articles of their own), while I find it confusing to place points that are up to 65 km off the main city under the "See"/"Do" sections. To me, the "Nearby" section seems to be the perfect solution for this case. --RJFF (talk) 11:52, 10 December 2017 (UTC)[]
I argued with another user a few months back about this Nearby section, which apparently is real. Yes, if an attraction is far outside the city it's misleading to put it in the city article's See or Do section (perhaps then in the surrounding region's See or Do). But given that very few articles in practice have it, it does look strange and out of place and I think Nearby should be a subsection of Go next instead it's own section.
  • Support. My instinct is to think the "Nearby" section should be merged to "See"/"Do", but I don't feel strongly about that at all. —Granger (talk · contribs) 12:21, 10 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  • Support — I don't really have anything to complain about, save for the Nearby section which I think should be a subsection of Go next. ϒpsilon (talk) 14:45, 10 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  • Support. I agree with Granger and AndreCarrotflower that the "Nearby" section should be removed and its content put somewhere else, but it's otherwise a well-formatted article with plenty of useful information that will be good as an OtBP. Selfie City (talk) 02:06, 5 June 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Is this one going to sit here until September 2019 (as per time to feature)? In that case, I believe we'll need one more nominee for one of the spring months 2019. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:44, 4 August 2018 (UTC)[]
I had indeed envisioned this for September 2019. We actually need two more spring 2019 OtBPs - April and June (leaving room for Gaspé Peninsula in August) - as well as DotMs for May 2019 (I have one in mind for May that I'll be nominating shortly), July 2019, and everything past September 2019. Oddly enough, we've come to a point now where FTTs are pretty consistently the most well-stocked of the three categories. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 18:54, 4 August 2018 (UTC)[]
The nice Bouzigues article TT has been working on is one that I'd really really like to see as OtBP; maybe next spring :). Ilulissat is another one (per Wikivoyage_talk:Destination_of_the_month_candidates#Unfeatured_regions), though at the moment we have quite many OtBP candidates from North America.
For DotM, Kaunas is one article I've had my eyes on for several years (yes I know, there's currently a ton of European DotM candidates, but over the years we've had surprisingly few DotMs from Europe east of the former Iron Curtain). Kaunas could work as OtBP too. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:40, 4 August 2018 (UTC)[]

The CanadianEdit

Place: The Canadian
Blurb: One of the world's great rail journeys, passing through the snow-capped Rockies, the majestic Prairies, and the primeval forests of Northern Ontario on its 4,500-kilometre trek from Vancouver to Toronto. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: because travel topics are featured late in the month: May-Sep
Nominated by: ϒψιλον (talk) 19:43, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
Comment: As it in the nomination of Roman Empire (which itself still isn't safe from getting slushed) was mentioned that "many other upcoming FTT candidates that need a great deal of work before being featureable - Judaism [slushed], Jazz, LGBT travel for example - it's probable that at least one of them won't get the required fixes in time and will need to be slushed", I figured it could be good to have a spare topic article for one of the spring/summer months.[]

What's more, Gaspé Peninsula together with its subarticles was mentioned as a possible OtBP candidate for August, but two weeks before August's articles will show up in the schedule, it's not nominated and many subarticles aren't up to the superb standards Andre likes to bring up the articles to  ;) . So I've nominated Igls as an alternative for August's OtBP, but as this also will mean there's nothing from Canada next summer, (should one of the articles above need to be slushed) there's room for this interesting train itinerary!

Across Canada by train that considerably overlaps this article was FTT in June 2013, would that be a problem? We have featured cities and individual district articles from the same city so it shouldn't.

  • Almost The article lacks a good description of what you can see on the route between the stops, which the WP article has. in a way the article is too focussed on the facilities and not he journey. AlasdairW (talk) 23:41, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[]
With the improved route description, I now support this article. AlasdairW (talk) 23:11, 31 July 2019 (UTC)[]
Comment: I have quickly looked through the article more closely and, considering how beautiful the route is, I think some more information about sights to see (while on the train) would be good. Otherwise, looks like a good article. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 01:47, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[]
OK, I'll have a look at what's written about the route over at Wikipedia; probably there is a great deal to bring over from there. For the record, I think this article was modeled after the Trans-Siberian Railway whose article also focuses on the train itself and major stops. ϒψιλον (talk) 18:54, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[]
Probably, that's accurate. And, interestingly, that one's a guide article too, so maybe some day it too could be FTT. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 01:18, 26 February 2019 (UTC)[]
The Transsib was, back in 2014. Articles that have the little orange pen logo in the upper right corner of the banner have been FTT at some point in the past (just as those that have the green check mark have been DotM or OtBP). ϒψιλον (talk) 09:33, 1 March 2019 (UTC)[]
  • Comment The route description from Wikipedia is now imported. It did take a little while, especially as Wikipedia's description was written from Vancouver to Toronto (opposite direction of our guide until now) and the content included references, links to articles etc. What's more, some "smart" person(s) at WP had used imperial units at several occasions for mountain altitudes and bridges at least, but I'll deal with that later. ϒψιλον (talk) 21:37, 16 March 2019 (UTC)[]
  • Interestingly, Mr Mark Smith, railway travel enthusiast and owner of the site (I think all train travel fans and people interested in reading about long distance train travel know this site) is traveling from London (UK) to Victoria (British Columbia) overland and is right now onboard The Canadian. See for some pics and videos of his trip (also includes crossing the Atlantic by cruise ship). --Ypsilon (talk) 18:40, 24 August 2019 UTC)

August 2019Edit


Place: Sarajevo
Blurb: An intriguing blend of Germanic and Ottoman architecture — not to mention a turbulent history whose scars are still evident — befit the East-meets-West location of Bosnia and Herzegovina's mountain-ringed capital. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: May-Sep as a summer destination, though there are also some winter events and winter sports facilities (actually the 1984 Winter Olympics was held here)
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 17:58, 1 October 2017 (UTC)
Comment: We've never featured any article from anywhere in the Balkans, so let's amend that now! The article has been extensively edited as of lately, so we don't need to run everything through Google to check if it's up to date like we usually have to. I don't see any major problems with the article, but it does have a ton of See listings. Discussion is underway for what to do with them (see numerous threads on Talk:Sarajevo), but there is almost a year until the article will appear on the Main Page anyway, so there is plenty of time to make decisions and take action. When that is resolved, I'll upgrade my vote to full support. Good that we this time we have several people around who know the destination.[]

  • Conditional support per comment. ϒpsilon (talk) 17:58, 1 October 2017 (UTC)[]
  • I would say districtification would probably be necessary before it gets promoted to Star, but for purposes of DotM I think the status quo works fine. There are no other problems with the article either, so I gladly vote support and send out my congratulations to User:Loaoa for his/her impressive contributions. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 22:41, 2 October 2017 (UTC)[]
  • Support. I agree that districtification isn't needed for dotm right now, though if the article gets too much longer it might be worth considering. —Granger (talk · contribs) 01:00, 12 October 2017 (UTC)[]
  • Support. Article is very readable, and although there are many See items, they are properly sectioned so I don't think that districtification would provide an added value here. Article looks very complete, why isn't this a Star yet? ArticCynda (talk) 16:57, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[]
Because the Star nominations page is in practice dead since the last couple of years.ϒpsilon (talk) 17:11, 20 January 2018 (UTC)[]
But feel free to nominate it if you think that's warranted. Ikan Kekek (talk) 02:39, 21 January 2018 (UTC)[]
So does that mean we're not nominating Stars anymore? And if so, why is that? ArticCynda (talk) 20:51, 2 February 2018 (UTC)[]
We are working to increase the number of active Wikivoyage editors. In the interim, however, it has sometimes proven difficult to sustain consistent participation in certain features of the site. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 20:54, 2 February 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Support. It's pretty long, but in general I think the article looks like a fine feature. Selfie City (talk) 01:21, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Lukewarm support. The problem is that public transport to Sarajevo has dried up. This will hurt the viability of its visitor amenities and attractions, so the listings need review. Grahamsands (talk) 09:39, 4 April 2019 (UTC)[]


Place: Olomouc
Blurb: Named after Julius Caesar according to local legend, this undiscovered gem of the Czech Republic is packed with historical monuments. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: May-Sep
Nominated by: ϒψιλον (talk) 18:23, 9 March 2019 (UTC)
Comment: Central Europe outside Germany and Switzerland is another part of the world that gets very little time on the Main Page compared to the number of visitors, and as such this is a perfect replacement for Igls. This is also our very first Czech feature. The article was already a guide, and the See section looked great and I added a couple of listings from the it-WV, so here it is.[]

  • Support -- ϒψιλον (talk) 18:23, 9 March 2019 (UTC)[]
  • Support - lovely old place, wish I could have stayed longer. Grahamsands (talk) 21:50, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[]
  • Almost - It is a great city, which I visited a long time ago. The See section looked good. There is no Buy section, which is an omission for a city of this size, and Sleep could have a couple more listings. The rail and bus fares need to be checked as they were the same in 2013. AlasdairW (talk) 23:01, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[]
  • Like AlasdairW, I vote almost. I also agree that there ought to be a section with information about buying souvenirs, and there are not enough options for where to sleep. I think the adjustments can be made if someone knows the area or can translate it from another language wiki, but unfortunately in its current state the article just doesn't have quite enough options and information in some parts. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 23:14, 3 April 2019 (UTC)[]
  •   Done For the Eat and Sleep sections I had already previously brought over everything possible from other language versions (not very much if I remember correctly). But luckily many places were name-dropped in text paragraphs in this article so I checked those up and created listings for them, and as you can see there are now more Eat and Sleep listings.
The Buy section I just brought over from the Italian version, and I would be surprised if souvenirs couldn't be found where potential customers for them (ie. tourists) usually roam, that is, at or near the sights, just as elsewhere in the world.
The public transport fare in the city seems to be the same, and I just updated the train fares from Prague. Though as long-distance fares on trains, buses, planes etc. nowadays can vary radically from what someone else has paid before, I think there's not much point to have them here down to the exact koruna (would be better to have it as train fares from Prague are in general 200-300 Kč) --Ypsilon (talk) 12:13, 23 June 2019 (UTC)[]
Haven't had time to look through it properly yet, but one glaring omission is a 'By plane' section to get in. I assume there is no local airport, so really there needs to be information on where the nearest airport(s) is/are (Prague?), and how you can make the transfer to Olomouc.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 12:50, 23 June 2019 (UTC)[]
The airport looks to be run by the flying club, so I have listed the 5 nearest airports with commercial flights, as the nearest 2 don't have many flights. AlasdairW (talk) 23:26, 23 June 2019 (UTC)[]
I updated the "train" section as bits of it were out of date. Getting from Prague airport to the main railway station is trivially easy (and already covered in Prague). filelakeshoe (talk) 20:43, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[]
  • Comment: the whole "named after Julius Caesar" thing is just one of many possibilities regarding the unclear and disputed etymology of the name Olomouc (see cswiki which lists several others in the "jméno" section, some of which are unsourced and seem quite ridiculous, but the one attributed to Ertl and Polívková which suggests it might come from an old personal name "Olomút" is more believable for example.) I would not include the Julius Caesar etymology in the blurb as if it's a definite fact (the article frames it better with "legend has it"), for this reason and also that even if the Juliomontium > Olomouc etymology is the right one the fort might still have been named after another Julius. filelakeshoe (talk) 20:43, 8 July 2019 (UTC)[]
I see your point; the article says that "The first written mention of a settlement at Olomouc is almost 1,000 years ago..." That was long after Julius Caesar; therefore, we should be careful to make an assumption about the name where there is little or no evidence. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 14:13, 9 July 2019 (UTC)[]
  • Support - the remaining issues that I can see (paucity of photos, slightly too few 'Sleep' listings, the aforementioned Julius Caesar blurb) are minor and can be easily dealt with.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 23:31, 12 July 2019 (UTC)[]
  • Did I not vote on this one yet? Here's the fourth support vote to make it official. :) -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 23:40, 12 July 2019 (UTC)[]

Magellan-Elcano circumnavigationEdit

Place: Magellan-Elcano circumnavigation
Blurb: 500 years ago this month, five ships and 270 men left Seville to do what no explorer in history had done before: sail around the world. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Jul, Aug or Sep 2019 to celebrate the half millenium since the start of this journey
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 20:02, 8 July 2018 (UTC)
Comment: I started this little project back in 2016, already then looking to bring it up to guide status until 2019. Per a little discussion on the article's talk page, I just added the Magellan-related attractions along the route the modern day voyager can visit, and can't come to think of much else to add to the article. You can read about Magellan's journey, and there's advice for getting from place to place and what you can see at each point in the itinerary.[]

  • Support --ϒpsilon (talk) 20:02, 8 July 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Support. Nice itinerary article, and I like the idea of featuring it for the 500th anniversary. —Granger (talk · contribs) 00:32, 9 July 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Support Pashley (talk) 02:25, 9 July 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Support. Good work, Ypsi. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 02:46, 9 July 2018 (UTC)[]
I think the problem described at Talk:Magellan-Elcano circumnavigation#Verb tenses needs fixing before it is featured. Pashley (talk) 15:13, 9 July 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Support, especially if we put it all in past tense. Selfie City (talk) 00:19, 6 August 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Support per Selfie City. I just did some copy editing. Capitalization was a problem, but I think I may have gotten all the stray "River"s and "Hill"s that were part of proper names (and the "strait" that wasn't). I definitely think everything that happened in the past should be recounted in past tense, both because it's more intuitive and to make a stronger contrast with present-tense advice on current-day travel. I made some progress toward that, but more needs to be done if everyone is OK with putting the past in the past. I hope some of the things that are presumed ("you can probably take a bus/boat to X") are confirmed before the article is run. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:53, 6 August 2018 (UTC)[]
  • See also my comments at #Metro Cebu above about featuring that article around the 500th anniversary of his visit there, April 2021. Pashley (talk) 22:57, 25 September 2018 (UTC)[]

July 2019Edit


Place: Berlin
Blurb: Germany's capital was at the heart of the Cold War and still bears the scars of wars and partition, but it's quickly reclaiming its place as one of Europe's — if not the world's — top cities. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: any - Berlin weather is terrible year round (though Spaniards falling in love with Berlin summer on holiday only to be miserable during their winter-Erasmus are surprisingly common) and there is really something to do all year (which might explain why Hertha BSC has trouble attracting fans)
Nominated by: Hobbitschuster (talk) 17:45, 26 July 2017 (UTC)
Comment: I know we have more than enough German language places "in the pipeline", but I just wanted to get this nominated there's no rush to get this actually featured; it can well languish here if some considerations make this necessary, but in case we have to slush something on short notice, I want this to be ready[]

  • Comment - this is currently rated at usable, simply because I did not unilaterally want to promote it to guide. I think it is quite ready, but a bit of copy-editing might still be necessary. At any rate, we can safely hold this one in reserve (we have a lot of Central European places and topics as is imho) until we need an emergency replacement Hobbitschuster (talk) 17:47, 26 July 2017 (UTC)[]
  • Almost some sections are listy, and then there are listings in See and Do that should be moved to the district articles. As such, I'd say there is enough information in the article so that the average visitor wouldn't have to consult another travel guide. Therefore, it can probably be upgraded to guide status. --ϒpsilon (talk) 19:03, 26 July 2017 (UTC)[]
Conditional support — there are still some listings in the Do section that need to be moved to the districts and replaced here by a paragraph or two of text. When that's taken care of, this can be considered a full support, I might fix the issue in a few days if nobody else will have. --Ypsilon (talk) 19:51, 8 June 2019 (UTC)[]
I was about to move the listings to the districts, but now I notice they are already there. Should we maybe just leave the cultural institutions there as they are and remove the style tag from Do (e.g. we also seem to list the "must sees" in Paris#Landmarks with coordinates and descriptions, and the top sights in Tel Aviv#See are similarily listed in the main article)? Or just delete them or list them some other way? Ypsilon (talk) 10:28, 14 June 2019 (UTC)[]
I'd suggest emulating Chicago#See and Chicago#Do. It's a star article, and it doesn't have templated listings for anything in those sections except for some college sports teams. Ikan Kekek (talk) 10:37, 14 June 2019 (UTC)[]
  • Close, the main problem being the issue Ypsi brought up about "See" and "Do" listings that need to be devolved to district articles (there also seem to be some "Do" listings that violate our tour policy and should thus be deleted outright). Also, though it's not usual practice to do so, I wonder if there's anything that can be done about the exhaustive list of embassies and consulates in "Cope". If not, no big deal - Berlin is a national capital, after all - but it seems pretty Yellow Page-y. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 22:51, 30 July 2017 (UTC)[]
  • Another thing: The article currently has no routebox whatsoever. How important should the existence and completeness of a routebox be for featuring? Hobbitschuster (talk) 15:34, 2 August 2017 (UTC)[]
  • Before featuring, I'd like somebody to go over the language and a sprucing up of the district blurbs. Otherwise I think the article is fine and getting better. And the district layout now makes sense for the most part, though I am still not 100% sure what to do with Wedding... Hobbitschuster (talk) 20:09, 23 March 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Weak support. I would support this completely, except that the "Do" section has some problems and the article seems to be understand- and get in- heavy. Selfie City (talk) 01:15, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Comment: I'm not a regular participant on this project, just someone who came to read this particular page. I noticed that quite a few of the external links in the museum section need to be changed, as they're leading to 404-pages. Other than that, I found the article informative. Risker (talk) 05:47, 12 December 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Comment we never quite resolved the boundaries of Berlin/East Central and whether we should redraw them and if so, how. Hobbitschuster (talk) 20:27, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[]
  • I created a (quite crude) approximation of the "Wedding and Gesundbrunnen" district in my userspace. Obviously the lede and the understand section would have to be worked on and some other issues as well... Hobbitschuster (talk) 20:47, 4 February 2019 (UTC)[]


Place: Yuryev-Polsky
Blurb: Smack-dab in the middle of the Golden Ring tourist circuit yet relatively little visited, this sleepy old Russian town is gathered around a magnificent 13th-century cathedral. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Jun 2018 preferred, otherwise Apr-Aug
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 04:02, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
Comment: Ordinarily I'd be hesitant to nominate an article that needs so much work before featuring (see my comments below), but several factors converge to make Yuryev-Polsky IMO the best choice for the still-vacant June 2018 OtBP slot.[]

For one, the geographical options are limited:

  • the nearby articles on the bracket trend very heavily toward Northwestern Europe (Erlangen OtBP May 2018, Höfn OtBP July 2018, Wales DotM July 2018)
  • through the end of 2018, we're already saturated with the maximum number of North American nominees we can handle (Underground Railroad, FTT July 2018, took the last available slot),
  • the convergence of Downtown Shanghai (DotM May 2018) and Ottoman Empire (FTT May 2018) would make an Asian feature awkward (especially given that we want to stay away from more equatorial regions like the Arabian Peninsula, the Indian Subcontinent, and Southeast Asia around midsummer), and
  • for similar reasons of uncomfortably hot weather, Mediterranean Europe is also less than ideal for a June-July Main Page sojourn.

Secondly, it's worth noting that other than Yuzhno-Sakhalinsk - a Siberian wilderness backwater closer to Seattle than Moscow - it's been since 2013 that we've featured a Russian destination on the Main Page.

Finally: though this article appears to be a more-or-less straight translation of its analogue on ru: and there's little if anything more to be gleaned from translating from there, it bears emphasizing that Yuryev-Polsky is part of the "Golden Ring" tourist circuit of Russian historic cities, so the chances are good that we can glean additional information from the Internet to flesh out the listings.

  • Not yet, though the problems with this article are easier fixes than it may look like at first blush. The most demanding task here is the need to flesh out the "Get around" section. (For starters, it looks like much of the prose in the "Orientation" subsection of "Understand" could be retooled and moved there.) There are many others which, while also major deficiencies, require relatively little actual work to fix:
  • There is no dynamic map, nor any geo coordinates for the listings.
  • The bullet-point lists in the various "Get in" subsections should be converted to prose, and in "By plane", we might want to give directions to the town from the various Moscow-area airports.
  • The "Eat" and "Sleep" sections might need to be expanded; "Drink" definitely does.
  • "Go next" and "See" need to be reformatted to conform with Wikivoyage convention.
  • The article looks like it could use a thorough copyedit.
-- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 04:02, 23 November 2017 (UTC)[]
I'll take your word for all the things that need to be fixed, but one quick and tangential comment: There is no convergence between Shanghai and the Ottoman Empire. You might as well say there's a convergence between Tierra del Fuego and Alaska, considering the distance and cultural differences involved. Asia is the world's largest continent, and I believe that featuring two places at entirely opposite ends of the continent at the same time should never be considered any kind of issue by us. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:10, 23 November 2017 (UTC)[]
Yes, but as I said, the majority of Asia is unsuitable for featuring in summer for climatic reasons (which incidentally is why we see a disproportionate abundance of Asian destinations in the Northern Hemisphere fall and winter; this year's relative lack thereof is an anomaly). The Ottoman Empire at its height stretched as far east as Iran and the Caucasus, we already have a Chinese feature, and anywhere south of there is a no-go for the summer. Among regions for which we have Guide-level articles, what other than Russia is left? Japan, which we've seen plenty of on the Main Page in recent years (Kurashiki, Kyoto, Taketomi, Nagoya) and what else? Not much as far as I can see. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 04:16, 23 November 2017 (UTC)[]
I get your point. What else there is, I would say, would be primarily hill stations and mountainous areas. There are actually a fair number of them. We featured Shimla some time ago, for example. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:23, 23 November 2017 (UTC)[]
Parenthetically, "convergence" referred to those two destinations converging on the schedule into relative proximity to one another and to a hypothetical additional Asian feature, not to any presumed cultural or geographical redundancy between them. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 04:33, 23 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  • Needs work — André already brought up most things that need to be fixed in the article. In addition several prices given as per 2008, so everything in the article should probably be checked up.
And yes, summer in Northern Hemisphere usually means rain in the tropics north of the Equator (the same goes for Austral summer in the southern tropics) and the during that time of the year places like the Arabian desert are only for hardcore fans of hot weather. So viable Asian places to visit during Jun-Sep probably amount to Russia, some of Central Asia, some of East Asia, and then places in the southern tropics like most of Indonesia. --ϒpsilon (talk) 17:43, 23 November 2017 (UTC)[]
BTW I came up with an alternative to this one, see #Piton de la Fournaise below. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:14, 17 December 2017 (UTC)[]
Slush? ϒpsilon (talk) 20:09, 30 April 2018 (UTC)[]
André? (also, see #Venice's nomination above, probably that one should also be slushed when we're at it) ϒpsilon (talk) 14:33, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[]
Why the push to slush? Just because we didn't feature Yuryev-Polsky this year doesn't mean we can't feature it next year. Also, Venice is already on the schedule for September, with several months remaining in which its problems can be ironed out. (And please don't underestimate the possibility of that; Underground Railroad is a great example of an article that went from extremely problematic to feature-ready in a short period of time. Thanks go to K7L for his efforts, BTW.) -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 14:49, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Almost. The fact that this whole article doesn't have one coordinate marker almost immediately gave me doubts about it. Also, it would be nice if see and do had some listings beside man-made structures. The understand and get in section seem to make this article okay until you realize that the article only has one picture, excluding the banner. Selfie City (talk) 23:59, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Comment: I should mention that Andre's statement "Though this article appears to be a more-or-less straight translation of its analogue on ru: and there's little if anything more to be gleaned from translating from there" is not true. The Russian article has been re-worked based on the recent on-the-ground research, and there is a lot to learn from it, should anyone be interested. --Alexander (talk) 16:30, 1 February 2019 (UTC)[]
  • Question: Has anyone translated the additional text from Russian since February 1? Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:20, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[]
Per the article history hardly any substantial edits have been made to the article as of lately. Ypsilon (talk) 05:19, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[]
So it presumably isn't ready for a feature. I can't help because I don't know Russian. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:25, 11 June 2019 (UTC)[]
I've brought over (and translated) stuff from the Russian version and otherwise cleaned up the article a bit. Should be ready or almost ready for the Main Page now. --Ypsilon (talk) 15:59, 16 June 2019 (UTC)[]
As usual, Ypsilon, you're a lifesaver. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 18:02, 16 June 2019 (UTC)[]

Vikings and the Old NorseEdit

Place: Vikings and the Old Norse
Blurb: The marauding, seafaring Norsemen of old left their mark all over Europe, and even ventured as far as Central Asia and North America. Here we retrace their steps. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: April-September. Preferrably June/July or July/August, as most outdoor events take place in summer.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 04:54, 28 December 2017 (UTC)
Comment: The article has grown over time, and now has an impressive history section, and a long list of destinations.[]

  • Comment: It's interesting and likely to get my vote, but a quick read of the first few paragraphs demonstrated to me that this article is going to need to be edited with a fine-toothed comb, for both clarity and standard, clear English. I think the editing will take a while, but the content certainly looks to be there. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:09, 28 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  • Almost Otherwise a good article, though I would imagine there'd be a some more places in Iceland and Norway worth listing. --ϒpsilon (talk) 10:40, 1 January 2018 (UTC)[]
  • In addition to the relative dearth of Icelandic and Norwegian POIs pointed out by Ypsilon, it's strange that the article simply ends abruptly after the lengthy list of "Locations". If there nothing to say in the realm of "Stay safe"? No "Related topics" to delve into? -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 17:29, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Support, can't tell if the article needs copyediting, but it's probably better to let native English speakers take care of that :). I recently added a stash of destinations in Norway and Iceland, and a See also section with some links. For Stay safe; well the Nordic countries are nowadays some of the safest in the world so I don't really know what to add. If the problems many users have pointed out with the Underground Railroad article aren't resolved, here is a spare article. ϒpsilon (talk) 05:52, 27 February 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Support. After scanning through this article, it has plenty of good images and a lot of listings of places like L'Anse Aux Meadows where Viking remains and reconstructions can be found. This definitely ought to be a Featured Travel Topic at some point. Selfie City (talk) 13:44, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[]
  • I'm belatedly noticing the additions Ypsilon made some months ago, and now I feel I can support this candidate. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:40, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[]

June 2019Edit


Place: Fukuoka
Blurb: Warm weather, a friendly populace, and a relative lack of chaos combine to make Kyushu's lively yet laid-back hub city a great introduction for first-time visitors to Japan. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Mar-Nov, Jul and Aug less preferable due to heat and humidity
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:19, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
Comment: Our Summer 2019 schedule is chock full of U.S. and European destinations; here's something different.[]

  • Very close, and the fixes are fairly easy. The "Do" section is the biggest problem: it contains plenty of content but is disorganized. Many of the listings belong in other sections: "See", "Buy", "Eat", and even "Go next"; the rest should be broken down into subcategories. In addition, "Eat" could use a few more restaurant listings to go with the copious information about local specialties, there are many listings without coordinates, and the lede needs to be expanded and made more interesting. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:19, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Needs work. André already listed the article's issues. The fact the so many listings lack coordinates may indicate that they have been added before we introduced coordinates and dynamic maps here on WV, so we should check if the establishments still exist.ϒψιλον (talk) 21:27, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[]
Time to run everything through Google Maps, I will probably do it during the weekend if I have time. Thanks to AlasdairW for starting. Ypsilon (talk) 10:13, 1 May 2019 (UTC)[]
Sadly I haven't had too much time to contribute as of lately, but I added some coordinates yesterday. Kudos to everyone who has been improving the Fukuoka article for its upcoming month on the Main Page. I think I will give the article a support vote as of now. Ypsilon (talk) 16:00, 25 May 2019 (UTC)[]
  • Almost. I have done some edits, but more are required. I added co-ordinates to a few listings, but this is slow as our map uses Kanji characters. I spent one night in Fukuoka in 2005, but I didn't have much time to explore. I don't see massive errors, but I don't know how up to date it is. AlasdairW (talk) 21:41, 30 April 2019 (UTC)[]
I now support featuring this. It is still a little short of co-ordinates, mainly in Buy and Eat, but See and Sleep are now complete. I did delete quite a few closed places, so feel free to add a few more listings. AlasdairW (talk) 22:14, 8 May 2019 (UTC)[]
In a country like Japan there's really no excuse for any listing to lack coordinates. If no one else gets to it first, I will do my best to add those that are lacking, but can't in good conscience change my vote to "support" until that happens. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 21:41, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[]
Wow. The time formatting was all over the place, even shifting from 12-hr to 24-hr within a listing. I've fixed it now. I'm afraid I can't help with coordinates, though. Ground Zero (talk) 21:52, 23 May 2019 (UTC)[]
Weak support- Well, This article is not bad as it is... I think this qualifies as a DOTM. The buy section is not filled at it's entire capacity, but other than that, i do not see much bigger flaws in this article. I think it's almost good to go... Arep Ticous 09:37, 24 May 2019 (UTC)[]
  • Thank you Ypsilon for coming through in the clutch once again. Since coordinates are no longer an issue, I'm able to support this nominee. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 19:34, 25 May 2019 (UTC)[]
  • Support per others. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 19:37, 25 May 2019 (UTC)[]


Place: Ilulissat
Blurb: Iceberg spotting doesn't get much better than in this colorful town on the shore of Greenland's Disko Bay, home to almost as many sled dogs as people. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: As close to midsummer as possible.
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 01:49, 3 November 2018 (UTC)
Comment: I once remarked that "I would love to see somewhere in Greenland on the Main Page", and wouldn't you know it, a year later we have a viable candidate (and one remaining Summer 2019 schedule slot to fill)![]

  • Support as nominator. Looks reasonably ready, but there are a few listings in the "Do" section (Arctic Adventure and Sports Centre Ilulissat) that lack descriptions. Also, are we sure all the tours listed in the "Tour companies" section are value-added? --AndreCarrotflower (talk) 01:49, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Support. There are a few redlinks and the "Understand" section could be better, but I think we can do it for a particularly off-the-beaten-path DOTM. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 05:14, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Support as the one who polished up the article a little while ago. ϒψιλον (talk) 21:28, 3 November 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Support. Just needs descriptions for those last couple of "Do" listings and it looks ready. —Granger (talk · contribs) 08:21, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[]

Seinfeld TourEdit

Place: Seinfeld Tour
Blurb: Like Kramer's hapless customers in "The Muffin Tops", you too can see all the real-life locations featured in the "show about nothing". (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: June 2019 to coincide with the 30th anniversary of the first broadcast of the pilot episode on NBC (1989-07-05)
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 16:25, 7 February 2019 (UTC)
Comment: Now that this article is on the schedule, I guess it's time to formally nominate it.[]

  • Support, pending the improvements outlined at Talk:Seinfeld Tour#To-do list for bringing this article to Guide status. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 16:25, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[]
  • Conditional support - I'm confident you will make those additions, but it's undeniable that most of your suggestions would be an improvement so ought to be in place before featuring.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 17:10, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[]
  • Conditional support As always when there are several contributors (Andre, Ikan, ARR8, ויקיג'אנקי...) that are much more knowledgeble about a topic or place than myself, I'll support it when you will. ϒψιλον (talk) 17:34, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[]
  • Condition support ARR8 (talk | contribs) 23:47, 7 February 2019 (UTC)[]
  • Not to seem blunt, but I oppose until it reaches guide status. When it reaches guide status, I plan to comment here with a different vote (I will put the page on my watchlist). --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 01:44, 8 February 2019 (UTC)[]
SelfieCity, this article is now at Guide status. Would you care to update your vote? -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 03:45, 14 April 2019 (UTC)[]
Support as promised. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 04:09, 14 April 2019 (UTC)[]
  • Support - Very impressive guide with star potential, IMO. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:41, 14 April 2019 (UTC)[]
  • Outcome - FTT for June 2019. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 23:56, 20 June 2019 (UTC)[]

May 2019Edit


Place: Kaunas
Blurb: Lithuania's second city is a first-rate place to experience majestic architecture, hedonistic nightlife, and one of the most vibrant art and cultural scenes in the Baltic States. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: May-Aug (there was an open slot in June 2019???)
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 18:52, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
Comment: In 2014 I spent some time cleaning up and updating this article, hoping to see it on the Main Page as DotM or OtBP (Kaunas is one of those places that aren't really on the beaten path but not really off either) but that did never happen. There's a lot of information in all sections but it needs to be updated before we run the article, also there are some POIs added later that lack coordinates.[]

  • Support, but those updates need to be done a little before the article is featured. --ϒpsilon (talk) 18:52, 12 August 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Support, but as the second-largest city in the country, I think this is a DotM rather than an OtBP. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 18:57, 12 August 2018 (UTC)[]
Could work as both DotM and OtBP, it's a major city but in one of the lesser visited parts of Europe. If it wouldn't result in too many European articles in the DotM section (which I was afraid it would), feel free to move it up there. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:06, 12 August 2018 (UTC)[]
I think there's more in the OTBP section than DOTM, so it would make sense to be moved to DOTM. Also, I haven't voted on this one yet, and from what I've seen it looks quite good, and I support. What I would like to see however, considering the Pleasanton nomination I made, is longer descriptions for listings in Kaunas' eat section. Selfie City (talk) 19:23, 12 August 2018 (UTC)[]
I guess Kaunas should be moved up to the DotM section, then. I'll try to expand the listings when running them through Google maps a few weeks before the article is featured. --ϒpsilon (talk) 10:35, 21 August 2018 (UTC)[]
No objections, so I'll move Kaunas up to DotM now. ϒpsilon (talk) 16:00, 5 October 2018 (UTC)[]

Support --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 08:11, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[]


Place: Pleasanton
Blurb: The name of this East Bay city is no false boast: an old cowboy town-turned-commuter suburb with a cosmopolitan ambience and a picture-perfect Victorian downtown. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Oct-Nov or Mar-May are the optimal months due to climate, but Dec-Feb could also work
Nominated by: Selfie City (talk) 01:48, 23 May 2018 (UTC)
Comment: I’ve significantly expanded this article over the last few months and it now seems ready for being on something like this. On May 26, I also added a different banner that really improves the presentation of the article.[]

  • Support, not just because I’m the nominator and I know the area well, but also because this is now a well-developed article about the place. Selfie City (talk) 01:48, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Qualified support - You've done great work and I trust you that this content-laden guide is comprehensive. However, some work remains. I just made these edits for brevity, and I think the whole article could probably merit the same kind of careful reading and editing for style and brevity. Also, I see the Main Street sign arch in at least 3 pictures, so I think 2 of those should be removed from the article. The remaining images should be distributed a bit more evenly through the article, not bunched up, thereby leaving areas without images. A further comment would be that "By car/Driving" looks too detailed for visitors. I agree with naming and describing the most important roads, but for the rest, I'd rather let readers consult a map. I'll look more closely at other sections another time and may have more comments. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:04, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[]
I have done some work removing two pictures and removing some listings from "By car/Driving". I will now do some reorganizing of the pictures. Selfie City (talk) 13:25, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[]
I can get to work on the listings. I don't know a lot about every business I've listed (some, hardly at all), but I could add to some of the listings. Selfie City (talk) 01:56, 30 May 2018 (UTC)[]
Also, ϒpsilon, having improved the listing in the "eat" section of Pleasanton, I have gone back and checked the link you made to the archive. Pleasanton only has 80,000-90,000 inhabitants, so I would say it's probably OtBP as I initially stated. Selfie City (talk) 14:30, 30 May 2018 (UTC)[]
AndreCarrotflower: I'm assuming you are referring to the listings in the sections "buy", "drink", and "sleep", which definitely need more information. I'll get to work on this right away. Selfie City (talk) 18:36, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Support. Good, thorough article. You can tell it's had a lot of careful attention from someone who knows the city. I agree with Ikan Kekek that some editing for brevity wouldn't hurt. —Granger (talk · contribs) 03:56, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[]
  • Support - really nice article written with plenty of local knowledge and a dash of humour.--ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:51, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[]
  • I've been through the article to make sure I didn't do any copyvios (some of the stuff was written in my very early days of experience with wikis). Apart from a few dates (as in years), information I likely got from scrolling through a street or two on street view, and a little information about Xfinity that's half based on local knowledge and half on a diagram from Wikipedia, I don't see any issues whatsoever, and these little things honestly don't seem like serious issues to me. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 21:33, 25 April 2019 (UTC)[]

Roman EmpireEdit

Place: Roman Empire
Blurb: The dominant political force in Europe for half a millennium and the font of much of Western civilization, whose ancient ruins and remains attract visitors to sites across the Mediterranean Basin and beyond. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Spring or autumn
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 04:56, 20 September 2017 (UTC)
Comment: A highlight in the historical travel series. The marker counter is capped at 99; maybe we can find a workaround?[]

  • I want to vote Support here, because it's a well-written article on one of my personal favorite historical subjects. However, I'm not sure if the marker counter being capped at 99 is a bug so much as a feature. The plain fact of any article having over 99 listings (even a travel topic article, and especially an article with a dynamic map) is a pretty big red flag for me that says maybe we need to think about whether all of these places really need to be listed, or whether it should be split up into smaller articles (much as previous FTT Fundamentals of flying was), perhaps with Roman Empire itself serving as sort of a "Huge City" analogue: a summarization of and portal to the more fine-grained information in the daughter articles. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 05:29, 20 September 2017 (UTC)[]
  • Conditional support. The 99 problems (now I got Jay-Z's song on continuous replay in my head, thanks a lot :P) need to be fixed. One possible workaround would be splitting them up geographically (e.g. 1. today's Italy, 2. France+Iberia, 3. British Isles+Central Europe+Benelux, 4. Balkan+Greece, 5. Turkey+Middle East, 6. Northern Africa) and use different markers for destinations in different regions. ϒpsilon (talk) 11:04, 20 September 2017 (UTC)[]
  • Not yet; there are just too many listings. I think many of them should be pushed down to destination articles and just a summary (maybe with listing for cities, but not individual attractions) kept here. A recent discussion of a similar issue is at Wikivoyage:Travellers'_pub#Downtown_Shanghai. Pashley (talk) 18:31, 20 September 2017 (UTC)[]
  • Almost. The listing types should be changed to use different colours, and to avoid the present problem of having eight #1 listings. Individual listings should be trimmed to remove phone numbers, hours, prices etc, and these should be in a linked destination article. A bigger job is that all the destination articles need to be checked to see that they have related listings with the full details - I found four listings in Algeria linked to Batna but only one was in the very outline article. I don't think that there are too many listings - I would actually say the reverse that there are a few sights are missing (no Antonine Wall in Scotland). A few listings might be combined, but not many as most listings appear separately on the map at a zoom of 8. AlasdairW (talk) 20:45, 20 September 2017 (UTC)[]
Well, what does a good article do? Does it include every possible listing, or does it try to avoid overwhelming the reader with too much information (not to mention the dynamic map with too many markers, a problem that the proposed color-coding solution doesn't address)? I think the answer is pretty clearly the second option. I think this article really needs to be split up in the same way as Flying is split up into Planning your flight, At the airport, On the plane, and Arriving by plane. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 21:16, 20 September 2017 (UTC)[]
Breaking it out into Roman Britain, Roman France etc would be fine, just having a paragraph about the countries with more than a dozen or so listings, with a link to a country article. On reflection, a paragraph introducing each country would be a worthwhile addition (when was this territory part of the Roman Empire etc). AlasdairW (talk) 21:51, 20 September 2017 (UTC)[]
Let's remember that unless we're fine with having laundry lists of attractions, if the main Roman Empire article is splitted up, we also need to add more content to each of those subarticles. ϒpsilon (talk) 16:45, 23 September 2017 (UTC)[]
  • Comment. I really look forward for a solution to the "99 problems" and the completion of this article - it's very incomplete yet (p. ex. Skopje and Sevastopol both deserve to be mentioned), as I stopped adding to it when this bug got evident. For the record, I don't like very much the idea of splitting up the article, as it has already been very useful to me for reference purposes, both on planning stages for trips, and on the field itself. Having said that, I can very clearly see Pashley's point stated above, and don't want to suggest any hint of being "jealous" or "possessive" about what is written in the article. To be brief: Not yet. Ibaman (talk) 15:49, 4 October 2017 (UTC)[]
    • The Ottoman Empire is now nominated as an FTT. IMO, that article should go first. /Yvwv (talk) 18:37, 26 October 2017 (UTC)[]
  • Slush? Still only at usable status. Moreover, we'll have Vikings and the Old Norse in the summer of 2019, and I've envisioned Magellan-Elcano circumnavigation for a summer month 2019 too, as it will be 500 years since that journey started. And three historical topics within about half a year is perhaps a little too much. --ϒpsilon (talk) 20:15, 30 April 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Weak support in the long term. I'm not sure why Palmyra is a red marker and all the others are green, but other than that, the article seems well-developed and good enough to be guide status. However, with several other historical topics (like the Ottoman Empire) this summer, and all the issues addressed above, let's leave this nomination up here a little while longer and maybe see this article develop some more. Selfie City (talk) 04:23, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[]
Because Palmyra was largely destroyed by IS. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:17, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[]
That makes sense (I've read a book about the city), but I still think the red marker will be more confusing than informative. Also, it interrupts the flow of the numbered listings (it shows up as listing #1 but would normally be #38). Selfie City (talk) 23:21, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Support. I think this is a great reference travel article, which enthusiasts of Roman civilization can read while planning trips to France, Italy, Greece or any of another umpteen countries. I just copy edited through Roman Empire#The Roman Empire (the subsection in "Understand"), and I'm sure the article can benefit from more copy editing, but it sure looks good enough for a feature to me. Ikan Kekek (talk) 01:52, 13 May 2019 (UTC)[]

No one seems terribly interested in addressing this article's myriad problems, we already have another Featured Travel Topic on the docket for next year related to European history (Vikings and the Old Norse), as well as a soon-to-be FTT nominee with a summer 2019 timeslot envisaged (Seinfeld Tour). Is it time to throw Roman Empire on the slush pile? -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 07:24, 23 December 2018 (UTC)[]

Neutral At least the problem with the numbers is fixed now and the article is in my opinion definitely complete when it comes to listings — are there still some important Roman sites that aren't listed? That said, if y'all would like to divide the article into regions and rather feature the Roman Empire as a series of articles, then it'd be best to slush it and renominate e.g. in a year or two. ϒψιλον (talk) 18:55, 26 December 2018 (UTC)[]
Ypsilon, thank you for bringing to my attention that the issue with the numbers has been resolved and that the POIs are now spread out onto multiple different dynamic maps rather than all clustered together on one enormous one. Despite those fixes, I still think the article is longer than it ideally should be, and ultimately should be broken up into regions. But I also am not sure that those concerns are necessarily severe enough to preclude the article going on the Main Page. And of the many other upcoming FTT candidates that need a great deal of work before being featureable - Judaism, Jazz, LGBT travel for example - it's probable that at least one of them won't get the required fixes in time and will need to be slushed, thus making room on the schedule for the Seinfeld Tour. So I guess mark me down as weak support for Roman Empire. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 16:01, 20 January 2019 (UTC)[]
  • I see I gave the article a conditional support a year and a half ago when the POI numbers still were a problem, it has been fixed long ago. The article is about to go on the Main Page relatively soon, many users have given the article a (kinda) support vote, there are other articles in worse shape that are going to be slushed (which means it could be hard to find a replacement for this one), and the article has also been sitting around here for almost a year and a half already so let's not drag out this further. Some users have suggested the article is still incomplete and there are Roman sites that still need to be listed, but mirroring the discussion at LGBT travel's nomination below, I'm starting to think that if there are too many places listed, the article becomes too heavy to read (this is also why we have theWikivoyage:Avoid long lists policy). Therefore: full support from me. ϒψιλον (talk) 12:39, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[]

April 2019Edit


Place: Istanbul
Blurb: Bridging Europe and Asia, Turkey's largest city boasts all the rich history and cosmopolitan culture that you'd expect from the ancient seat of not one but two of the world's great empires. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Spring or autumn
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 21:17, 10 July 2018 (UTC)
Comment: A lenghty article with elaborate district articles. The history section could use more text. Slushed in 2010, but has improved a lot since then. Except the recently featured Ottoman Empire, Turkey has hardly ever been on our front page. A new airport will open this autumn.[]

  • I want to vote oppose on political grounds (Yeah, I know, I am a major class A hypocrite, having been there this year) but I know we don't do that here, so *shrug emoji*. That said, if we have an article of equal quality and similar geographic position and so on, we should prefer that over this... Hobbitschuster (talk) 00:52, 11 July 2018 (UTC)[]
    • The ethics of tourism to authoritarian countries (or countries which have become more authoritarian during recent years) have not been issues against featuring destinations in China, Thailand, or Qatar. There is no clear evidence that tourism to such countries would either erode or support democratization, so IMO it is a question for each individual traveller's conscience. /Yvwv (talk) 12:44, 25 July 2018 (UTC)[]
      • Agree with Yvwv. The current regime in Turkey is certainly not my favorite, but I have no issues with the fine people of Turkey. But perhaps keep clear of politics in this context. Istanbul is one of the great cities of the world and deserves a proper article. --Erik den yngre (talk) 11:51, 3 September 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Almost Pretty comprehensive article, and the districts range from excellent to decent (all are usable, and a couple of them probably deserve guide status). The main issue I have with the article is the overuse of bullet points in some sections towards the end of the article, and among them a manual of style warning box. Also, if there are things to update, the new airport and possibly other things, they certainly need to be updated. Though anything that is updated today should probably be checked up again a month before the article is featured.

It should be up to the travelers, not us, to decide what they think about Turkey, and whether they'd like to travel there or not. ϒpsilon (talk) 16:48, 2 August 2018 (UTC)[]

  • Almost. There are some formatting issues and a manual of style issue with the article, but I think these can be fixed. Selfie City (talk) 00:09, 6 August 2018 (UTC)[]

Istanbul is one of the world's great cities. I'd say that, whatever the political situation, if the article is up to scratch & there are no travel advisories against going there, then we should obviously feature it. Pashley (talk) 12:47, 12 September 2018 (UTC)[]


Place: Bouzigues
Blurb: In the sleepy oyster capital of France, walking the seafront and the old town alleys is an enjoyable experience. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: April 2019 as per discussion in #Kamphaeng Phet above? Otherwise probably Apr-Oct
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 09:09, 5 August 2018 (UTC)
Comment: As discussed in the Kamphaeng Phet thread above we need some articles to feature during the spring 2019. Here's a nice and well-written little article of a nice little Mediterranean town. I don't see anything that would need to be fixed, probably everything in the town is already in the article and it could be featured today. Also, this will only be the fourth overall feature and first OtBP from mainland France — by looking at how few French articles we've had on the Main Page it's hard to believe it's the most visited country in the world.[]

  • Support --ϒpsilon (talk) 09:09, 5 August 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Support. Looks ready to go. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:19, 5 August 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Support. I think it could do with some more information in some sections, but at the same time I wouldn't say it "needs work". It's also not a North America destination, which is good considering the schedule. Selfie City (talk) 00:16, 6 August 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Support, obviously, though I'm honoured this would be noticed and liked by others. I would look to improve it still further by adding some more history and organising the restaurants by price. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 12:16, 10 August 2018 (UTC)[]
    • BTW, it should be featured when there's an R in the month, which is when mussels and oysters are harvested (so basically not May-August). April or September would be ideal. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 12:19, 10 August 2018 (UTC)[]
      • There's an open slot in April with Bouzigues' name on it. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:51, 10 August 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Comment: per TT's comment on Talk:Bouzigues, I have now nominated Bouzigues for star status for the second time. TT's hope is that we can get the {{starcity}} template on this article by the time it reaches the Main page. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 03:44, 19 March 2019 (UTC)[]

Southern Ridges WalkEdit

Place: Southern Ridges Walk
Blurb: Join us on a walk through the greener side of Singapore. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Anytime (constant weather around the year), but probably best to run this some month in the colder half of the year in the temperate Northern Hemisphere
Nominated by: ϒψιλον (talk) 20:46, 28 December 2018 (UTC)
Comment: Hopefully not too early to think about FTTs for late 2019? Here's an interesting little itinerary that was worked on (and updated?) a few months ago by Renek78 and Bcd4e6 and I think would deserve a month on the Main Page.[]

  • Support -- ϒψιλον (talk) 20:46, 28 December 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Support - It looks a good walk, and is in a country / city where going for a walk is not the first attraction that springs to mind. AlasdairW (talk) 18:40, 11 January 2019 (UTC)[]
  • Support – looks like a solid article about an interesting walk. —Granger (talk · contribs) 04:08, 25 February 2019 (UTC)[]

March 2019Edit

Siem ReapEdit

Place: Siem Reap
Blurb: Though it's overshadowed by Angkor Wat, the huge complex of ancient ruins right next door, this backpacker party hub in northern Cambodia has plenty of sights and activities of its own. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Nov-Apr
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 18:42, 29 May 2018 (UTC)
Comment: The nominations page is filled to the brim with (Northern Hemisphere) summer destinations, but many of next winter's slots are still open. So how about this one for next winter's traditional Southeast Asian Dotm; we haven't presented anything from Cambodia since January 2009. Many listings are probably outdated, but as always it's probably better to deal with that closer to the time the article gets featured. Otherwise, the article is quite tidy and certainly not lacking content, so up-to-dateness is really the only reason why I'm not giving the article a full support yet. And yeah, the latter 3/4 of the article definitely needs some photos.[]

  • Conditional support per comment. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:42, 29 May 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Support, except for one issue: in the "drink" section, there are several listings with no content. Selfie City (talk) 02:41, 1 June 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Close. In addition to the foregoing issues, "Get in" needs to be redesigned: there are lots of bullet-point lists that ought to be turned into prose, as well as pseudo-section headers of italicized text that need to be brought in line with proper Wikivoyage format. Secondly, the "Sleep" section is too long: just because the choice of accommodations is "seemingly inexhaustible" doesn't mean we need to list every single option; let's keep the best and get rid of the rest. Also, there are lots and lots of listings without geo coordinates. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 14:49, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[]
Yes, I think that's right, actually. I didn't really notice that at first. Selfie City (talk) 01:34, 20 June 2018 (UTC)[]
Pretty much   Done except for the Sleep listings. I removed the ones that were out of business, but there are still 51 of them, should they be reduced to 40 or 30? When adding coordinates I looked at the Mapnik layer in the dynamic map and it really looks like half of all houses in Siem Reap are some type of accommodation. -- ϒψιλον (talk) 20:06, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[]
15-27 would be the appropriate amount per 7+2; if you had 27, then it would 9 under the budget section, 9 under the mid-range section, and 9 under the splurge section. But as that page says, "further subdivisions can be invented as you go along". I'd say, though, 27 total with 9 in each section of "sleep" would be more appropriate than the current ~50. --Comment by Selfie City (talk | contributions) 22:16, 3 February 2019 (UTC)[]

Chapel HillEdit

Place: Chapel Hill
Blurb: A scenic campus, ultra-popular sports teams, and the buzz of research and learning at the home of North Carolina's flagship public university. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: August–November or January–March (to get the real Chapel Hill experience, you've got to come when the students are in town)
Nominated by: —Granger (talk · contribs) 02:10, 10 December 2017 (UTC)
Comment: At Wikivoyage talk:Destination of the month candidates#Unfeatured U.S. states, Ypsilon pointed out that no North Carolina destination has ever been featured—let's change that![]

  • Support as nominator. Thorough article; I don't notice any major omissions or problems. —Granger (talk · contribs) 02:10, 10 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  • Support, and a case could also be made for DotM rather than OtBP. Again, though, please understand that given the abundance of current U.S. nominees, Chapel Hill is going to have to wait till 2019. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 03:34, 10 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  • Support Looks good. With so long time before the article goes on the Main Page, a few weeks before it does we need to check that everything is still up to date. --ϒpsilon (talk) 15:07, 10 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  • Support. Unlike Keenjhar Lake, Chapel Hill is a very complete article that should be a DotM, especially when you consider that North Carolina has never had a DotM article. Someone could definitely make a vacation out of the Chapel Hill article, which is the kind of service we want every article to be. Selfie City (talk) 22:48, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[]

Common scamsEdit

Place: Common scams
Blurb: "Special offers", supposedly "closed" businesses, fake police, unsolicited "help": check out our guide and be prepared for some of the most common tricks that con artists try to pull on travellers. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 18:05, 12 August 2018 (UTC)
Comment: Firstly, I think there's one vacant slot in the spring, and secondly almost all of our current FTT candidates are bound to a specific geographic location to some degree. This one isn't, and as such can be featured any time of the year and no matter which other articles are on the Main Page at the same time.[]

The issues in Talk:Common_scams#To_Guide seem to be fixed, I just added some advice about taxis that was talked about there but nobody had added yet (or it was buried somewhere in the article). And, obviously, this is a topic that can never be complete as people invent new scams all the time, but we do cover pretty many of them already, right?

  • Support as nominator. --ϒpsilon (talk) 18:05, 12 August 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Support. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 18:58, 12 August 2018 (UTC)[]
  • This article is very detailed; in fact, it almost seems like too long for the traveler to take in, but I guess I'll support. Selfie City (talk) 19:28, 12 August 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Support. I'm unconvinced on pane e coperto, though. If the charge is reasonable, it could be OK. I remember that in the 90s, around two thousand lire was standard in all trattorie. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:23, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Support. Regarding pane e coperto, this kind of cover charge is common in Uruguay too. I've rephrased the section a bit to try to address Ikan Kekek's concern. —Granger (talk · contribs) 00:55, 18 August 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Comment: I think the blurb should be a little shorter, if possible. Selfie City (talk) 01:21, 18 August 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Support --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 13:03, 21 September 2018 (UTC)[]
    • I removed "supposedly" from the shorter version; either they are supposedly closed or just "closed". --LPfi (talk) 09:01, 17 March 2019 (UTC)[]
      • Reverted back. Methinks the implication of the blurb text escaped you. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 20:32, 20 March 2019 (UTC)[]

February 2019Edit


Place: Zurich
Blurb: A decidedly hipper alternative to the button-down world of Geneva, Switzerland's largest city blends the medieval with the modern in a gorgeous alpine setting at the head of the Limmat River. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Anytime 2019. Winter allows skiing. Spring and summers are full of festivals, and autumn is beautiful.
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 15:50, 10 May 2018 (UTC)
Comment: A stable article with the essentials. Nominated in 2016-17; comments requested a restructuring of the See section, a broader selection of photos, and a Talk section. A history section would also improve the article.[]

  • Comment: We slushed this article last year. The comments in the archived thread should be a good barometer of what issues still need to be addressed before Zurich can be featured. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 16:09, 10 May 2018 (UTC)[]
One objection was the excess of Germanophonic destinations. That is no longer an issue. /Yvwv (talk) 15:30, 11 May 2018 (UTC)[]
History, climate and language sections have been added. /Yvwv (talk) 12:05, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[]
I would argue that we still tend to have too many Germanophone destinations "in the pipeline" to feature any that is merely "meh". If there is an outstanding article, by all means, we should feature it, but if we have to chose from articles of similar quality, geographic balance should be one of the tiebreaking factors imho. Hobbitschuster (talk) 12:15, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Support. I think the article is okay for a DotM, but the latter parts of the article need more pictures and the article itself could probably do with fewer listings - they're pretty overwhelming and hard to maintain for us. Selfie City (talk) 23:38, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[]
Could Zurich make April 2018? It is Sechseläuten, and some nearby ski resorts are still open. /Yvwv (talk) 13:32, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[]
No, that was already two months ago. :D ϒpsilon (talk) 14:19, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[]
D'oh! April 2019, I mean. / Yvwv (talk) 13:53, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Close Some listings still need coordinates, and the bottom third of the article could use some photos. ϒpsilon (talk) 14:19, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[]
  Done, will run an up to date check of the listings in the weekend if I feel like, but you can consider me supporting Zurich. ϒψιλον (talk) 19:57, 24 January 2019 (UTC)[]


Place: Khasab
Blurb: Surrounded by a landscape of desolate mountains and craggy fjords, the "Norway of Arabia" is both a worthwhile destination in its own right and an ideal base for exploring the Omani exclave of Musandam. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Nov-Mar probably, as per w:Khasab#Climate
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 18:16, 31 March 2018 (UTC)
Comment: One of our nice Omani guide articles, which I just polished a little bit. I guess everything important is in the article, given that this is a pretty small and non-touristy town. Musandam Peninsula has been OtBP, but that was back in December 2013, so it shouldn't be a problem.[]

  • Support as nominator. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:16, 31 March 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Hmm... I think it needs work. The Car Rentals should be a subheading of "By Car" which should just briefly state how easy/difficult it is to get around by car (by the looks of the map, it may just need to say "Most sites are located along Khasab Road"). If there are no rentacycles, "By bike" might not be worth mentioning. The "See" section could use a bit more information. The first listing is okay, but the second site states it's in city with some dubious conjectures. The Irani Smugglers bit is kind of interesting but it doesn't seem to make sense as a listing. Overall, more concrete information about the sites would be nice in the "See" section. In the "Eat" section, convenience store ice cream isn't worth a listing. The "Drink" section should have some actual listings (places other than the hotel that serve alcohol and places to get the mentioned smoothies). I don't think it's far off, but a bit more information and listings would really help. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 13:24, 12 May 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Weak support. I'm not crazy about some of the formatting, but I still support this nomination. Selfie City (talk) 02:10, 5 June 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Weak support. I agree with what ChubbyWimbus identifies as the article's weaknesses, but I don't think they're quite as big a deal as he makes them out to be. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:19, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Conditional support. I agree in essence with ChubbyWimbus's comments. Most of the fixes are fairly straightforward, although there is a bit of organizational and formatting work to do. A couple of the bulleted points in 'get around' I think should be converted to simple prose. The second listing, Al Khmazera Castle, does in fact exist, but I haven't seen it myself and so can't comment on the worthiness of its inclusion here. The listing for the Dhow Port should be moved to 'do', because this is where visitors will pick any boats for dhow cruises or snorkeling and diving excursions. The information about Iranian smugglers is relevant (as it accounts for possibly most of the traffic in the port area); however the smugglers operate out of a different area of the port which should be described and/or geotagged.
The 'do' section should be reorganized, into port-related activities (dolphin-watching cruises, snorkeling excursions, etc.) and other activities. The information about Jebal Harim ('Mountain Safari') should be expanded in the related article about the Musandam Peninsula, as the mountains are outside of Khasab proper and covered, albeit briefly, in the second article.
In the food and drink section, the ice cream listing and the bulleted points in 'drink' should be converted to prose. Regarding actual listings in 'drink', it's been a few years since I visited the place, but I don't recall seeing any juice bars – juices you would commonly order in a restaurant anyway. The handful of cafés I saw were the exclusive domain of local men and not terribly welcoming, and I didn't try any of them. Perhaps other visitors have tried them however and can comment.
I see by looking at the OSM map that there's a newly-opened large hotel on the south side of the port. Given the dearth of accommodation in the town, a listing for this should be added.
StellarD (talk) 12:16, 17 June 2018 (UTC)[]
Thanks a lot for updating and polishing the article, StellarD. ϒpsilon (talk) 10:00, 14 August 2018 (UTC)[]
I'm not quite finished yet, but am happy to help. :) StellarD (talk) 11:05, 14 August 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Fixes have been completed. I now support this nomination. –StellarD (talk) 09:57, 27 December 2018 (UTC)[]

Diving the Cape Peninsula and False Bay/SS LusitaniaEdit

Place: Diving the Cape Peninsula and False Bay/SS Lusitania
Blurb: The century-old remains of this Portuguese ocean liner are seldom visited, yet are considered one of the top wreck dives in the Cape Peninsula region. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Oct-May per Diving the Cape Peninsula and False Bay#Climate, weather and sea conditions
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 02:19, 31 January 2018 (UTC)
Comment: The last time we were talking about dive guides on the Main Page, I remember suggesting we hold off and not run them as frequently as every year, as most of Peter Southwood's articles focus on the immediate vicinity of Cape Town, which would mean a disproportionate level of Main Page coverage would be concentrated into a very small geographical area. That's all well and good, but by next winter/spring it will have been nearly three years since we ran a dive guide - and there's certainly no denying the quality of Peter's work. Perusing the ranks of Guide-level dive guides, this one struck me as fairly interesting, and would be the first time we've ever featured a shipwreck on the Main Page.[]

  • Support as nominator. Looks reasonably complete, with the exception of the "Photography" subsection, which consists in its entirety of a note the author left for himself: "(photographic equipment suggestions)". Perhaps Peter can fill that in for us; if not, it would seem not to be of such vital importance that we couldn't delete it or at least <!-- hide --> the parenthetical memo. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 02:19, 31 January 2018 (UTC)[]
Aaaaaand the above problem has already been addressed! -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 05:53, 31 January 2018 (UTC)[]
Yes, I was just about to come back here to say so. The article is, as you say, fairly complete and up to date. I would be happy to see it feature on the Main Page. I am also open to suggestions to improve the general appearance - layout of photos etc. • • • Peter (Southwood) (talk): 06:24, 31 January 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Support I also thought about nominating one of Peter's diving articles for sometime in early 2019. Speaking of Cape Town, I learned yesterday that the city has severe problems with its water reserves (also see the warning box in the article), don't know how much this affects diving travellers who probably have access to cars and boats and thus can easily eat, drink, sleep and buy supplies e.g. 200 kms away if needed. And according to Previous_Featured_travel_topics we've had dive guides as FTT in January 2013 and May 2016, so this will only be the third time. ϒpsilon (talk) 12:07, 31 January 2018 (UTC)[]
  • SupportGranger (talk · contribs) 12:01, 11 April 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Almost. The "get in" section needs more information and there's a red link in it. Selfie City (talk) 13:32, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[]

January 2019Edit


Place: Yaoundé
Blurb: Cameroon's capital may be short on tourist attractions per se, but it's a hotspot for business travellers to Africa, with lively markets and interesting architecture. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Dec-Mar (dry season)
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 19:47, 11 March 2018 (UTC)
Comment: Ticking one more of the never before featured regions off the list — Central Africa (and we haven't had an African DotM in a while!). Yaoundé has extensive articles in German and French so I've translated those and then used Google to get stamp out closed businesses and other outdated info. I recently asked a docent to Yaounde (retired, won't ping them again) and he/she had a quick look at the article and said there's nothing important missing. So... what do you say? Do we have a suitable winter article right here?[]

  • Support as nominator, I guess. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:47, 11 March 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Tentative support. Impressive work. My only concern is that many of the listings just have general locations rather than exact addresses, but I don't know how realistic it is to give exact addresses in Cameroon. —Granger (talk · contribs) 11:33, 11 April 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Comment: Is it possible to make a map of the districts or to organize them differently? Although the text claims it is "helpful" to know, that list is extremely long. Are they all equally useful or could the most useful be listed while the others are dropped or grouped together somehow? Maybe just list the ones the traveler are most likely to visit/be directed to along with any to avoid?

There are a bit too many pictures and some of low quality and appeal that could be deleted. Are all of the "cuisine" listings specific to Yaounde or could some be moved to the general Cameroon page? Most of them seem like general Cameroon foods. For those that are relevant, do we have listings for places where you can eat them? Are the supermarkets necessary? It looks like contentless clutter. Overall, it's a decent article, but the large amount of lists kind of overshadow the listings that do have content. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 11:47, 11 May 2018 (UTC)[]

  • Support Looks pretty great! There's a lot of good information here. I think we should nominate this, and that way we can get an African destination as a DotM. Selfie City (talk) 13:24, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Not yet, possibly not at Guide status. This article needs pretty extensive work before it can be featured. There are a lot of pointless overlong lists, such as in the "Orientation", "Buy", and "Eat" sections, that seem to function as filler more so than imparting any truly valuable information. For instance, is it really necessary to list every single residential neighborhood in the city, with seemingly no regard to the presence or absence of anything interesting to visitors in each one? I'd say confine the list to quartiers that contain at least one POI or are prominent enough to be mentioned elsewhere in the article, and delete the rest. Similarly with the naked bullet-point listings for "small markets [that] can be found all over the city"; are they really interesting to visitors, or are we including them just for the sake of having them? And I echo ChubbyWimbus' comments about the "Eat" section; most of these are Cameroonian dishes in general rather than specific to Yaoundé, and thus belong in Cameroon#Eat. Also, there are a lot of naked POIs with no blurbs, or blurbs that consist only of directions to the place. Can we find information on all these places, or should they be deleted too? And - perhaps most importantly - if we find that most of this information is indeed mostly fluff, and have to delete it, will there be enough left in this article that it's truly at Guide status? -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:14, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Comment For the record, I've removed most of the districts, moved the dishes to the Cameroon articlen and hidden the small markets and supermarkets. --ϒpsilon (talk) 18:31, 14 July 2018 (UTC)[]

Chatham IslandsEdit

Place: Chatham Islands
Blurb: Endemic plants and birds, rugged landscapes, and a blend of three cultures await you in this archipelago at the end of the world (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: January 2019 urgently needs an OtBP. Otherwise Dec-Mar.
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 18:28, 21 October 2018 (UTC)
Comment: I thought something from NZ could fit in nicely in the empty slot on the schedule, and together with AlasdairW we've made some tweaks to this article, which was already in a quite good shape. It's almost ready for the main page, some listings and perhaps the Understand section still need some improvement.[]

  • Support as nominator. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:28, 21 October 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Weak support, with only minor fixes necessary to upgrade that to full support. In reading the article, I found it hard to get a real sense of the place. I think the intro lede, the "Understand" section, and a lot of the section ledes need to be fleshed out to something more than just rote information about geographical location, population, lists of species of endemic wildlife, etc. I'd much prefer to see lively prose used to paint a picture for the reader. What makes the Chatham Islands special and worth a visit? Also, the "See" section could be better organized; categories like "man-made attractions" cover an awfully broad range of types of places. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:15, 22 October 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Support I have been to other New Zealand islands, but not here. However doing some edits on this article has increased my desire to make the trip, despite the expensive flights. Although the islands are remote, there is a reasonable amount of information online, and some edits have been done by an editor who was there a year ago - I am reasonably happy that it is up to date. I have expanded Understand, but maybe the prose could be more lively. There is not a great selection of large images on commons, but I think that there will be enough to make a banner. AlasdairW (talk) 22:05, 26 October 2018 (UTC)[]

Indonesian phrasebookEdit

Place: Indonesian phrasebook
Blurb: When exploring the treasures of Indonesia, especially away from the common tourist trails, you'll certainly get use for some phrases in the local language. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 15:14, 8 June 2018 (UTC)
Comment: Time to nominate another phrasebook, I think. This seems like a complete phrasebook with pseudo-pronunciation for all phrases. And we have many users who understand Indonesian, if there are some things that need to be looked at. But I'd say the only thing the article needs are some more photos to give it some color.[]

  • Support --ϒpsilon (talk) 15:14, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Support. Definitely. No need for debate about this one. I think we should do this one this winter, or perhaps in the spring of 2019? See Ikan Kekek's comment. Selfie City (talk) 15:16, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[]
We ran Italian phrasebook in February and try to have at least one year between topics of the same type so yes, winter or spring is probably when we'll feature this one. ϒpsilon (talk) 15:23, 8 June 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose until the issue of how to represent glottal stops in pseudo-translations on this phrasebook is resolved and the changes are thoroughly implemented (I'd like to insist on a solution for unaspirated Ts and Ps, too, but mistransliterating glottal stops is a more severe defect, IMO). I brought this up at Talk:Indonesian phrasebook#Pseudo-transliteration for glottal stops, but no action was taken on it. See Malay phrasebook#Note for an example of how to deal with glottal stops and unaspirated Ts and Ps. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:42, 22 June 2018 (UTC)[]
You clearly have a good understanding of the language, so I'll go neutral and leave this to an expert. Selfie City (talk) 17:39, 22 June 2018 (UTC)[]

[unindent] In addition, I'm noticing inconsistent psuedo-transliterations of "mau". I'd probably use "mah-oo", not "ma-oo" or "mah-hoo" or "mah-woo", but it's important for someone to knowledgeably pick one approximation and use it consistently. Ikan Kekek (talk) 09:24, 29 June 2018 (UTC)[]

Fortunately we have several Indonesian speakers active here, so they can probably help if they have time. Pinging User:Othello95, User:Ibhi19, User:Gsarwa. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:07, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[]
Alright. I'm going to go with Ikan's proposal to make all pseudo-transliterations on the page to be more consistent and try to help as much as I can. Meanwhile, I found this page to guide us later for editing the pseudo-transliterations on the page. What do you think? ibhi19 (talk) 19:35, 1 July 2018 (UTC)[]
Great. That guide to pronunciation is very good, except that a rolled r is not like "tt" in "butter" in most English dialects. Anyway, I think that if anyone doesn't understand what "rolled r" means, there's really not much hope for them other than to learn by listening to Indonesian-speakers. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:02, 2 July 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Support, once the aforementioned issues are dealt with. A great and detailed phrasebook. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 22:43, 11 August 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Support. I'm impressed with all the work that's been done on this phrasebook. It's probably ready to run now, but if not, I am completely confident it will be. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:25, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[]


December 2018Edit


Place: Denver
Blurb: Don't be fooled by discounted hotel rooms and the relative lack of tourist crowds: the Mile High City in winter makes a great homebase for skiers and snowboarders hitting the slopes of the Front Range. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Anytime except spring, but winter 2018-2019 would be an interesting time (and, given the looks of the upcoming year or so on the schedule, probably the earliest it could be featured)
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 20:40, 28 September 2017 (UTC)
Comment: In the Northern Hemisphere winter, it's always nice for a change to run an article where cold weather during the "Time to feature" is a pro rather than a con. Let's carve out a space for a destination that's neither tropical nor Antipodean![]

  • Close. Though there are numerous issues with this article, they're all pretty easy fixes: some sections need to have their listings alphabetized, "Drink" has some naked bullet-point listings that need to be filled out ("Breweries" and "Music venues" subsections) or that lack geo coordinates (both of the foregoing subsections plus "Coffee" and "Nightclubs"); live music venues belong in "Do" rather than "Drink"; the information on altitude sickness is largely redundant to what's already written in the travel topic article on the subject and can be excised; some of the tours listed in "Do" look like they might not be value-added; "Go next" needs to be redone. Still, this doesn't constitute as much work as it might look like, and we have north of a year in which to do it. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 20:40, 28 September 2017 (UTC)[]
  • Comment given that it is listed on our United States without a car guide, we might wish to expand and update those sections a bit. Hobbitschuster (talk) 20:11, 1 October 2017 (UTC)[]
  • Almost support No big issues with this article. Some coordinates are missing here and there and there are long stretches without any photos and like Andre I also noticed there's a section dedicated to tours, some of which may not comply with our tour guidelines. And, as always, a while before the artilce goes on the main page we need to check if everything is still in business, prices are still correct, links still work etc. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:53, 11 October 2017 (UTC)[]
Upgraded to full support after fixing pretty much what I just criticized. Will still add a few photos to eliminate photoless stretches. -- ϒψιλον (talk) 17:40, 28 November 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Support. I haven't spent any time reading through the article, but I can tell that this article is well-formatted and has a lot of information about this well-known city. Selfie City (talk) 00:03, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Support. I visited Denver many years ago and the article looks ok, but possibly not totally up to date. I fixed a few dead links, but I noticed that almost none of the eat, sleep or drink listings had last edited dates, and so the information may be a couple of years out of date. AlasdairW (talk)
  • Support. I took care of the last few fixes on my list above. It's ready for the spotlight now. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 19:10, 30 November 2018 (UTC)[]


Place: Baños
Blurb: Jump, ride, raft, rappel, swing or just relax in a thermal pool — Ecuador's adventure capital offers all kinds of activities in an amazing environment. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Oct-Feb
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 18:52, 23 March 2018 (UTC)
Comment: After translation, updates, rearranging and cleanup, I think the Baños article starts looking like it's ready to represent Ecuador on the Main Page. What do others think?[]

  • Support as nominator. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:52, 23 March 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Support. The "buy" section needs work, but everything else looks good. Selfie City (talk) 15:32, 2 June 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Support. Some minor copyediting and reformatting would be good, but nothing to the extent that it would give me pause if we were to feature this article the way it is today. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 15:17, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[]

Winter in the Nordic countriesEdit

Place: Winter in the Nordic countries
Blurb: Snow, ice, winter sports, northern lights, Santa and an interesting cuisine — there are many reasons to visit the Nordic countries in the winter! (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: November, to get the most out of the article
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 17:16, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
Comment: Yes, we've probably never had as many FTT nominees before as we have now, but many of them are guaranteed not to be seen on the Main Page before 2019, so how about running this one right at the threshold of the winter? We've been working on the article for a few months and while some minor polishing is still needed, I'd say the article is at guide status by now.[]

  • Support --ϒpsilon (talk) 17:16, 9 February 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Support. We're actually fully stocked with FTTs up to and including November 2018 (as Hobbitschuster said, I don't think concerns about an overabundance of U.S. destinations really apply to an article specifically about not visiting that country), but IMO it would actually be better to run this in December — it would make a nice holiday feature. Article looks complete, no complaints or issues from me. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 17:31, 9 February 2018 (UTC)[]
December is fine too. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:25, 9 February 2018 (UTC)[]
While November and December are usually terrible for winter sport (short days and little snow), articles should on principle be featured well before the desirable season. /Yvwv (talk) 19:55, 9 February 2018 (UTC)[]
Historically, consensus has disagreed with the above philosophy on when to feature. However, it's perhaps worth mentioning that "December" FTTs actually spend more time on the Main Page in January than in the previous month. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 20:02, 9 February 2018 (UTC)[]
"Well before the season" is applicable when featuring it during the season in practice would mean a prospective traveler would have to wait until the next season (e.g. the Inca trail nomination above), and this is not the case here. On the other hand, the article is not only about winter sports but also the Christmas season and the Polar night among others. December is fine, but I would rather not have it postponed until January, let alone February. ϒpsilon (talk) 20:28, 9 February 2018 (UTC)[]
The peak holiday for Nordic ski resorts is Easter, which in 2019 is on April 21st. A December/January slot would be prospective for skiers, and in synch with those who want to experience the polar night. /Yvwv (talk) 21:38, 9 February 2018 (UTC)[]
Sounds like December is a good month, then. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 03:57, 10 February 2018 (UTC)[]
  • SupportGranger (talk · contribs) 11:57, 11 April 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Support (although I am biased...). The polar light (aurora borealis) season starts in September and lasts throughout the winter until early April. The skiing season mostly begins in December (or even later), but in some parts of Norway skiing begins in (early) November. Some ski lifts actually open in May and stay open during summer, but I guess that is a different topic. Erik den yngre (talk) 15:00, 30 April 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Support. I can see there's a lot of useful content in this article. I think, though, I need to address some issues with this article:
  1. This article could do with fewer pictures. There are some really nice pictures but there are others that do not need to be in the article and could easily draw an article's readers attention from the article itself to the pictures.
  2. In the weather section is a chart that shows general climatic conditions. This would be more attractive if it was formatted as a table, which would help out with my first point.
  3. The weather section would probably be more accurately titled "climate".
  4. The quote in the "daylight" section doesn't add much to the article and doesn't even make much sense. I think we should either find another quote to replace it or remove the quote altogether.
  5. Due to all the red links in the ski resorts section, that section looks kind-of messy. Also, I don't think the formatting of those listings is totally consistent.
  6. The "buy" section could do with some more information, although it doesn't need to be too long for an article about a season.
  7. Because this article is really about the cold weather in Nordic countries, I think the entire "stay safe" section should be devoted to weather only, and the first part of this section and the "weather" heading should be removed. Still, in general, this is a good, detailed article that should be a Featured Travel Topic either starting late November, late December, perhaps late January, or be featured in the late 2019/early 2020 winter. Selfie City (talk) 23:28, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[]
What do others think? I started a section at Talk:Winter in the Nordic countries, as I think this kind of changes is better discussed in the article talk. --LPfi (talk) 11:56, 26 September 2018 (UTC)[]

November 2018Edit


Place: Colonia
Blurb: Step back in time into a land of cobblestone streets, classic cars, and colonial architecture in this charming little beachfront town just across from Buenos Aires. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Probably September–April
Nominated by: —Granger (talk · contribs) 23:17, 1 September 2017 (UTC)
Comment: As discussed (briefly) at Talk:Colonia. It's a much smaller destination than our typical DotM, but I think its popularity within the region and position on the "Gringo Trail" probably make it better suited for this than for OtBP. (This is my first time nominating something for the main page—I hope I'm doing it right!)[]

  • Support as nominator. I've been in Colonia for several weeks now and have expanded and updated the article quite a bit. I'll still be here until mid-November if there are any concerns that require someone "on the ground" to address. —Granger (talk · contribs) 23:17, 1 September 2017 (UTC)[]
  • Support - Dunno if anything needs to be added, but if you stuble upon some nice shop, restaurant or bar, do let future visitors know about it. As a top destination in a country that's somewhat off the beaten path, Colonia is an article that I think can work both as DotM and OtBP. --ϒpsilon (talk) 16:03, 6 September 2017 (UTC)[]
  • Support. I'm leaning toward DotM rather than OtBP as the category, and toward November 2018 as the time to feature - we could run it sooner, but November is probably the hardest month of the year to schedule for, and if we have a suitable candidate now I'd just as soon save the headache. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 01:43, 25 September 2017 (UTC)[]
  • Support - It seems like this article is an easy feature: no glaringly obvious grammar or spelling problems, lots of content, plenty of good pictures, easy and fun to read. The only nit-pick I have is that the banner looks a bit dreary. I don't think that's any reason to not feature it, however. DethDestroyerOfWords (talk) 15:40, 10 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  • Support. I'm not crazy about the "Do" section but I think the article in general is a good choice for OtBP, not so much as a Destination of the Month. Selfie City (talk) 01:18, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[]

Keenjhar LakeEdit

Place: Keenjhar Lake
Blurb: With a 14th-century royal tomb plunked right in the middle, Pakistan's second-largest lake is a popular getaway for locals and winter migratory birds alike. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Oct-Mar seems to be previously suggested months for our Pakistani OtBPs
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 12:24, 25 January 2018 (UTC)
Comment: Time to run another one of our Pakistani OtBP destinations, written up to guide status by Saqib. Per the talk page the article should be good to go; I added the coordinates mentioned in the discussion there and did some copyediting.[]

  • Support --ϒpsilon (talk) 12:24, 25 January 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Support Ikan Kekek (talk) 16:57, 25 January 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Support. Saqib, you asked me earlier about which Pakistani destination we might feature next, and I regret never getting back to you about that. I think this one is a fine choice. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 18:01, 25 January 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose. This article needs more content and hardly even passes Wikivoyage's "What is an article?" requirements. If that is all there is to write about in this place, this article will never have the potential to be a DotM. Selfie City (talk) 04:15, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[]
  • I think you're misunderstanding things. This is an article about a lake that is halfway between two cities and would be an overly long listing in a city article. If this is all there is to say about the lake, the article is exemplary and should be featured. Show us where in the criteria for judging articles nominated for Off the Beaten Path there is a requirement for a certain length. Ikan Kekek (talk) 04:57, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Support Gizza (roam) 05:41, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[]
  • In response to Ikan Kekek, I'm not saying that there is a length requirement. However, this article is hardly a guide article and it needs more information before becoming a OtBP. Selfie City (talk) 14:23, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[]
What information do you think it's lacking? Ikan Kekek (talk) 17:01, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[]
For a start, there needs to be at least 50% more information in Keenjhar_Lake#Understand; information about the local climate climate would be useful. Also, if this is going to be a DotM or OtBP, it should have metric-English conversions because the article will most likely receive many readers from around the world. Also, the "get in" section needs to be broken up more so it is easier for Wikivoyagers to read. The Keenjhar_Lake#See and do section needs more than a shrine and two basic activities, and the "eat" section largely needs to be taken out of paragraph form and have some good listings; there needs to be a drink section or a heading with the word "drink" in it. If these things were improved and the general article was expanded, this article would be ready to be a DotM/OtBP. Selfie City (talk) 22:42, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[]
Some of what you're asking for seems to be based on the notion that there could be more listings. If you know this, add them. I assume there are not more things to list, and that Saqib knows the park well. I also don't agree on making "Understand" longer just for the hell of it, if that's what you're suggesting, but I do agree that adding a "Climate" subsection would be helpful; that's a good point. I doubt it'll be hard to add, though. Ikan Kekek (talk) 06:21, 26 May 2018 (UTC)[]

Avoiding travel through the United StatesEdit

Place: Avoiding travel through the United States
Blurb: Transiting through the United States is often not worth the trouble, even if you're a citizen. Check out our guide to see why and how to avoid it. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Anytime
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 17:19, 30 January 2018 (UTC)
Comment: This article has been a good usable for quite a while and upgrading to guide and nominating for FTT was discussed on the talk page already a year ago. A few months ago I checked up the flights (may need to be checked up again just before we run it, probably in the fall) and yesterday I added some photos so the article should be ready now.[]

  • Support as nominator. ϒpsilon (talk) 17:19, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Support, as I already indicated on the article's talk page. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 17:33, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Support. It would be good to update the flights shortly before the article is featured, if someone has the energy. The details of Trump's travel ban should also be brought up to date shortly before featuring. —Granger (talk · contribs) 14:19, 21 February 2018 (UTC)[]
  Done -- ϒψιλον (talk) 19:59, 15 November 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Weak Support. I don't find it easy to support this nomination because it doesn't exactly sound patriotic, but I think the article in general is okay for a Featured Travel Topic. However, it could do with some more general information: for example, what exactly is the "no fly list" and how do people get on it? Also, there could be more information about various legislation (old or new) about travel/immigration in the US. The travel ban is only one aspect of this. I also wonder if there are very many people who would want to avoid travel through the US. Selfie City (talk) 23:14, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Support. Addressing this topical issue is long overdue. K7L (talk) 14:04, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Comment First of all, we are not here to write patriotic travel guides, much less since most of our editor base are not Americans, much less patriotic Americans. Second of all and more to the point, I think there are still some points about the w:No fly list for example listed in the WP article that could bear mention and of course before this goes live the flights would have to be checked and rechecked. Hobbitschuster (talk) 10:32, 26 May 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Almost. I try to avoid travelling via the US, unless it is my destination. Travelling from the UK to New Zealand, it takes about the same time via the US or Asia. However the US is much less welcoming to transit passengers than China. The article is good, but it has no advice on how to search for an "avoiding US" flight. Are there particular flight booking websites that let you specify a list of countries to avoid? AlasdairW (talk) 22:56, 26 May 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Comment Selfie City, this article is generally speaking not intended for American citizens, but for everyone else who wants to avoid the hassle of U.S. security theater and hassles with U.S. immigration, etc. Otherwise, I'd simply agree with Hobbitschuster that this is not a site that has "touting the U.S.A." among its goals, but rather, has the traveller comes first as its prime directive. And avoiding the U.S. is definitely a good idea for loads of people around the world. Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:12, 27 May 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Comment. Ikan Kekek and Hobbitschuster: I think there was a misunderstanding here. The beginning of my original comment didn't mean that patriotism was a reason not to include it. I was just saying that I personally found it hard to support, but I'm still going to ignore my personal bias. And I was not being completely serious in that statement. Selfie City (talk) 14:11, 27 May 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Should the questions at Talk:Avoiding_travel_through_the_United_States#Other_reasons? be discussed & perhaps some text added before this is featured? Pashley (talk) 15:36, 27 May 2018 (UTC)[]
    I think they are worth mentioning in some way. Being put in jail for actions legal at home where you performed them, just because your flight went via USA, is something indeed worth a warning. The article warns Canadians, but the problem potentially concerns many more than IT experts. --LPfi (talk) 21:10, 15 November 2018 (UTC)[]
Maybe, to the extent it might also concern non-IT people. ϒψιλον (talk) 21:22, 15 November 2018 (UTC)[]
I suppose it could concern people with political views not liked by the US government or doing business in countries not liked by them. Although not everybody is arrested, quite a few could be in the right circumstances. --LPfi (talk) 21:30, 15 November 2018 (UTC)[]

October 2018Edit


Place: Gyeongju
Blurb: Centuries of Korean history await you in the capital of the ancient Silla Kingdom, nowadays also famous for its pastries. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: "Late fall is the best time to visit..."
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 21:03, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
Comment: As you can see on the article's talk page it wasn't exactly yesterday I and some others were looking at Gyeongju as a potential DotM candidate, and here it now finally is. We have had South Korean destinations on the main page before as OtBPs (the last time in 2011), but never as DotM, let's change that![]

  • Support --ϒpsilon (talk) 21:03, 16 December 2017 (UTC)[]
  • Almost – some listings need coordinates, but other than that it looks good to me. —Granger (talk · contribs) 13:03, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[]
  • In addition to what Granger said, "Go next" needs an overhaul - the first half of the section consists of individual listings that don't belong in "Go next" (briefly perusing them, it looks like either Gyeongju#See or Pohang#See might be better places for them), and the second half mentions Daegu and Busan but doesn't say why they're of interest to visitors, and contains extraneous information about transportation from Gyeongju that, again, doesn't belong in "Go next". Despite that, I feel I can provisionally support this article as there is still plenty of time until autumn 2018 in which to address these minor issues, though we should maybe also keep an eye on the political situation on the Korean Peninsula (recent calls by some in the U.S. government for families of military personnel to be evacuated from South Korea due to the threat of war strike me as overreactions, and prospects for diplomacy seem to be better than they have in months if not years, but a year is a long time when it comes to this). -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 17:14, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Support. I think it's a good article, but the formatting, particularly in the "go next" section, could be better formatted, as AndreCarrotflower stated. Selfie City (talk) 13:11, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[]
  • It looks like all the listings have coordinates now. Granger, would you like to be the fourth support vote for Gyeongju? -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 18:57, 23 August 2018 (UTC)[]
For the record, I was unable to find coords for a few of them, and I'll still need to fix some things in the Go next section. ϒpsilon (talk) 19:12, 23 August 2018 (UTC)[]
Yeah, it would be nice to get those last few coordinates, but I think I can support anyway. —Granger (talk · contribs) 01:20, 24 August 2018 (UTC)[]
  Done; I believe Google Maps has improved their coverage of the region as of lately, and thus I could find the rest of the coordinates. ϒpsilon (talk) 16:16, 15 September 2018 (UTC)[]
Looks like the issues with "Go next" have been taken care of too. Upgraded my vote to full support. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 19:32, 15 September 2018 (UTC)[]


Place: Valletta
Blurb: History lives in Malta's compact capital: museums, shopping, and culture galore packed into a stunning labyrinth of 17th-century Baroque buildings. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Mar-Dec, though after Oct it gets rainy
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 20:55, 9 February 2018 (UTC)
Comment: We've got only two 2018 slots left on the schedule: the OtBPs for October and December. I envision submitting nominees for both of those openings, this being one of them, and then, unless consensus disagrees, formally closing DotM to new nominations at least through the end of the summer. (Pinging participants in the recent discussion on the same topic: Ypsilon, Ground Zero, and Hobbitschuster, what do you think of this idea?)[]

As for Valletta, it's one of the two European Capitals of Culture for this year, so I'd say it's deserving of one of the two coveted spots. (Come to think of it, if it's more desirable to feature Valletta in September, we could actually bump Chicago/Bronzeville down to October without the latter conflicting with any other U.S. articles; let's hear your thoughts on that too.)

  • Weak support at present. The article needs a better lede and more pictures, the "Do" section could use expanding, there are a few listings without geo coordinates, and I'm not sure "in debatable order of importance" is a valid way to organize the "See" section. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 20:55, 9 February 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Almost First off, Valletta seems to have been demoted to usable. The article needs geo coordinates, photos, possibly more POIs and an update. And FWIW I imagined Chicago Bronzeville would go into October's slot.
And I don't support a blanket closing down of the nominations, but we could do that for (Northern Hemisphere) summer articles given that spring and summer 2019 are already slowly filling up, almost a year and a half ahead.
Why? Because the next slots we're looking for articles for the winter months 2019. And traditionally it has been about as hard finding suitable articles for slots in the "colder half of the year" as there has been to find suitable months for the tons and tons of summer or shoulder season articles. The articles that sit around for long periods are the likes of Lodz, Palmyra (New York), Brownsville and Groningen, but almost never articles like Entebbe, Praia, Hobart or Merida (Mexico). ϒpsilon (talk) 21:37, 9 February 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Valletta is very clearly a Guide. Granted it's not the most complete Guide-level article on the site, but it's not the least complete one either (Bisbee, as one of many possible examples). I'm not sure what happened there, but I've updated the article accordingly.
  • Chicago/Bronzeville could be featured in October, but now that I look closer, Valletta probably could not be featured in September, the same month we run Venice as DotM - two Mediterranean destinations sharing the Main Page for not 10 but 20 days, I think, is out of bounds.
  • You make a good point about the difficulty of scheduling winter destinations, but it perhaps bears mentioning that once an OtBP nominee is introduced for December 2018 as I indicated above, 50% (6 out of 12) of the available slots for winter 2018-19 will have been filled:
Dec 2018: Denver / new nominee / Winter in the Nordics
Jan 2019: ? / ? / ?
Feb 2019: ? / ? / SS Lusitania
Mar 2019: ? / Chapel Hill / Judaism
-- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 22:46, 9 February 2018 (UTC)[]
  • I must say I oppose featuring Valetta at this point in time. The understand section contains barely anything, the "do" section is a joke, there is the issue with the order of the see section, "get in" is barely adequate and even fails to mention air travel while "get around" did not even have a single subsection until just now. Furthermore there is a weird digression about audio guides which may or may not violate WV:Tour. "Learn" says something about language learning institutes but links to none of them. The article also has surprising language- and flow issues for one covering an English speaking place. This article might be polishable, but with none of us being based out of Malta and English language as well as Mediterranean destinations overexposed as is, I see few reasons besides the capital of culture thing to spend the considerable effort it would take to fix the issues with this article. Hobbitschuster (talk) 23:44, 9 February 2018 (UTC)[]
First of all, English, though it has official status, is not the majority language of Malta. 95% of Malta's citizens speak Maltese natively, and virtually all of the 89% of Maltese who speak English do so as a second language, with varying degrees of fluency. We went over that point already at Talk:English language varieties.
Secondly, I'm not based out of the Gaspé Peninsula either, and I have been there a grand total of once in my life, for only three days. Despite that, I've managed to bring five articles in that region up to Guide status - Gaspé Peninsula itself, Percé, Chandler, Forillon National Park, and Gaspé - that were previously either nearly-empty outlines or redlinks. Valletta, meanwhile, is already a Guide, and only needs a few minor tweaks. Clearly, the fact that we don't have any editors in Malta is irrelevant. We are not limited to solely firsthand information here; it's perfectly fine to draw from Google, Facebook, Yelp, Tripadvisor, etc. to fill in missing information.
Valletta isn't perfect, but its issues are not insurmountable, certainly not with eight months of advance warning. Frankly, if we're going to sound the alarm about any OtBP candidate, it should be Erlangen, which you nominated almost a year ago and is still in worse shape than Valletta is now only a few hours after I nominated it.
-- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:08, 10 February 2018 (UTC)[]
I have more than once offered to do on the ground research on Erlangen if a specific thing is pointed out to me. I don't think the criticism is fair, given that it is incredibly vague and I am perfectly clear as to atrás in which the Valetta article is deficient. And ceteris paribus on the ground knowledge is always preferable to Internet research. Tell me what I should research with regards to Erlangen and I will. But I stand by my opinion that the Valetta article has the mentioned deficits and probably more. Hobbitschuster (talk) 06:04, 10 February 2018 (UTC)[]
FWIW, this is what I believed the onwards schedule would look like:
Aug: North Vancouver, Goroka, Rail travel in Germany
Sep: Sarajevo, Kamphaeng Phet ("September preferred" according to the nominator), Avoiding travel through the US
Oct: Gyeongju, Bronzeville, Sydney Airport (or other airport)
Nov: Colonia, Keenjhar Lake, Winter in the Nordic countries
Dec: Denver, ?, Inca trail
Jan: ?, ?, Lusitania
Feb: ?, Chapel Hill, ? (some phrasebook?)
Mar: ?, ?, Judaism?
Apr: Venice if not slushed?, ?, ?Roman empire if no Venice
Later: Berlin, Yuryev Polsky, Roman Empire, Vikings, Rail travel in NL
Concerning Erlangen, as I said above there are some listings that lack a description (particularly in Do and Buy), and in the case something has closed down it should be removed, also some photos should be added to the latter 2/3 of the article. Otherwise the article looks quite OK. --ϒpsilon (talk) 08:56, 10 February 2018 (UTC)[]
  • I know you hate that argument, but I just ran copyscape on Valetta and more than half that article are the same since the migration should we really an article that may well be outdated by over five years in more than half its content? And with that background us not having someone on the ground does exacerbate the issue. Hobbitschuster (talk) 23:42, 4 March 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Almost Valletta is the sort of destination where it may not matter if half the text has not changed in a decade, particularly for the see listings. I have done some edits, but I think that there is quite a bit more to do: Understand is 10% of the length it needs to be; Buy needs quite a bit of expansion - are there no department stores?, and if not then we should say where the nearest ones out of town are, a supermarket should be here or in Eat; although there are 16 See listings I think that there are still some missing - e.g. WP has articles on 24 churches, 17 palaces etc. AlasdairW (talk) 23:59, 5 March 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Not yet. This article doesn't yet have enough solid content in some sections to be a DotM. Selfie City (talk) 04:18, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Weak support. I think this article has just enough information about places to see and could just about be an OtBP. Selfie City (talk) 00:59, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[]
  • I'm upgrading my vote to a support, after having imported and translated some Buy, Eat and Sleep listings from German, Finnish and Russian Wikivoyage. The relative lack of listings in some sections was bothering me, so I didn't want to fully support the article before. Valletta could still benefit from a little polishing here and there, and I should maybe also test all links in the first few sections, but other than that I think it's now good for the main page. --ϒpsilon (talk) 19:57, 15 September 2018 (UTC)[]
  • As we have plenty of OTBP candidates, but a lack of DOTM candidates, shouldn't Valletta be featured as DOTM? It is after all a capital city, and a well-known destination. /Yvwv (talk) 13:57, 6 October 2018 (UTC)[]
You had eight months to argue that. Five days before the article is due on the Main Page - with banners already made and voted on, nothing to replace it on the schedule with, and nowhere else to put Valletta on the schedule until next year at the earliest - is not the time to be bringing it up. Have some consideration, please. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 14:23, 6 October 2018 (UTC)[]
  • I now support the article, as there as been quite a bit of work since my earlier comments. There is still scope for improvement by adding some history to Understand, but this is a "nice to have". I think that it is better to feature it this year when it a European Capital of Culture. AlasdairW (talk) 21:31, 7 October 2018 (UTC)[]

Sydney AirportEdit

Place: Sydney Airport
Blurb: Australia's main international gateway and one of the oldest commercial airports in the world, SYD serves flights from all inhabited continents. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Anytime
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 11:03, 28 January 2018 (UTC)
Comment: In October there'll be a year since we ran Manchester Airport and it'll be possible to have another airport article on the Main Page. We have two unfeatured guide airport articles which are slightly problematic, Heathrow Airport (from the UK, just like Manchester, so people might object to two airport articles from the same country back to back) and Seattle-Tacoma International Airport (we have a ton of U.S. nominees right now). But as it looks like SYD's article "Has different choices for accommodation and eating/drinking, and information on flights, airlines and terminals. Listings and layout closely match the manual of style. There will be multiple ways to get in, some suggestions for moving out, and information on getting around.", I just upgraded that article's status to guide and hereby nominate it.[]

  • Support And as always, if anyone thinks there's anything missing, feel free to add it. ϒpsilon (talk) 11:03, 28 January 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Weak support. Is there any information about specific shops, restaurants, bars etc. to put in "Buy", "Eat", and "Drink"? (I realize that most "Eat" listings would likely consist of fast food, but I think it's more appropriate to list places like that in airport articles than in ordinary destinations.) -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 17:35, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[]
On the talk page I pinged some voyagers who I guess use the airport every now and then, and Eat was updated including some restaurants. Perhaps they have something more to add, otherwise we can always take a look at the airport's home page. --ϒpsilon (talk) 17:59, 30 January 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Support. I just made a minor edit to this article, and it looks fine for an airport article. Selfie City (talk) 02:46, 1 June 2018 (UTC)[]

September 2018Edit


Place: Naples
Blurb: The stuff of your Italian vacation fantasies: three millennia of history and culture, a gorgeous seaside setting at the foot of mighty Vesuvius, and a cuisine with a worldwide following. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Spring or early autumn
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 19:00, 26 June 2018 (UTC)
Comment: Could use an expanded history section. While not necessary, the very simple Metropolitan Naples article could be improved as well.[]

  • Not yet, though this article is in much better shape than the last time I checked, and it's closer to being feature-ready than Venice, which (despite my comments to Ypsilon a few weeks ago) needs a lot of work in the short time between now and 1 August, when it's due on the Main Page. If we can get the problems with Naples ironed out - namely, "Do" needs expanding, "Eat" and "Drink" absolutely need expanding, much of "Stay safe" is Captain Obvious, and the "Naples' surroundings" subsection of "See" should be moved to "Go next" - then I'd be in favor of slushing Venice and running Naples in its place. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 01:06, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[]
Thanks for bringing this up. I've merged "surroundings" section completely into "Go next" now. Selfie City (talk) 02:13, 27 June 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Comment: I'm growing less and less confident by the day that the admittedly major issues with Venice will be resolved in as little as two months' time, and meanwhile I'm very impressed with the work that User:Pepemanuele is putting into Naples. So I went ahead and put Naples in the September 2018 slot to replace Venice. I'm not sure if Pepe was previously aware of Naples' DotM nomination, but since I pinged him I suppose that he is now. One specific suggestion I would make to him: it's great that you've expanded the "Eat" section and it's even better that you're emphasizing local cuisine, but for the sake of balance it would be good if you could include some recommendable restaurants that serve other types of food. It's easy to imagine that someone from another country who's visiting Naples for a longer period of time, say a week, might get bored with Neapolitan cuisine after a while and feel like a change of pace. This could be as simple as adding an "Other cuisines" subsection with maybe 6 or 12 listings. Same with the "drink" section; yes, the local coffee and wine are renowned, but surely there are places to list besides cafés and wine bars? What about discotheques? Aside from that, I want to again commend the great work that's been put in to this article, and I'd say I'm very close to being able to support this nominee at this time. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 23:48, 30 June 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Support. I'd say the article looks great and informative. The Eat section isn't arranged like we usually do, but if it's OK (I've remember seeing this on some other guide status articles) I'm not going to complain. The "linea 1" and other icons are nonstandard too, but they are nevertheless informative and give color to the article. I'd rather see the consulates in an open list rather than hidden away, we don't hide them in other articles either even in cases where there are many more of them. ϒpsilon (talk) 20:30, 13 July 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Support - Andre's concerns appear to have been addressed. I personally would like the lede to be longer, to sum up the city from the tourist's perspective, but this is relatively minor. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 09:59, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Support. Needs a copyedit (I made a few corrections just now but didn't thoroughly copyedit the whole article), but otherwise looks solid to me. I think I agree with Ypsilon that I'd rather not hide the consulates in this case, but I don't feel strongly about that. —Granger (talk · contribs) 01:33, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[]
  • For the record, I agree with ThunderingTyphoons! that the introduction/lede should be longer. But overall I support because I think, if this was the first WV article someone ever read, they would be impressed. Selfie City (talk) 03:38, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[]


Place: Chicago/Bronzeville
Blurb: African-American history abounds in the "Black Metropolis", where Gwendolyn Brooks published poetry in the Chicago Defender, Andrew Rube Foster created Negro League baseball, and Louis Armstrong kept his trumpet singing at the Sunset Cafe. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Star (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Apr-Oct
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 16:05, 9 April 2017 (UTC)
Comment: Believe it or not, it's time to start thinking about feature articles for 2018. It's been a while since Chicago has graced our Main Page - the most recent feature was Far Northwest Side, which was OtBP way back in 2015. Here's a Star district article that I've had my eye on for a while now.[]

  • Support as nominator. Looks like the most recent substantive edits were in 2013, but it should be a simple matter to confirm the continued existence, opening hours, phone numbers, URLs, etc. of the listed POIs. Aside from that, there's a nice static map that actually appears up to date, containing most or all of the numerous listings, and - of course, this being a Star article, not to mention a Chicago district - the prose is skillfully and engagingly written. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 16:05, 9 April 2017 (UTC)[]
  • Support - Hell yes! I've read through this article before. It's a Star, with all kinds of good information. Like you, I trust that it would be acceptably updated before a feature. Given recent troubles with crime in some black neighborhoods of Chicago, it would be important to add a "Stay safe" section that addresses whether or to what extent Bronzeville has or has not suffered from this (I simply don't know enough about Chicago to know which neighborhoods have been affected). Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:59, 9 April 2017 (UTC)[]
  • As always, listings need to be checked and coordinates would also be useful, nevertheless this is a nice article and I can support it when the aforementioned issues are fixed (no point in updating them right today as it's a full year before we'll see it on the main page). Tangentially we have two Star itineraries in Chicago, Loop Art Tour and Along the Magnificent Mile. I brought them up two years ago and asked if it's OK to feature personal itineraries and consensus was that we should not. However, are these two itineraries "too personal" to be featured as FTT? What do you think? --ϒpsilon (talk) 06:18, 19 July 2017 (UTC)[]
  • Almost, needs some updates. I have just compared this with LP's paper guide to Chicago. We have more see listings -16 against the 8 that LP have. (LP does have w:Roloson Houses and w:State Street Village, which might be worth listing and w:Pilgrim Baptist Church which isn't, and does have a stay safe warning, but no eat, sleep or drink listings). I have updated some of the eat & sleep listings, but quite a bit more is needed - with emphasis on the budget sleep listings. I think that the last sentence of Understand could form the start of Stay safe. Overall I would rather have our article than the LP book if I did venture to Bronzeville. AlasdairW (talk) 22:28, 3 August 2017 (UTC)[]
  • Weak Support. I would say that some sections of the article need much more information, but the pictures, Wikivoyage-style map, decent understand and get in sections, and Chicago/Bronzeville#See make this just about good enough to be a DotM. If some sections of this article were expanded, its nomination would be a very definite yes. Selfie City (talk) 23:52, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Comment. Still needs co-ordinates throughout and longer Eat, Drink and Sleep sections (admittedly the article says the district is a bit short on these, so maybe it's fine). But, more significantly, for somewhere that is supposedly "an excellent spot to shop for African-American-related books and art", the Buy listings are sparse indeed. Yes, there's something in there about a fire, but no indication of when that happened, so no way for the traveller to know if the hoped-for reopenings have taken place. I'm not sure how it got to be a Star either, for these reasons.
Overall, reading the article, and depending on when it was written, one gets the impression Bronzeville is several years past its heyday, but that change is afoot and in a couple of years it will be much improved. So why not wait until it's at its best? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 10:14, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[]
Looking at a old versions of the article it would appear that the fire was probably in 2010 - from 2010 on, for a few years, a "February 25th fire" is mentioned with no year. AlasdairW (talk) 22:39, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[]
Right, so basically the article is hideously out-of-date, in addition to being disappointingly sparse. I oppose this OTBP nomination until it is brought into 2018, rather than 2010. Any Chicagoans on the WV crew? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 22:48, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[]
This is not a reason to oppose the nomination, least of all less than a month before its Main Page tenure is due to start with DotM banners already made. Neither Wikivoyage:City guide status nor Wikivoyage:Guide articles mention anything about a "Buy" section (not even that an article of that level must have one), so even if we were to de-Star this article, it would still be a Guide and thus eligible for featuring. As for out-of-date listings, that's a potential issue with all DotM candidates that is routinely attended to in the days before it's placed in its Main Page slot. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 23:02, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[]
That the article is a long way from being what I would consider complete and may be eight years out of date isn't a reason for it not to feature on our Main page for a month? The 'Buy' section is important because the article claims that one of the best things about visiting Bronzeville is its book and art shops - well where are they? Where are the budget hotels which the Sleep section claims exist?
I'm genuinely sorry to be so late to the vote, but I only chimed in because in the schedule table it says "pending stronger consensus to support", which - no matter what banners have been made - rather implies the vote is still open. The banners which you have so brilliantly made will still be there even if this article doesn't go ahead next month, so their existence alone is not a reason to plunge on with an article which doesn't seem to do its subject justice.
Again, I'm new to this so it may all be perfectly routine, but does the updating of candidate articles typically have to make up for eight lost years? If you can tell me that all these types of problems can be ordinarily fixed in less than a month, then I will gladly revise my vote. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 23:35, 16 August 2018 (UTC)[]
All that needs to be done is to verify that the listed POIs are still open, and update their hours of operation, URLs, and phone numbers. Since a fire at the 47th Street Marketplace was mentioned, it would also be nice to explore whether there might be any worthwhile listings of galleries and bookstores to add to "Buy". In no way is an article obliged to list in its "Buy" section literally every shop located within its geographical bounds, nor every restaurant in "Eat", every hotel in "Sleep" and so forth, so it's literally as simple as that. I'd say it's three days' worth of work at the absolute maximum. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:40, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[]
In which case, I will bow your much greater experience in getting these nominations ready, and will be happy to support an improved version of the article. But I do think budget hotels should be found as well, or if there are none, the paragraph about Bronzeville being a cheap place to stay in the city should be taken out. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 11:47, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[]
No, it really doesn't take much time to check things like this up, especially for articles from a first-world country where practically all attractions and businesses have some type of online presence. And now, a couple of weeks before the article is featured, is the right time to do it. ϒpsilon (talk) 12:59, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[]
About a year ago I went through the sleep listings and deleted a load of cheaper ones which I could find no info about. In some cases streetview showed that there was no hotel at that address, and in one case the "hotel" appeared to be a homeless hostel that a local politician had noted residents complaints about. I didn't find any replacements, although I didn't look hard. I did overlook updating the introduction, as I hoped that other would add replacements. I think that we should add a stay safe section before this district is featured - my impression is that this is a lot more dangerous than a certain district of Brussels that we have been talking about lately. As a starter the text in Chicago/Chatham-South Shore could be used although it may be more dangerous than here see w:Crime in Chicago. Are there any recent crime figures? AlasdairW (talk) 22:07, 17 August 2018 (UTC)[]
I just added the missing coordinates, and hid a Drink listing which seems to have closed. Also, I'm not sure if the chicken shacks listed exist, the chain as a whole doesn't seem to have a website, only one of the "shacks" had a web presence (fb with reviews from 2013!).
Per my comment from last year, I think I can support the article now. But is safety an issue in Bronzeville, as AlasdairW said? In that case, we definitely need to mention this. Is someone here familiar with Chicago? ϒpsilon (talk) 18:21, 23 August 2018 (UTC)[]

Rail travel in GermanyEdit

Place: Rail travel in Germany
Blurb: Germany's railways enjoy a superb reputation abroad, and are often the fastest, most comfortable, and cheapest way around the country. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Any; preferably not December (schedule change)
Nominated by: Hobbitschuster (talk) 20:54, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
Comment: I think some work may need to be done still but this could go live tomorrow without causing me too much headache[]

  • Somehow this nominee fell through the cracks. Good work, Hobbitschuster. Voting support with no reservations. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 14:12, 27 March 2017 (UTC)[]
  • Support. You're on the right track. K7L (talk) 16:17, 27 March 2017 (UTC)[]
  • Comment: Complaining about Deutsche Bahn and comparing it (unfavorably) to railroads in France, Switzerland, Japan or Italy is a particular "hobby" of a large subset of the German population. Meanwhile next to all non-Germans (excluding the Swiss, that is) who have an opinion on DB consider it an excellent transportation choice. The article currently partially reflects the latter but makes no allusions to the former. Is this the right approach or should we give the "Bahn-Nörgler" the light of day? Hobbitschuster (talk) 18:54, 27 March 2017 (UTC)[]
  • I think exactly the kind of statement you just made would be good to put in the article. I'm really busy with professional and personal stuff right now, but I'll have a look through the article when I have sufficient time and mental space. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:17, 27 March 2017 (UTC)[]
  • Support This article is a pretty good one. I don't see any obvious issues with it, having just given it a quick read-through. It has answers to everything a traveler might have questions about (and a few things they might not think to ask, such as the bit about passenger rights). DethDestroyerOfWords (talk) 15:22, 9 May 2017 (UTC)[]
  • Support it's a really good-looking article, at least at a first glance. When the article is about to go live, we maybe need to check that all external links are still alive. ϒpsilon (talk) 15:09, 6 June 2017 (UTC)[]
  • Support on the condition that a good look is taken at it before it goes live. Maybe User:Griffindd and User:Xsobev who have also contributed to this article in the last months want to weigh in as well? Hobbitschuster (talk) 23:08, 20 July 2017 (UTC)[]
  • Comment some fo the night trains and trains that also carry automobiles have since been rerouted, canceled or new ones introduce. This should be checked before the feature goes live. Hobbitschuster (talk) 11:55, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Support. The article looks great. Selfie City (talk) 00:56, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Comment So in addition to the night train thing mentioned above DB announced an overhaul of their ticketing system effective August First. I am not sure I will have the time and wherewithal to fit that into the article, and it obviously shouldn't be featured without that information. Anybody willing to assist me in that task? Hobbitschuster (talk) 11:50, 30 May 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Oppose - unless someone edits in the new fare system (I won't be able to do it, being traveling myself). Yes, I nominated this myself and no, the change to the fare system is not all that major, but not mentioning it while it is featured would let us look badly outdated. Another issue is the night trains mentioned by train number of which some don't exist any more and some new ones have come into being iirc, but that is a minor point compared to the fare rules issue. Hobbitschuster (talk) 14:43, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[]
Question - does assisting you require any prior knowledge of German, Deutsche Bahn or Germany in general? If no to all of those, I might be able to help. --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 19:00, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[]
This is not a reason to oppose a nominee. I am sure that if the fare change is as minor as you say, it will be easy to update the article accordingly, even for someone who doesn't speak German (that's what Google Translate is for). -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 19:06, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[]
The basic gist of the changes is that instead of two different fare types (Flexpreis and Sparpreis) now there are three (Super-Sparpreis, Sparpreis and Flexpreis). There are, as a consequence to this also changes to the City Ticket. I think the general outline of this stuff can be found online, some of it in English, too. Hobbitschuster (talk) 19:12, 13 August 2018 (UTC)[]
Sorry, I have looked at the article and done a few Google searches, looked on DB and Seat 61 (which isn't up-to-date) and it doesn't seem that simple to me. There are all sorts of ticket types listed on the article that aren't the three you listed here, so I think it would be best for someone who knows the system to do it. I appreciate your attempt to make it simple for us here, but rail fares are not simple in any country I've used the train in, never mind when you're looking at pages in a language you don't speak (Google translate is not reliable - yes you can get the gist of meaning, but a travel guide for buying the best ticket requires precision, and ground knowledge). Maybe @Xsobev, Griffindd: could take over? --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 09:00, 14 August 2018 (UTC)[]
I don't have much experience of rail travel in Germany other than local trains, but if the information is available on DB's website and nobody else has time I can certainly translate and add necessary information to the article. ϒpsilon (talk) 09:13, 14 August 2018 (UTC)[]
Griffindd did a lot of work, and I added a bit as well. I wish I would have more time. Xsobev (talk) 16:05, 14 August 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Thanks to the great work of User:Xsobev and User:Griffindd the article now contains the gist of the fare change (fares for local trains haven't changed, and for long distance trains, those are the only three types of ticket of relevance). In short, there is nothing precluding my support although an update of the night train routes mentioned by name would still be nice to have... Hobbitschuster (talk) 17:25, 15 August 2018 (UTC)[]
Thank you User:Xsobev and User:Griffindd. I just realised I haven't voted yet. Support --ThunderingTyphoons! (talk) 18:55, 15 August 2018 (UTC)[]

August 2018Edit

North VancouverEdit

Place: North Vancouver
Blurb: Hit the trails, slopes or water — or just take in the sweeping views — in Vancouver's mountain playground. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Dec-Sept
Nominated by: Dowling002 (talk) 07:16, 18 June 2017 (UTC)
Comment: It has been almost a year since a Canadian city has been nominated and ten years since a city in BC has been nominated. So why not one of the beautiful cities in Canada.[]

  • There was discussion about this guide for DotM at Wikivoyage talk:Destination of the month candidates#Vancouver district articles for Dotm? I'd be happy to support, as the article looks good and I understand from the linked discussion that Shaundd will continue to edit and update the article before it's featured (probably in 2019). Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:34, 18 June 2017 (UTC)[]
  • Support, but is this truly a DotM or would it perhaps work better as an OtBP? -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 17:29, 18 June 2017 (UTC)[]
  • Very close — A couple of listings lack coordinates and there are some things in Do that should be expended a bit (Festivals etc.), also it would be nice with a few photos in the latter half of the article but this can be fixed fairly quickly, I think. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:45, 18 June 2017 (UTC)[]
Looks like it's because of my comment from more than a year ago the article still needs stronger consensus. The article now has coordinates for everything and there are some nice photos also in the latter half of the article, so here's my support vote. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:35, 23 July 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Support -- I still need to refresh/expand a number of sections, and some things will need to be rewritten before featuring as Seabus service is expected to improve and a couple of attractions are moving and being expanded within the next 2-3 years, but I'll make sure that's done as it happens. With respect to DotM/OtBP, I'd say DotM is a better fit because people visit it as part of a trip to a DotM destination (Vancouver), but I'm not fussed either way. Note - I changed the featuring time to Dec-Sept. The fall, particularly Nov, isn't a great time to visit. It's between summer and snow season and the weather is usually awful (rain and more rain). I was also thinking a catchier blurb could be, Take in the views, or hit the trails, slopes or water, in Vancouver's mountain playground. Feel free to ignore/edit as fit. -Shaundd (talk) 01:32, 19 June 2017 (UTC)[]
Shaundd - There's no doubt that Vancouver itself is DotM rather than OtBP (in fact, it was DotM in June 2005, before we started running OtBPs, but if we were to rerun it today it would clearly be the former and not the latter). However, when talking about how to categorize a Huge City district article, the comparison to make is with other districts of the same city. Take Toronto for instance: Canada's own Great White Way, Yonge-Dundas, would clearly be DotM, while the spread-out and suburblike Etobicoke would be OtBP. I have no familiarity with Vancouver, but you obviously do. So, imagine you're a first-time visitor with a workable but limited amount of time to spend there, and think about which districts you'd spend the most time in, and you'll be a long way toward an answer. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 20:41, 19 June 2017 (UTC)[]
Ah OK, thanks for clarifying. On that basis, I'd still lean towards DotM, although it depends on how far you take "limited amount of time". If you only have one day in Vancouver, you're probably not going to spend it in North Vancouver (most people would probably cover two or three of the City Center, West End/Stanley Park, Granville Island and Gastown). After that though, it's fair game for day two or three, I'd say. Two attractions often appear on top XX list of things to see in Vancouver (Grouse Mountain and the Capilano Suspension Bridge) and the Grouse Grind is considered one of the busiest hikes in Metro Vancouver (and it gets tourist traffic too). It's also really easy to get to from the city center -- you just hop on the Seabus and take a 12 minute ferry ride (which plenty of tourists do) -- and the City of North Van is adding a number of attractions that are within a 5 min walk from the Seabus station. I'm not fussed either way, but I'd say many travellers who spend at least three days in Vancouver probably spend some time in North Vancouver. And for what page view stats are worth, North Vancouver is (on a monthly average) second in page views to the City Center. -Shaundd (talk) 02:23, 20 June 2017 (UTC)[]
Definitely a gray area, but based on what you said, I would also lean toward DotM. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 03:43, 20 June 2017 (UTC)[]
  • Support - Looks good to me, and I trust Shaundd and others to edit anything that needs editing. Maybe the exact positions of the start and end of the hiking and mountain biking trails listed in "Do" should be clearly indicated, but otherwise, everything appears to have coordinates. The one thing I noticed that seems weird to me is: Why are the fees for the water slide at the Fun City Festival listed in US dollars and not Canadian dollars? Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:53, 20 February 2018 (UTC)[]
The slide is run by a US company and the only way to purchase tickets is online through their website -- which prices things in USD. If things change for 2018 (they haven't posted details yet), I'll update it.
Does anyone know a guide that handles multiple hiking trails on a dynamic map well? I'm concerned adding markers for trailheads/endpoints is going to further clutter what is already a pretty busy map. If I have time, I'll look at drawing a static map, but that's a big if at this point. -Shaundd (talk) 23:04, 6 April 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Support. It's quite a long article with a lot of useful information about the place. Selfie City (talk) 01:10, 25 May 2018 (UTC)[]


Place: Goroka
Blurb: Colorful performances of traditional music and dance abound in September at this Papua New Guinean town's famous Independence Day sing-sing. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Aug to advertise the Goroka Show in mid-Sep, otherwise perhaps even anytime
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 17:24, 23 November 2017 (UTC)
Comment: Trying to tick one of these off the list. I've been working on the article for a few days, but the OtBP country Papua New Guinea is so fascinating that I've caught myself reading about the country and playing with Google Earth for an hour instead of working on the article :). The article was usable when I found it and I believe everything that can be said about the town is in the article now.[]

  • Support --ϒpsilon (talk) 17:24, 23 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  • Support, it's ready. Ypsilon: as to timing, Aug 2018 is the space I had in mind for Gaspé Peninsula, but in light of our recent conversation about that nominee and the mountain of work I have yet to do on updating the Buffalo district articles for the umpteenth time, I'm going to go ahead and slush Gaspé Peninsula and we can run Goroka in that slot instead. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 18:21, 23 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  • Support - Looks pretty good, though I moved "Goroka Show" from "See" to "Do", as it's standard practice to list viewing concerts or sporting events in the "Do" section, even though of course you're seeing (and/or hearing) something. Ikan Kekek (talk) 07:56, 27 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  • Support. Looks good to me! —Granger (talk · contribs) 13:37, 31 January 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Almost. It could do with more in the "Understand" and "Get in" sections and a little more information throughout. However, it looks well-formatted and with a little more information it would definitely be a good choice for OtBP. Selfie City (talk) 02:01, 5 June 2018 (UTC)[]

Inca TrailEdit

Place: Inca Trail
Blurb: Hike centuries-old paths laid by an ancient Amerindian civilization, past impressive ruins and staggering mountain scenery, all the way to the stone city of Machu Picchu. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: "Weather is best May to September"; though as voyagers are recommended to book tickets and start getting fit a full 6 months ahead, Northern Hemisphere winter is probably best
Nominated by: —Granger (talk · contribs) 13:59, 4 January 2018 (UTC)
Comment: This is a thorough guide to an incredible trek, and I've addressed the issues raised on the talk page. This would also be our first ever feature from Peru![]

  • Support. The article does look good; if you've also addressed the tour operator problem, then I think this is good to put on the main page. --ϒpsilon (talk) 15:18, 4 January 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Not yet.
  • Most of what's in "Understand" — "Acclimatize for at least 2 or 3 days", "Use trekking poles", "Pack appropriately", "Pace yourself", etc. etc. ad nauseam — actually belongs in "Prepare" (and, redundantly, much of it appears to already be there).
  • Also in "Understand" and "Prepare", the non-standard structure of brief snips of text headed up by bold pseudo-section titles needs to be jettisoned in favor of the standard paragraphs of prose we use here.
  • By comparison with the extensive information in the sections preceding it, "Go" — supposedly the meat of the article — seems almost like an afterthought. Interesting-sounding sets of ruins along the trail — Huillca Raccay, Sayacmarka, even Machu Picchu itself — are name-checked but barely (or not at all) described. Remind me again why I'm walking this trail?
  • The "Theft" subsection of "Stay safe" is another section that needs to be converted from its current weird non-standard structure to the prose format we normally use.
-- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 17:26, 19 January 2018 (UTC)[]
I've edited the article to try to address these issues. The "Go" section is still on the short side, but I think that's because this is an unusual itinerary: the trail is always done with a guide, so preparation and planning are much more important than details about the route, and the point of going on the Inca Trail is more the overall experience rather than the specific ruins you see on days 1 and 3. Still, I've expanded the "Go" section with more information about the ruins. What do you think? —Granger (talk · contribs) 20:35, 17 February 2018 (UTC)[]
Regarding "the trail is always done with a guide, so preparation and planning are much more important than details about the route", I always picture the prototypical Wikivoyage reader as someone who's trying to decide where to go, at least within the parameters of some particular broad region, rather than someone who's trying to decide what to do when they get to a place they've already decided to go. For the latter category of traveller, the extensive preparation and planning information would be sufficient; for the former, we go back to my earlier question of why choose this trek out of all the possible ones within one's geographic area of interest? I notice you've expanded the "Go" section, and having no expertise of my own on the region, I have no reason to disbelieve you when you say the point of the trail is the trail itself rather than the ruins along the way. I just have trouble wrapping my head around the idea of an itinerary with such a short "Go" section. I'm going to have to think about this for a while before choosing "support" or "still not yet". -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 21:13, 21 February 2018 (UTC)[]
I agree that it's important for Wikivoyage to be useful for readers who are deciding where to go, and I think there's a good amount of information in the lead, "Understand", and "Go" sections for those readers. But I'll try to think of more information of this kind to add.
As for the length of the "Go" section, I don't really think it makes sense to judge this article by comparing the length of its "Go" section to the length of most other itineraries' "Go" sections. A lot of other "Go" sections have detailed directions, logistical information, or large numbers of destinations, which wouldn't make sense in the "Go" section in this article. —Granger (talk · contribs) 21:25, 26 February 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Almost I think that the "Go" section could be expended a little, but the main omission is any mention of distance. I think that the introduction should say that it is a 26 mile / 45 kn trek - check these figures which I got from one of the tour operator's wwebsite. If there are any established ways of expressing te sea level equivalent distance that could also be added. AlasdairW (talk) 23:25, 21 February 2018 (UTC)[]
Good point about the distance—I've added that to the "Understand" section. —Granger (talk · contribs) 21:25, 26 February 2018 (UTC
Thanks for the edits. I now support it. AlasdairW (talk) 22:44, 26 February 2018 (UTC)[]
Okay, I'm satisfied with the fixes, and certainly don't want to stand in the way of a four-vote quorum here. Support. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 23:45, 28 February 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Support. I haven't read through the article, but I've scanned down the page. It looks about as complete as could be and I think it should be a Featured Travel Topic in the future. Selfie City (talk) 04:09, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[]

July 2018Edit


Place: Wales
Blurb: Witness a living Celtic culture in a land of wet, green landscapes, historic castles, and spectacular mountains and coasts. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: May-Sep
Nominated by: Traveler100 (talk) 21:34, 25 May 2017 (UTC)
Comment: Time to feature a country.[]

  • Not yet. Everything up through "Talk" is great, but after that point - especially in "See" and "Do" - things get too list-y for a country article. The bullet points in "See", "Eat", "Drink", and (especially) "Do" should be converted to prose, with listings migrated to articles further down the breadcrumb hierarchy where necessary. The blurbs in "Go next" also could stand to be expanded. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 14:28, 27 May 2017 (UTC)[]
  • Should the events list stay as bullet points? Any suggestions on how to structure this and the Eat section? --Traveler100 (talk) 07:12, 31 May 2017 (UTC)[]
  • Support. It looks like the lists have mostly been converted to prose. Seems like a solid article to me. —Granger (talk · contribs) 13:50, 21 February 2018 (UTC)[]
  • I see Traveler100 directed a question to me almost a year ago that I've yet to answer; sorry about that. The event listings should be moved to their respective bottom-level destinations if they're not there already, and Wales#Events should be an overview in prose of the most important ones. As for the "Eat" section, it looks okay to me, though again, I personally have a mild preference for sentences and paragraphs in favor of bullet-point lists. At this point I'm very close to being able to change my vote to Support. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 21:02, 21 February 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Almost. it is a good article, and it would be good to feature a nation. However I think that there are a few points that could be looked at:
    • Only 3 cities are listed, but there are 6 cities in Wales. I think that we should add an introductory sentence: "There are six cities in Wales, including St Asaph, Newport, St Davids and:"
    • Talk is only about Welsh. Are there no phrases, words etc in English that are worth mentioning?
    • The list of events would be improved if the month or approximate date was added to most of the listings. This means that those planning a trip only look into events that might be on when they are there. AlasdairW (talk) 23:31, 21 February 2018 (UTC)[]
Again, there should actually be no event listings at all. See my comment above. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 23:37, 21 February 2018 (UTC)[]
I am not too bothered about whether the events are a (shorter) list or an "overview in prose", but when needs to be mentioned. The details belong in the city articles. AlasdairW (talk) 00:16, 22 February 2018 (UTC)[]
I have restructured the section and updated the details on the city articles. --Traveler100 (talk) 11:53, 24 February 2018 (UTC)[]
Thanks for the edits. I now support it. AlasdairW (talk) 22:39, 26 February 2018 (UTC)[]
I also am changing my vote to support. Good work, Traveler100. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:35, 27 February 2018 (UTC)[]
Shall we also assume that Traveler100 himself votes "Support"? If so, that's four stamps of approval and we can remove the "pending stronger consensus" caveat from the schedule grid. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 00:36, 27 February 2018 (UTC)[]
To my understanding nominating an article means supporting it unless you've specifically indicated otherwise. ϒpsilon (talk) 05:59, 27 February 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Support Apparently I haven't voted on this one yet, but it looks good. If all the articles below it in the hierarchy also have a sufficient status I'd say it's ready. --ϒpsilon (talk) 05:59, 27 February 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Support. Decent article. Selfie City (talk) 02:19, 5 June 2018 (UTC)[]


Place: Höfn
Blurb: This small town in southeast Iceland is known for two things: one of the region's most important lobster fisheries, and the mighty Vatnajökull icecap on its doorstep. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: probably Jun-Aug
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 18:33, 6 September 2017 (UTC)
Comment: What can I say, a nice little Guide article which I just added coordinates to and removed dead listings from. It's at least nine months before it goes on the Main Page and closer to that time we can update those bus hours.[]

  • Support per nomination.ϒpsilon (talk) 18:33, 6 September 2017 (UTC)[]
  • Support. Höfn is IMO perfectly featureable as is, however I'm noticing room for improvement in the "Buy" section: the article says "The arts and crafts scene is very active in Höfn and some good souvenir shopping is possible if you keep your eyes open" and "a few artists have workshops and galleries in Mikligarður, an old building by the harbor" yet none of these places have listings. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 18:38, 17 September 2017 (UTC)[]
  • Almost. Overall, looks like a pretty good article. The "By plane" section currently says "The airport is some distance outside the Höfn, so you'll have to figure out a way to get into town." Can we give our readers a little more help than that? (Are there rental cars, can you call the sole taxi from the airport, do the buses stop there, is it feasible to walk, might locals be willing to give you a ride?) I think it would be good to give at least one suggestion for how to get into town from the airport. —Granger (talk · contribs) 13:10, 22 October 2017 (UTC)[]
  • Support. I was there 6 years ago. I read through the article and don't believe anything major is missing. Regarding User:Mx. Granger's comment about getting from the airport to the town, there isn't any other way except driving. The only suggestion I would make is to explicitly write that out rather than leaving the readers to figure out on their own. OhanaUnited (talk) 05:00, 31 January 2018 (UTC)[]
    @OhanaUnited: Thanks. I did a bit more research and found that rental cars seem to be available too. Having added that information, I'll change my vote to support. —Granger (talk · contribs) 13:22, 31 January 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Support. I quite like the look of this article because all the basic parts are there, but it would be excellent if there was expansion in some sections. Selfie City (talk) 23:54, 24 May 2018 (UTC)[]

Underground RailroadEdit

Place: Underground Railroad
Blurb: This secretive network of escape routes and safe houses for 19th-century slaves seeking freedom in Canada is an integral element of African-American history. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Mar-Sep
Nominated by: Yvwv (talk) 16:11, 3 November 2017 (UTC)
Comment: Describes historical context, and each destination along two routes.[]

  • Support. I haven't looked through all the listings with a fine-toothed comb, but the article looks very informative. Ikan Kekek (talk) 19:04, 3 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  • Support. This article is also representative of Wikivoyage's best work. Ibaman (talk) 19:14, 3 November 2017 (UTC)[]
Which month would be most appropriate? Are there any memorial dates? Or should we go for the best weather? /Yvwv (talk) 19:19, 3 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  • This article covers a worthy topic and is well on its way to being featureable, but for the moment, not yet. Many of the listings in the "Go" section need to be expanded (especially in the "Tubman's Pennsylvania, Auburn and Niagara Railroad" subsection, which also contains an ugly bullet-point list that needs to be converted to prose and fleshed out with more context). In addition, there's some copyediting and mos-ifying that needs to be done (including some old-school, footnote-style external links that need to be converted to the inline style), and "Go next" and "See also" should have one-line listings explaining the connection.
As for the question of when to feature, there's not one large unified national commemoration to coincide the feature with, though many individual cities along the route have their own at various times throughout the year. I think it's best to default to the time of year with the best weather, which in this region of the U.S. would be March-September (October would be pushing the envelope, especially since FTTs don't go on the Main Page until the 21st of the month. There's liable to be snow on the ground by that time in the northern reaches of the route.)
-- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 20:19, 3 November 2017 (UTC)[]
Also, just for the record, this nominee has taken the last available slot in 2018 for U.S.-related articles. Any future nominees will need to wait till 2019. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 20:23, 3 November 2017 (UTC)[]
February is Black History Month, but I agree that there's no reason to tokenize an article about such an important part of American history into the shortest month of the year that has been uniquely awarded to black history. And February is cold and can be snowy in many places covered in this topic, so I agree with a spring-to-fall timeline for best month to feature. Ikan Kekek (talk) 20:45, 3 November 2017 (UTC)[]
Actually, given that Black History Month spans the month of February, if the article is featured for that month it should go on the Main Page on January 21st (if we'd run it in February's slot, there would be just a week left of the month), and as such it would be featured for 31 days.
But I agree with what has been said about the weather. Unless there are notable events happening at the monuments and museums in February, we should rather run the article in March-September. ϒpsilon (talk) 13:53, 21 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  • Almost. The list of bullet points in "Tubman's Pennsylvania, Auburn and Niagara Railroad" needs to be turned into at least markers if not listings. Also, the lead section only consists of one sentence. ϒpsilon (talk) 18:52, 4 November 2017 (UTC)[]
  • The article is usable but not complete. By definition, it may never be complete, but at a minimum we should cover any of the "what links here" points in Talk:Underground Railroad#Existing articles which mention the Underground Railroad or list UGRR sites where a destination article has listings we can use here. That would most likely mean expanding the existing "two rail lines" to three or four by adding one along the Atlantic seaboard to Halifax and another through Illinois/Indiana to the Great Lakes. K7L (talk) 18:11, 23 November 2017 (UTC)[]
Four months before it's scheduled to go on the Main Page, Underground Railroad now has two "support" votes (or three, if nominating an article is counted as a "support" vote), but one "not yet", one "almost" and even one comment saying that the aricle isn't even a guide yet. Andre's and my votes mostly point out mos issues, things that pretty much anyone can fix.
However K7L (who per the history is a major contributor to the article and hence presumably knows a thing or two about the railroad) mentions that there are two "rail lines" still missing (or even more?) and that the article is not complete but only usable. As I understand it we can't feature the article in its current state.
So how should we proceed? ϒpsilon (talk) 10:49, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[]
One person's outlier opinion that the article is not truly a Guide does not amount to a consensus, so I think we can dispense with that part of your concern. As for the rest, there's still a good bit of work to be done with this article, but then again four months is a good bit of time in which to do it. I don't think we're yet at the crossroads that you fear we are. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 14:16, 20 March 2018 (UTC)[]
At this point, I'd be willing to support this nomination; although there are still a few holes left to fill and the article could use better illustration, the most severe issues appear to have been addressed. K7L (talk) 15:55, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Comment In the last section in the "Then" part, what is the last line "it's coverage, while national, was uneven" supposed to mean? It reads better without that line. Delete? Also in the "Now" section, the line "While an ordinary degree of caution remains advisable on this journey" sounds kind of terrifying. It makes it sound as if the Underground Railroad is still treacherous to travel... The surrounding text does try to clarify, but that line is still really odd. No one will be harmed or in danger if they tour these sites or if they reveal to someone that they're doing a tour of Underground Railroad sites any more than if they said they were touring "Little House on the Prairie" sites, right?
Concerning the above concerns: It could be an outlier opinion but it's also possible those who support are ignorant of the topic. We should be looking at the critique for its validity not going strictly by numbers. It seems to me, we should at least consider: How much of the railroad is still left out? And then: How important are those sections of the road either historically or in terms of modern remnants that can be visited? My personal inclination is that the article looks good enough to feature (with the other routes being worthy requirements for star status) but I do not know the topic well enough to make any meaningful judgments about the routes or which have the best modern remnants. ChubbyWimbus (talk) 12:19, 11 May 2018 (UTC)[]
At this point, I see two gaps of sparse coverage (one between Reading PA and Syracuse NY, one between Boston MA and Halifax NS) which need to be filled to take this from "usable" to "guide".
By definition, we'll never find and document every possible route the fugitive slaves might have taken - and this is likely by design. There were many/multiple undocumented parallel routes with little to indicate they ever existed, that's the whole point of being "underground" and clandestine. The average 'station' on the Underground Railroad is merely an old house which looks like every other old house of the 1850's era. The depiction of four possible example routes (across IL from MO, across OH from KY, across PA/NY from DE, up the Atlantic seaboard to NB/NS) is an arbitrary choice, but if even these depicted itinerary choices contain obvious gaps (little or nothing after Reading PA until Auburn NY, little or nothing between Boston and Halifax) those gaps should be filled before promoting the article from "usable" to "guide" status. NYS has plenty of sites which aren't in the article which could fill some gaps, for example. There may also be portions of the historic context which need to be expanded.
The comment "it's coverage, while national, was uneven" refers to the Negro Motorist Green Book, a printed directory of businesses willing to serve the negro voyager in the "Jim Crow" days before the civil rights legislation of the 1960's. The directory was a list of hotels and businesses which were safe to visit, sorted by province/state then individual city. Some US states had many listings; others were so sparse as to be little more than what we'd call an outline. In some communities (such as 'sundown towns') there might have been no safe lodging for a person of colour to stay the night. In this respect, yes, coverage was very uneven. If the historic context isn't clear, by all means spell it out, but let's not revise history to claim this never happened? K7L (talk) 14:41, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Support. This article seems fine, except for some of the pictures and the maps, which do not have the quality that may be needed for a Featured Travel Topic. I haven't read through the article, but there is definitely plenty of content in this itinerary. Selfie City (talk) 02:32, 23 May 2018 (UTC)[]
Also, I want to state that I think the Black History Month timing is a neat idea, but the weather, even in a lot of the south, makes that impossible. At the same, I wouldn't recommend the summer either because the South would be pretty hot and humid. It seems to me that either May, September, or October would be good months for it. Selfie City (talk) 03:11, 6 June 2018 (UTC)[]
The South? This article is about escape routes to flee to Canada. Summer is high season, and the proposed timeslot is reasonable as the anniversary of slavery being abolished Empire-wide happens to fall on August 1. I shall be no one's slave any more, I shall be free. K7L (talk) 03:32, 6 June 2018 (UTC)[]
But wasn't the Underground Railroad a way for African-Americans to escape the South as well as providing a route to Canada? I mean, isn't at least some of the railroad in the South? Selfie City (talk) 03:52, 6 June 2018 (UTC)[]
True, but there was relatively little aid available to freedom seekers until they managed to get out of the backwaters of the Confederacy - maybe by stowing away on a train or a ship, maybe by attempting to flee north under their own power. A ship's master may have "looked the other way" and allowed fugitives aboard, although this was not without risk. The southern locals were, for the most part, not helpful to fugitives - a likely reason why many violent or destructive local slave revolts were easily crushed. There were a few cases where conductors or agents of the Underground Railroad crossed from the north into slave states just long enough to bring passengers back, but the risks were substantial. It might be possible to add a couple of sites where a museum or an old plantation tells part of the backstory in the South, but the bulk of the listings are going to be for states which had already abolished slavery locally and were sending the fugitives north as an act of conscience, religion or political protest. That leaves this running in high season in Upper Canada, Ohio, NYS and PA because those jurisdictions (and the "northeast" in general) held most of the sites. K7L (talk) 15:06, 6 June 2018 (UTC)[]
  • Comment. I actually have a question about this. I assumed that this article was about the slavery era, but what time period is this itinerary really supposed to represent? Selfie City (talk) 14:30, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[]
The Underground Railroad represents the antebellum era before the US Civil War. While the August 1, 1843 abolition of slavery in the British Empire is one commemorated date, Underground Railroad travel became most widespread after enactment of the Fugitive Slave Act of 1850 (which allowed American slavecatchers to pursue fugitives into nominally free states, forcing slaves to flee to Canada) and ended with the outbreak of civil war in 1861. K7L (talk) 15:55, 7 June 2018 (UTC)[]
  • With the recent expansion of this article, I'm ready to upgrade my vote to weak support. It needs some minor formatting and copyediting work but is otherwise good to go. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 14:50, 16 June 2018 (UTC)[]
On the blurb: I'd like it to say 19th-century American slaves, not just 19th-century slaves. Are we all OK with that? -- Ikan Kekek (talk) 03:27, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[]
But doesn't the bit about "an integral element of African-American history" (note italics) already make that point clear? -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 12:45, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[]
  • The things I complained about before are fixed, so I support the article for FTT now. --ϒpsilon (talk) 12:49, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[]
  • In response to the discussion started a few days ago by AndreCarrotflower, I think we should use "19th-century American slaves" for clarity. Selfie City (talk) 16:35, 21 June 2018 (UTC)[]
  • The aforementioned "minor formatting and copyediting work" (which, in typical AndreCarrotflower style, ended up ballooning into something not so minor) has been completed and I'm upgrading my vote to full support. Thanks go out to Ypsilon and K7L for their help. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 19:02, 19 July 2018 (UTC)[]

June 2018Edit


Place: Boston
Blurb: John Winthrop's "city on a hill" is among the most historic in the U.S., packed with sites dating back to Colonial days. But it's also a vibrant modern metropolis, with a progressive college-town culture much at odds with the old Puritan stodginess. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Apr-Oct
Nominated by: AndreCarrotflower (talk) 22:06, 2 March 2017 (UTC)
Comment: By now, ButteBag is probably sick of hearing me congratulate him about the fine work he's done on the Boston district articles, so I hope he'll indulge me one last time as I repeat that his work is rapidly elevating Boston to the same elite tier as Chicago, Washington, D.C., and San Francisco when it comes to superlative Wikivoyage coverage. There was recently a discussion regarding featuring Boston/Jamaica Plain-Mission Hill as DotM or OtBP wherein I suggested we "hold out and feature Boston itself rather than one of its districts", and now that all the district articles have attained at least Usable status, I've decided to go ahead and put this nomination up for consideration. I'm pretty sure ButteBag's response is going to be that he's not satisfied with the state of some of the district articles - I think I heard him mention that before - but given the fact that they all continue to develop at an admirable pace, and Boston won't be featured on the Main Page until next year at the earliest anyway, that leaves ample time for him to get them up to snuff.[]

  • Support as nominator. -- AndreCarrotflower (talk) 22:06, 2 March 2017 (UTC)[]
  • Support I am also very handsome and intelligent. (And trying to keep this updated going forward, thanks AndreCarrotflower!) --ButteBag (talk) 22:14, 2 March 2017 (UTC)[]
  • Conditional support User:ButteBag has really done superb work here, but as he (assuming he, please correct if wrong) has pointed out, there are some things that could still be improved. In the main article this mostly seems to be the history and the public transit sections, which do contain some old content as per (though history does not become outdated all that fast). All in all, I think we'll have a fine article by the time this goes live some time from now Hobbitschuster (talk) 23:48, 2 March 2017 (UTC)[]
  • Support without even skipping through the article tonight. I have confidence in ButteBag. Ikan Kekek (talk) 05:20, 3 May 2017 (UTC)[]
  • Support since the article itself looks ready on quick perusal & there will be time for district improvements.
I wonder, though, if the nomination should be broadened to Greater Boston since that would include Cambridge (Massachusetts) which for me is the main place to go in the area, mostly for the MIT bookstore & the pubs. Or perhaps Cambridge might be another nomination? Pashley (talk) 16:44, 9 July 2017 (UTC)[]
Late reply: The Greater Boston article is an Outline. However, the Cambridge (Massachusetts) article is a Guide with plenty of content, and therefore very much a potential DotM at some future point. Ikan Kekek (talk) 08:14, 20 February 2018 (UTC)[]

Piton de la FournaiseEdit

Place: Piton de la Fournaise
Blurb: The "hottest" attraction on the island of Réunion offers exciting outdoor experiences whether or not there's an eruption in progress. (should not exceed ~145 characters)
Article status: Guide (must be guide or above).
Time to feature: Jun 2018? Otherwise May-Oct
Nominated by: ϒpsilon (talk) 20:38, 16 December 2017 (UTC)
Comment: June's OtBP candidate Yuryev-Polsky does have a couple of issues and might have been nominated as an emergency measure to prevent us from having a ? on the schedule in a few days when June's slots show up. But how about running this one instead, which I just translated from German (their article was OtBP in Aug 2013) and French. Not only would it cover one more of our unfeatured regions (East African Islands), but we would also not have European OtBPs for four months straight from April to July, like it looks like we'd otherwise have.[]